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Ares
8th July 2011, 10:15 AM
On July 6th, just two days ago, at least a dozen busybody Congressmen sponsored the introduction of HR 2411, the “Reduce America’s Debt Now Act of 2011.” They always come up with fantastic names for these pieces of legislation… and rest assured, the better/more patriotic the name, the more ominous the bill. This one follows the pattern.

HR 2411 states that every worker in America should be able to voluntarily have a portion of his/her wages automatically withheld and sent directly to the Treasury Department for the purposes of paying down the federal debt.

“Every employer making payment of wages shall deduct and withhold upon such wages any amounts so elected, and shall pay such amounts over to the Secretary of the Treasury…”

That’s right. Uncle Sam is so broke that he wants to give all the good little Americans out there the opportunity to contribute an even greater portion of their paychecks to finance government largess.

Desperate? Hmmm…. Don’t worry, it gets better.

Obviously, if an employee feels so compelled and should elect to have a portion of his/her paycheck withheld, the onus of responsibility is now on the employer to make it happen. The employer has to do all the paperwork, withhold the money, send the payment to the Treasury, maintain the account records, and probably submit to all kinds of new filing requirements.

You can imagine that, if passed, the bill will result in a host of new IRS regulations, complete with a battery of penalties for employers who don’t fill out the paperwork properly, submit filings on time, or make some administrative mistake.

Think about it: if a small business owner has one single employee who is dumb enough to think that it’s his patriotic duty to pay down the debt and decides to contribute $1/month, that owner will have the responsibility for all kinds of new forms and filings, plus submit to new ‘debt reduction audits.’

But don’t worry, it gets even better.

So let’s say there are millions of sheep out there who elect to donate a portion of their toil and sweat so that the Chinese and big financial institutions don’t have to worry about an American default. How does Congress plan on rewarding its most patriotic citizens? By sticking it to them on their taxes, of course.

HR 2411 stipulates that any contribution made to the Treasury in order to pay down the federal debt IS NOT TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

“The [Treasury] Secretary shall include. . . a reasonably conspicuous statement that any amounts deducted and withheld from wages. . . are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes.”

Imagine this scenario: You make $100,000/year. In a fit of complete insanity, you decide that you want to withhold your entire annual salary to pay down the debt. Hey, you can always move in with mom for the next year, right?

Well guess what– Uncle Sam will gladly take your money… and then STILL expect you to pay taxes on the $100,000 that you earned, so you’d have to come out of pocket with an additional $40,000 or so.

Don’t worry, though. The Social Security and Medicare wages are reduced by the amount that you withhold, making you only liable for state and federal taxes. Seems like a good deal, eh comrades?

There are so many things utterly wrong with his piece of legislation, it’s hard to know where to begin other than by saying that such intellectual and philosophical perversion is only capable of springing from unprincipled sociopaths whose sole capability is the destruction of value.

There’s a great quote from Atlas Shrugged that comes to mind which sums this all up:

“[W]hen you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favors; when you see that men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them, but protect them against you. . . you may know that your society is doomed.”

We’ve discussed the story of the boiling frog so many times before– a frog, when put into a pot of water and slowly brought to a boil, doesn’t realize that he’s in danger until its too late. I think the boiling frog just got a little hotter. Have you hit your breaking point yet?

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/congress-wants-automatic-wage-deductions-to-pay-down-the-debt-HR-2411

Dogman
8th July 2011, 10:30 AM
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:h2411:


Say here elective withholding to help on the debt.

Ponce
8th July 2011, 10:42 AM
The Zionist Israel must get their foreing "aid" no matter if your kids go hungry.

Sparky
8th July 2011, 10:47 AM
You can't make this $hit up.

platinumdude
8th July 2011, 10:47 AM
So how many people will see up, two?

Sparky
8th July 2011, 10:48 AM
"The Voluntary Tax Bill For Idiots Who Don't Realize Money is Fungible"

Shami-Amourae
8th July 2011, 11:28 AM
It would be funny to "donate" 1 cent with each paycheck. The amount of paperwork and bullshit would actually cost the government more money just to take that 1 cent than it would benefit the thieves government.

letter_factory
8th July 2011, 11:29 AM
If it helps israel, we should sign up, for it says in the bible, those that bless israel are themselves blessed.

Shami-Amourae
8th July 2011, 11:33 AM
Are you being sarcastic?

Ponce
8th July 2011, 11:46 AM
If it helps israel, we should sign up, for it says in the bible, those that bless israel are themselves blessed.

And guess who wrote the Bible.

platinumdude
8th July 2011, 11:46 AM
If it helps israel, we should sign up, for it says in the bible, those that bless israel are themselves blessed.

The best way to bless them is to preach the Gospel to them.

letter_factory
8th July 2011, 11:52 AM
Are you being sarcastic?


yeah, making fun of the shabbos goy on here and on antoher certain forum.

Glass
8th July 2011, 04:24 PM
This system is already in place. It's called income tax.

Bildo
8th July 2011, 08:08 PM
It would be funny to "donate" 1 cent with each paycheck. The amount of paperwork and bullshit would actually cost the government more money just to take that 1 cent than it would benefit the thieves government.

True, but it would be a bigger burden on your employer, who has to administer the "program."

Joe King
8th July 2011, 08:42 PM
True, but it would be a bigger burden on your employer, who has to administer the "program."Has to? Sure you didn't mean, volunteered to?

Huge difference.

"Has to" implies that it would be against their will and thusly would constitute involuntary servitude. Which it definately is not.

General of Darkness
8th July 2011, 10:18 PM
Well I want a pony.

General of Darkness
8th July 2011, 10:32 PM
yeah, making fun of the shabbos goy on here and on antoher certain forum.

Dude, WTF are you talking about? You calling gsus members shabbos goyim? You really need to pull the head out of your ass because you have missed the boat concerning this place. ;)

Twisted Titan
9th July 2011, 06:28 AM
True, but it would be a bigger burden on your employer, who has to administer the "program."

and that will be the proverbial. straw that breaks the camels back for many small business owners.

but the corporate overlords will get business waviers