Medals for raiding the wrong house

[osoab]

WTF?

Seriously, WTF?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHZnNG_QEUw&feature=player_embedded

[Dogman]

This video is a great insight into the mind set of the walking donuts.


This is some of the commits, one out of 7 pages.


Uploaded by f328owner (http://www.youtube.com/user/f328owner) on Jun 18, 2011
WTF!!! It looks like the news team cant believe it either?





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This is almost as bad as Obama receiving the Nobel peace prize...for doing nothing!
What a twisted, fucked up world we're living in these day's!


kanukster (http://www.youtube.com/user/kanukster) 1 week ago 60 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif
why are cops so FAT?..whats the average cop, now??? 300lbs..


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The fact the cops did not rape and kill the children means they showed great restraint. But these cops are not heroes as they did not splash the blood of innocent children around.


rainbowschild (http://www.youtube.com/user/rainbowschild) 1 hour ago
@sanriver12 (http://www.youtube.com/comment_search?username=sanriver12) - They keep fucking up, cops are going to end up getting killed. When people are defending their family, it's for keeps.


jskaggs2008 (http://www.youtube.com/user/jskaggs2008) 2 hours ago
@PeterTattersall46 (http://www.youtube.com/comment_search?username=petertattersall46) LOL I actually live in Canada.. right on the border of the USA though :)


evoke1988 (http://www.youtube.com/user/evoke1988) 4 hours ago
I am former M.P. and honoring cops for a screw up is an abomination. Anti-American. A complete failure. So much for being honorable. They are not.


redboneshadow (http://www.youtube.com/user/redboneshadow) 4 hours ago
Aiyana Jones anyone?
Pathetic. Pathetic to honor these people. Pathetic on every level. Just... shockingly disgusting.


theonlydann (http://www.youtube.com/user/theonlydann) 5 hours ago
What a shame and disgrace I hope this family wins in court.


misterkgb1 (http://www.youtube.com/user/misterkgb1) 5 hours ago
@ceasey0xoogurl (http://www.youtube.com/comment_search?username=ceasey0xoogurl) So right! the words "honor", "brave" and "hero" have been so misused and i believe it is intentional. i always supported law enforcement but there have been quite a few of these happening lately with no apologies but excuses. you are right about standing up and NOT taking the awards. they are being encouraged by this and our police are becoming more military-like and not in a good way. before long they will be using them against us to control us.


amicosempre (http://www.youtube.com/user/amicosempre) 6 hours ago
A team of men with body armour and large guns against one man protecting a wife and 6 kids and a single gun. YEAH RIGHT! They were really in harms way. They are trained for this and the citizen is caught offguard. What ever happened to checking out the source and target before storming it? They used to do that. You know "measure twice and cut once". Verify, verify. Unfortunately our SWAT has become a military group and awarding them says, ok boys! Keep attacking the innocent.


amicosempre (http://www.youtube.com/user/amicosempre) 6 hours ago
the word "honor" has lost its true definition in today's world. what happened to people feeling ashamed for receiving an award they don't deserve? i'm sure these cops were embarrassed for making such a mistake..but to take an award after that? it's like none of them have the balls to stand up to what honor really is. i'd respect those cops if they actually refused to be honored for making a mistake.


ceasey0xoogurl (http://www.youtube.com/user/ceasey0xoogurl) 6 hours ago 3 http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/pixel-vfl3z5WfW.gif
Cops breaking into your house is more dangerous then criminals.


theoriginalanomaly (http://www.youtube.com/user/theoriginalanomaly) 7 hours ago

[mrnhtbr2232]

A textbook example of why you need to study SWAT tactics, gear, and training, and understand what you're up against.

Here - have a few basics:
http://www.nme.de/cgi-shl/nme/swat_T_Ebbc.php
http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/police/swat
http://www.gtitraining.org/pdf/type3swatoperatorsschool.pdf
http://www.policeone.com/SWAT/
http://www.nasta.ws/PDF%20Files/Basic%20Schedule.pdf
http://www.teamonenetwork.com/articles/John_Meyer_SRT_Training_1986.pdf
http://www.swatseries.com/
http://www.chiefsupply.com/Categories.aspx?categoryId=160

[Mouse]

Not that this adds any value on my part, but I was over at this article about Sunny Sheu murder and someone there posted this spot-on response.....

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/william-galison-author-article-murder-sunny-sheu-assaulted-and-threatened-undercover-cop


by honestann
on Thu, 06/30/2011 - 13:03
#1416001 (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/william-galison-author-article-murder-sunny-sheu-assaulted-and-threatened-undercover-cop#comment-1416001)


The answer is simple, but never discussed.
Before humans learned the new kind of behavior (and life strategy) of being producers (create what you need and want to survive and prosper), their behavior (and life strategy) was like all other animals... they were predators. (just grab and consume whatever you can get away with).
Eventually man discovered productive behavior (planting and harvesting to begin with), and the quantity of goods exploded. This relative abundance led to a huge explosion in human population, which is now perhaps 100 or 1000 times beyond the population that can be sustained by natural physical and biological processes of earth. Thus production became a necessity for mankind unless he wished to suffer a very painful and chaotic population implosion of 100x to 1000x. Also note that ethics arises as an expression of the producer alternative to the predator modus-operandi of "get away with whatever you can).
So, here's the deal.
Mankind as a whole became producers, especially in what we called the "western world" or "first world". Later much of the rest of the world turned to productive activity.
However, a small but significant portion of the population remained predators - some only in part, others in whole.
In the past 200 years they have methodically taken over all powerful institutions on the face of the earth. ALL of them (as far as I can see).
Every day they practice overt "get away with whatever we can" in endless ways... and yet the ever shrinking population of producers refuses to identify what is happening, or do anything significant (much less dramatic) about it.
Those judges and cops are absolute, complete, utter, 100% self-conscious predators. The have internalized the predator modus-operandi of "get away with whatever you can", and "consume the goods produced by fools who allow themselves to be fleeced and enslaved".
At the MOST fundamental level, this is the long term as well as crucial modern story of mankind. Yet humans are too stupid to identify this fact, and just submit to the worst slime in the history of the universe - self-conscious predators.
PS: At root, what made this possible to happen on such a massive scale to overwhelm the entire planet is the ultimate predatory expression, which is central banking (especially given "fiat money" and "fractional reserve practices"). That inherrently predatory activity has such enormous power to control behavior (of regular people and people in governments) that it finally led to those predators being able to assure ALL people in positions of power in government are predators.
Man is an abject failure, for letting this happen. For pretending it wasn't happening. For ignoring what they were seeing with their own eyes, and understanding with their own consciousness.
And man is FINISHED if he does not destroy the predators. And understand clearly, the ONLY solution to predators is to lock them up or kill them. They cannot be reasoned with. Period.

[Shami-Amourae]

Babies / Children = 100 pts
Teens = 75 pts
Adults = 50 pts
Grandma / Grandpa = 25 pts

Headshots get 50 pt bonus, so shoot to kill!
http://www.diversitycareers.com/articles/pro/09-decjan/images/dia/DHS_logo.jpg
Join us. Serve the Banks. Protect the Banks.

[Libertarian_Guard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er7gzj0BbSE&feature=related

Waco Texas Shootout


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRAYtDKZGuQ&feature=related


Paul McCartney (A Day In A Life / Give Peace a Chance) sur les plaines d'Abraham 20 juillet 2008

[Celtic Rogue]

LOL ... well for me anyway. Can you imagine whats going on in these cops heads. I would feel like shit being honored for a botched job... but with times tough to speak out would effectively end your law enforcement career. When you have a family that depends on you the choices and decisions get really hard and F'd up!

But having said that these people from the capt on down need some retraining at least and dismissal is what they really deserve. To put innocent people at risk sending armored and armed black op uniformed JERKS to a wrong address from an unchecked source is unforgivable. If a doctor makes mistakes and harms people... he would have his license pulled and possibly jailed. I see NO difference.

[solid]

It's important to realize the SWAT officer's did not raid the wrong house...they were given the wrong house to raid. There's a difference there. The fuckup was in the orders these officer's were given.

Also, it's sounds like they raided the house and did the very best thing they could do in a bad situation. They raided the house, the homeowner fired upon them, sounds just a quick exchange of fire...and when the cops realized they were given the wrong house, they backed out. That takes amazing restrait to do when you are being fired upon. Nobody got hurt. These officer's did the best job they could given the circumstances.

In many cases the officers would have kept shooting until the homeowner was killed.

I'm not saying they deserve metals. That sends the wrong message. However, they shouldn't be blamed for the mistake since it was not their fault to begin with.

EDIT: It's possible the department gave the officers awards just to calm them down as well. Think about if you were a swat officer and they sent you to the wrong house and you got shot at (rightfully) by the homeowner. I personally would be very pissed off at the orders given. I bet those officers are angry over this incident.

[midnight rambler]

It's important to realize the SWAT officer's did not raid the wrong house...they were given the wrong house to raid. There's a difference there. The fuckup was in the orders these officer's were given.

Also, it's sounds like they raided the house and did the very best thing they could do in a bad situation. They raided the house, the homeowner fired upon them, sounds just a quick exchange of fire...and when the cops realized they were given the wrong house, they backed out. That takes amazing restrait to do when you are being fired upon. Nobody got hurt. These officer's did the best job they could given the circumstances.

In many cases the officers would have kept shooting until the homeowner was killed.

I'm not saying they deserve metals. That sends the wrong message. However, they shouldn't be blamed for the mistake since it was not their fault to begin with.

EDIT: It's possible the department gave the officers awards just to calm them down as well. Think about if you were a swat officer and they sent you to the wrong house and you got shot at (rightfully) by the homeowner. I personally would be very pissed off. I bet those officers are angry over this incident.

IOW, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with 'just following orders'...right??

When a water moccasin bites you, it's just being a water moccasin, right?

[horseshoe3]

It's important to realize the SWAT officer's did not raid the wrong house...they were given the wrong house to raid. There's a difference there. The fuckup was in the orders these officer's were given.

Also, it's sounds like they raided the house and did the very best thing they could do in a bad situation. They raided the house, the homeowner fired upon them, sounds just a quick exchange of fire...and when the cops realized they were given the wrong house, they backed out. That takes amazing restrait to do when you are being fired upon. Nobody got hurt. These officer's did the best job they could given the circumstances.

In many cases the officers would have kept shooting until the homeowner was killed.

I'm not saying they deserve metals. That sends the wrong message. However, they shouldn't be blamed for the mistake since it was not their fault to begin with.

EDIT: It's possible the department gave the officers awards just to calm them down as well. Think about if you were a swat officer and they sent you to the wrong house and you got shot at (rightfully) by the homeowner. I personally would be very pissed off. I bet those officers are angry over this incident.

I would say for most normal people, the natural thing to do would be to back out when under fire. It takes a pretty unique personallity to invade someone's house and then accelerate the attack when the owner tries to drive you out.

[solid]

IOW, there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with 'just following orders'...right???

This is my point. They stopped following orders because they realized they were the wrong fucking orders. That should be acknowledged at the very least.

[Dogman]

It's important to realize the SWAT officer's did not raid the wrong house...they were given the wrong house to raid. There's a difference there. The fuckup was in the orders these officer's were given.

Also, it's sounds like they raided the house and did the very best thing they could do in a bad situation. They raided the house, the homeowner fired upon them, sounds just a quick exchange of fire...and when the cops realized they were given the wrong house, they backed out. That takes amazing restrait to do when you are being fired upon. Nobody got hurt. These officer's did the best job they could given the circumstances.

In many cases the officers would have kept shooting until the homeowner was killed.

I'm not saying they deserve metals. That sends the wrong message. However, they shouldn't be blamed for the mistake since it was not their fault to begin with.

EDIT: It's possible the department gave the officers awards just to calm them down as well. Think about if you were a swat officer and they sent you to the wrong house and you got shot at (rightfully) by the homeowner. I personally would be very pissed off at the orders given. I bet those officers are angry over this incident.

Sounds like kid's "t" ball where everyone wins and gets a trophy.

Someone screwed up big time, and because of that an innocent person could have lost their life, the person (s) responsible for the fuckup should have a ton of bricks dropped on his/her/their heads. For not being absolutely sure before sending in the dog's.

[solid]

I would say for most normal people, the natural thing to do would be to back out when under fire. It takes a pretty unique personallity to invade someone's house and then accelerate the attack when the owner tries to drive you out.

If the house had kids that were kidnapped in it, would you want the cops to back out under fire? Each situation is unique. They are trained to nutralize the threat in an active shooter scenario.

[midnight rambler]

If the house had kids that were kidnapped in it, would you want the cops to back out under fire? Each situation is unique. They are trained to nutralize the threat in an active shooter scenario.

Why can't you just admit that the whole shebang with cops (ESPECIALLY their 'training' aka brainwashing) these days is FUBARed with NO end in sight, it's only get much, much worse with each passing day??

[midnight rambler]

BTW, when ya find a snake in your house you KILL IT, you don't welcome in more snakes.

[solid]

Why can't you just admit that the whole shebang with cops (ESPECIALLY their 'training' aka brainwashing) these days is FUBARed with NO end in sight, it's only get much, much worse with each passing day??

I wasn't discussing all cops in my point...just the cops that this thread is about.

A lot of the training has changed due to the Columbine incident in Colorado. I know my training at the time was. We did swat training using simuntions in an abandoned school, active shooter training. The training was get to the shooter as fast as you can and take them out, your safety doesn't matter anymore. Columbine changed everything, imo, because the cops didn't go in innitially and a bunch of kids died. I think those techniques apply to swat raids as well, as soon as the shooting starts. This is why these cops, in this incident, did the right thing.

I've stated before, one of my biggest concerns is being the recipient of a "wrong address" raid. It's good to know that some cops, at least, will back out once they realize the mistake....ie, I've at least got a chance at surviving.

[Dogman]

Instead of getting a medal they should have been loaded up in a van and spent the next 6 weeks at the firing range practicing and as far as the person that gave the orders, they need to retrain them in such things as evidence and investigation.

Well one of the right things they could do if the homeowner would let them, is to bring plaster and paint and fix the guys dam house they shot up, then give it a complete new paint job inside and out. Will it even the books , NO! But it would show some humility for their mistake.

[horseshoe3]

If the house had kids that were kidnapped in it, would you want the cops to back out under fire? Each situation is unique. They are trained to nutralize the threat in an active shooter scenario.

Oh, were there kidnapped kids in the house? I hadn't realized that. All the news reports said it was a drug raid... a crime that's not even a crime.

So let's review. You seem to be supporting acts of violence against non-criminals. Then when the wrong non-criminals get targeted, you justify it by making the absurd argument that somewhere in the world, there might be kidnapped children. And the fact that children get kidnapped justifies the use of force against non-violent offenders, or in this case, non-violent non-offenders.

[solid]

So let's review. You seem to be supporting acts of violence against non-criminals. Then when the wrong non-criminals get targeted, you justify it by making the absurd argument that somewhere in the world, there might be kidnapped children. And the fact that children get kidnapped justifies the use of force against non-violent offenders, or in this case, non-violent non-offenders.

I'm trying to look at this objectively. I am not supporting acts of violence against non-criminals. You are trying to put me on the defensive with that statement. My point was 1) each situation is unique. 2) Some posters here seem to be fauling the wrong people in this situation.

Personally, whatever the reasons why swat would have to raid a home...if they raid my home by mistake. I hope they realize that mistake before ANYONE gets hurt. That's what happened in this case. I give those cops props for being man enough to admit a mistake was made, and de-escilate the situation. That was the right thing to do at that time.

[horseshoe3]

Yes, each situation is different. In this situation, they THOUGHT they were going into a peaceful person's house on a non-violent drug charge. How the hell does that justify a full on SWAT raid?

Each situation is different, but there is only one course of action from the police - no knock, kick down the door and go in with guns drawn. Does that make sense to you? It's like they are trying to get someone killed.

Let me tell you my reactions to different situations. I think they are reasonable and representative of most on this board.

Situation 1: 3am knock on the door. "Open up, police." I go down stairs, ask if they have a warrant. If no, "Go away, I'm calling my attorney." If yes, "Please slip it under the door." If it looks valid, let them in.

Situation 3: 3am hear door being kicked down. Have wife call 911. Point M1A at stairway door and shoot anything that comes through.

I think these are reasonable reactions to each situation and validate the argument that SWAT teams cost more lives than they save. Please tell me where I'm wrong.

ETA: If you think that a no knock SWAT raid is the proper way to deal with a small time druggie, then you most certainly are supporting acts of violence against non-criminals.

[Blink]

They are trained to nutralize the threat in an active shooter scenario.

They are trained to neutralize any threat to their masters. All mistakes will be overlooked, explained away and misrepresented. If any of them had any self dignity or remorse, they would have refused the commendation and applied for community service for such an erroneous mistake. Instead they play the game like good little "soldiers", pop some more steroids get back to the fear mongering.........

[solid]

ETA: If you think that a no knock SWAT raid is the proper way to deal with a small time druggie, then you most certainly are supporting acts of violence against non-criminals.

That's why I mention a situation involved with kids...stop putting words into my mouth. I never once said I supported a SWAT raid on some small-time druggies...I do support certain raids, ones with kids involved for example. :) Who's to say it was a small-time druggie as well? Maybe it was a druggie who had warrants out for assault, burglary, etc.

BTW, I agree with both of your responses in the situations you posted. That is exactly what I would do.

Look on the brightside of all this.. Regarding situation 3, this is exactly what the guy did when the cops stormed his house wrongfully. It was justified, that's the bright side of this. Everyone acknowledges it was the proper response. He had a right to defend his family from aggressors. That's a step in the right direction. The cops who raided his home acknowledged it, instead of continuing the raid until someone was killed they realized the mistake. We need more cops who can think on their feet like that, not mindless robots just executing orders.

Am I the only one who sees anything good out of this mistake? Debating what merits a no knock raid is a topic that nobody is going to agree on 100%, there's too much gray area and the situations are unlimited.

[osoab]

It's important to realize the SWAT officer's did not raid the wrong house...they were given the wrong house to raid. There's a difference there. The fuckup was in the orders these officer's were given.

Also, it's sounds like they raided the house and did the very best thing they could do in a bad situation. They raided the house, the homeowner fired upon them, sounds just a quick exchange of fire...and when the cops realized they were given the wrong house, they backed out. That takes amazing restrait to do when you are being fired upon. Nobody got hurt. These officer's did the best job they could given the circumstances.

In many cases the officers would have kept shooting until the homeowner was killed.

I'm not saying they deserve metals. That sends the wrong message. However, they shouldn't be blamed for the mistake since it was not their fault to begin with.

EDIT: It's possible the department gave the officers awards just to calm them down as well. Think about if you were a swat officer and they sent you to the wrong house and you got shot at (rightfully) by the homeowner. I personally would be very pissed off at the orders given. I bet those officers are angry over this incident.


solid, I think you are wrong on this one.

How do we know that they backed out? I heard nothing of that in the above clip. I did hear the puppet heads say that no one was injured. Then at the very end the chiefs was quoted saying "they were shot at and shot". Sounds like that dipshit Texas sheriff word play to me.

What kind of checking goes on for these tips? The guys in blue have a lethal weapons in their hands with almost impunity of force behind them. Where are the checks? I work in the steel industry. I don't know the checks that the architects and engineers do, but for what I do and our shop does, there are at least 5-6 checks minimum just for the placement of one fucking hole. Seriously, were are the checks? Did they monitor the house prior to entry? I would also bet that at least one member of the tip squad was on that swat raid. Why isn't that guy being hung out to dry at this point in time?

This whole thing reminds of the guy in NYC who has been raided by the cops like 80 times in 20 years. Then after a big hullabaloo discussing how the computer error was fixed and no more raids would occur, they raided the fucking place again.

There is no excuse for this shit. Where in the hell is the pride in doing your job right. By right, I mean making sure everything is on the up and up.

No excuses solid, no excuses.

[Dogman]

The audio and some video is at the link's site, this is a transcript.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=751_1202797215

911 Tapes From Police Raid At Wrong House


2/11/08 MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO)


Few things are more frightening than hearing a noise and thinking someone is inside your house. Late last year, Yee Moua watched a movie at her family's home in North Minneapolis. Her husband, Vang Khang, and six young kids were safe in their beds just across the street from the neighborhood police station.

However, shortly after midnight strange sounds and breaking glass jolted Moua from the TV to the telephone. Fearing violent criminals were breaking in, she dialed 911 and her husband grabbed his shotgun.

WCCO-TV has obtained a copy of a tape of the calls where Moua pleads for the 911 operator to send help.

911 Operator: What's the address?

Moua: Uh, 1321 Logan Avenue

911 Operator: Logan North or South?

Moua: North

911 Operator: What's going on there?

Moua: Um, I don't know. Glass is breaking like ... please, will you hurry up?

Khang fired three shots at what he thought were intruders from his bedroom. They returned fire with more than 20 rounds through a bedroom door, leaving the family's dream home riddled with bullets.

It turns out the strangers breaking in were not violent criminals. They were members of the Minneapolis police SWAT team, raiding the wrong house. They had gone there after officers from the MPD's Violent Offender Task Force had obtained a high-risk search warrant, expecting to find guns connected to the Rolling 60s Crips street gang.

On the 911 tape, you can hear SWAT officers yell "Get on the floor!" and "Where's the gun?"

Moua pleads with them saying, "Will you tell me what happened?"

SWAT officers: Police, police! Stop! Stop! Be quiet!

At first, Moua didn't believe the armed men were really police officers.

On the tape, you can hear Moua ask "Am I sure you are the police?" A 911 operator assured her they were.

Moua : Yeah, I'm just not sure if it is the police or not.

911 Operator: It is the police. They are at your house.

Former U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger is one of two lawyers hired by the family since the raid.

"The law is very clear. Every homeowner has the right to use deadly force if necessary to protect his home and his family," he said. "But for the grace of God, and about 12 inches, we'd have had a couple of fatalities here."

He, and the family's the attorney Sia Lo, criticize police for acting on a bad tip and mistakenly threatening an innocent family in the middle of the night.

"The police were the ones that were there illegally and they started this problem. Had they never entered the building illegally none of this would have happened," said Heffelfinger.

Home video shows Minneapolis Police Chief Tim Dolan apologizing to the family in person two days after the raid. Dolan hugged one of the children who may have seen her parents in handcuff during the raid in their own home.

Dolan admitted mistakes were made during the investigative end of the police raid which led to the SWAT team being called in to search for guns in the wrong house. That is something Khang and Moua worried about the most, the traumatic effect witnessing this raid would have on their kids.

From the 911 tapes:

Moua: Please check my little babies in the other room.

Officer: They are okay. They are okay.

Moua: I don't want them to see me like this.

Officer: Well, I didn't really want to get shot in the face with a shotgun today either. But I guess we don't get what we want sometimes.

For all the bullets flying in the house last Dec. 16, it is amazing a child or officer wasn't hurt, or killed. Khang did shoot two officers but they were not injured because of their protective gear.

Dolan assured Khang he wouldn't be charged with a crime and that city would repair his house. The chief has also promised a full internal investigation into how an informant's tip led police to the wrong house.

Dolan said he has already made a policy change to tighten up the supervision of future high-risk raids. So far, no word on whether any officers, or supervisors, will be disciplined for the mistaken raid. Dolan said it will depend on the outcome of his internal investigation and what it reveals about who dropped the ball before the raid.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=751_1202797215

[osoab]

Why is this an internal investigation? Where is the oversight?

[midnight rambler]

This shit isn't supposed to be happening in this country. This is in direct violation of our common law rights. Anyone who lends ANY support to this sort of Gestapo/NKVD bullshit is a gawddamn traitor.

[midnight rambler]

Maybe these JBT assholes should start wearing this patch or something similar to show where their loyalties lie.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Emblema_NKVD.svg/176px-Emblema_NKVD.svg.png

[midnight rambler]

BTW, consider the contrast:

a) if you have Oxycontin in a perscription bottle with your name on it then you're golden because you've *legally* acquired your narcotics via the beast system

or

b) if you have Oxycontin and no perscription bottle with your name on it in sight then you're a low-life scumbag who deserves to have his or her shit blown away if you show a scintilla of resistance to very heavily armed cock-sucking militarized bankster buttboys who violently break into your home

or

c) if you grow your own medicine in the form of an extremely useful and absolutely harmless flower placed in nature by the Creator of all in the universe then you're a low-life scumbag who deserves to have his or her shit blown away if you show a scintilla of resistance to very heavily armed cock-sucking militarized bankster buttboys who violently break into your home

[solid]

How do we know that they backed out? I heard nothing of that in the above clip. I did hear the puppet heads say that no one was injured. .

We know they backed out because nobody died. That's what it comes down too...I hear what you are saying osoab.

Bottom line, nobody got hurt in this mistake. Anytime a mistake happens, first thing..the fingers start pointing. Any career. Any job, I'm just putting my two bits in that the blame is wrongly placed in this incident.

Then..you've got midnight rambler spewing a bunch of BS, what's folks supposed to believe?

It is what it is.

[midnight rambler]

We know they backed out because nobody died. That's what it comes down too...I hear what you are saying osoab.

Bottom line, nobody got hurt in this mistake. Anytime a mistake happens, first thing..the fingers start pointing. Any career. Any job, I'm just putting my two bits in that the blame is wrongly placed in this incident.

Then..you've got midnight rambler spewing a bunch of BS, what's folks supposed to believe?

It is what it is.

This post demonstrates the level of lunacy in this country, i.e. calling blatant unlawful activity "a mistake". And US armed forces are not *really* engaging in 'hostilities' in Libya. We are surrounded by the clinically insane (those who buy into the lunacy perpetuated upon us all by the banksters' errand boys).

[midnight rambler]

On a related note -

http://s3.credoaction.com.s3.amazonaws.com/comics/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/TMW2011-06-29colorlowres.jpg

[Santa]

"The police were the ones that were there illegally and they started this problem. Had they never entered the building illegally none of this would have happened," said Heffelfinger.
Bottom line is that these cops are criminals. The swat team broke common law and very nearly killed innocent people in the process.
It's horrifying to see them say oh well and commend one another for a job well done with medals and ribbons.

However, I've been wondering why there has been so much press regarding bad cops and bad TSA goons and so forth.

Well, earlier today I happened to watch a few minutes of MSNBC on TV... rare since I don't have a tv myself, the commentator had a guest specialist on, an attractive blond woman
who was spearheading a political organization to put a stop to the TSA's perverse and goonish tactics. She spent several moments comparing ELAL (sp).., the Israeli equivalent to the TSA, bragging about how much better Israeli security functions...

My questions. Are they attempting to privatize government security by tearing down the public sector? You know, "save money and become more efficient by contracting outside business help. Private sector experience in security measures like Blackwater etc... Private police? And how much Israeli/Zio involvement? And what might the consequences of private goons (foreign specialists) in every town be?

[osoab]

solid,

Ain't no mistake just as midnightrambeler says. This is a a major FUBAR and fucking medals were given out. Dude, it isn't right in any way shape or form. Heads should fucking roll over this type of crap (figuratively). Where is the personal responsibility in the job. Is it just follow orders with leo's?
I don't just follow orders in my daytime job. If I see a problem, I have to ask or question the issue.

The cost to the business is not worth the effort it would take to use a little fucking brain power. I had always assumed that the cost of a life would be worth more effort with leo's. Maybe that is what I get for making assumptions.

[osoab]

Not to mention very bad shots. Seriously, who qualified this guys.

[osoab]

My questions. Are they attempting to privatize government security by tearing down the public sector? You know, "save money and become more efficient by contracting outside business help. Private sector experience in security measures like Blackwater etc... Private police? And how much Israeli/Zio involvement? And what might the consequences of private goons (foreign specialists) in every town be?

I would say you are close. Some of those in power probably have the inside scoop on what companies to invest in who would be most likely to procure these security contracts. It is only a matter of time. I a guessing that most of the security would come from outside the states.

[solid]

solid,

Ain't no mistake just as midnightrambeler says. This is a a major FUBAR and fucking medals were given out. Dude, it isn't right in any way shape or form. Heads should fucking roll over this type of crap (figuratively). Where is the personal responsibility in the job. Is it just follow orders with leo's?
I don't just follow orders in my daytime job. If I see a problem, I have to ask or question the issue.

The cost to the business is not worth the effort it would take to use a little fucking brain power. I had always assumed that the cost of a life would be worth more effort with leo's. Maybe that is what I get for making assumptions.

Jesus...I must be the only one that sees that these LEO did not follow orders...they backed out! They stopped the fight! Nobody got hurt!

How many dumb cops keep shooting?

We bash those cops rightly so...yet, now we are beating up cops that actually do the right thing?

Those cops manned up, and realized this whole damn thing was one big damn mistake.

They did the RIGHT thing.

[osoab]

Jesus...I must be the only one that sees that these LEO did not follow orders...they backed out! They stopped the fight! Nobody got hurt!

How many dumb cops keep shooting?

We bash those cops rightly so...yet, now we are beating up cops that actually do the right thing?

Those cops manned up, and realized this whole damn thing was one big damn mistake.

They did the RIGHT thing.

Where in the hell is their prerogative to double check before things get hot? Are they just automatons? Seriously, someone on that squad was in command. Where in the hell is this dude at in making sure the force is necessary? I am not saying that some situations may not warrant extreme prejudice, but doesn't one individual at least question what the orders are? Where are their brains?

A simple check on the house would have probably pointed out that this tip was bogus.

[Santa]

They did the RIGHT thing.

Only after they did the wrong thing.

And then they pat themselves on the back....

The wife on the phone with 911 is what most likely stopped an impending massacre.

[Dogman]

Jesus...I must be the only one that sees that these LEO did not follow orders...they backed out! They stopped the fight! Nobody got hurt!

How many dumb cops keep shooting?

We bash those cops rightly so...yet, now we are beating up cops that actually do the right thing?

Those cops manned up, and realized this whole damn thing was one big damn mistake.

They did the RIGHT thing.

I think the "Wrongness" of handing out medals is going sideways with most here! It was a way over the top. They did not earn them, yes I know they were following faulty intelligence and it was a big FUBAR mess.

The medals thing was and is a totally wrong thing to do. Just like my earlier post, about "T" ball, and everyone wins.The cops that were involved do need something to remind them how close they came to taking innocent life, the guys family was there also and could have been hurt or killed. So yes they do need something to remind them for the rest of their working career, but not medals.

[midnight rambler]

Jesus...I must be the only one that sees that these LEO did not follow orders...they backed out! They stopped the fight! Nobody got hurt!

How many dumb cops keep shooting?

We bash those cops rightly so...yet, now we are beating up cops that actually do the right thing?

Those cops manned up, and realized this whole damn thing was one big damn mistake.

They did the RIGHT thing.

Nice doublespeak going on there. Been taking lessons?

'Dynamic entry' should only be used in very extraordinary instances, yet it is now a routine, daily occurrance. Where's the justfitication?? Oh yeah, it's for the *good* of society. /sarc

[Santa]

So yes they do need something to remind them for the rest of their working career, but not medals.

How bout a big "F" branded into their foreheads for fucktard. ;D

[solid]

.The cops that were involved do need something to remind them how close they came to taking innocent life, the guys family was there also and could have been hurt or killed. So yes they do need something to remind them for the rest of their working career, but not medals.

I'm sure they know how "close" they were to taking another life.

They, I'm sure, don't need anything to remind them of that.

Fuck this place. I doubt one of you has ever had to point a gun at someone.

[midnight rambler]

I doubt one of you has ever had to point a gun at someone.

I've done more than that, I've actually dropped the hammer on someone I was so pissed off. FWIW the Sheriff was very disappointed I missed.


I'm sure they know how "close" they were to taking another life.

They, I'm sure, don't need anything to remind them of that.

I'm thinking you don't get it. It takes a certain type of 'perspective' to strap on a gun everyday and go break into someone's house with the INTENT to use deadly force if they twitch the wrong way. And oh yeah, the dogs of the recipients of the militarized police brutality are DEFINITELY dead meat if they get in the way of the JBTs 'just doing their job'.

Get a grip.

[osoab]

I'm sure they know how "close" they were to taking another life.

They, I'm sure, don't need anything to remind them of that.

Fuck this place. I doubt one of you has ever had to point a gun at someone.

I have one pointed at me. Close enough?

[Santa]

Fuck this place. I doubt one of you has ever had to point a gun at someone.

No, but I've had a gun pointed at me.

[Celtic Rogue]

You dont need to point a gun at anyone to know they were wrong. And as a matter of fact I have been shot at and been shot and shot back. Too many times to care to remember. They didnt back out they proceeded in and handcuffed the adults. How did they do that if they didnt continue inside the house? There is NO justification to bust anyone's doors down in the middle of the night! I am suppossed to be safe in my house against this type of unconstitutional activity!

[solid]

Well, you all are better men than me, I suppose.

I hope I never have to point a gun at another man in the future.

[midnight rambler]

Perhaps in the foreseeable future we can see the American flag patch on cops' uniforms replaced with a patch displaying this -

http://memrieconomicblog.org/images/uploaded/IMF_FMI_Logo.jpg

[Dogman]

I'm sure they know how "close" they were to taking another life.

They, I'm sure, don't need anything to remind them of that.

Fuck this place. I doubt one of you has ever had to point a gun at someone.



Does a moonlighting job while I was in the AF, working at a gas station (back then still full service) in Austin TX count? And near closing time one night a dude came in and tried to rob me? Saw him coming , what he did not know the station kept a handgun near the register, and had a very short gun fight! He missed and I did not! He lived to spend some time at one of our finest state run hotels and spa's. ;D

Edit: Had to delete the first one, quoted the wrong person.

[solid]

Dogman, that's a bad-ass story. The closest I came to a gunfight was a huge black dude I found myself chasing, alone. He ran out of wind, and I caught him. I told him to get his hands up. He put up his fists to fight. I pulled out my baton. He looked at my baton, and said "ah fuck that" and went for his back wasteband.

Then it was John Wayne style, who could pull the fastest.

[Santa]

Well, you all are better men than me, I suppose.

I hope I never have to point a gun at another man in the future.

I get your point, Solid, and you're not really wrong.
It could have been a bloodbath, but was caught in time.... thankfully.

[Dogman]

Dogman, that's a bad-ass story. The closest I came to a gunfight was a huge black dude I found myself chasing, alone. He ran out of wind, and I caught him. I told him to get his hands up. He put up his fists to fight. I pulled out my baton. He looked at my baton, and said "ah fuck that" and went for his back wasteband.

Then it was John Wayne style, who could pull the fastest.

It was near the base, in the south east part of town, real close to the wrong side of the tracks so far as the neighborhood goes. Lot's of brown and black, but mostly brown and English was a second language. Happened in 1972 and it was kinda funny in the following weeks at work. Most of the more questionable customers got real scarce. The word traveled fast.

Edit: Day job , in uniform doing the uncle sam thing, worked nights at the station.

[Santa]

It was near the base, in the south east part of town, real close to the wrong side of the tracks so far as the neighborhood goes. Lot's of brown and black, but mostly brown and English was a second language. Happened in 1972 and it was kinda funny in the following weeks at work. Most of the more questionable customers got real scarce. The word traveled fast.
:). Great story...

My story isn't so inspiring and dramatic. Similar circumstances, but all I had available was a squirt bottle filled with ammonia and a broom
which I didn't wind up using.

[mrnhtbr2232]

So we're supposed to just be grateful no one was hurt and the police "de-escalated" the situation, for which they receive meritorious commendation. You've got to be kidding. The police demonstrated pure incompetence in this situation. If they fail the checks and balances and then go in with lethal force then all bets are off. Capitulation hoping they don't put a hole the size of a grapefruit in your head is a calculated risk at best.

P.S. - any of you motherfuckers shoot my dog and I'll go out of my way to make sure you die.

[Mouse]

I don't know what cop speak for it is, but before they go in to create a "high-risk" situation, there are protocols that are "supposed" to be followed. First, one would consider that the "informant" information be verified. This would probably take form of a stake-out, to ensure what appears to be whatever is alleged is what appears, or whoever is to be arrested, etc. is actually going on at that location. Then, they would further need to stake-out to study the house, the layout, the yard, the neighbors yards, the getaways and the get-ins, the breach points and map that out in order to "plan" their assault. Then, they would also be well advised to get a warrant and approval of the plan and etc from a judge, including the "risk level and proposed use of force". Then, they would need a commander to check all the pieces fit and OK to go do it.

So, the family should be suing the City, the Police, the Judge and then each and every officer involved in any manner in the action, and finally the informant for slander and/or defamation, false report, etc. I think there is a lot of money to be made here.

These idiots got an address and sent a swat team in with no planning to do a simple search warrant. They should all go to jail, starting with the judge. The cops are playing with their big-boy toys.

[Blink]

I don't know what cop speak for it is, but before they go in to create a "high-risk" situation, there are protocols that are "supposed" to be followed. First, one would consider that the "informant" information be verified. This would probably take form of a stake-out, to ensure what appears to be whatever is alleged is what appears, or whoever is to be arrested, etc. is actually going on at that location. Then, they would further need to stake-out to study the house, the layout, the yard, the neighbors yards, the getaways and the get-ins, the breach points and map that out in order to "plan" their assault. Then, they would also be well advised to get a warrant and approval of the plan and etc from a judge, including the "risk level and proposed use of force". Then, they would need a commander to check all the pieces fit and OK to go do it.

So, the family should be suing the City, the Police, the Judge and then each and every officer involved in any manner in the action, and finally the informant for slander and/or defamation, false report, etc. I think there is a lot of money to be made here.

These idiots got an address and sent a swat team in with no planning to do a simple search warrant. They should all go to jail, starting with the judge. The cops are playing with their big-boy toys.

They used the same procedures to prove that Saddam had WMD..........