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madfranks
15th June 2011, 09:06 PM
Constitution? We don't need no stinking Constitution!

Link Here (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0615/White-House-Limited-Libya-operation-didn-t-require-approval-of-Congress)

White House: 'Limited' Libya operation didn't require approval of Congress



Citing “important US interests,” the White House (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/The+White+House) on Wednesday claimed constitutional authority for ongoing US military (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/U.S.+Armed+Forces) operations in Libya (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Libya), now estimated to cost US taxpayers $1.1 billion through Sept. 30.

The claim was made in a report released as lawmakers converged on the White House for an annual picnic. It is the Obama administration (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Barack+Obama)’s response to a House resolution on June 3 calling for the release of documents providing a legal justification for the president’s decision to commit US forces without authorization from Congress.
Stepping up the pressure on President Obama, Speaker John Boehner (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/John+Boehner) (R) of Ohio (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Ohio) on Tuesday warned that the president will be in violation of the War Powers Act (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/War+Powers+Resolution) if he does not obtain congressional approval by Sunday.


Just hours before release of the White House documents, 10 House members, led by Reps. Dennis Kucinich (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Dennis+Kucinich) (D) of Ohio and Walter Jones (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Walter+Jones) (R) of North Carolina (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/North+Carolina), filed suit in a federal court challenging the legality of US operations in Libya.
“Where in the world is Congress when an administration decides we want to bomb a country? For goodness sake, there’s a Constitution!” says Congressman Jones, in a phone interview.
“I think those who drafted the Constitution would probably be standing with us today and applaud the action we’re taking,” he adds.
The White House justification for the use of force in Libya without congressional authorization came down to three key points:
• US forces are playing a “constrained and supporting role” in a multinational coalition. “At no point did the US act alone.”
• The operations of that coalition are “legitimated by and limited to the terms of a United Nations Security Council (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/United+Nations+Security+Council) Resolution.”
• If the US military were to cease its participation in the NATO operation, “it would seriously degrade the coalition’s ability” to protect civilians and to enforce a no-fly zone and an arms embargo.
“The United States (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/United+States) is providing unique assets and capabilities that other NATO and coalition nations either do not posses or possess in very limited numbers,” the report concluded.
Early responses from House GOP (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/U.S.+Republican+Party) leaders signal that that explanation did not satisfy congressional concerns.
'Creative arguments' by White House

“The creative arguments made by the White House raise a number of questions that must be further explored,” said Brendan Buck (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Brendan+Buck), a spokesman for Speaker Boehner.
“We will review the information that was provided today, but hope and expect that this will serve as the beginning, not the end, of the president’s explanation for continued American operations in Libya,” he added.
Rep. Scott Garrett (R) (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Scott+Garrett) of New Jersey (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/New+Jersey), who chairs the Constitutional Caucus (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Constitutional+Caucus), said that Wednesday’s “progress report from the White House is no substitute for congressional authorization.”

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Cebu_4_2
15th June 2011, 09:44 PM
Both sides are pissing on each other, seems they have no clue what side they are on LOL. I hope after Diebolds election they are split 50/50 so they go nowhere.

palani
16th June 2011, 04:25 AM
Being silent actually is consent ... Inaction is a vote of confidence.


Qui tacet consentire videtur. He who is silent appears to consent.

SWRichmond
16th June 2011, 05:50 AM
We get off on killing people.

Twisted Titan
16th June 2011, 05:51 AM
And those that open their mouth to sociopaths are quickly identifed and dealt with......

Dogman
16th June 2011, 06:02 AM
Hell bush did the same thing all the time, in more things than just the military.

Presidential end runs have been with us for a long time, but I think bush was the worst.(thinky?)

I am sure not in the hell taking sides , on the fence on this one. Just pointing out the obvious.

SWRichmond
16th June 2011, 06:08 AM
gonna go out on a limb here. Our society is obsessed with killing. We kill people in Iraq, Afghan, Paki, Libya; we kill our own citizens in SWAT raids and then justify it. We are becoming Israel, a society obsessed with fear and security and willing to preemptively kill anyone who stands in our way, even ourselves. It's really disgusting. This must be what a downward spiral looks like from the inside.

letter_factory
16th June 2011, 06:32 AM
Being silent actually is consent ... Inaction is a vote of confidence.


Qui tacet consentire videtur. He who is silent appears to consent.

lol, that's a good way to find out that you're the only one going along.

madfranks
16th June 2011, 09:36 AM
Being silent actually is consent ... Inaction is a vote of confidence.


Qui tacet consentire videtur. He who is silent appears to consent.

As it relates to the OP article, I agree that Congress should have done something immediately, and by not doing so, they appear to consent. But I don't think your premise can be applied universally.

palani
16th June 2011, 12:56 PM
June 25th, 1948 ... Truman set up federal territorial courts by state 5 days AFTER congress adjourned (now known as 28 USC 81-131) .... Congress (legislative branch) did not call Truman (executive branch) on the carpet for this unconstitutional act. By being silent they agreed.

Now you know about it and if YOU go silent then YOU also agree.

If you are slow in getting around to doing the right thing then when you actually do correct the error you do so NUNC PRO TUNC (from the beginning, which is where you should have done it had you been property consulted).

osoab
16th June 2011, 01:50 PM
I was thinking they were going to use the treaty defense. NATO treaty supcedes the Constitution.

To use the argument of
US forces are playing a “constrained and supporting role” in a multinational coalition. “At no point did the US act alone.”
seems asinine to me. This is what they were highlighting in national radio spots.

So, would War be waged by NATO without our support?