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MNeagle
26th June 2011, 11:05 AM
How anything you've EVER said on the internet could be seen by employers as Feds approve firm that dishes dirt on applicants



Company keeps information on its records for SEVEN YEARS
Uses special software to track down applicants' online pseudonyms
Means social media postings will become regular part of job application process
Government rules company doesn't breach regulations


By Fiona Roberts (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Fiona+Roberts)

Last updated at 11:27 AM on 26th June 2011

The Federal Trade Commission has approved a controversial firm which scours social media sites to check on job applicants.
It means anything you've ever said in public on sites including Facebook, Twitter and even Craigslist could be seen by your would-be employer.
The Washington-based commission has ruled the firm, Social Intelligence Corporation, complies with the Fair Credit Reporting Act - even though it keeps the results of its searches on file for seven years.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/26/article-2008231-0CBBF18700000578-402_468x441.jpg Dishing the dirt: Social Intelligence Corporation performs background checks by scouring job applicants' social media accounts

It raises the frightening prospect of any social media posting, even it's years old or was meant as a joke, being used in background checks.
Applicants who use online pseudonyms aren't safe, either - the firm uses special software to link those nicknames with real, offline names known to employers.



One applicant found himself out of the running for a job after being branded racist because he once joined a Facebook group called 'I shouldn't have to press one for English. We are in the United States. Learn the language.'
Social Intelligence Corp scours everything from social networking sites, such as Facebook, to video and picture sharing websites as well as blogs and wikis.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/26/article-2008231-0CBBF1EB00000578-41_468x315.jpg Controversial: One applicant was turned down for a job after the firm discovered he had joined a group like this on Facebook and ruled he had 'racist tendencies'

The company has defended its policy of keeping the searches on file, saying it's for compliance reasons only.
BIG BROTHER FEARS: SO WHERE DO THEY LOOK?



The firm searches any information which is publicly available online. It includes:

Social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter;
Professional networking sites such as LinkedIn;

Video and photo-sharing sites like Flickr and YouTube;
Commercial sites such as eBay and Craigslist;
Blogs and 'wikis'.

It says the negative findings are not re-used if a new employer runs a check on an applicant.
Its chief operating officer, Geoffrey Andrews, said: 'We are not... building a “database” on individuals that will be evaluated each time they apply for a job and potentially could be used adversely even if they have cleaned up their profiles.'
One of the reports, released to Forbes magazine, flagged an applicant for 'demonstrating potentially violent behaviour' because he'd posted a photograph of him holding a gun on his Facebook account.
Another was flagged for 'illegal activity' after putting an advert on Craigslist searching for the drug Oxycontin.
So far the company says it has found 'negative' online postings in up to 20 per cent of applicants it's been asked to investigate.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/26/article-2008231-0CBBF26300000578-165_468x335.jpg Background checks: Max Drucker, the firm's CEO, argues the firm 's methods are fairer than if employers simply Google candidates, which can be discriminatory

Social Intelligence Corp. was founded a year ago, and soon afterwards the Federal Trade Commission began investigating over fears it could be in breach of the Fair Credit Reporting Act.
DISHING THE DIRT: SO WHAT DO THEY FIND?



According to Social Intelligence Corporation's chief operating officer:

20 per cent of candidates don't appear on the internet at all;
60 per cent have a neutral or positive online 'footprint';
Up to 20 per cent of candidates have something 'negative' about them on the internet, especially when the pool is younger;
That figure falls to around five per cent for younger candidates.

But the government has now dropped its inquiry, ruling the company is within the rules as long as it lets applicants know whether they failed to get a job as a result of the report.
It also changed the wording on it permission form - which all applicants must sign before the checks are carried out - to make sure they know exactly what will be checked during the review.
Social Intelligence Corp says its reports are fairer than if employers simply Google candidates.
The reports only take into account 'job-threatening' characteristics - such as criminal activity - and does not include personal information, such as sexuality or religion, which an employee legally cannot see.

Applicants can also dispute the report's findings, and the offending record will be deleted if it is found to be incorrect.
Mr Andrews told Forbes: 'I like to think we are providing a service not just by screening for employers, but in helping to protect job applicants by creating a standard process for online background checks and a service that presents them with reports on negative material.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008231/How-youve-EVER-said-internet-seen-employers-government-approves-Social-Intelligence-Corp.html

Gaillo
26th June 2011, 11:09 AM
Well...
Looks like everyone here is unemployable now! ;D

General of Darkness
26th June 2011, 11:09 AM
LOL, I told people, don't join Facebook and social media sites. And of course Mr. Drucker is what? A jew, not like the nose didn't give it away.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/26/article-2008231-0CBBF26300000578-165_468x335.jpg

Horn
26th June 2011, 11:11 AM
Talk about mistaken identity.

There should be a search engine for which companies use the software, so the can be boycotted.

palani
26th June 2011, 11:24 AM
People who use Skype "say" things. Writing is from 1860 and is an accounting term.


For men use to write an evill turne in marble stone, but a good turne in the dust. [More, 1513]

I see nothing in marble stone having to do with the internet, so all these bits being organized must be a good turne.

BrewTech
26th June 2011, 11:27 AM
Thankfully I don't ever work for companies that give a shit about one's "online social profile" or whatever they call it.

I can't believe what we've become. >:(

Libertytree
26th June 2011, 11:38 AM
Tightening the noose a little tighter, piss tests, psych evals, credit checks and now this crap. Denying people work will make them criminals, both as being labeled as un-hirable and then later when they commit an act to feed themselves and family. I'm sick of hearing about the shit they keep pulling! I gotta get the hell out of this system.

mick silver
26th June 2011, 11:43 AM
good luck with the get out part . i dont know if a people can get out of the system now . i think it way to late for that now

Twisted Titan
26th June 2011, 11:54 AM
They have just publicy acknoweled a practice they have been using since the dark ages......anything a company wants they will get.

Santa
26th June 2011, 12:42 PM
Any "firm" that uses this sort of tactic aught to be burned to the ground. Yesterday.
I'd rather eat dirt and die than work for the fucks who do this kind of shit to people.

And I probably will...

gunDriller
26th June 2011, 12:54 PM
Any "firm" that uses this sort of tactic aught to be burned to the ground. Yesterday.
I'd rather eat dirt and die than work for the fucks who do this kind of shit to people.

And I probably will...


well, if i put on my resume that i refuse to work for a Jew or anyone who supports Israel - until i have a chance to check THEM out (some Jewish people i would work for), they can save their $ on a background check.

BillBoard
26th June 2011, 03:33 PM
GIGO...

They have what you give them, give them more than they bargain for, fill their pool with trash and they can't do anything about it. Now they see it, now they don't. Be flexible with your projections and you will get lost in all the noise, hide your pattern within the pattern...

po boy
26th June 2011, 04:14 PM
well, if i put on my resume that i refuse to work for a Jew or anyone who supports Israel - until i have a chance to check THEM out (some Jewish people i would work for), they can save their $ on a background check.

Gd if you are employed and file and pay income tax you are funding Israel and so many other real nifty programs.

Employment ain't what it's cracked up to be.

Ares
26th June 2011, 04:21 PM
Every time I see shit like this, it makes me even more glad that I do not have a Facebook, MySpace or twitter account. Some of my friends piss me off with their sheer idiocy so I know for a fact I'd say something that would be considered "politically incorrect".

solid
26th June 2011, 04:29 PM
I'm sick of hearing about the shit they keep pulling! I gotta get the hell out of this system.

Years ago I bought an old boat, cash, for the dream of sailing away. Then, the dream was to see the world and experience different cultures.

Today? The dream is the same. I want to sail away. The difference is I want to see other cultures...and get the fuck out of this system. Sadly, I did not want to get out of the system before....I do now.

General of Darkness
26th June 2011, 04:32 PM
Years ago I bought an old boat, cash, for the dream of sailing away. Then, the dream was to see the world and experience different cultures.

Today? The dream is the same. I want to sail away. The difference is I want to see other cultures...and get the fuck out of this system. Sadly, I did not want to get out of the system before....I do now.

Solid, you should go to Africa.

http://i35.tinypic.com/16i7np.jpg

joboo
26th June 2011, 05:01 PM
"the firm uses special software to link those nicknames with real, offline names known to employers"

Oh really? What the fuck is this?

They contact idiotbook, shitter, fagballsforum.com, etc... get them to look up your IP address then link it back to your home address? How is this legally happening exactly? ....and how they hell are they supposed to know which person is typing, and posting what at that particular address?

Nonsense.

Just the same I think this guy is going to suffer some seriously bad karma in the future. Rather parasitic, situation he has going on there. Wow...Shocker...

MNeagle
26th June 2011, 06:35 PM
the firm uses special software to link those nicknames with real, offline names known to employers

I wondered about that too joboo, do you think it's legit, or a psych-op?

Dogman
26th June 2011, 06:42 PM
Mn , it can be done, of that I am sure. Nicknames can be linked to your ip , the trick is the software needs to find the users ip address. And then link it to the real world person using that address. It is doable. That is the way the movie and recording company's are tracking illegal down loaders. There was a thread yesterday about 3 strikes you are out.

Now is it going to pass the smell test? That is the question, I feel it is a major violation of privacy.

joboo
26th June 2011, 06:52 PM
I wondered about that too joboo, do you think it's legit, or a psych-op?

psy-op

They can't possibly get this information without having someone look through their server logs for whatever site they're wanting to get info from. There is no software that can browse server logs straight through a firewall, and the server security itself. This kind of information requires a court order, and it is time consuming unless the site operator likes to routinely break the law. On top of that, they need to get access to your ISP to find your street address. Not going to happen without police involvement, and legal paperwork. If it somehow does, there's a nice fat lawsuit right there all packaged up, and ready to go.

...and then what? How many people have a given nickname on the internet? More than a few that's for sure. Unless you make a nickname that really, really specific, AND use it at work all over the place, or tell everyone somehow uhh...?!?!, or use your first and last name with town or street you live on there is no way they can put anything conclusive together by a long shot.

This guy will probably be involved in a tragic accident while crossing the street, or perhaps using a flight of stairs.

osoab
26th June 2011, 06:53 PM
GIGO...

They have what you give them, give them more than they bargain for, fill their pool with trash and they can't do anything about it. Now they see it, now they don't. Be flexible with your projections and you will get lost in all the noise, hide your pattern within the pattern...

So, we should all become spammers?

vacuum
26th June 2011, 07:15 PM
So, we should all become spammers?

Maybe we should all have an unsecure wireless network at our house?

Dogman
26th June 2011, 07:16 PM
That may work once, then they say to secure it or not use it

joboo
26th June 2011, 08:11 PM
Yeah, Because the system is going to arrest and sue itself! ::)

The claim is that the guy's firm uses "special software" to conduct illegal spying activities. If you realize what needs to take place to get the information they claim, it becomes apparent.

Therefore their claim is what you would call a psyop which is the question I was asked, thus my explanation as to why I think it's exactly that, and nothing more.

There are lawyers, the world around, that would jump all over that scenario for no money down.

Libertytree
26th June 2011, 08:21 PM
Social Intelligence Corp is an obvious CIA, FBI, HS front! they already have the (ill) legal blessings to do whatever they want to, no need for any permissions, they just do it in the interest of national security.

joboo
26th June 2011, 08:49 PM
Social Intelligence Corp is an obvious CIA, FBI, HS front! they already have the (ill) legal blessings to do whatever they want to, no need for any permissions, they just do it in the interest of national security.

How do you suppose they're going to avoid all the lawsuits?

If a company could actually make true to the claims as they are, they would spend a significant portion of their earnings in a court room.

Basically everyone's ISP would have to be compromised, and where ever you post as well. No software can do this, as it would have to hack both scenarios, breaking even more laws. Therefore someone would have to make phone calls, and send emails to sysadmins to get the info.

A lot of work to find out "bigballs452" thinks 9/11 was an inside job.

This is simply a ruse to scare people into not talking about certain issues.

Hatha Sunahara
27th June 2011, 09:17 AM
If they ever get this idiotic scheme to work, the companies who screen applicants (for their slave jobs) will screen out the most intelligent and productive people in the work force. They will deserve exactly what they get.

I predict that social media will disappear sometime in the near future. I'll give it five years. By then, everyone will have been stung sufficiently to value their privacy a little more. We are already seeing it in defections from Facebook. I never understood why people play games where the objective is for them to lose. People will rediscover face to face social networks again. Facebook is for the alienated, atomized slaves out there who put their careers ahead of their lives.

Hatha

Dogman
27th June 2011, 09:30 AM
If they ever get this idiotic scheme to work, the companies who screen applicants (for their slave jobs) will screen out the most intelligent and productive people in the work force. They will deserve exactly what they get.

I predict that social media will disappear sometime in the near future. I'll give it five years. By then, everyone will have been stung sufficiently to value their privacy a little more. We are already seeing it in defections from Facebook. I never understood why people play games where the objective is for them to lose. People will rediscover face to face social networks again. Facebook is for the alienated, atomized slaves out there who put their careers ahead of their lives.

Hatha

Have seen fads come and go over the years, and this one or something very much like it , I think will stick for a large majority.

Sorry to say that what is called normal or essential changes in a society over time and social media has found a permanent place in society.

Will it be required, who knows what will happen in time. For now it is an individual choice to opt in or out. But as long as we use computers and have the networks to use , social media is here to stay.

It is already changing the way things are done and taught, there already has been a proposal to eliminate cursive writing in schools , because everything is being done by keyboard now. For example when is the last time anyone reading this right now, has wrote a letter to a loved one , friend or acquaintance?

That is one reason the post office is dieing , no one sends letters any more. People are handwriting less and less , which is a true shame.

Libertytree
27th June 2011, 09:34 AM
If they ever get this idiotic scheme to work, the companies who screen applicants (for their slave jobs) will screen out the most intelligent and productive people in the work force. They will deserve exactly what they get.

I predict that social media will disappear sometime in the near future. I'll give it five years. By then, everyone will have been stung sufficiently to value their privacy a little more. We are already seeing it in defections from Facebook. I never understood why people play games where the objective is for them to lose. People will rediscover face to face social networks again. Facebook is for the alienated, atomized slaves out there who put their careers ahead of their lives.

Hatha

Has there really been quantities of FB users opting out? The question still remains though, if the info that was there is actually poofed or still resides in the database?

Dogman
27th June 2011, 09:39 AM
Has there really been quantities of FB users opting out? The question still remains though, if the info that was there is actually poofed or still resides in the database?

Consider the Internet and all social sites as big black holes , IE: once in , never out or destroyed as far as information. Everything posted will out live any and all of us, forever and ever. Unless the earth blows up!

Hatha Sunahara
27th June 2011, 10:19 AM
Facebook had 6 million people opt out in May.

I also predict a boom in privacy software. Anyone tried the TOR button? https://www.torproject.org/torbutton/ You can also install it using Firefox addon feature. There is no shortage of ways to protect yourself from the authoritarians. They will try to make it illegal to protect yourself, but I predict that respect for the law will be a thing of the past before they can do that. We are already at a point where law and nature are at war. Nature will win--as it always has.


Hatha