You could have a badass dog like Enzo

[midnight rambler]

Enzo's littermate Cato is seeking a forever loving home as an inside pet. Warning: high aggression level, for experienced dog lovers only. In a couple of years no one will dare come into your home uninvited when Cato's on the job.

[madfranks]

What an opportunity, and what a cool dog. I honestly wish I could take you up on the offer, but he deserves more than I would be able to give him. I see how much time and resources GoD puts into Enzo, and I wouldn't be able to do that for Cato at this time. Good luck though, I hope you find a good home for him.

[Ponce]

If I didn't have one I would take you on it.......congrat to franks on his 2,000 post.........

First post of the day............good hot morning to one and all.

[midnight rambler]

What an opportunity, and what a cool dog. I honestly wish I could take you up on the offer, but he deserves more than I would be able to give him. I see how much time and resources GoD puts into Enzo, and I wouldn't be able to do that for Cato at this time. Good luck though, I hope you find a good home for him.

GoD has put that sort of time and resources into Enzo because GoD has serious intentions of competing on a national level with Enzo. Enzo is a special dog because he CAN compete on a national level with a noob handler at Schutzhund because of his breeding. Cato is the exact same sort of dog - very sweet, social with people and showing no nerviness around people whatsoever, is eager to learn, and has very high drives (Cato was raised around children and cats, so he knows how to behave himself around children and indoor house cats). All that is required to make Cato an uberhund is to spend the daily time with him everyday doing training (like 10-15 minutes/day), and that he lives with his human(s), i.e. that their 'den' is his den. With the proper direction on training and the everyday living with his loving human(s) it is really a piece of cake - totally different from the intense program GoD has decided upon (it should be noted that GoD doesn't spend hours and hours every week training Enzo, more like a few minutes every day with the exception of his weekend trips to his SchH club.)

[General of Darkness]

GoD has put that sort of time and resources into Enzo because GoD has serious intentions of competing on a national level with Enzo. Enzo is a special dog because he CAN compete on a national level with a noob handler at Schutzhund because of his breeding. Cato is the exact same sort of dog - very sweet, social with people and showing no nerviness around people whatsoever, is eager to learn, and has very high drives (Cato was raised around children and cats, so he knows how to behave himself around children and indoor house cats). All that is required to make Cato an uberhund is to spend the daily time with him everyday doing training (like 10-15 minutes/day), and that he lives with his human(s), i.e. that their 'den' is his den. With the proper direction on training and the everyday living with his loving human(s) it is really a piece of cake - totally different from the intense program GoD has decided upon (it should be noted that GoD doesn't spend hours and hours every week training Enzo, more like a few minutes every day with the exception of his weekend trips to his SchH club.)

This is absolutely correct. In all honesty Enzo is a great house dog, the only difference between him and a standard dog is he genetics give him the drive and clear headedness to do schutzhund, and be excellant at it. Also, the reason I'm doing schutzhund is because it's just another challenge in my life, and I've got a dog who can do it and have fun at it. Cato would make a great, normal house dog who would protect his owner, his family and property. In the coming SHTF society, these types of dogs are going to be worth their weight in gold. ;)

[midnight rambler]

In the coming SHTF society, these types of dogs are going to be worth their weight in gold.

And in some situations the only thing between your gold and someone who wants to appropriate it is a great dog like Cato or Enzo. As only one example, I had a good friend who is an experienced handler of GSDs bred for their aggression (and who my bitch had never seen) go to my home to water my dogs when I was unable to return in time and he told me the only way he was going to get into my house was to kill my bitch - that all he ever saw of her was her teeth and open mouth while she was directly in his face barking at him the moment he opened the front door. (I've since introduced him to my bitch)

[madfranks]

I am really tempted - let me see what my wife thinks.

[Awoke]

Beautiful dog, but like last time, I don't have the proper resourses and my wife isn't interested in a bigger dog until we move to a bigger property.

Gorgeous though!

[horseshoe3]

Having a dog for protection is a great idea if you are dealing with run of the mill riff raff. If a determined criminal comes across your dog, you end up with a dead dog and stolen gold. And if the criminal is wearing a badge at the time, he'll probably get a commendation.

[General of Darkness]

Having a dog for protection is a great idea if you are dealing with run of the mill riff raff. If a determined criminal comes across your dog, you end up with a dead dog and stolen gold. And if the criminal is wearing a badge at the time, he'll probably get a commendation.

Well a smart person would NEVER rely a 100% on their dog to deter theives, and I personally would die to protect my dog, he's my best friend. BTW - I consider a dog as a tool when it comes to protection, just the way I consider a pistol or shotgun as a tool. A person uses the tool that gets the job done. ;)

FYI - Glen Beck loves my Enzo.

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[horseshoe3]

I agree that a dog is a tool for protection. Their biggest value lies in the fact that they are much more alert than we are and will let us know if something is wrong. And they keep honest people honest.

[madfranks]

FYI - Glen Beck loves my Enzo.



Ha ha, I was going to comment but you beat me to it.

[General of Darkness]

Ha ha, I was going to comment but you beat me to it.

I've got to mention this. While Midnights dobermans are very high drive and excellent working dogs, they are also fun as hell, and really really funny. They've got great personalities. One thing is for sure, they are VERY trainable and have very high intelligence. Now that I "kinda" know what I'm doing, I can pretty much train Enzo to do what I want him to do, and if I don't know how to do it, I know the right people to call to make that happen. But understand, I'm not talking about protection work, protection is genetics with these dogs, the obediance is the key, but that's with ALL dogs. Why is it toy dogs are yappy, they're untrained, they haven't ever been corrected for inappropriate behavior. When I was in Turlock for a week, Joel was working a 5 year old Lab for 5 weeks to do training to make him a better dog.

Not to beat a dead horse but there are three words in Schutzhund, obediance, obediance, and obediance. These dogs genetics make them perfect for protection work, excellent bite i.e. a full bite, very clear headed, and stable. The rest is just training, just like any good dog "should" do. For the record, I could have never started training in schutzhund with Enzo, and he'd be fine. But that would have been a waste of a dog. Enzo's brothers aren't going to be Schutzhund dogs, that window of going down that road has passed, they are just going to be awesome house dogs that will die for their owner and family.

The INTEREST that I personally have in his brothers getting into good homes is if something were to ever happen to Enzo. I'd pay good money for his brothers sperm. Midnight did something very special with these dogs. It's a great blend of what a dog should be, act, and look.

Just my 2 cents.

[midnight rambler]

Yeah GoD, few people appreciate how extremely difficult it is to acquire a dog of this caliber, and comprehend what these dogs are capable of. Since you're gotten involved in SchH you now understand how few dogs measure up, as well as knowing how many breeders like to talk up the working ability of their dogs where none exists. You and I were just talking about a couple of breeders who put on a good front selling puppies for thousands yet their dogs are very, very weak and would run from a serious fight. If they were to sell serious working dogs it would ruin their 'business model' due to the returns (boomerang dogs) because so few are willing to make the commitment to the dog and undertake the training it takes to get a handle on a high drive dog. The only reason I offered a puppy to you is because I knew how you cared for the two dogs you had and that you'd make a commitment to the dog - I knew he would have a forever loving home as an integral household member.

I had one returned to me when she was 14 months old, and she turned out to be the best dog I've ever owned. The bitch is absolutely fearless of death or injury, not just standing her ground but charging toward any threat without any hesitation whatsoever. I call her Crazy Gracie because of what I call 'the crazy drive' (her extremely high, over the top prey and fight drives). While very high drive she's never shown any nerviness around people and she's friendly and social although very aloof. Cato reminds me of her (Cato and Crazy Gracie are first cousins).

[chad]

i have the upmost respect for you guys. it takes balls to have these kind of dogs around + train them like you do. me personally, i am terrified of dogs.

[midnight rambler]

i am terrified of dogs.

That's the quickest way in the world to get bitten, dogs can sense your fear. In fact it sets them off, and you're subject to getting bitten by a dog that wouldn't otherwise bite you - the dog thinks, "something's not right with him, therefore I need to bite him."

I take it you've had a very bad experience?

[chad]

i was attacked by a german sheppard when i was about 10 or so. i don't remember what caused it, all i remember is the dog hanging on my leg and the neighbor fighting to get it off. had to get stitches, still have scars on my one leg.

i try to not act scared around dogs, but i'm always afraid they're going to go off on me. good to know i need to work on that.

[General of Darkness]

i was attacked by a german sheppard when i was about 10 or so. i don't remember what caused it, all i remember is the dog hanging on my leg and the neighbor fighting to get it off. had to get stitches, still have scars on my one leg.

i try to not act scared around dogs, but i'm always afraid they're going to go off on me. good to know i need to work on that.

Chad, here's some advice. DON'T stare at a dogs eyes or even it's head they might think you're challenging them. Always assume a dog is aggressive, most owners don't know shit about what their dog might do.

[midnight rambler]

i was attacked by a german sheppard when i was about 10 or so. i don't remember what caused it, all i remember is the dog hanging on my leg and the neighbor fighting to get it off. had to get stitches, still have scars on my one leg.

i try to not act scared around dogs, but i'm always afraid they're going to go off on me. good to know i need to work on that.

I had a GSD bite me on the backside when I was 5 or 6. I had to overcome that. If you stand your ground you can stare down most dogs*, never turn your back on them or try to flee. When I was a young adult working for a property management company I once had to enter dozens of apts. one day to shut off the gas due to a gas main leak - I came across many dogs who didn't like me invading their space. I simply raised my pipe wrench at them ready to whack them if necessary saying, "I'm going to fuck you up!" (as if they could comprehend English lol) and pressed into their owner's home - they always backed down. Now if you have 2 or more in a pack-like structure coming at you that could be a potential problem - always good to carry a folder for just such cases.

*the exception being socially dominant dogs (which are usually hard working dogs, but not always), avoid direct eye contact with a dog you've determined is socially dominant, he WILL go off on you if you do so.

[chad]

good advice, thanks guys.