When will TSHTF happen?

[Ponce]

I have decided that it wii happen going into winter....why?........simple, for two reasons......one=less riots in cold weather and 2=give the goverment time to put their finishing touches in getting their FEMA camps ready and bring in their mercs.

Say you?

[Canadian-guerilla]

i always thought Y2K would have been a good time
shut down the power grid WORLDWIDE and blame the Y2K programming

the " depopulation agenda " would certainly get a boost if TSHTF in winter

[Shorty Harris]

I think that it already has. The question should be, At what speed do events unfold that cause the Lemmings to take notice and have that "OH SHIT" moment.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

The moment D'quanda's food card stops feeding her ten kids.

[Plastic]

The moment D'quanda's food card stops feeding her ten kids.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2En0ZyjQgU4

OK..... guess I get to go find embedding instructions... sorry for my noobishness.

[Dick_Stabber]

Embedding made easy..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2En0ZyjQgU4

[Sparky]

I think that it already has. The question should be, At what speed do events unfold that cause the Lemmings to take notice and have that "OH SHIT" moment.

The whole analogy of TSHTF implies that it can't possibly go unnoticed.

I always enjoy this discussion, but it goes nowhere until TSHTF is defined. This is where I usually offer my standard definition: TSHTF when GSUS-types begin consuming their preps out of necessity.

OK, now on with the discussion. In another thread, I make the argument that it is unlikely to be before 2013, and could be as late as 2025. I think it's most likely to happen in winter, when there is the best chance for widespread distribution issues related to weather. I'll go with the winter of 2017-18. But my prep mindset is 2013.

[gunDriller]

The whole analogy of TSHTF implies that it can't possibly go unnoticed.

I always enjoy this discussion, but it goes nowhere until TSHTF is defined. This is where I usually offer my standard definition: TSHTF when GSUS-types begin consuming their preps out of necessity.

hmmm. i'm already eating my corn & beans & wheat, but if you have a 45 pound bucket, it's good to cook a few pounds to check it out.

but maybe i'm a little low on sweeth tooth stuff, like Pop Tarts.

[Book]

http://www.likecool.com/Home/Bath/Emergency%20Toilet%20Roll/Emergency-Toilet-Roll.jpg

[solid]

OK, now on with the discussion. In another thread, I make the argument that it is unlikely to be before 2013, and could be as late as 2025. I think it's most likely to happen in winter, when there is the best chance for widespread distribution issues related to weather. I'll go with the winter of 2017-18. But my prep mindset is 2013.

What I like about you Sparky, is you're an optimist. The more I think about it, the more I agree with you that it will be later...I'll go with 2017-18 as well.

I'm also starting to actually agree with our administrations "kick the can down the road" policies. The reason, is basically at this point in the game, what our country really needs is a value changing, quick and painful, collapse to reinvent ourselves. Keep kicking the can, and that's going to happen.

My travels in Europe mostly, were eyeopening in the fact that what really matter to folks, was less about money and posessions, and more about people and family. I learned a lot talking especially with older folks who had lived through WWII, etc, and how those experiences were game changers, value changers, so to speak that they can pass that on to their children.

We really haven't had anything like that here. We've collective grown fat and happy with entitlements, and the ease of the drug called credit and financing...our values are far out of whack. They've gotten worse. So, imo, it's too late to change that without a painful realization for the masses. Pulling the band-aid off slowly will not work, it's needs to be pulled off quickly.

So my best guess, is we've still got a decent amount of time to prepare. That's the optimist, also..I think that once the day comes, we'll rebuild ourselves stronger than before. It's exciting thinking about that. We do have some very exciting times ahead for us.

[Ponce]

I see that Book has been in my bathroom.........I'd better recheck my security system.

[chad]

at least until after the next prez election. whoever wins that has the possibility of declaring himself dictator. 2012-2016 will be dicey.

[Spectrism]

The world will not go on past 2018.
All hell breaks loose during 2014 if we go that long.
Half of hell begins to break loose this year- 2011. It is possible (not likely) for everything to accelerate to a close within the next year.... but there are still some wild and whacky things that have to happen.

I fully believe that the preps I put away now will be usable until the end of the world.

[Sparky]

... We've collective grown fat and happy with entitlements, and the ease of the drug called credit and financing...our values are far out of whack. They've gotten worse. So, imo, it's too late to change that without a painful realization for the masses. Pulling the band-aid off slowly will not work, it's needs to be pulled off quickly.

So my best guess, is we've still got a decent amount of time to prepare. That's the optimist, also..I think that once the day comes, we'll rebuild ourselves stronger than before. It's exciting thinking about that. We do have some very exciting times ahead for us.

This is how I feel also. Prepare yourself and your loved ones to weather the storm.

[Sparky]

Below is an important chart for this thread. We've just made the turn toward disaster; how far up the slope will it take before TSHTF?

http://grandfather-economic-report.com/65-over.gif

from http://grandfather-economic-report.com/soc_sec-a.htm

[JDRock]

WHEN it happens matters not, WHERE you are and HOW prepared you are is all that matters. Ive been harping for years now, if you want even a remote chance to survive, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE CITIES AND SUBURBS. idaho, wyoming, montana, alaska are your best bets.
hell, all the preps in the world wont buy you 3 days in an urban area....theyll smell your food and come at you like fvkn zombies!
...

[osoab]

at least until after the next prez election. whoever wins that has the possibility of declaring himself dictator. 2012-2016 will be dicey.


That would be Rick Perry. I think they let TSHTF during Obama's reign. Then when most are in desperation. the despot moves in.

[wrs]

NEVER, it's a delusional idea.

[gunDriller]

i think TSHTF on 9-11-01.

i suppose it depends a little on why you think 9-11-01 happened.

to what extent was it the Talmud-worshippers shirring up Sh!t, vs. the US wanting to position troops on top of 110 billion barrels of light sweet crude in Iraq ?

anyway, i would say a crime spree (9-11 + the War on/of Terror) of that magnitude constitutes a TSHTF, for sure.

on March 11, the Fukushima quake/tsunami/nuclear fvck-up added a little more (well, a lot more) S to TSHTF.

and then there's those economic numbers ...


what i see the economy doing is - well, in a lot of towns garage sales is now one of the primary industries. we are now living on the crumbs of when energy was cheap and employment was much less rare.

fortunately, the crumbs are big, so we should survive on crumbs for a while.


i would say the one area where we are lacking, TSHTF wise, is with the chimp-outs and rioting. the group shop-lifting sessions, and the post-Stanley-Cup riots, are not very impressive as civil disobedience goes.

police-state wise, we are 100% there. the shit that cops (include TSA, DHS, FBI) are pulling ... there's so many incidents. cops shooting innocent Americans x 1 million (well, OK, maybe there's 'only' been 100,000 such incidents), the TSA-searching-Old-woman-with-diapers incident, the very recent change in FBI rules allowing them to initiate investigations of citizens on their own say-so, no warrant needed.


i guess it depends on the definition of TSHTF. everybody has their own litmus test.

[Joe King]

i guess it depends on the definition of TSHTF. everybody has their own litmus test.



Here's my test. It's multiple choice.


The definition of the SHTF is....

A. When the official "money" isn't any good anymore.
B. When there is nothing to buy at the stores with your "money" even if it was good.
C. When the normally functioning Civil State is reduced to a seething pile of humanity, clawing and scratching for its mere existence.
D. When a large majority of peoples toilets, electricity and water no longer work for a sufficient amount of time, thus making their homes unlivable.
E. All of the above.

[midnight rambler]

i think TSHTF on 9-11-01.

i suppose it depends a little on why you think 9-11-01 happened.

to what extent was it the Talmud-worshippers shirring up Sh!t, vs. the US wanting to position troops on top of 110 billion barrels of light sweet crude in Iraq ?

anyway, i would say a crime spree (9-11 + the War on/of Terror) of that magnitude constitutes a TSHTF, for sure.

on March 11, the Fukushima quake/tsunami/nuclear fvck-up added a little more (well, a lot more) S to TSHTF.

and then there's those economic numbers ...


what i see the economy doing is - well, in a lot of towns garage sales is now one of the primary industries. we are now living on the crumbs of when energy was cheap and employment was much less rare.

fortunately, the crumbs are big, so we should survive on crumbs for a while.


i would say the one area where we are lacking, TSHTF wise, is with the chimp-outs and rioting. the group shop-lifting sessions, and the post-Stanley-Cup riots, are not very impressive as civil disobedience goes.

police-state wise, we are 100% there. the shit that cops (include TSA, DHS, FBI) are pulling ... there's so many incidents. cops shooting innocent Americans x 1 million (well, OK, maybe there's 'only' been 100,000 such incidents), the TSA-searching-Old-woman-with-diapers incident, the very recent change in FBI rules allowing them to initiate investigations of citizens on their own say-so, no warrant needed.


i guess it depends on the definition of TSHTF. everybody has their own litmus test.

TS has definitely already HTF, it's just that the vast majority of folks are in denial. Tough to put a specific date on it - it could be anywhere from April 24, 1863 to the present. 9/11/01 seems as good a date as any, but in my mind the watershed event is the nuclear volcano in Fuckushima - the event at Fuckushima affects everyone on the planet in the here and now as well as several decades into the future. There is no 'safe level' of radiation from radioactive material.

What the OP should have been is: When will it become apparent to everyone that TS has HTF?

[LuckyStrike]

We've been on the road to marxism in this country for over 100 years. Each year the government gets bigger, our freedom and pocketbooks smaller. The shit may never hit the fan really, to me anyway TSHTF scenario is complete collapse, riots, no food, etc. I think that is certainly a possibility but not guaranteed.

A collapse could come at anytime, maybe next week, next year, or 20 years down the road. Be honest who here in 07-08 thought the world would still be around today? It seems like every week for the last few years it's been a collapse warning imminent with a time frame of 6 months. None of them have panned out, but the bottom line is better 20 years to early than 20 seconds late.

[midnight rambler]

Let's take only one example (other than Fuckushima) where TS has already HTF: the tornadoes, the drought, and the flooding in the states - was this man-made or natural?? And all the results of that, like farm land which isn't producing and the fact that Soros and the Corps of Engineers are buying up that flooded farmland. We are on the cusp of MAJOR food shortages IMO. How can any reasonable human deny this?

One year, two, three, or four until full realization by everyone that TS has HTF...what does it matter?? Those paying attention know that TS has already HTF.

[LuckyStrike]

Let's take only one example (other than Fuckushima) where TS has already HTF: the tornadoes, the drought, and the flooding in the states - was this man-made or natural?? And all the results of that, like farm land which isn't producing and the fact that Soros and the Corps of Engineers are buying up that flooded farmland. We are on the cusp of MAJOR food shortages IMO. How can any reasonable human deny this?

One year, two, three, or four until full realization by everyone that TS has HTF...what does it matter?? Those paying attention know that TS has already HTF.

Not to mention the fact that on average food travels 1500 miles before it reaches your plate, it doesn't take much of an interruption in the supply chain for the grocery stores to run dry and when people are hungry, it will be bedlam.

[midnight rambler]

Not to mention the fact that on average food travels 1500 miles before it reaches your plate, it doesn't take much of an interruption in the supply chain for the grocery stores to run dry and when people are hungry, it will be bedlam.

It wouldn't take much to cause that 3 days worth of food in the grocery store to vanish - fuel shortages, socio-economic collapse, N. Korea doing the EMP number over N. America, etc., so we're really only hours away from the bedlam you mention at any given moment.

[Spectrism]

TSHTF for some already. We are seeing the acceleration of wacky things as i mentioned. I am surprised it all waited this long. By mid 2017 more than half of the people here will have tasted it. Prove me wrong and get yourself ready. That could mean ready by moving, having good supplies, or many other things. Mostly, be in tune with God so that you can hear his Spirit guiding you. Doom won't always be 6 months away.

[old steel]

Already hit here, been through hell and back, twice.

I don't recommend it.

I've become jaded and cold, it changes you.

[Spectrism]

Already hit here, been through hell and back, twice.
I don't recommend it.
I've become jaded and cold, it changes you.

We have mostly all become fat and sloppy, living in a land of fakery. I have warned my family that soon, instead of a few panhandlers on the street, or the occasional hard luck story looking for help, it will be thousands. Thousands fighting to survive. We have seen what it is like for one or two desperately grasping for money, help, life.... but we haven't seen anything yet.

What was your experience old steel?

[JFN111]

I do a lot of driving around for my real estate sales and I've seeing more and more people begging for money on the street corners. What used to be only an occasional panhandler now seems to be a flurry of them.