Stay away from them Sovereign Citizens.

[osoab]

If you argue with them, they will probably shoot you.

They will shoot you like that deputy, but he wasn't actually killed by a so-called Sovereign Citizen.

I think Capt. Hicks has an intellect level about the size of the tip of my pinky toe.

http://www.ksat.com/video/28190779/index.html

So what is the angle here?

A quick clip on the evening news to make the association that S.C. is going to shoot you no matter what?

Just reinforcing the association?

[iOWNme]

Hicks said "Our MAIN CONCERN is the safety of our Officers...."

He is admitting that the lives of his Officers are infinitely more important than the lives and property of the people. You know, the one's they have sworn an oath to protect.


Then he goes into the whole spiel...."They think the 14th Amendment tricked them into US citizenship, which requires Drivers License and other hidden contracts."

Notice they dont even attempt to debunk this, BECAUSE IT IS FACT. Not even a wimper about them being wrong in their opinions.


They are going to use the Kane's FOREVER as an example of 'Domestic Terrorism' or 'Soveriegn Citizen'.


When a SWAT team kicks a door down and murders the occupants of said domicile, WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?
When Kops use torture on Americans via Tazer's to subdue 'suspects' (who are innocent until proven guilty), WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?
When Kops lie, plant evidence, and use coercion to 'stop crime', WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?



CASE CLOSED.

[SirCruz]

Hicks said "Our MAIN CONCERN is the safety of our Officers...."

He is admitting that the lives of his Officers are infinitely more important than the lives and property of the people. You know, the one's they have sworn an oath to protect.


Then he goes into the whole spiel...."They think the 14th Amendment tricked them into US citizenship, which requires Drivers License and other hidden contracts."

Notice they dont even attempt to debunk this, BECAUSE IT IS FACT. Not even a wimper about them being wrong in their opinions.


They are going to use the Kane's FOREVER as an example of 'Domestic Terrorism' or 'Soveriegn Citizen'.


When a SWAT team kicks a door down and murders the occupants of said domicile, WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?
When Kops use torture on Americans via Tazer's to subdue 'suspects' (who are innocent until proven guilty), WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?
When Kops lie, plant evidence, and use coercion to 'stop crime', WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?



CASE CLOSED.

I agree!! The Police are the largest organized Terrorist group in the UNITED STATES!...They are also full of psychopaths!

[mrnhtbr2232]

Hicks said "Our MAIN CONCERN is the safety of our Officers...."

He is admitting that the lives of his Officers are infinitely more important than the lives and property of the people. You know, the one's they have sworn an oath to protect.


Then he goes into the whole spiel...."They think the 14th Amendment tricked them into US citizenship, which requires Drivers License and other hidden contracts."

Notice they dont even attempt to debunk this, BECAUSE IT IS FACT. Not even a wimper about them being wrong in their opinions.


They are going to use the Kane's FOREVER as an example of 'Domestic Terrorism' or 'Soveriegn Citizen'.


When a SWAT team kicks a door down and murders the occupants of said domicile, WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?
When Kops use torture on Americans via Tazer's to subdue 'suspects' (who are innocent until proven guilty), WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?
When Kops lie, plant evidence, and use coercion to 'stop crime', WHO IS ACTING LIKE A TERRORIST?



CASE CLOSED.

The psychology of law enforcement is actually quite limited. Those that expect independent thought will be disappointed at the power of fraternal association and the behavior that comes with it. Modern police are seduced by the same security theater that we witness on a daily basis. Look at the pageantry of a police funeral for instance - hundreds of squad cars, motorcycles, officers in dress blues, and a litany of platitudes to reinforce the myth they are heroes. No accountability for the expense of the whole production yet they cry poor at their lack of capital in their budgets because they operate in another world of reality.

In a case where they must choose their brotherhood over an individual it's a foregone conclusion they will always side with their own with a pack mentality. Might makes right has long since replaced granular examination on a case-by-case basis. I would imagine a SC represents the fringe of what they expect to deal with - not only challenging existing law but insisting the police demonstrate accountability about the law. And this is where the whole thing falls apart, because their entire mindset is about enforcement and has nothing to do with what's right and wrong or codified or legally beyond the scope of their own perceptions.

[Twisted Titan]

that is why you don't try to use semantics with them...... as they have the. collective IQ of dog stained fire hydrants...... it will do nothing but infuriate them .

which is the last thing that you want...... best to avoid them in every possible way shape and form


trouble and death follow them

[Book]

that is why you don't try to use semantics with them...



Common knowledge that cops are full of anti-semantic hate.

:cool:

[palani]

If you argue with them, they will probably shoot you.

After due consideration on the matter my conclusion is that policymen actually ARE sovereign citizens. I know of no other group or groups the act as if they fit the attributes they assign to the classification.

1) if you appear to be winning an argument they shoot you
2) if you ignore them they shoot you
3) if you offer them a donut they shoot you
4) if you refuse to be identified with the class of critter they are assigned to protect they shoot you

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

The psychology of law enforcement is actually quite limited. Those that expect independent thought will be disappointed at the power of fraternal association and the behavior that comes with it. Modern police are seduced by the same security theater that we witness on a daily basis. Look at the pageantry of a police funeral for instance - hundreds of squad cars, motorcycles, officers in dress blues, and a litany of platitudes to reinforce the myth they are heroes. No accountability for the expense of the whole production yet they cry poor at their lack of capital in their budgets because they operate in another world of reality.

In a case where they must choose their brotherhood over an individual it's a foregone conclusion they will always side with their own with a pack mentality. Might makes right has long since replaced granular examination on a case-by-case basis. I would imagine a SC represents the fringe of what they expect to deal with - not only challenging existing law but insisting the police demonstrate accountability about the law. And this is where the whole thing falls apart, because their entire mindset is about enforcement and has nothing to do with what's right and wrong or codified or legally beyond the scope of their own perceptions.


That was a most excellent post mrn...

[midnight rambler]

The 14th Amendment is flat out fraudulent - it does not exist in law - see Dyett v. Turner, Utah Supreme Court 1968 (it does not get more authoritative than that). IF the 14th Amendment did actually exist it would abrogate the entire Constitution for the US of A. To believe that the fraudulent 14th Amendment has any effect amounts to a belief system, as in a religion. Those who foist such a belief system based entirely upon fraud upon others are promoting the "establishment of (a state) religion".

The irony here is that the proponents of the fraudulent 14th Amendment are the TRUE 'anti-government' types as they are the ones who wish to destroy the Constitution (and therefore the Republic) via the fraud of the 14th Amendment.

People need to learn to 'just say no' to this false belief system rather than going along to get along.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of liberty, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." --Thomas Paine

[Ares]

The 14th Amendment is flat out fraudulent - it does not exist in law - see Dyett v. Turner, Utah Supreme Court 1968 (it does not get more authoritative than that). IF the 14th Amendment did actually exist it would abrogate the entire Constitution for the US of A. To believe that the fraudulent 14th Amendment has any effect amounts to a belief system, as in a religion. Those who foist such a belief system based entirely upon fraud upon others are promoting the "establishment of (a state) religion".

The irony here is that the proponents of the fraudulent 14th Amendment are the TRUE 'anti-government' types as they are the ones who wish to destroy the Constitution (and therefore the Republic) via the fraud of the 14th Amendment.

People need to learn to 'just say no' to this false belief system rather than going along to get along.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of liberty, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." --Thomas Paine

Thanks for referencing that court case, I went and downloaded the judges briefing from scribe. Very interesting

[willie pete]

I took this from another forum, one in which I was "debating" with another "member" who happens to be a cop, a CHP Sgt., the subject was this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9llvTQn8v-c

Here's this member's response to my post about what appears to be Excessive force by the police in the video, while he does acknowledge it was a terrible and tradgic outcome, he defends MORE the point that the cop Was in the right, and those that reviewed the cops actions agreed is WASN'T a use of excessive force, the point I was trying to make with this member was the AMOUNT of Force used, couldn't get through though, the comment in his post that REALLY stuck in my mind was: "remember, the cops are not there to play fair, they're there to win"
...remember this IS coming from a cop....

Member's Response:
"I am reminded of a great video by Chris Rock about how NOT to get beat by the police. The best advice from it might be this gem: "If the police have to come and get you, they're bringing an ass kickin' with them."
NOW TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE PREMEDITATION

In this case, one can argue whether the impact was excessive or not. Apparently the DA and the agency did not think so. And when you have just been chasing after someone who might have just been involved in a robbery, you are not necessarily going to want to tangle toe-to-toe with the guy (who might be armed). You are going to put him down or take him out if you can. And, if you are tired after chasing after the suspected felon, you are not going to run the risk that you might end up on the losing end of the ensuing marquis-of-Queensbury rules 9and maybe dead), you are going to take appropriate action to prevail.

Remember, the cops are not there to play fair. They are there to win ... within the law. No one says that I have to give a guy an even break, only that I am cognizant of his rights. That might mean cold cocking him.
THAT WAS VERY REVEALING TO ME,THAT COPS REALLY DO HAVE THE "BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM MENTALITY"

This was tragic, to be certain. But, to make a judgment on only one snippet of film without any context is just wrong. Apparently those that had the ability to weigh the context have concluded that the action was within policy and lawful. "

[osoab]

wp, great post.

[Twisted Titan]

the cops are not there to play fair, they're there to win"


I can personally atest to this is the Gods honest Truth.....

[willie pete]

Yea, I'm not sure if it's because maybe some of the members are lawyers, but that hate me...lol .....every post I put up, they attack the shit out of me. In responding to this video, not a one of them took my side of the argument, none of them, they were all on the cops side and you'd think that it being a "law/legal" forum, they'd lean toward someones Constitutional Rights and civil liberties, but it's actually the opposite, in fact one of them was attacking me because it was my impression, excessive force was used against this suspect, the KEY IS THIS (and they ALL honed-in on it) the guy ran and didn't stop until like a block or so, even though I pointed out, when he stopped, he was in a "defensive" posture (seeing someone running at you full speed that outweighs you by 80-90 lbs, it's ashame it couldn't have side-stepped and let the cop hit the wall and suffer Permanant brain damage...lol)...well that's what you get with a bunch of obammy liberals...lol

[Hatha Sunahara]

The Sovereign Citizens are the people who took the red pill. If you live outside the dominant paradigm, it will not stop asserting itself upon you. Taking the red pill means escaping from slavery. Our owners don't want us escaping. If we're not useful to them, we're better off dead. That's the job of the police.


Hatha

[dys]

The psychology of law enforcement is actually quite limited. Those that expect independent thought will be disappointed at the power of fraternal association and the behavior that comes with it. Modern police are seduced by the same security theater that we witness on a daily basis. Look at the pageantry of a police funeral for instance - hundreds of squad cars, motorcycles, officers in dress blues, and a litany of platitudes to reinforce the myth they are heroes. No accountability for the expense of the whole production yet they cry poor at their lack of capital in their budgets because they operate in another world of reality.

In a case where they must choose their brotherhood over an individual it's a foregone conclusion they will always side with their own with a pack mentality. Might makes right has long since replaced granular examination on a case-by-case basis. I would imagine a SC represents the fringe of what they expect to deal with - not only challenging existing law but insisting the police demonstrate accountability about the law. And this is where the whole thing falls apart, because their entire mindset is about enforcement and has nothing to do with what's right and wrong or codified or legally beyond the scope of their own perceptions.

A hallmark of the distorted personality is a reaction of rage towards anyone that tries to hold the individual rightfully accountable for wrong actions.

dys