Kosher "The Tree Of Liberty" Forum

[Book]

http://thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1560320&postcount=11

Checkout his avatar and Sig photo. Notice all the agreement in that thread.

Jaw-dropping number of zio-stooges and zio-christians and crypto-jews infest that TTOL forum.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/090-1003122237-jaw-dropping.jpg

[Ares]

Reading through those comments of ignorance is painful.

It's like watching a rape victim lay praise to their attacker.

[LuckyStrike]

http://thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1560320&postcount=11

Checkout his avatar and Sig photo. Notice all the agreement in that thread.

Jaw-dropping number of zio-stooges and zio-christians and crypto-jews infest that TTOL forum.



I don't call them Christian zionists anymore, or judeo Christians.

I just call them judeos, clearly they side with the murderers of Christ and not Christ himself so they don't deserve the name.

As for the site, it's typical I'm sure kikestan has a few JITF agents in there, maybe the SPLC too, it's all about keeping the perception of what is mainstream and acceptable at one point, when in reality not nearly as many people actually think that way compared to how many are perceived to think that way.

I wouldn't doubt if 20% of internet forums of any size are agents of some sort, think about it, those yids have literally all the money in the world what the hell do you think they spend it on? It's certainly money well spent, they have trouble controlling the internet, but they can certainly steer it.

[Libertarian_Guard]

I don't call them Christian zionists anymore, or judeo Christians.

I just call them judeos, clearly they side with the murderers of Christ and not Christ himself so they don't deserve the name.

As for the site, it's typical I'm sure kikestan has a few JITF agents in there, maybe the SPLC too, it's all about keeping the perception of what is mainstream and acceptable at one point, when in reality not nearly as many people actually think that way compared to how many are perceived to think that way.

I wouldn't doubt if 20% of internet forums of any size are agents of some sort, think about it, those yids have literally all the money in the world what the hell do you think they spend it on? It's certainly money well spent, they have trouble controlling the internet, but they can certainly steer it.

LuckyStrike

I agree, it all sounds true to me, except your guess of 20% ...... perhaps more like .01% or less, just because of people on the net (and in this country) that do buy into the support Isreal and have your ticket to heaven validated nonsense.

[Horn]

Mutant evolution of genetically engineered subjects over there.

Gives wonder to how we can even disagree on issues here.

[Neuro]

LuckyStrike

I agree, it all sounds true to me, except your guess of 20% ...... perhaps more like .01% or less, just because of people on the net (and in this country) that do buy into the support Isreal and have your ticket to heaven validated nonsense.
Probably a bit more than 0.01%, but goys have been herded for a long, long time, and that includes jewish goys to. In terms of actual numbers who are willingly and knowingly propagating the zionist agenda, they are probably less than the number who sees through it, but they own the herding system (media, government and opposition, banking, 'justice' and pharma)...

[gunDriller]

http://thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1560320&postcount=11

Checkout his avatar and Sig photo. Notice all the agreement in that thread.

Jaw-dropping number of zio-stooges and zio-christians and crypto-jews infest that TTOL forum.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/090-1003122237-jaw-dropping.jpg

yes. being banned from there for telling the truth is something to be proud of.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Reading through those comments of ignorance is painful.

It's like watching a rape victim lay praise to their attacker.

+1

i've been a member there for awhile now
i don't think i would even be given a chance to explain my anti-zionist views/facts
paraphrasing bibi imayahoo " christian zionists are useful idiots "

it's amazing how much some members praise/worship israel just because the bible tells them to
who wrote the bible anyway ?
maybe a little jewish editing when Gutenberg started printing bibles ?

know thine ( future ) enemy

[LuckyStrike]

+1

it's amazing how much some members praise/worship israel just because the bible tells them to
who wrote the bible anyway ?
maybe a little jewish editing when Gutenberg started printing bibles ?



They don't worship israel they worship the jews.

This may surprise the shit out of everyone, but I get tired as hell of going round and fucking round about this. I have posted Biblical proof that the people known as jews today are not the descendants of Israel because they fulfill none of the prophecies concerning them.

But it sure as shit seems like everyone just keeps running with it, keeps going with the deception, even though I have proven otherwise. I say proven because nobody has stepped up and countered any of the arguments I've laid out. So either step up to the plate or for Gods sake quite perpetuating this damn jewish lie.

(not directed at people who have not read the threads in the religion section)

[LuckyStrike]

LuckyStrike

I agree, it all sounds true to me, except your guess of 20% ...... perhaps more like .01% or less, just because of people on the net (and in this country) that do buy into the support Isreal and have your ticket to heaven validated nonsense.


.01 percent is nowhere near enough to sway anyones opinion, it would take a forum of over 10000 active people (even Stormfront has less than 2500 people even log in per day) to just have one shill and in a forum that huge one person would stand out like the sorest of thumbs.

20% is a high number but is it unrealistic? I don't think so. In TV, Movies, Newspapers and radio they control 99.99% of what gets out, on the internet it's the exact opposite they have a very small amount of control. So their choices are either shutdown the internet which would be extremely unpopular, or spend money (of which they have an unlimited supply of) in order to sway opinion, to steer conversations and provide their own framework for thought.

Never underestimate the enemy.

[hoarder]

http://thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1567108#post1567108

[LuckyStrike]

http://thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1567108#post1567108

I sent that link to around 50 pastors at random throughout the US, I just searched for "first baptist (insert town here)" (i did all protestant faiths)went on their websites and emailed the pastor, sometimes the assistant pastor or youth pastor etc. I told them that I had come across the document and would like there opinion. I also emailed some seminary professors.

You know how many responses I got?

0


I've put it off for a long time, but hopefully in the not to distant future I will do a write up on my site about it and call those lying shit heads out by name, giving their email addresses out and telling anyone who will listen that they can't even answer basic scriptural questions.


PS here is a link to the whole thread, it should be a fun one
http://thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=142258

[LuckyStrike]

Quote from your thread.

"ONE (Bible) reason why I should not judge if a Jew (Jewish people) are Israel: only ONE was found worthy to judge and that is YAHshua/Jesus...NOT man. I have never heard of anyone saying they were specifically called to "sort out" who is a Jew...and who is not. I don't feel The Most High Yahweh needs OUR help."


What an absolute moron. She is saying let's throw out our brains, throw out discernment he gives us, and stick our heads in the sand.

The Creator gave us a brain to use, damnit and these morons will come up with the most asinine excuses why they can't face reality.

[gunDriller]

OK, i posted there again.

about 9-11.

see what happens - not that there's much doubt.

[7th trump]

Just wait..........Emily's may post in that thread if she hasnt already. Shes always a hoot to read her contradict herself.
She reminds me of an old prim and proper sunday school type teacher. All studious, but doesnt realize the embarrassement of toilet paper stuck to her backside. Kind of like Jacky Gleason in the Smokey and the Bandit movie.

And what ever you do dont ask Emily if she believes in the rapture!
It will get you a perma ban for personal attack.

[Son-of-Liberty]

They don't worship israel they worship the jews.

This may surprise the shit out of everyone, but I get tired as hell of going round and fucking round about this. I have posted Biblical proof that the people known as jews today are not the descendants of Israel because they fulfill none of the prophecies concerning them.

But it sure as shit seems like everyone just keeps running with it, keeps going with the deception, even though I have proven otherwise. I say proven because nobody has stepped up and countered any of the arguments I've laid out. So either step up to the plate or for Gods sake quite perpetuating this damn jewish lie.

(not directed at people who have not read the threads in the religion section)

Don't think I read through much of that thread but I agree with you. the Khazar jews are, "those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie"

I wonder how this deception even got started? It seems fairly obvious. There is more then one warning in the bible that it will happen. How do people fall so easily for it?

[Son-of-Liberty]

.01 percent is nowhere near enough to sway anyones opinion, it would take a forum of over 10000 active people (even Stormfront has less than 2500 people even log in per day) to just have one shill and in a forum that huge one person would stand out like the sorest of thumbs.

20% is a high number but is it unrealistic? I don't think so. In TV, Movies, Newspapers and radio they control 99.99% of what gets out, on the internet it's the exact opposite they have a very small amount of control. So their choices are either shutdown the internet which would be extremely unpopular, or spend money (of which they have an unlimited supply of) in order to sway opinion, to steer conversations and provide their own framework for thought.

Never underestimate the enemy.

Odds are that each agent would have dozens, or hundreds of sock puppets so perceived 20% online might only be 1% of the real population.

[LuckyStrike]

I wonder how this deception even got started? It seems fairly obvious. There is more then one warning in the bible that it will happen. How do people fall so easily for it?

Matthew 24:24

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

[dys]

Not 20% but 50% or more.
Yup, it really is that bad out there.

[hoarder]

I sent that link to around 50 pastors at random throughout the US, I just searched for "first baptist (insert town here)" (i did all protestant faiths)went on their websites and emailed the pastor, sometimes the assistant pastor or youth pastor etc. I told them that I had come across the document and would like there opinion. I also emailed some seminary professors.

You know how many responses I got?

0

I'm not that religious myself and consider myself a beginner at Bible study, but judging by the responses (and lack thereof) to your 50 reasons on various forums I would say it appears to be pretty bulletproof.

Don't underestimate the work you have done in contacting those pastors. Most likely many of them have a seed of thought planted in their minds and have lowered their zionist tone. Some may have taken your email as bait sent by zionists to out them.
I think most pastors have the "people person" personality type and value their social position at some unconcious level. I mean really, how much serious bible study goes on in churches anyway. The "people person" is seldom a truth-seeker.

[LuckyStrike]

I mean really, how much serious bible study goes on in churches anyway.

I have been to probably 30-50 churches around the country, mainly protestant and from my experience the answer to your question is very little to none.

I just checked your thread at the ToL and was frankly amazed, there were a handful of people who actually support it, in fact the majority in that thread seemed to support it, the rest either had no rebuttal so didn't comment or had dumb rebuttals or had nothing but still screamed racism.

I can't tell you how much events like that give me hope, I posted on a survival forum religion area poll that I was Christian Identity, I had nobody who started a war about it and even got a couple PM's from several other believers.

I'm sure most if not all of us can relate to this, but being what often seems like the only sane person left on the planet is disconcerting sometimes. You certainly have to be steadfast but small events like that mean the world to me so thank you for posting it. :)

[gunDriller]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
No place for anti-semitism on this forum. Bye

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

Another compliment from so-called Tree of Liberty.

just for posting about organ-trafficking in Israel & the "Rabbinical" Community.


I will have to start looking for a picture frame to post my bans.

[Hermie]

Tree Of Liberty! ... Haw! Haw! Haw!

Self-righteous deluded fools along with some devious and dishonest 'handlers' to steer things.

Another demonstration of why Americans are so misinformed about Civic and Spiritual affairs.

[gunDriller]

i find that the subject of Blood Passover and Organ-Harvesting in the Joo community offer the chance for a virtually guaranteed ban. Even more than the subject of the USS Liberty, or of Israeli involvement in 9-11.

These are some links about Organ-Harvesting, below that a link by Israeli history prof about his book, Blood Passover. He is a difficult source to refute. The Joos don't like that.

I use the spelling Joo to refer to criminals in the Jewish community, separate from Joe 6 Pack Jewish person.

I didn't even look very hard for the articles on organ-harvesting, if you do a simple web search you will find page after page about Israeli & Rabbinical involvement in organ-harvesting.


http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/321-2009-november/6602-israeli-organ-trafficking-and-theft-from-moldova-to-palestine.html
"Israeli Organ Trafficking and Theft: From Moldova to Palestine"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8608053.stm
" Police smash Israeli organ-trafficking ring"

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-police-uncovers-organ-trafficking-ring-in-north-1.905
"Israel police uncovers organ trafficking ring in north"

http://antiisgood.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/two-haifa-men-sentenced-to-jail-for-organ-trafficking/
"Prof. Yehuda Hiss, the director of the Institute of Forensic Medicine at Abu Kabir was under police investigation in 2002 for removing organs from deceased persons without familial consent."

http://www.counterpunch.org/weir08282009.html
"The New "Blood Libel"? Israeli Organ Harvesting By ALISON WEIR "

http://theweek.com/article/index/98972/rabbis-and-organ-trafficking
"Rabbis and organ trafficking"

http://www.slate.com/id/2223559/
"The arrests of rabbis who trafficked body parts uncover more complicated issues.

By Benyamin Cohen"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534838,00.html

"Rabbi Caught in New Jersey Corruption Sting Called Himself Kidney 'Matchmaker' "

Oh, and once again, the old tired attempted defense is used - "Israel immediately accused Bostrom and the newspaper of anti-Semitism".


Blood Passover
by Ariel Toaff
http://bloodpassover.com/index1.htm

about Ariel Toaff - "Ariel Toaff is a professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar Ilan University. He is the son of Elio Toaff, a former Chief Rabbi of Rome."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Toaff

[hoarder]

Sorry you got banned, gundriller. The thread had 89 posts and over a thousand views before it was locked.

[PatColo]

There was that story a few months back, not sure how to find again, but told of a company which had developed shill/sockpuppet management software- marketed to gummits & their spook agencies- kept track of the whole array of variables: name/passwords, associated (proxy) IPs, personality/grammar styles etc.

Just in case it wasn't clear to some already re how seriously TPTB's minions take the task of poisoning grass roots public internet discourse with fake opinion, fraudulent "consensus", focus on "issues" of no concern to TPTB, etc-- [your tax dollars fund] a small army of full time internet frauds there explicitly to foil productive discussion- which risks leading to organized & meaningful action.

For the couple years ending in '04, as a relative blue-piller, I was active in a "democratic" leaning bbs. Woke up to 911 Truth in '04, and eventually began posting about it there, with little regard for the proper "those fascist repugs" tone which is encouraged, as surely as the concurrent 9/11 Commission proceedings were so obviously a bipartisan whitewash. Wasn't long b4 I was unceremoniously banned, after several thousand posts. My first, and first-hand lesson in how fake left-v-right controlled opposition ops worked- in hindsight the forum was shamelessly kosher.

GIM1's co-opting by TPTB appeared more gradual but it was certainly complete by 11/09 when the shills had plainly gained ["covert"] control of the asylum, & I got banned for being too effective in shill abatement & truth dissemination.

@ Makow yesterday,


Exposed! The Left vs. Right Political Charade (http://www.henrymakow.com/the_left-right_political_chara.html)

July 3, 2011
http://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/cnn%20v%20fox%20article.jpg
[Left vs Right] "accurately reflects our careful, artificial polarization of the population on phony issues that prevents the issue of our [money] power from arising in their minds."




Excerpt from "The Occult Technology of Power," (http://www.rexresearch.com/articles/ocultech.htm#3) a manual published in 1974 that purports to instruct an Illuminati heir.






Through systematic infiltration of all major intellectual, political, and ideological organizations, using the lure of financial support and instant publicity, we have been able to set the limits of public debate within the ideological requirements of our money power.

The so-called Left-Right political spectrum is our creation. In fact, it accurately reflects our careful, artificial polarization of the population on phony issues that prevents the issue of our power from arising in their minds.

The Left supports civil liberties and opposes economic or entrepreneurial liberty. The Right supports economic liberty and opposes civil liberty. Of course neither can exist fully (which is our goal) without the other. We control the Right-Left conflict such that both forms of liberty are suppressed to the degree we require.

Our own liberty rests not on legal or moral "rights," but on our control of the government bureaucracy and courts which apply the complex, subjective regulations we dupe the public into supporting for our benefit.

Innumerable meaningless conflicts to divert the attention of the public from our operations find fertile ground in the bitter hatreds of the Right/Left imbroglio. Right and Left are irreconcilable on racial policy, treatment of criminals, law enforcement, pornography, foreign policy, women's lib, and censorship to name just a few issues.

Although censorship in the name of "fairness" has been useful in broadcasting and may yet be required in journalism, we generally do not take sides in these issues. Instead we attempt to prolong the conflicts by supporting both sides as required.

War, of course, is the ultimate diversionary conflict and the health of our system. War provides the perfect cover of emergency and crisis behind which we consolidate our power. Since nuclear war presents dangers even to us, more and more we have resorted to economic crisis, energy shortages, ecological hysteria, and managed political drama to fill the gap. Meaningless, brush fire wars, though, remain useful.

We promote phony free enterprise on the Right and phony democratic socialism on the Left. Thus, we obtain a "free enterprise" whose "competition" is carefully regulated by the bureaucracy we control and whose nationalized enterprises are controlled directly through our government.

In this way we maintain a society in which the basis of our power, legal titles to property and money, remain secure, but in which the peril of free, unregulated competition is avoided and popular sovereignty is nullified.

The democratic process is a sitting duck for our money power. Invariably we determine the candidates of the major parties and then proceed to pick the winners. Any attempts at campaign reforms simply put the rules of the game more firmly under our government's control.

Totalitarianism of the fascist of communist varieties is no danger to us as long as bastions of private property remain to serve as our bases of operation. Totalitarian governments of both Right and Left, because of the vulnerability of their highly visible leaders to party rivals, can be manipulated easily from abroad.

Primarily, totalitarian dictatorships efficiently prevent new money lords that could challenge our power from arising in whole continents, civilizations, and races.

Perhaps a few words on ideology proper are in order before I conclude.

The only valid ideology, of course is rational egoism, that is, the maximization of the individual's gratification by whatever means prove practical. This requires power over nature, especially, when possible, power over other humans who are the most versatile and valuable tools of all.

Fortunately, we do not have a society of egoists. Money lords would be impossible in such a society as the mental spooks and rationalizations by which we characteristically manipulate and deceive would be a laughing stock

Under such circumstances a policy of live and let live or true "laissez-faire" anarchy might be the only alternative. Certainly a hierarchical order would be difficult to maintain by force alone. However, in the current era, while minds are yet in the thrall of altruistic collectivistic, and divine moralistic spooks, the egoist's rational course is to utilize such spooks to control others.

Related:


Makow - The Zionist Billionaires Who Control Politics
http://www.henrymakow.com/koch.html

Corporate Elite Funds far Left & Islam (http://www.henrymakow.com/americas_corporate_elite_funds.html)

Koch Funds the Right (http://www.henrymakow.com/koch.html)

[gunDriller]

Sorry you got banned, gundriller. The thread had 89 posts and over a thousand views before it was locked.

Thanks.

It really is a compliment though - I didn't do anything wrong.

Is there any chance you could re-post my post from that thread here ? They moved it to a part of the website I can't access.

At least until I re-register :-)

[Awoke]

GunDriller, you probably would have gotten away with it a while longer if you had have referred to them as Babylonian Talmudists or Babylonian Occultists.

[keehah]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
No place for anti-semitism on this forum. Bye

Throws a wrench into the whole 'Tree of Liberty' thing for 99% of the population if one is not able to discuss their treatment as goyim or concepts and facts this mafia uses to control.

I guess they mean to use the term 'tree' (in 'Tree of Liberty') only in the Kabbalistic mind control way (Etz haChayim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life_(Kabbalah))).

[madfranks]

Reading this thread, and reading the one locked over at ToL forum, has re-invigorated my desire to really continue studying and researching this topic. I've read a few good books but there are still lots of questions I need to figure out and find answers to. I found hoarder's and End of Day's posts over there to be intelligent and factual, and the refutations were nothing short of ridiculous. Thanks for those links, hoarder.

"Tree of Liberty", what a joke!

[Awoke]

I wasn't going to read that thread, because the ToL has already proven to me a long time ago to be a controlled forum, with mostly a brainwashed membership.

I'm glad I did read through some of it though, because I found this gem in there:




You repeatedly use the words Jew and Gentile as a support for your doctrine. Is that really Truth? Does the underlying meaning of the words you spout truly support it? No.

The word Jew itself is erroneous. A truncated transliteration of a Latin word that has adapted a modern definition that is not supported in Scripture. The word distinctly means Judean--someone of the nation of Judea or of the culture. The Greek word being Ioudaios, a word rooted from the word Ioudaia which is Judea.

Jew does not mean Israelite or Judahite. This is evident in John 7:1 when Jesus was walking in Galilee to be avoid being killed by the Jews (Judeans). Galillee was the home of Israelites as well, but they weren't seeking to kill Him; only the Judeans were seeking to kill Him, so he avoided Judea.

The word Gentile has got to be the most deceptive of all. It is a completely modern fabrication from the transliteration of the Latin adjective gentilis which means 'of or 'belonging to a nation'. The word replaces two different Greek words in the KJV: Hellen and ethnos. Hellen meaning Greek and ethnos meaning nation. The word ethnos does not mean non-Israelite as can succinctly be seen in John 18:35 when Pilot uses the word in reference to the Jews (Judeans).

There is a repeated contrast of two groups in the New Testament because there are two groups being discussed: the divorced house of Israel and the house of Judah. The Greek and Judean contrast is one of many references to these two groups.



Still reading the rest now.

[Awoke]

Hahahaha, this DaytonaBill guy is throwing a major temper tantrum. He is also quoting a translation of the Bible that is called "The Message", which is a watered down interpolation of Holy Scriptures, written for people with poor reading comprehension and a lack of spiritual discernment. It is a very inaccurate book, full of misleading interpretations.

That was entertaining. I really wish I had have gotten involved in that thread before the lock. Funny how they panic and start flinging around the tired old "ANTI-SEMETIC" label.
I guess they never saw the Youtube video "Anti-semetism: It's a trick"

Those guys are wearing the babylonian occultist hexagram in their avatars and signatures, supporting "Israel" and "the people who live in that land" even though the synagogue of Satan has infiltrated that land, and they are serving a satanic regime. They probably had no idea what to think when you said that you would have to support Palestine, Hoarder.

They have no clue that the Seal of Solomon (Star of David) is a pagan symbol.

Emily seems to have her head on straight.


Curious to know how many of our GSus members were involved in that thread? I know Hoarder and GunDriller were, but MrsPaulRevere and Clarity looked familiar. Anyone know?





Also Hoarder, just as a side note, when you were trying to discuss the Khazarians and their conversion to "Judaism" (which was strictly a POLITICAL move), I would say that it was Babylonian Talmudism they converted to, and not true, biblical, Father-inspired faith in accordance with the Torah.

You can bet that the Khazars converted into the same pagan occultism that is mascarading itself today as "Judaism", but is not Judaism.


These guys have no idea that there is only a small minority group of Jews that practice Gods Law in accordance with the Torah, called the Karaite Jews.
They also have no idea that the Synagogue of Satan is calling itself jewish, but is not.
They also have no idea that the Synagogue of Satan is calling the Karaite Jews "Heretics", even though the Karaites are following Gods Law as written, and the SOS are pagans of antiquity.
They have no idea that the modern satanic version of "Judaism" places the twisted scribbling of rabbis in higher esteem than the Holy Scriptures themselves.



You know, I just want to say something here.

The reason Jesus Christ came here was because the people had sinned so much that God could not forgive them anymore, no matter how many goats, cows or chickens they sacrificed. The sins were too many and too grievious to be forgiven by traditional means.
So Christ came, God made Flesh, and died as a final sacrifice to end all sacrifices.
This was essentially a "Clean Slate" for us, as long as we believe in Jesus. I am getting to a point here...

The Babylonian Talmudist Kabbalists had already corrupted the Holy Scriptures and continued worshipping false gods long before Jesus came.

The Anti-Christ was active the very moment that Jesus came. We are warned of this in the scriptures. I used to talk alot about the jewish 5th column, before I realized that it is not actually a jewish 5th column, but is actually the SOS pretending to be jews but are not.

The SOS was at work right away, in the earliest Christian Churches. The point I am trying to make is, the devil is at work all the time, trying to decieve, ceaselessly.




[18] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=69&ch=2&l=18#x) Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist cometh, even now there are become many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last hour.
[19] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=69&ch=2&l=19#x) They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us.




[22] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=69&ch=2&l=22#x) Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son.
[23] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=69&ch=2&l=23#x) Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also.




[3] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=3#x) Dearly beloved, taking all care to write unto you concerning your common salvation, I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.
[4] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=4#x) For certain men are secretly entered in, (who were written of long ago unto this judgment,) ungodly men, turning the grace of our Lord God into riotousness, and denying the only sovereign Ruler, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
[5] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=5#x) I will therefore admonish you, though ye once knew all things, that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, did afterwards destroy them that believed not:


The satanic 5th column was already at work while the apostles were still alive. They knew that, and even went as far as to warn the Christians against falling into traps set by the SOS:



[7] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=69&ch=2&l=7#x) Dearly beloved, I write not a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard.


Meaning live the way Christ taught, the way the Apostles taught. These people were on earth when Christ walked this planet in the Flesh. They heard him speak. They learned directly from him. They are instructed to follow his teachings, and beware of the decievers and the SOS.



[16] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=16#x) These are murmurers, full of complaints, walking according to their own desires, and their mouth speaketh proud things, admiring persons for gain's sake.
[17] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=17#x) But you, my dearly beloved, be mindful of the words which have been spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[18] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=18#x) Who told you, that in the last time there should come mockers, walking according to their own desires in ungodlinesses.
[19] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=19#x) These are they, who separate themselves, sensual men, having not the Spirit.
[20] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=72&ch=1&l=20#x) But you, my beloved, building yourselves upon your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost



Not sure why I posted all this, but I felt like it. I will prpbably end up reading this post later and editing it or something.

[Awoke]

Anyone who is a member on that joke of a forum should PM Clarity and MsPaulRevere and invite them to join GSus.

[Hermie]

"Hahahaha, this DaytonaBill guy is throwing a major temper tantrum."

What an a**hole!
This cluck is either a cement headed know-it-all in a panic because of information you posted and questions you asked that are causing him to crumble inside, or he is a handler and steerer from the Tribe and is doing his job of blocking all true information.

I imagine him standing on a chair holding his skirts, screaming out his replies.

As I said earlier in this thread, "The Tree of Liberty! Haw! Haw! Haw!"

Really, what is more laughably sad than self righteous smug fools who will not see they are deluded...
(Also, just the type who would be done some good by a punch in the face.)

The original post was appreciated and thanks for the adventure.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Interesting Facts About Israel

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=142781

[hoarder]

Also Hoarder, just as a side note, when you were trying to discuss the Khazarians and their conversion to "Judaism" (which was strictly a POLITICAL move), I would say that it was Babylonian Talmudism they converted to, and not true, biblical, Father-inspired faith in accordance with the Torah."Officially" the Talmud existed a hundred or so years before the Khazars converted, but I believe it was the other way around, meaning that Khazars redefined "Judaism" to suit them after they adopted the shield of Jewish identity.

[Canadian-guerilla]

"Officially" the Talmud existed a hundred or so years before the Khazars converted, but I believe it was the other way around, meaning that Khazars redefined "Judaism" to suit them after they adopted the shield of Jewish identity.

do you have a rough guesstimate date for this ?

[hoarder]

do you have a rough guesstimate date for this ?I really don't have anything but speculation.
"Documented history" tells us the Babylonian Talmud came into existence about 1100 years ago and that the Khazars converted about 1000 years ago.

We know the modus operandi of the Khazars.
We know the Talmud is grounded in racial supremacy.
It does not make sense for Semitic Jews to adopt the Babylonian Talmud and then allow another race into their tribe.
It makes much more sense that Khazars simply switched the dates around to make it appear that the Talmud existed before they converted.

[gunDriller]

"Officially" the Talmud existed a hundred or so years before the Khazars converted, but I believe it was the other way around, meaning that Khazars redefined "Judaism" to suit them after they adopted the shield of Jewish identity.

it was basically a crime gang looking for a religion.

a marriage made in - well, not Heaven.

[hoarder]

I stirred up a hornets nest and they threatened to ban me. Maybe someone else needs to join TOL and carry the torch into the future. My days are numbered.

[Spectrism]

I stirred up a hornets nest and they threatened to ban me. Maybe someone else needs to join TOL and carry the torch into the future. My days are numbered.

I don't think so. I called Maximillian onto the carpet.

[hoarder]

I don't think so. I called Maximillan onto the carpet.Good job! I still think my days are numbered, though. With irrational moderators it's just a matter of catching them in the wrong mood.

[Spectrism]

Good job! I still think my days are numbered, though. With irrational moderators it's just a matter of catching them in the wrong mood.

I have been attacked by moderators there. I always keep cool and appeal to THE authority. The moderators will blow away when they are wrong.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Interesting Facts About Israel

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=142781

Wow - who would of thought? I'll bet ultra-Zionists that read that have to smoke a cigarette and play with their hair when they finish.

[hoarder]

I have been attacked by moderators there. I always keep cool and appeal to THE authority. The moderators will blow away when they are wrong.Who is THE authority?

[Spectrism]

Who is THE authority?

My Messiah... of course. He is my Master. If anyone messes with me, they must go through Him first. When I step out of line, He lets me have it. Those who are truly washed in His blood must obey Him.

[madfranks]

I personally like this one, it shows their true colors:

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1574458&postcount=42



I don't claim to know everything. My mind is open. I'm learning. But I think It's time to rule out the Khazars as the true Israel. I hope we can discuss this objectively so we all may learn something.


Make another negative comment about Israel or the jews and your gone...

[Book]

I personally like this one, it shows their true colors:

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1574458&postcount=42



WOW. When I posted this thread OP even I didn't expect them to be this blatant about it.

:o exposes how these "American Patriot" websites are really just shilling for israel. we are doomed.

[joboo]

Post some of these quotes...

"Palestine is not an empty country . . . on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants." Ben-Gurion often returned to this point, emphasizing that Palestinian Arabs had "the full right" to an independent economic, cultural, and communal life, but not political. -David Ben Gurion (Shabtai Teveth (http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story795.html), p. 37-39)"

"The world will not permit the Jewish people to seize the state as a spoil, by force." Second the Jewish people did not have the means to do so. And third and most important, it would be immoral, and the Jews of the world would never by this immoral cause. "We would then be unable to awaken the necessary forces for building the country among thousands of young people. We would not be able to secure necessary means from the Jewish people, and the moral and the political sustenance of the enlightened world. . . . Our conscience must be clean . . . -David Ben Gurion (Shabtai Teveth (http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story795.html), p. 97)"

"our sense of morality forbids us to deny the right of a single [Palestinian] Arab child, even though by such denial we might attain all that we seek." -David Ben Gurion (Shabtai Teveth (http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story795.html), p. 159)"

"“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
-David Ben Gurion”"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aTuF2gczjM

[Neuro]

"Officially" the Talmud existed a hundred or so years before the Khazars converted, but I believe it was the other way around, meaning that Khazars redefined "Judaism" to suit them after they adopted the shield of Jewish identity.

I have lately considered, that the Khazars, were probably heavily infiltrated by the biblical pharisees from Babylon. After the Khazar royal family was lured into accepting Judaism as religion, they probably had a large proportion of pharisees immigrating to Khazaria (a la Palestine post WWII), marrying into the Royal family, exiling and killing important goys resisting their rule, keeping the rest as slaves in their own land. There is some research suggesting that Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews sharing common ancestors/genes, certainly that may be a fabrication, but I would not rule out that it is factual either. In my opinion it would make sense for the pharisees to move into a land, nominally jewish, that derive a lot of income, through taxing the trade between east and west, north and south, and the Talmud was the cookbook describing how to take over power, from the poorly organized goys of Khazaria...

[MAGNES]

Very interesting , alls you have to do is corrupt the top and knock
off some leaders, totally change the forums, we have seen that before,
in real life too. If you went back to old threads you would see lots of
banned and lots of good info outing the neocons most likely.

What if there was a strong poster over there on NeoConArtist criminals,
who would they side with, Feith/Israel or the USA being destroyed by
criminals from within ?

Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?46962-Christians-in-Jerusalem-want-Jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them)

Ashkenazi Vs Sephardim Racism In Israel (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?30030-Ashkenazi-Vs-Sephardim-Racism-In-Israel)

DHS partners with Jewish organizations (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?50935-DHS-partners-with-Jewish-organizations)

" GOOD CHRISTIAN B*TCHES " ABC TV SERIES (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?50043-quot-GOOD-CHRISTIAN-B*TCHES-quot-ABC-TV-SERIES)

What do they think of Israel and the Masonic Supreme Court ?

and so on ...

http://theforbiddentruth.net/umg_gallery/images/0/1/original/190_zionistneoconrightwingloonies.jpg

[hoarder]

I have lately considered, that the Khazars, were probably heavily infiltrated by the biblical pharisees from Babylon. After the Khazar royal family was lured into accepting Judaism as religion, they probably had a large proportion of pharisees immigrating to Khazaria (a la Palestine post WWII), marrying into the Royal family, exiling and killing important goys resisting their rule, keeping the rest as slaves in their own land. There is some research suggesting that Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews sharing common ancestors/genes, certainly that may be a fabrication, but I would not rule out that it is factual either. In my opinion it would make sense for the pharisees to move into a land, nominally jewish, that derive a lot of income, through taxing the trade between east and west, north and south, and the Talmud was the cookbook describing how to take over power, from the poorly organized goys of Khazaria...I have read quite a few theories about Khazars being manipulated by other entities but I always come back to the fact that they are the worlds greatest manipulators themselves. Anything is possible, though.

[hoarder]

Here we go again:

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1575602&posted=1#post1575602

[Neuro]

I have read quite a few theories about Khazars being manipulated by other entities but I always come back to the fact that they are the worlds greatest manipulators themselves. Anything is possible, though.
Well very little remains written about them. I would be surprised though if a Judaic homeland existed in a strategic part of central Asia and a good number of babylonian moneychangers didn't find it prudent to settle there and get the most out of it. I find the opposite theory, that the Khazars consisted mainly of converts in the original population, less likely. They probably did back then with Khazaria, what they have done today with Palestine. They simply stole it from the original population...

[Horn]

Here we go again:

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1575602&posted=1#post1575602

Where's those page links to many of the worlds top scientists being lost to some suicide or accidental death?

That would kill the thread fairly quick. >:D

[hoarder]

I find the opposite theory, that the Khazars consisted mainly of converts in the original population, less likely. They probably did back then with Khazaria, what they have done today with Palestine. They simply stole it from the original population...I believe that common ancestry is what keeps the tribe powerful and loyal within itself.


The Jewish World, December 14th, 1922: "The Jew remains a Jew, even when he changes his religion; a Christian who adopts the Jewish religion would not thereby become a Jew, because the quality of the Jew does not lie in the Religion, but in the Race, and a Jew free-thinker atheist remains as much a Jew as any Rabbi."

Your theory, as I understand it, that this tribe had another identity before being known as Khazars has potential. We already know they are self identifying racists regardless of what overt identity or religion they have. THEY know who they are regardless of what they are known as.

[MAGNES]

@ Nero and Hoarder, have a look at the thread I posted above about Israel,
how it is divided along Jewish racial lines, with a book on Khazars written by
Jewish historian included.

Who are the Khazars ? What is their history ? The history of this area is known
but it is very fluid.

The greatest enemies Europe ever had come from this area.

Hun is a Turkic language, the Huns came from the same area.
Mongol invasions came in waves of destruction. The area changed
over time. The Ottomans, Turks, came from this area later on.
The original inhabitants were Europeans or related to Europeans,
they were not Asians, nor Semitic, nor Mongol. The Mongols attacked
and destroyed the whole area, a belt going from Europe, West all the
way to China, remember all those countries right across Southern Russia,
they are Turkic with Mongol invasions. Mongols invaded and destroyed
the Arabs too, even Saddam talked about this telling Iraqi's " the USA
will do to us what the Mongols did " and he was right.

From Ancient times the Greeks refer to this area as Scythians,
a general term used to describe the brutal barbarian tribes to the north
and east. The Greeks knew them well, the whole Black Sea was Greek
city states in Ancient times, right up to modern times even. They were very warlike,
tribal, with very brutal and savage customs, including blood rituals, human sacrifice.

The Vikings became Christians, the Russians were born, they became Christians,
from then on they could not attack Europe for slaves and booty. Charles the Great
put a stop to this. The borders became more defined.

The Area of Khazaria had to deal with the Vikings/Christians to the North
and East, and the Arabs to the south who they did fight, as Ottomans they fought
them again, some converted and became Muslims, and we have the well known Turks.

So the Khazars made a choice and became " Jewish ".
They were proud warlike peoples and they didn't want
to be swallowed up by those around them, raiding and booty
was a big part of their existence, the proof is in all the different
peoples that came out of this area. Huns, Turks, Ottomans, Askenazi.

The makeup of the people changed over time.

Lots of related overlapping material I already posted.

HOW THE IRISH SAVED CIVILIZATION (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?45892-HOW-THE-IRISH-SAVED-CIVILIZATION)

Eustace Mullins: NEW HISTORY OF THE JEWS (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40651-Eustace-Mullins-NEW-HISTORY-OF-THE-JEWS)

WHITE GOLD One Million White Slaves (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?46709-WHITE-GOLD-One-Million-White-Slaves)

In many cases Jews and Muslims were allied in attacking and destroying Europe.
This can be shown even with known history but it is not PC. In White Gold the Turks
are clearly the head leaders, who themselves are penetrated and do favors for Jews
and work with them, in North Africa raiding Southern Europe and even the UK,
Jews were the money men, financiers and Treasurers for the Muslims enslaving
Christians and attacking Europe. They were given freedom, acted in leadership
positions, connected to the Ottoman Empire, as the Christians were enslaved
and outright murdered by the city load.

[gunDriller]

I have read quite a few theories about Khazars being manipulated by other entities but I always come back to the fact that they are the worlds greatest manipulators themselves. Anything is possible, though.

humans manipulate humans, that's not necessarily bad.

but to see the Nation's Founders - who were really some independent folks - used as a backdrop for a Faux Christian 110% pro-Judeo-fascism forum ... VOMIT.

[Horn]

Who are the Khazars ? What is their history ? The history of this area is known
but it is very fluid.

The greatest enemies Europe ever had come from this area.

Are you suggesting it is an "armpit" of the Caucasian race?

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/wp-content/uploads/caucasus.gif

[Hermie]

Here we go again:

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1575602&posted=1#post1575602

This Hunybee sounds like someone called MemphisBelle from years ago on FreeRepublic.
Same demanding of answers that are in agreement with her stated opinions or else you are an interloper who must be driven out.

And I can see the guards standing around watching that thread for any heresy.
Ready to swoop in...
"Take off your cap and bow before THE JEWS!! peasant."

Hoarder, I give you great credit for your attempts at offering Truth.
And great credit for forbearance in the presence of closed minded, smug, intolerant fools.
They are ridiculous.

[hoarder]

I'm sure there are plenty of fence-sitters on the Khazar issue. Some read those threads and don't comment. It's always worth my time to plant a few seeds of thought. Many of us were smug and intolerant before we weren't. I think we should be thankful we have the internet where we can keep plugging away. If each of us can wake up 6 people a year, the truth will gain momentum as some of those do the same.

[gunDriller]

I'm sure there are plenty of fence-sitters on the Khazar issue. Some read those threads and don't comment. It's always worth my time to plant a few seeds of thought. Many of us were smug and intolerant before we weren't. I think we should be thankful we have the internet where we can keep plugging away. If each of us can wake up 6 people a year, the truth will gain momentum as some of those do the same.

i think it's important to engage in this activity in a time-effective manner - so that it doesn't consume hours of one's time !

for example -
* starting threads, instead of replying to the Noise that inevitably occurs after you tell the truth.
* then the time goes into writing a well-referenced factual impossible-to-refute post.
* not replying to replies right away. let it sit for a day ... "it will come to you". you will see another thread, possibly on G-S.us, that has material that is relevant to the thread at the Israeli troll forum. a quick copy-paste and the thread is kept alive, right on the front page.

[hoarder]

i think it's important to engage in this activity in a time-effective manner - so that it doesn't consume hours of one's time !

for example -
* starting threads, instead of replying to the Noise that inevitably occurs after you tell the truth.
* then the time goes into writing a well-referenced factual impossible-to-refute post.
* not replying to replies right away. let it sit for a day ... "it will come to you". you will see another thread, possibly on G-S.us, that has material that is relevant to the thread at the Israeli troll forum. a quick copy-paste and the thread is kept alive, right on the front page.Good points. Another good strategy is to reply several days or weeks later, thus reviving the thread. I keep forgetting to do this. Maybe I should occasionally just pull up the list of my threads and add something relevant.
Time spent exposing the Khazar disaster is time well spent if you can spare it.
The JIDF crew usually pounces on such threads all at once, with their usual outrage and name-calling, then if it dies they usually let it slip away. The initial surge of posts often serves to rush us into making sloppy posts.
They know the tricks but the truth is on our side.

[gunDriller]

>> Good points.

Thanks !

>> Another good strategy is to reply several days or weeks later, thus reviving the thread. I keep forgetting to do this. Maybe I should occasionally just pull up the list of my threads and add something relevant.

yes, that is very time effective. no need to say anything more than, "thanks to So-and-So for the thoughtful replies".

>> They know the tricks but the truth is on our side.

they probably even have seminars on the subject.


i was thinking of posting about this thread at TreeofLiberty, to try and expose some of the more honest members over there to real history.

[Neuro]

@ Nero and Hoarder, have a look at the thread I posted above about Israel,
how it is divided along Jewish racial lines, with a book on Khazars written by Jewish historian included.
IMO the book by the Jewish Historian Koestler about the Khazars, indicates the possibility that the Khazar trace is disinformation. The reason? To hide the real extent of the Jewish powertake, and how long it has been ongoing. Further it may be an attempt at showing the world that Judaism is split... I don't think it is, however it seems that Jews coming from families who were in Khazaria, are especially skilled in the world domination game. So a hundred years after the Talmud was created, a whole country right next to Babylon is converted to Talmudism? I don't believe that. The Talmud in itself would clearly state that is impossible, Goys can't do that, you know...

[hoarder]

The Arthur Koestler "Thirteenth Tribe" book is only useful because of the documentation showing "Jews" to be Khazars. Most of the second half of the book is typical damage control supporting holocaustianity and other hoaxes.
Shlomo Sand wrote "The Invention of the Jewish People" which also demonstrates that "Jews" are Khazars and likewise, he filled his book with similar damage control.

This is typical void-filling, a strategy that most goyim cannot even comprehend. If a goy had written a well documented book showing the Jews to be Khazars it would have been much more damaging.

[gunDriller]

IMO the book by the Jewish Historian Koestler about the Khazars, indicates the possibility that the Khazar trace is disinformation. The reason? To hide the real extent of the Jewish powertake, and how long it has been ongoing. Further it may be an attempt at showing the world that Judaism is split... I don't think it is, however it seems that Jews coming from families who were in Khazaria, are especially skilled in the world domination game. So a hundred years after the Talmud was created, a whole country right next to Babylon is converted to Talmudism? I don't believe that. The Talmud in itself would clearly state that is impossible, Goys can't do that, you know...

WOW - good points.

one of the things that was described in the book, "Adolf Hitler, Founder of Israel", was the inter-Jew rivalry & racism that existed in Europe before World War 2. The Khazars (Ashkenazi) vs. Western European Jews who tended to look down on the Ashkenazi. The Western European Jews were much wealthier; the Ashkenazi deeply resented this internecine / inter-Joo racism.

the Ashkenazi were much more keen on the idea of Israel. the Western Europen Jews didn't want to leave Europe for the fvcking desert, and were a substantial political obstacle to the Zionists.

as described in "The Transfer Agreements", the Israel supporters negotiated with WW2 for Jews who didn't want to move to Israel - to be left behind in Europe.

the emigration rate at the beginning of WW2 - about 3000 a day to the US, about 300 a day to Palestine.


my guess is that, some of the plundering - removing gold from dead Jews - was done by other Jews.

overall, it was not one big happy family.


BUT, tying it together were the Rothschild's. also, after WW2, i think Jewish people tended to behave more monolithically - fewer of them opposed Israel.

[Neuro]

The Arthur Koestler "Thirteenth Tribe" book is only useful because of the documentation showing "Jews" to be Khazars. Most of the second half of the book is typical damage control supporting holocaustianity and other hoaxes.
Shlomo Sand wrote "The Invention of the Jewish People" which also demonstrates that "Jews" are Khazars and likewise, he filled his book with similar damage control.

This is typical void-filling, a strategy that most goyim cannot even comprehend. If a goy had written a well documented book showing the Jews to be Khazars it would have been much more damaging.
So do you believe that Jews are Khazars, based on these two Jewish disinformation artist tales. Exactly what type of documentation do these Authors refer to, to prove that Jews are Khazars, and not recycled Babylonian Talmudists, that are recycled Biblical Pharisees?

[Awoke]

Just wanted to say Hoarder, not to be arguementative, but just sayin....

The Scribe and Pharisees were already corrupt before Christ came here to us. Whether the "actual" Talmud officially came to exist 1100 years ago or not, the kabbalistic babylonian rites of satanism had had been around for thousands of years previous to that.

Is is the ancient satanism that inspires the talmud. I personally do not believe that the Khazars converted to "judaism" and then corrupted it into Talmudism. It was corrupted by the deceiver long before then. Satanism pre-dates the Khazars.

[hoarder]

You guys may be on to something. I haven't studied the Pharisees.

[hoarder]

So do you believe that Jews are Khazars, based on these two Jewish disinformation artist tales. Exactly what type of documentation do these Authors refer to, to prove that Jews are Khazars, and not recycled Babylonian Talmudists, that are recycled Biblical Pharisees?Jews are not Khazars, Khazars pretend to be Jews. There is no benefit to Jews by pretending to be Khazars, but there is much benefit to Khazars by pretending to be Jews.

As to who the Khazars were before they were Khazars, I have no opinion.

[sirgonzo420]

You guys may be on to something. I haven't studied the Pharisees.


The "jews" of today are ideologically descended from the pharisees (the crafters/supporters of the talmud).

Elizabeth Dilling's book covers this and other topics quite extensively.

It can be read, in full, here: www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html (http://gold-silver.us/forum/www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html)

[Hermie]

The "jews" of today are ideologically descended from the pharisees (the crafters/supporters of the talmud).

Elizabeth Dilling's book covers this and other topics quite extensively.

It can be read, in full, here: www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html (http://gold-silver.us/forum/www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html)

Your link would not connect me.
This one did:
http://www.come-and-hear.com/

[sirgonzo420]

thanks.

I'm not sure how my link got botched up.

[Neuro]

Jews are not Khazars, Khazars pretend to be Jews. There is no benefit to Jews by pretending to be Khazars, but there is much benefit to Khazars by pretending to be Jews.

As to who the Khazars were before they were Khazars, I have no opinion.
So do you think it is likely that the Talmudists in Babylon, who created the Talmud, a century before Khazaria became Jewish, would sit along silently when the Khazar goys hijacked their cookbook for world domination and racial supremacist ideology?

Or is it more likely that the Babylonian Talmudists hijacked Khazaria in their ambitions for world domination?

[hoarder]

So do you think it is likely that the Talmudists in Babylon, who created the Talmud, a century before Khazaria became Jewish, would sit along silently when the Khazar goys hijacked their cookbook for world domination and racial supremacist ideology?

Or is it more likely that the Babylonian Talmudists hijacked Khazaria in their ambitions for world domination?There is only one group of common ancestry behind the world domination agenda, they change their identity as is expedient to improve their position strategically.
It does not make sense that a racially motivated tribe would include another in such an agenda.

[midnight rambler]

There is only one group of common ancestry behind the world domination agenda, they change their identity as is expedient to improve their position strategically.
It does not make sense that a racially motivated tribe would include another in such an agenda.

Think DNA, genetics, and racial identity. It's in the bloodlines.

[gunDriller]

There is only one group of common ancestry behind the world domination agenda, they change their identity as is expedient to improve their position strategically.
It does not make sense that a racially motivated tribe would include another in such an agenda.

but they do include other races.

the price for entry into the Cabal is to profess and to then repeatedly demonstrate allegiance to the Cabal.

e.g. Saudi Royal Family, British Royal Family.

e.g. the Bushes - and Condoleeza Rice.


as another example, i was offered an audience with Michael Ovitz in an interview with the US gov. in 1994. they saw some of my computer graphics work in an advertisement i ran in the phone book, & came a-knocking.

i got through 2 interviews but felt zero kinship or fellowship with the people that interviewed me. the intelligence of both male interviewers was impressive. in one of the interviewers, there was a woman interviewer who tagged along, she didn't say much.

Ovitz was the most powerful agent in Hollywood at the agent. offering me an audience with Hollywood Agent #1 - during a tech interview ... as if i was a tap-dancer ?


(well, i did take a tap-dancing class once ... separate story.)


the guy asked me to send me his resume after the second interview ... i never followed up.

obviously the interviews made an impression. it gave me some insight into the recruiting habits of the Talmud-worshippers.

if they think that you have skills that they need - they come a knocking.

but you also have to fit in, to their own corporate culture. crime gang culture, whatever.


they made reference to Israel in the first interview. i was clueless about Israel. they said, "we have a large base in the Mid-East."

they also asked me about the JFK assassination. i said to the guy's face, "you guys did it, didn't you ?"

he had withheld that question to the end of about a 2 hour interview, which was my first meeting with the Talmud Worshippers Human Resources department.

he didn't look too happy when i said that - but they did invite me back for a second interview.


regardless of which labels we use, Talmudic Judaism & the Khazars was like mixing sodium & water ... or gasoline vapors & flame ... whichever metaphor you want to use.

crime gang masquerading as a religion = Talmud Judaism. it pre-existed the Diaspora of the Jews to Khazaria, but it became a much more powerful crime gang then.

fascinating subject, isn't it ?

[Horn]

I would think they include other races, if only to teach the tricks of the trade & for indebtedness.

[mick silver]

Are They "Jews" or Are They Really Khazars?

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/khazars.html

[mick silver]

By Warrant of Rev. 2:9

The Campaign for Radical Truth in History

http://www.hoffman-info-com

New York Times Reveals that European-Descended Jews are Counterfeits and have no Blood line to Abraham

The fact that most of those who call themselves Jews are not Jews (Rev. 2:9) and have no claim to the lands of Palestine because they have no genetic relation to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob can no longer be suppressed. The October 29, 1996 N.Y. Times, in an article entitled, "Scholars Debate Origins of Yiddish and the Migrations of Jews," states:

"Arching over these questions is the central mystery of just where the Jews of Eastern Europe came from. Many historians believe that there were not nearly enough Jews in Western Europe to account for the huge population that later flourished in Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine and nearby areas.

"By reconstructing the Yiddish mother tongue, linguists hope to plot the migration of the Jews and their language with a precision never possible before.

"It has even been suggested, on the basis of linguistic evidence, that the Jews of Eastern Europe were not predominantly part of the diaspora from the Middle East, but were members of another ethnic group that adopted Judaism.

"...One linguist has recently argued that Yiddish began as a Slavic language that was 'relexified,' with most of its vocabulary replaced with German words.

"...Even more troublesome are demographic studies indicating that during the Middle Ages there were no more than 25,000 to 35,000 Jews in Western Europe. These figures are hard to reconcile with other studies showing that by the 17th century there were hundreds of thousands of Jews in Eastern Europe.

"...Some scholars believe the roots of Yiddish, and even the Ashkenazic people themselves, lie much farther east. In his 1976 book, The Thirteenth Tribe, Arthur Koestler made the startling suggestion, never taken seriously by linguists, that the Eastern European Jews were not really Semitic -- that they were largely descended from the Turkish Khazars, who converted en masse to Judaism in medieval times.

"More recently, Koestler's controversial thesis has been revived and expanded in a 1993 book, The Ashkenazic 'Jews': A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity (Slavica Publishers), by Dr. Paul Wexler, a Tel Aviv University linguist.

"Wexler uses a reconstruction of Yiddish to argue that it began as a Slavic language whose vocabulary was largely replaced with German words. Going even further, he contends that the Ashkenazic Jews are predominantly converted Slavs and Turks who merged with a tiny population of Palestinian Jews from the Diaspora."

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[hoarder]

but they do include other races.

the price for entry into the Cabal is to profess and to then repeatedly demonstrate allegiance to the Cabal.

e.g. Saudi Royal Family, British Royal Family.

e.g. the Bushes - and Condoleeza Rice.They USE other races...see "the agentur" in the Protocols. I'm not sure about Condoleeza Rice but the rest are covert Khazars.
Remember there are overt "Jews" and covert "Jews".

[Awoke]

So do you think it is likely that the Talmudists in Babylon, who created the Talmud, a century before Khazaria became Jewish, would sit along silently when the Khazar goys hijacked their cookbook for world domination and racial supremacist ideology?

Or is it more likely that the Babylonian Talmudists hijacked Khazaria in their ambitions for world domination?

Satan has no ties to any gene pool or race.
The satanic Khazars can carry out his dark work just as well as the Babylonian talmudists, just as well as the zombie witch-doctors in Haiti.

Satan doesn't give a shit who is a jew, who is a khazarian, who is a russian, etc. He only cares about keeping people's souls away from God, and will use any means of deception to attain that goal.

Satan has no loyalties except unto himself.

[MAGNES]

The "jews" of today are ideologically descended from the pharisees (the crafters/supporters of the talmud).


Ideologically is the key word, I would only add most of the Jews
do not know and understand this, their leaders the Rabbi's understand
this and direct the whole show, the Rabbi's are mostly teachers,
like us many Jews figure it out.

The Khazars converted for a reason, not all of them joined the Khazar Royalty.

The Khazars were a gang and they wanted to remain a gang.

The history I gave fits with a lot of what we know and peoples ideas on here.

Also, the book I posted is a better source for many reasons, the history is making
the mainstream slowly, Jews may be offended that are confronted with their Khazar history,
many vehemently deny it. but many know of it and are proud, the author historian is Jewish
or he is very pro Jewish, his name is Brook and he is amazed and proud of the Jewish
Khazar history, then add to that all the positive Jewish book reviews by Jewish Profs.

So anyone calls you a loon, that is a good book to post.

And there are no Jew genes, Jews have the genes from their host population.
This is corroborated when you can show the area called Khazaria at one point
in history produced 90% of the world's Jews.

http://www.khazaria.com/brook.html


JEWISH SCHOLARS ON KHAZARS

Below are some reviews of the 1st edition:

"It makes skillful use of the vast literature, in many different languages, related to the Khazars. It will be a very helpful guide for the general reader who wishes to discover the truth about this legendary people." - John D. Klier, Professor of Modern Jewish History, University College, London

"Kevin Alan Brook has put together an absorbing account of their history based on this wide array of sources, supplemented by archaeological, ethnographic and linguistic data dealing with Khazar Jewry and their legacy. This is a most useful introduction to this at times enigmatic, but always fascinating people." - Peter B. Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University

"...[a] very valuable publication..." - Timur Kocaoglu, Associate Professor of Central Asian Studies, Koç University, Istanbul

"...it is a magnificent piece of work and fills many gaps in my knowledge of the Khazars..." - Rabbi Shlomo Yaffe, Director, Institute for Jewish Literacy at Chabad House, West Hartford, CT

"My general impression is very good: the volume of information collected from various sources is very important and this info is presented in a systematic manner. The book is also interesting to read... [T]his [is an] important erudite contribution to the domain in which any theory is questionable and as a result any attempt to shed more light is welcome." - Alexander Beider, author, A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames from the Russian Empire

"[I] am impressed with the scope of [the] research and the fascinating possibilities it presents regarding the nature and origins of the Ashkenazic Jewish community.... The Khazars are an important and a neglected area of research." - Hollace Weiner, author, Jewish Stars in Texas

"Brook has synthesized information from hundreds of sources to give us a picture of this lost medieval Jewish empire. Not only is Brook's book interesting for its information about Central Asian and European history, it also holds great importance for its facts and conjecture about the origins of Eastern European Jewry... Aside from its well-organized text, The Jews of Khazaria has an excellent chronology, glossary, and an extensive bibliography... Anyone who cares about world history or Jewish history would do well to read Brook's amazing book." - Lynda Ritterman, in Inside Your Town (Evesham-Medford-Mt. Laurel-Cherry Hill-Voorhees-Haddonfield-Moorestown, NJ, March 2001 issue)

"Kevin Alan Brook presents the findings of an impressive array of scholarship, referencing primary sources and secondary scholarship written in Hebrew, Arabic, Greek, Armenian, Russian, Hungarian, Swedish and other languages.... A highly useful, comprehensive chronology is given as an appendix.... Far from being [merely] a romantic interlude whose brief existence sparked the imagination of generations, Brook's volume shows that the Khazar experience is intrinsic to the narrative of Jewish history." - Seth Ward, Assistant Professor of Judaic Studies and History, University of Denver, in The Jewish Quarterly Review 91:3-4 (January-April 2001 issue)

"I very much enjoyed reading [this] book on the Khazars." - Ken Blady, author of Jewish Communities in Exotic Places

"...the true great step forward in the study of Khazaria... It is a very complete work, based on broad documentation from multiple sources (Hebraic, Arab, Russian)...." - Claude-Gérard Marcus, in L'Arche: le mensuel du judaïsme français No. 535 (September 2002 issue)

"...a new recapitulatory work... which summarizes all the current research well and which might thus become the standard work for all those who are interested in the early history of East European Judaism." - Thomas Schmidinger, in Context XXI (Vienna, Austria, July 2002) No. 7

[Awoke]

Nice signature Magnes.

[Neuro]

Satan has no ties to any gene pool or race.
The satanic Khazars can carry out his dark work just as well as the Babylonian talmudists, just as well as the zombie witch-doctors in Haiti.

Satan doesn't give a shit who is a jew, who is a khazarian, who is a russian, etc. He only cares about keeping people's souls away from God, and will use any means of deception to attain that goal.

Satan has no loyalties except unto himself.
I don't know about satan, I am more interested in finding out what really happened in Khazaria. No doubt the Babylonian talmudist may be satanist, but that doesn't mean there is a character called satan backing them up. I think they just cooked up a set of rules, that would lead them to world domination, and they are well on their way. I could be wrong though...

[Awoke]

That's fine. This is not the thread to get into it, so I will just say that I recognize this as a spiritual battle, and satan is working all the levers and buttons on the dark side.

But Neuro, I am a Christian. If you're not a Christian, that would explain why you don't see it the way I do.

[MAGNES]

As to who the Khazars were before they were Khazars, I have no opinion.

Who the Khazars were before they were Khazars, it all fits, the Rabbi's
lucked out, it was a union made in hell for Europeans, they couldn't of picked
a more strategic group, and a willing and eager host, they were very warlike and brutal peoples with brutal traditions and history, all the crazy stuff Jews do and believe, voodoo, blood rituals, brutality, it makes you wonder where this stuff really comes from, the Middle East or Khazaria. The Khazars were just as nutzo if not more, they make the " Jews " of the Middle East look good and I ain't saying that to be funny either.

It is very interesting and I believe no coincidence that the Talmud, Kahballah,
even the King James Bible are finalized shortly after this time, the KJV is probably
the most corrupt of all translations from a new Hebrew language and writing,
the Hebrew it was translated from is not the Hebrew in ancient times, the Jews
had to reinvent that too. And much of their history they promote most likely
was changed to account for the new reality of a Khazar home base.

The Khazars had learned men with books from god telling them
they are chosen and perpetual " War on Rome " is sanctioned.

Legitimizing their past history of pillage and future conquests.

EDIT ADD,
Putting everything in perspective, the Khazars, others, were peoples of their time,
Mongol history troubles me, the Europeans were brutal too, the Greeks were also
pirates but they were choir boys when it came to numbers and magnitude, the
Dorians of the Mediterranean were pirates, one difference is they write their history
as just that, and later Western Philosophers had a lot to say, that ain't Justice.

[Awoke]

By the way Hoarder and GunDriller - Are you guys still actively posting there?
I just tried logging in and my account is still active, so I can post there as well. Not that I am interested in that forum, but if you needed any backup, etc.

[Neuro]

That's fine. This is not the thread to get into it, so I will just say that I recognize this as a spiritual battle, and satan is working all the levers and buttons on the dark side.

But Neuro, I am a Christian. If you're not a Christian, that would explain why you don't see it the way I do.
I guess I am not a Christian. Nevertheless I am trying to avoid doing evil deeds, and I would like to know the truth. I have no problem seeing the greedy moneychangers, the pharisees of the new testament as factual, they have continued that tradition. I guess I would accept Satan as real, if Satan is an emotion, possible in every humans heart, rather than a mythical being.

[MAGNES]

By Warrant of Rev. 2:9

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http://www.hoffman-info-com



Yiddish was actually used right across many countries in Europe, North and East,
Jews from Germany to Russia used Yiddish as their language of communication.

Europe has another Jewish language in South West, I think it is called Ladino.

Hebrew was not used, this is a new thing. Modern Hebrew and Ancient Hebrew
not the same as well, Ancient Hebrew is a dead language even Jews can't read.

Yiddish has to have a root somewhere, maybe it is Turkic.
I would guess it is related to European languages.

Root languages deteriorate and burrow from others over time, they
become the local vernacular, till literature was created, to standardize.
All European languages have this history.

Hun from historians has been confirmed to be a Turkic language.

Maybe Yiddish is related to Turkic, going that far back, burrowing
from others over time, deterioration, it changes, especially if you are
living next to or in a culturally superior people who have their own
language and literature.

I actually studied European languages but Yiddish and Turkic was
not a part of the studies.

When people hear Turkic, they think of Turkey, which has it's own very
unique and peculiar history, and this confuses everything.

here is my google search, 6 million results, wholly smokes, LOLZ !
jewish language spanish vernacular
http://www.google.com/search?q=jewish+language+spanish+vernacular&hl=en&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

[sirgonzo420]

Yiddish was actually used right across many countries in Europe, North and East,
Jews from Germany to Russia used Yiddish as their language of communication.

Hebrew was not, this is a new thing. Modern Hebrew and Ancient Hebrew
not the same as well, Ancient Hebrew is a dead language even Jews can't read.

Yiddish has to have a root somewhere, maybe it is Turkic.
I would guess it is related to European languages.

Root languages deteriorate and burrow from others over time, they
become the local vernacular, till literature was created, to standardize.
All European languages have this history.

Hun from historians has been confirmed to be a Turkic language.

Maybe Yiddish is related to Turkic, going that far back, burrowing
from others over time, deterioration, it changes, especially if you are
living next to or in a culturally superior people who have their own
language and literature.

I actually studied European languages but Yiddish and Turkic was
not a part of the studies.

When people hear Turkic, they think of Turkey, which has it's own very
unique and peculiar history, and this confuses everything.

Correct. Hebrew was thought "too holy" to be an everyday language.

Yiddish uses hebrew characters but is itself a Germanic language.

[Hermie]

I believe that the jews are of the seedline of Cain.
This is from the "Dual Seedline" doctrine.

Cain is the offspring of Satan who seduced Eve in the Garden.
This was the act that caused the Fall, not eating an apple.

God's admonishment to Satan is what is stated in Genesis 3:15, here from the English Standard Version Bible...

"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." (Genesis 3:15)

Thus the jews are the literal descendents of the Evil One and the enmity that is between them and the descendents
of Adam continues to this day.

This, to me, explains the ongoing evil that jews cause and have caused throughout history as well as anything does.

I don't post over there at Free of Liberty and if I posted this there they would probably want to come and burn down my house.

[gunDriller]

By the way Hoarder and GunDriller - Are you guys still actively posting there?
I just tried logging in and my account is still active, so I can post there as well. Not that I am interested in that forum, but if you needed any backup, etc.

my ban for that username is permanent.

though obviously i have the option to re-register using a different username.

and all i did was talk about Blood Passover & organ trafficking - 2 manifestations of ritual human sacrifice in the Jewish community !

[wrs]

I guess I am not a Christian. Nevertheless I am trying to avoid doing evil deeds, and I would like to know the truth. I have no problem seeing the greedy moneychangers, the pharisees of the new testament as factual, they have continued that tradition. I guess I would accept Satan as real, if Satan is an emotion, possible in every humans heart, rather than a mythical being.

I don't think satan is an emotion but it might refer to the dark half of human nature which we all have. The Christ would be the light half of human nature which we all have and thus there would be antagonism between the two. If you look at non-dual views of life you see that there cannot be evil without good so it's impossible not to do something that could be viewed as evil at some time but it doesn't define you. As to truth, I don't think there is such a thing as an absolute truth. Not so we could know it anyway, we only see through a glass darkly.

[wrs]

By the way, I have been kicked off that board under three different IDs. The second time I told INVAR to eat shit and die. They never figured out I was the same person each time. They just kick you off the board if you disagree with their theology or their politics. If you don't agree with their theology you are demonic or satanic and if you don't agree with their politics you are a liberal and a communist.

[hoarder]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Meaningless, pointless attack on the Jewish. We don't play that here.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

I posted the obvious on a thread about Monsanto and Wikipedia.

[sirgonzo420]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Meaningless, pointless attack on the Jewish. We don't play that here.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

I posted the obvious on a thread about Monsanto and Wikipedia.

Mazel tov!

:D

I noticed they didn't use the word "jews" in your banning notice.

Google even has something to say about the words "jew" and "jews"... http://www.google.com/explanation.html

[Hermie]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Meaningless, pointless attack on the Jewish. We don't play that here.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"


Signed; Sheldon, Ira, Shlomo, Sarah, Isadore, Sidney, Irving and Rebecca.
All American 100% here at 'Free Of Liberty'!

[Horn]

What do you guys expect from a site where you graduate from Citizen to Congressman, then Senator?

Makes Great Value Carrots look appealing. :rolleyes:

http://www.crcsite.org/Images/ss%205.gif

[Spectrism]

By the way, I have been kicked off that board under three different IDs. The second time I told INVAR to eat shit and die. They never figured out I was the same person each time. They just kick you off the board if you disagree with their theology or their politics. If you don't agree with their theology you are demonic or satanic and if you don't agree with their politics you are a liberal and a communist.

I had a few run-ins with Invar and that bozo threatened me over his own stupidity. Guess who is not moderating there anymore.

[Spectrism]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Meaningless, pointless attack on the Jewish. We don't play that here.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

I posted the obvious on a thread about Monsanto and Wikipedia.


Was there a particular post that tripped this?

[Awoke]

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Meaningless, pointless attack on the Jewish. We don't play that here.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"

I posted the obvious on a thread about Monsanto and Wikipedia.

This reminds me of the "good ol' days" on GIM when it was controlled by the FMC members. Perma-bans for speaking the truth.

[MAGNES]

BANNED !

Seriously how can you discuss anything honestly
when the forum is called " tree of liberty " , what
about posting on the criminal neocons, I don't
read the forum, do they allow you to be anti war,
talk about blatant shills,
if I had time I would join, lol , what is the policy
on masons as well , do they ban those that out
masons, those two issues, the wars and masons
would tell you exactly what they are with certainty,
most likely they are Jewish themselves.

TO THOSE ABOUT TO DIE, WE SALUTE YOU !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2TWhA1UFcI


"A Slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts."-Euripides

[Neuro]

I don't think satan is an emotion but it might refer to the dark half of human nature which we all have. The Christ would be the light half of human nature which we all have and thus there would be antagonism between the two. If you look at non-dual views of life you see that there cannot be evil without good so it's impossible not to do something that could be viewed as evil at some time but it doesn't define you. As to truth, I don't think there is such a thing as an absolute truth. Not so we could know it anyway, we only see through a glass darkly.I think there is such a thing as absolute truth, but you are probably right it will probably not be seen very clearly by us biased humans. Anyway the opposite would be relativism, which is that you can lie about everything, and when caught in the act, you claim that it was the truth for you in your mind! This is a moral slippery slope.

Satan or no satan, knowing what really happened, and make your judgement/actions based on that information, is more likely to bring you closer to God or Truth.

[gunDriller]

By the way, I have been kicked off that board under three different IDs. The second time I told INVAR to eat shit and die. They never figured out I was the same person each time. They just kick you off the board if you disagree with their theology or their politics. If you don't agree with their theology you are demonic or satanic and if you don't agree with their politics you are a liberal and a communist.

maybe we should have a contest.

i've only been kicked off once.

[Spectrism]

I think I was threatened 3 or 4 times... does that count? Walking the edge.

[joboo]

I wouldn't visit that site like I wouldn't visit a public washroom just to smell for shit.

Two peeks, and I already know the bowl of liberty is chock full of circling turds.

[hoarder]

Was there a particular post that tripped this?Yes. Search "monsanto wikipedia" and you'll see. I should have used more subtlety.

[sirgonzo420]

Yes. Search "monsanto wikipedia" and you'll see. I should have used more subtlety.

You were famous at GIM for your ban-avoiding truth dissemination techniques...

Is your "honey" turning to "vinegar"?

lol

I can understand why if so.

[gunDriller]

I think I was threatened 3 or 4 times... does that count? Walking the edge.

sure it counts. i would be interested to see the post that resulted in the threat, and the threat itself.

if this was a board game, we could have -
TreeofLiberty Threats
TreeofLiberty Bans
TreeofLiberty Perma-Bans.

so they all count, but i think a ban should count more than a threat, and a perma-ban should count more than a temporary ban.

the winner gets to be the 2011 TreeofLiberty Free Speech Champion.


Zio-censorship is fascinating.

[hoarder]

You were famous at GIM for your ban-avoiding truth dissemination techniques...

Is your "honey" turning to "vinegar"?

lol

I can understand why if so.At GIM1 I was the token senior "anti-semite". At TOL I was just a nasty newbie.

[Awoke]

I joined ToL back in March of 2010, and still haven't made a single post, so I have not been banned.

I can say, however, that near the end of GIM, I was banned at least 4 times, and likely more like 5 or 6 times. Frigging masons.

[wrs]

I joined ToL back in March of 2010, and still haven't made a single post, so I have not been banned.

I can say, however, that near the end of GIM, I was banned at least 4 times, and likely more like 5 or 6 times. Frigging masons.

I can tell you for sure they aren't masons over there. A few are but they are excoriated. If you want to know what they think about Masons, go to the Root Cellar and search for posts with Masons in the thread. BB one of the moderators is a big hater of masons, there are plenty of others.

That is a fundie board composed of a lot of people that have theology very similar to those of the SBC.

[Neuro]

What is SBC? Anyway I liked BB at the old GIM. Skyvike and Scorpio are masons though, aren't they?

[sirgonzo420]

What is SBC? Anyway I liked BB at the old GIM. Skyvike and Scorpio are masons though, aren't they?

Southern Baptist Convention, unless I am much mistaken (which doesn't happen very often :) ).

[Santa]

What is SBC? Anyway I liked BB at the old GIM. Skyvike and Scorpio are masons though, aren't they?

Well, Skyvike definitely is.

[Spectrism]

sure it counts. i would be interested to see the post that resulted in the threat, and the threat itself.

if this was a board game, we could have -
TreeofLiberty Threats
TreeofLiberty Bans
TreeofLiberty Perma-Bans.

so they all count, but i think a ban should count more than a threat, and a perma-ban should count more than a temporary ban.

the winner gets to be the 2011 TreeofLiberty Free Speech Champion.


Zio-censorship is fascinating.

It looks like they purge old posts. Sheesh.... they wipe out alot of history.

[Awoke]

Well, Skyvike definitely is.


Fact is, all the Mod and G-Khan himself knew that Carl is a high ranking mason and that he is a USA .Gov employee.

Add to that, they knew that the overall membership was against the FMC and .gov.

Add to that, they still allowed him to run the show, ban as he pleased, censor as he saw fit, etc. They are complicit in all the devious ill-management of that forum, in by what they failed to do, which was remove mod powers from Skyvike and remove his membershit. <- That is not a typo.

Near the end, G-Khan was appealing to the membership for people to step up with legal advice and more, under a desperate shroud of secrecy. Whether they were all masons or not, they are all complicit, and they all allowed the FM cult and .gov to take over the reigns at GIM until they could no longer contain the content of our posts. After all the mass-bannings of critical members took place, the membership came together and called out the mods for their obvious censorship tactics, and then the cultists pulled the plug on the site.

They are all guilty by association. Including RichG, who I always liked.

[Santa]

I bet this "Tree of Liberty" site really pisses Libertytree off. ;D

It kind of tarnishes his good name...

It's got to be one of the most hypocritical sites I've ever looked at.

[Santa]

Fact is, all the Mod and G-Khan himself knew that Carl is a high ranking mason and that he is a USA .Gov employee.

Add to that, they knew that the overall membership was against the FMC and .gov.

Add to that, they still allowed him to run the show, ban as he pleased, censor as he saw fit, etc. They are complicit in all the devious ill-management of that forum, in by what they failed to do, which was remove mod powers from Skyvike and remove his membershit. <- That is not a typo.

Near the end, G-Khan was appealing to the membership for people to step up with legal advice and more, under a desperate shroud of secrecy. Whether they were all masons or not, they are all complicit, and they all allowed the FM cult and .gov to take over the reigns at GIM until they could no longer contain the content of our posts. After all the mass-bannings of critical members took place, the membership came together and called out the mods for their obvious censorship tactics, and then the cultists pulled the plug on the site.

They are all guilty by association. Including RichG, who I always liked.

I agree for the most part. Although everyone has a tendency to see things from their own unique perspective and to shade their opinions according to their own cherished delusions, so to speak.

I'll tell you something I actually do know.

I met and traded silver with Haystackneedle in person. He seemed like a good guy to me, although I can't say for certain if he was or is a Mason.
But anyway, I had been PM'ing with him over the years and wrote to him a lengthy plea to knock off the draconian bannings because it was ruining GIM2.

He agreed with me and asked if he could share my plea or suggestion with all the other mods and of course I said yes.

Well, it wasn't received very cordially. In fact, it was taken as criticism and my suggestion was flatly rebuked.

AMforPM responded with a fairly long winded explanation describing how Gkhan and Skyvike's lives were quite literally being threatened...

at least that's what AMforPM was being led to believe.

I believe this was the reason that the ordinary "mods" went along with the program. They were all led to believe "terrorists" had infiltrated GIM.
And the "terrorists" had Gkhan and Skyvike's real addresses.

So, they all went on a crusade and purged GIM of the "terrorist" infidels, or anyone who looked cross eyed at them. AMforPM was quite emotional about it all.

From this point on I speculate.

What AMforPM and the other mods, with the exception of Skyvike and Scorpio, did not know was that GIM had been sold, or sold out by a third party. The hidden hand. The handler.

Gkhan had not owned GIM since at least 2005, if ever.

A few months back, AMforPM, after having been filled with the righteous flame of fair play, banned the wrong sock puppet and discovered the "hidden hand" beneath it.
Immediately after he perma-banned the fucker, the sock puppet remained, but AMforPM just went poof... and disappeared.

Care to guess the sock puppets handle? :)

[Canadian-guerilla]

A few months back, AMforPM, after having been filled with the righteous flame of fair play, banned the wrong sock puppet and discovered the "hidden hand" beneath it.
Immediately after he perma-banned the fucker, the sock puppet remained, but AMforPM just went poof... and disappeared.

Care to guess the sock puppets handle? :)

Jewistic Penis and Minumus ?

i thought i had helped these 2 get " perma-banned ", less than a month later, both were back

[Awoke]

Not trying to fight with you, but I have to address some points Santa.



AMforPM responded with a fairly long winded explanation describing how Gkhan and Skyvike's lives were quite literally being threatened...

They were all led to believe "terrorists" had infiltrated GIM.
And the "terrorists" had Gkhan and Skyvike's real addresses.


Pfft. "terrorists". As if. As if terrorists could hold sway over a government agent who was a 28th degree in the scottish rite of freemasonry.

We all had Skyvikes address, and his name, and wife's name, etc, thanks to Hypertiger and a few other researchers. It was common knowledge to any reader of that forum.
Not sure about G-Khan's info being known to any of us though.



So, they all went on a crusade and purged GIM of the "terrorist" infidels, or anyone who looked cross eyed at them. AMforPM was quite emotional about it all.


No, they purged any dissenters that were anti-establishment, anti-FMC, anti Satanic Talmudism, etc.



From this point on I speculate.

What AMforPM and the other mods, with the exception of Skyvike and Scorpio, did not know was that GIM had been sold, or sold out by a third party. The hidden hand. The handler.

Gkhan had not owned GIM since at least 2005, if ever.

How can you speculate something like that? Just curious.

[Santa]

Jewistic Penis and Minumus ?

i thought i had helped these 2 get " perma-banned ", less than a month later, both were back

Bingo. We have a winner! Jewistic Penis. Lol. And where is AMforPM?
My guess is that he was silently renditioned or informed of the situation and left in disgust.

And Minimus is JP. Good call.

[Santa]

Not trying to fight with you, but I have to address some points Santa.



Pfft. "terrorists". As if. As if terrorists could hold sway over a government agent who was a 28th degree in the scottish rite of freemasonry.

I used the term "terrorist" loosely to make a point that whoever these handlers are, they seem to be following a well worn pro-establishment script.

We all had Skyvikes address, and his name, and wife's name, etc, thanks to Hypertiger and a few other researchers. It was common knowledge to any reader of that forum.
Not sure about G-Khan's info being known to any of us though.

I was referring to what AMforPM wrote to me. What he believed was true.

No, they purged any dissenters that were anti-establishment, anti-FMC, anti Satanic Talmudism, etc.

Actually they went on to purge anyone who shook a fist at them, regardless of ideology. Remember Outlaw Josie Wales? Stacker Ken? etc... those guys weren't exactly rabble rousers. Perhaps you missed the carnage that occurred since you had already been banned?

How can you speculate something like that? Just curious.

Just playing with a puzzle that doesn't have all the pieces.

[MAGNES]

thanks to Hypertiger and a few other researchers.

Awoke, it is FRED you should be thanking on here, aka PDT, the original MJK from gim.

Meet " Flour Breath " , the terrorist.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ntbpyh.jpg

Hypertiger was one of the first to post and out Masons on gim and he
had problems with skyvike.

Santa is actually promoting smears against FRED here.

The real owner of GIM was always skyvike, his name was registered,
FRED outed him, GKhan ran the place when it was good.

Post benefits skyvike promoting smears and disinformation.



AMforPM responded with a fairly long winded explanation describing how Gkhan and Skyvike's lives were quite literally being threatened...

at least that's what AMforPM was being led to believe.

I believe this was the reason that the ordinary "mods" went along with the program. They were all led to believe "terrorists" had infiltrated GIM.

And the "terrorists" had Gkhan and Skyvike's real addresses.

So, they all went on a crusade and purged GIM of the "terrorist" infidels, or anyone who looked cross eyed at them. AMforPM was quite emotional about it all.

From this point on I speculate.

What AMforPM and the other mods, with the exception of Skyvike and Scorpio, did not know was that GIM had been sold, or sold out by a third party. The hidden hand. The handler.

Gkhan had not owned GIM since at least 2005, if ever.


Nobody threatened anyone, skyvike felt threatened cause his pictures and websites
were all over the web with pictures of his wife too which looks like a bush pig fillapina.
This is important to know to understand where he is coming from.

FRED only published information to prove who skyvike was,
a high officer of the St Paul Lodge, a Warrant Officer, they
run the lodge, so he has to be 32 minimum and is 33 by now.
And to prove he owned gim as the legal registrar. And he posted
some websites to show skyvike works for the government, military,
worked for the state department. Skyvikes own websites and admissions.
Skyvike went on to say more on his daily diatribe site.

FRED found other information of a personal nature and did not put it out there.
FRED TOLD PEOPLE NOT TO.

So all the rest is just bullshit.

Santa joined on here as a troll, caused problems, went after Gaillo, smearing him,
then claiming to be a victim, swore at us, caused lots of problems, is a liar, still a
troll, now he is going to tell you the score, right.

Obviously we know there were protected stooges on gim.

There is a famous thread, " alex jones says arabs own hollywood " ,
it stunk so bad, everyone got banned, right after that FRED outs
skyvike.

HERE IS SANTA CHEERLEADING YOUR BAN AND MINE
We were only discussing the Spanish Inquisition. King got banned
too and Spectrism was threatened for mentioning it.

And maybe he gave some truth, but he is acting as PR agent for skyvike
attacking FRED and promoting lies that skyvike was threatened, these
are big lies. By association this whole forum is smeared and skyvike wants us
gone not outing him. Even thought his material is all over the web including
his new weather modification site and him openly posting he wrote the manual
on predator drone technology, I am assuming flying aspects of, his own writing.

It is no accident mayhem targetted FRED on here first for ban, then I was
banned number two, then Awoke was attacked and being set up for a ban.

The great majority of the old posters do not post.

http://i51.tinypic.com/33u4cqx.jpg

[MAGNES]

A few months back, AMforPM, after having been filled with the righteous flame of fair play, banned the wrong sock puppet and discovered the "hidden hand" beneath it.
Immediately after he perma-banned the fucker, the sock puppet remained, but AMforPM just went poof... and disappeared.

Care to guess the sock puppets handle? :)


Bingo. We have a winner! Jewistic Penis. Lol. And where is AMforPM?
My guess is that he was silently renditioned or informed of the situation and left in disgust.

And Minimus is JP. Good call.

Maybe you have some good info but you have never been constructive ever.

If what you posted above is true about how legit you are you would of been
constructive a long time ago instead of the opposite, and why didn't you join
here from the beginning, ? , you already saw major purges that Awoke and Gaillo
missed that were before their time.

You want to rewrite this history and play pretend helper while smearing FRED.

What you posted actually benefits skyvike.

Most of our goals have been accomplished of awakening people.
Whoever wanted the truth had many opportunities to learn the truth.

Most stopped posting.

You want to do some good, get AMforPM over here,
nobody is going to lynch him or laugh, " told you so ",
even Goldpompom is attacking them, which is a shock,
him I do despise with a passion for demanding
large sarge and Pat Colo get banned.

Minis is JP, and people are thanking you, what revelations,
it was obvious long time ago they had sock puppets.

Tell me JP is skyvike and show proof, LOL , that would fit, then we can talk.

You have to ask yourself why they allow this and always did.

They even effectively banned Mamboni on gim who I strongly supported for
pointing this out, about the pat/jp/halo sock puppet, he hit a nerve and was
silenced by dirty tricks. Mamboni was on agora telling us about this.

Here is another big question.
Only god knows how many sock puppets mayhem had, on here and on
gim, he showed me a few as conan here, he had me fooled, he claimed to
be Kelstar too, posting goofy stuff, why is it that gpond allowed all of this
on gim, if Gaillo can get him on here what was gpond doing, ? ? ? , that is the question,
why is mayhem working for skyvike trying to shut down discussion,
it would not shock me one bit to learn mayhem is gpond but that would be
speculation, we got better than speculation, some revealing truth that hits.

And they are all Masons, who put the masonic eye in the round, Scorpio.
They did all this without G khans knowledge ? Give me a G, give me a Khan.
What does that spell, M A S O N ! Him and skyvike know each other personally
and hang around together , they said so themselves.

[Santa]

Wow Sparta, don't get your diapers all in a pucker! :-*

http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/jackconrad/junk/a7be4e7b.jpg

[Book]

http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?19983-Native-Family-Allegedly-Attacked-by-Skinheads&p=227774#post227774

::) what purge?

[Santa]

Speaking of Fred... I suspect he's there too. :)

[keehah]

That could explain Budda's attempted suicide yesterday.
Fred's shoes must be full of holes, top to bottom.


And now for some projection reflected:

You want to rewrite this history and play pretend helper while smearing [insert Mason here]

[Awoke]

And they are all Masons, who put the masonic eye in the round, Scorpio.
They did all this without G khans knowledge ? Give me a G, give me a Khan.
What does that spell, M A S O N ! Him and skyvike know each other personally
and hang around together , they said so themselves.


This is what I originally suspected.