Dead Sea Scrolls prove Bible unoriginal

[Celtic Rogue]

http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/280-dead-sea-scrolls-prove-bible-unoriginal.html

"They speak of a Teacher of Righteousness and a pierced messiah, of cleansing through water and a battle of light against darkness.

"But anyone looking to the Dead Sea Scrolls in search of proof, say, that Jesus of Nazareth was the messiah presaged by the prophets, or that John the Baptist lived among the scroll's authors, will be disappointed."
News items are circulating about how "hints" and "insights" contained in the famous Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in caves near the ancient site of Qumran can be found in the Bible. In other words, certain ideas in the scrolls also appear in the New Testament, meaning, of course, that the impression of Christianity as a "divine revelation" appearing whole cloth miraculously from the very finger of God is clearly erroneous.
Few scholars today claim that any of the Dead Sea Scrolls ("DSS") date to the time after Christianity was allegedly founded by a "historical" Jesus in the first century of the common era. Indeed, it is agreed that most of the scrolls pre-date the turn of the era and that none of them show any knowledge of Jesus Christ or Christianity.
In my book The Christ Conspiracy (http://www.truthbeknown.com/christ.htm), I demonstrate that Christianity is an amalgam of the many religions, sects, cults and brotherhood traditions of the Mediterranean and beyond. One of the major influences on Christianity is that of Jews, obviously, including those mentioned in the New Testament, i.e., the Pharisees and Sadducees. Ancient Jewish historian Josephus also mentions the sect of the Essenes, who are traditionally associated with Qumran, in a "by default" argument. However, scholar Solomon Schecter - who discovered a scroll at Cairo that was later found at Qumran - points to a heretical sect of Sadducees or Zadokites, as they are called in both the Bible and DSS. In The Christ Conspiracy, I discuss this Zadokite origin of the DSS and this group's obvious influence on the New Testament.
What this rumination all means, of course, is that Christianity is, as I contend in my books, largely unoriginal, representing not fresh and new "divine revelation" but, again, the amalgamation of not only the ideas of the Zadokite authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls but also influences from the Essenes, Jews, Samaritans and many others.


http://freethoughtnation.com/contributing-writers/63-acharya-s/280-dead-sea-scrolls-prove-bible-unoriginal.html

[ShortJohnSilver]

IF it is so "unoriginal" why did it then win out against all the other "unoriginal" religious variations?

Christianity and the West (at least) are intertwined... and I am not sure that Solomon Schecter is exactly unbiased.

[Shami-Amourae]

They could just cut out the middleman and just worship the sun.

[Ponce]

The Bible is nothing more than the old........ all in one......the Jews made it into one.....and I am still thinking about this.

As far as I know that's all that they have done because in the Arab world, and specially in Palestine, no one has ever found any evidence of them being there........but for the things that they themselves fabricated.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

They could just cut out the middleman and just worship the sun.


Hence the Origin of my Name . . . Finally - an Egyptian who doesn't worship the sun, am I right?

[Horn]

Hence the Origin of my Name . . . Finally - an Egyptian who doesn't worship the sun, am I right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f6FwR4KYrs

[D sciple]

Christianity, in its proper understanding, should be thought of as a continuation of the "religion" of the Hebrews exemplified by the law of Moses. Jesus quoted the Old Testament many times. He didn't present himself and his teaching as a new religion, simply a perfect demonstration of the Way (torah in Hebrew, also known as first 5 books of the old testament).

Criticizing it because its unoriginal is a joke.

Now saying that the Catholics twisted the scriptures in their practice for control of the people is legitimate. Saying the "Jews" (Edomites in reality) hijacked the identity of the Hebrews is legitimate.

[PatColo]

claim: "Bechtel owns the Dead Sea Scrolls (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40538-gnosticism-discussion-on-veritas-radio&p=423603&viewfull=1#post423603)."

[Santa]

claim: "Bechtel owns the Dead Sea Scrolls (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40538-gnosticism-discussion-on-veritas-radio&p=423603&viewfull=1#post423603)."


In the fall of 1991 everything changed. The Huntington Library in California announced, magically, that it had a set of photographs of all the Dead Sea Scrolls. Back in 1961, Elizabeth Bechtel, wife of Kenneth Bechtel of the megalithic but shadowy Bechtel Corporation, somehow acquired the photos and entrusted them to the Huntington. How Mrs. Bechtel came into their possession is unclear, perhaps through her husband's connections with middle-Eastern governments. The originals are apparently locked away deep in the Vatican's underground labyrinths or have been destroyed altogether. Effectively leaving only the Bechtel photographed copies for independent scholars to study.

How convenient is that? Slight of hand to introduce more fake history one way or another?

http://www.atlantisrising.com/backis...3dsscroll.html (http://www.atlantisrising.com/backissues/issue3/ar3dsscroll.html)

[Santa]

Oh, I'm sure the Bechtels were only interested in getting the truth out to the public. ::)


Nov/Dec 1991...Huntington Library Releases Scroll Photographs
As we go to press, the front pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post have announced that the prestigious Huntington Library in San Marino, California, will release photographs of the unpublished Dead Sea Scrolls to all scholars, a step that BAR has been urging for years.
The Huntington Library obtained the photographs in 1980 from Mrs. Elizabeth Hay Bechtel, who in part financed the purchase of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Mrs. Bechtel has since died.
One of the most important and powerful research libraries in the world, the Huntington Library is a far more formidable opponent for the Dead Sea Scroll editing team to face than is BAR. The Israel Antiquities Authority intitially reacted with fury. It accused Huntington of a “breach of agreement.” Its FAX continued: “It is your legal and moral obligation to comply with the stipulations of the agreement, which clearly forbids such actions.” The Authority concluded by asking Huntington to “save us the trouble of taking legal actions.”

[keehah]

Criticizing it because its unoriginal is a joke.

Now saying that the Catholics twisted the scriptures in their practice for control of the people is legitimate. Saying the "Jews" (Edomites in reality) hijacked the identity of the Hebrews is legitimate.
What aurthority are you conformed to?

Regardless, it is nice to have a few non-Jewish sources of information around.

Suite101: Gilgamesh and Parallels to the Bible (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/mythology/22396)

Both the Babylonian Flood myth referred to in The Epic of Gilgamesh and the Biblical Flood story share many similarities as you can see. This is indeed evidence that the writers of the Bible drew upon older stories and myths to create their own tales. But the story of the Flood and Flood myths are quite common and they are found in cultures of all times all around the world.

Is there some truth to the Flood myth? Did a great deluge of cataclysmic proportions ravage the earth in some remote time in history? Are these myths the collective human memory of that terrifying event? [and] do the myths recall smaller local floods that effected past cultures?

...The serpent in the Gilgamesh tale appears once Gilgamesh has found the boon of immortality, the magical flower. While our hero is resting and bathing after his adventures the snake quickly snatches the flower from Gilgamesh thus stealing immortality for himself from Gilgamesh and from mankind in general.

The 'problem' with the Gilgamesh tale is the hero-god is too obviously a psychopathic politician.
Deception was added.

But the bible does credit Gilgamesh in that Abraham left Babylon to found the Judaic authority.


The once great city of Babylon, where the Jews were held captive
for 70 years, became a symbol of power, materialism, and cruelty.
http://www.bible-history.com/babylonia/BabyloniaHistory_of_Babylonia.htm

A thousand years from now some Judaic authority may teach that the Jews were held captive in America during our time.

[Horn]

He didn't present himself and his teaching as a new religion, simply a perfect demonstration of the Way (torah in Hebrew, also known as first 5 books of the old testament).

The convenience of martyrdom, is that it removes all possibility of perceived future imperfections.

[Santa]

A thousand years from now some Judaic authority may teach that the Jews were held captive in America during our time.

At the current rate of political spin, twenty years is more likely. ::)

[D sciple]

Hmm, "What authority am I conformed to?" If you will answer that question for yourself I will as well. I have a feeling you want to know so you can attempt to discredit it, I just want the same opportunity at yours.

Concerning "Jews", are you aware of the Jacob vs. Esau battle as discussed a few places on GSUS?

[ximmy]

Christianity, in its proper understanding, should be thought of as a continuation of the "religion" of the Hebrews exemplified by the law of Moses. Jesus quoted the Old Testament many times. He didn't present himself and his teaching as a new religion, simply a perfect demonstration of the Way (torah in Hebrew, also known as first 5 books of the old testament).


Thank you for providing this basic muslim belief... salam alai-cum

[D sciple]

Argh, when will the women learn their place? I hear the Muslims drink water as well, maybe you should quit.

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] my people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

[Spectrism]

When truly ignorant people revel in their stupidity, there is no hope for them. When dogs hastily return to their vomit so that they might again regurgitate the poisons they swallow, eventually the poison becomes part of the dogs.

[D sciple]

In this case what is the vomit? And what is the ignorance? Or will this be another hit n run? For all the hit n runners, there's no shame in apologizing when your criticisms have been shown to be illogical (baseless, nonsensical) .

[Spectrism]

If I spell it out, the doubt dissipates.

The principle is true for those who will see it. For those who won't, principles don't matter.

[Buddha]

(Insert vague high horsey religious bullshit here)

[D sciple]

In reality, you Spectrism should be ignored and labeled ignorant. You come in here basically trolling (I never use this word, but really all you've done is call me ignorant and added wind). I'm sure you have some kind of principles, but their not found in scripture.

[ximmy]

In reality, you Spectrism should be ignored and labeled ignorant. You come in here basically trolling (I never use this word, but really all you've done is call me ignorant and added wind). I'm sure you have some kind of principles, but their not found in scripture.

D sciple, by any chance does "D" stand for Douche-sciple... Just checking...

[D sciple]

I'm in a good (strong) mood today and ready to put all foolishness in its place.

I'll start the trend of honesty and say this regarding my comments earlier to you. Perhaps I pulled the Isaiah card a little to early. I believe the idea I presented is unquestionable but perhaps it was a little too much ammo for the job.

[ximmy]

I'm in a good (strong) mood today and ready to put all foolishness in its place.

I'll start the trend of honesty and say this regarding my comments earlier to you. Perhaps I pulled the Isaiah card a little to early. I believe the idea I presented is unquestionable but perhaps it was a little too much ammo for the job.

Thank you for more proof of how highly you think of yourself... or as Dirty Harry would say: Your a legend in your own mind...

[D sciple]

I know what I know, and I know what I don't know.

[ximmy]

I know what I know, and I know what I don't know.

You don't have to be no fish to tell when you're flounderin'
What am I? Some kind of barnacles on the dinghy of life?
I ain't no doctors but I knows when I'm losin' me patiensk
What am I? Some kind of judge, or a lawyer?
Aw, maybe not; but I knows what laws suits me
So what am I? I ain't no physciscisk, but I knows what matters
What am I? I'm Douche, the sciple

And I yam what I yam what I yam and I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam 'cause I yam what I yam

[D sciple]

(hmm, retraction, little excessive sounding)

[Gaillo]

Chill it, folks.
Some stuff in this thread is borderline ban-worthy.

[Horn]

(Insert vague high horsey religious bullshit here)

Its all because we can't properly give thanks, Gaillo.

Therefore blood spills.

[D sciple]

You know Ximmy, your boyfriend book has a good tagline (signature quote thing?) - The truth is chased from many villages.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

I think my own is rather nifty if I do say so myself :)

[D sciple]

I think my own is rather nifty if I do say so myself :)

Like Samson slaying 1000 philistines, I'm willing to stay and Lyrically slay all comers, lest they lose their souls.

Then the people will say, Let the Kingdom rejoice for the infidel who would steal our inheritance hath been Vocally annihilated

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I know what I know, and I know what I don't know.

If the sky is blue
I desire to believe that the sky is blue
If the sky is not blue
I desire to believe that the sky is not blue.


What is true is already so.
People can stand what is true,
for they are already enduring it.




Two Abbreviated Litanies

[Glass]

They could just cut out the middleman and just worship the sun.

phffft. If we start doing that before long our energy will be coming from the sun.

[Jazkal]

I know what I know, and I know what I don't know.
Are you saying you know it all? Just never seen anyone actually say that before (minus some teenagers that don't know any better).


As far as the original post, here is a rebuttal of the book mentioned there:

http://www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-archary-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-1.html