Making fun of Preppers

[Sparky]

Alex Beam is actually a very good columnist for the Boston Globe. But he misses the mark on this one, making fun of long term food storage. I found this passage interesting, though:

"I make fun of these people, but consider this: Not so long ago, I was at a dinner party with four other families from my “leafy suburb,’’ as Newsweek once called it. They had respectable jobs, they were living the bourgeois life - and everyone at the table had emergency rations stashed in their basements. One family had hundreds of gallons of water. Another had a generator and Costco-like quantities of canned food. Except me, of course. I couldn’t believe my ears."

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/articles/2011/07/05/in_case_of_emergency_read_this/

[Dogman]

In case of emergency, read this

Who cares about the end of American civilization when there’s freeze-dried beef stroganoff in the panic room?


July 05, 2011|By Alex Beam, Globe Staff

Do you listen to right-wing talk radio? I do. Michael Savage’s loopy ravings about Chinese food in San Francisco’s North Beach are as diverting as any Red Sox game, and I have a soft spot for Laura Ingraham. I know, I shouldn’t admit it. But she was a Supreme Court clerk, for heaven’s sakes. Doesn’t that count for something?

I was listening to Ingraham, and I heard an advertisement for food insurance. Huh? These are the people who are always crusading against health insurance, and now they are trying to sell me food insurance? What the heck is that?

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Food Insurance, I can now tell you, is a Utah-based company that advertises on world-is-ending-plus-your-hair-is-on-fire talk radio, and sells pallet loads of freeze-dried, packaged food to the suburban survivalist market. “Do you need more food insurance?’’ the company asks. If so, it will be happy to sell you a One Month Food Kit for $300. That gets you 28 freeze-dried “breakfast servings,’’ 56 lunch and dinner servings, 28 rice servings, and 84 orange power electrolyte drink servings.

For $9,800, Food Insurance will ship you its 3792 Entree Package, “enough food to provide three entrees a day for a family of 5 (2 adults and 3 children) for 12 months.’’ Whew! That would allow you to cower in your panic room until Fox News sounded the all-clear sign, meaning that Michele Bachmann had been elected president.

I make fun of these people, but consider this: Not so long ago, I was at a dinner party with four other families from my “leafy suburb,’’ as Newsweek once called it. They had respectable jobs, they were living the bourgeois life - and everyone at the table had emergency rations stashed in their basements. One family had hundreds of gallons of water. Another had a generator and Costco-like quantities of canned food. Except me, of course. I couldn’t believe my ears.

I haven’t hoarded gold, I failed to prepare for the Rapture, and my kitchen has about four days’ worth of food and drink in it. Does Negra Modelo have the required electrolytes? Never mind. Pace, Ms. Ingraham, Mr. Savage, and Food Insurance flack extraordinary Mr. Glenn Beck, I just don’t believe American civilization is coming to an end. Indeed I’d be interested to know what the indicators are. Other than the declining quality of Chinese food in North Beach, that is.

I hear you asking: What does “25-year worry-free’’ freeze-dried beef stroganoff taste like? Not so bad. I dined in, as it were, on Food Insurance’s stroganoff and on the lasagna with meat sauce. Just add one cup of boiling water (Wait! I thought the Chinese invaders cut off the water supply?), relax for 10 minutes, and eat the swill right out of the foil package.

In case of emergency, read this

Who cares about the end of American civilization when there’s freeze-dried beef stroganoff in the panic room?

July 05, 2011|By Alex Beam, Globe Staff

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Is it “gourmet quality,’’ as the company claims, in a side-to-side comparison with the military’s “inferior’’ “Meal, Ready to Eat’’? Not really. But I’ve subsisted on Eggos, Ellio’s pizza squares, and Hot Pockets for months at a time. Far be it from me to criticize.

Ancient food

Should I assume that you have read Jared Diamond’s brilliant, argumentative, mildly deranged essay “The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race’’? Perhaps not. In this 1987 tract published in Discover magazine, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of “Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies’’ argues that agriculture - yes, agriculture - spelled doom for the human race, and that hunter-gatherers enjoyed, and enjoy, better lives than sedentary toil-tillers.

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I’d call the essay one of the foundation texts for the wacky “Paleo’’ food movement, which wants us all to eat as if we were still competing for mouthfuls of raw elk with the saber-tooth tigers, before agriculture was ever invented.

Whatever the case, Laura Keenan, the founder of food purveyor Paleo People, graciously sent me samples of her all-natural granola “snacks you can evolve with’’: Apple Crisp, Banana Nut, Cacao Nut, and Cappuccino Crunch flavors. “Our paleo ancestors had the secret,’’ Keenan writes. “They gathered nuts, seeds, berries, fruits, spices and natural sweeteners.’’

Her granola snacks are gluten free, grain free, and devoid of oats and fillers. And they are tasty. Keenan doesn’t yet have a New England distributor, but you can order off the website, www.paleopeople.com (http://www.paleopeople.com). Tell them Professor Diamond sent you!

Alex Beam is a Globe columnist. His e-dress is beam@globe.com.


http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-05/lifestyle/29739565_1_freeze-dried-chinese-food-stroganoff


Typical sheep attitude. with a twist.

[Twisted Titan]

Tell Mr Beam ...........The Post Oil Man sends his regards


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QovBLFZhQME

[Dogman]

Tell Mr Beam ...........The Post Oil Man sends his regards


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QovBLFZhQME


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QovBLFZhQME

[wrs]

You will find that those who cling the most to the material world and life are the ones prepping the hardest. They are most likely believe in heaven and hell and also go to the doctor regularly. They fear death but claim they know they will go to heaven when they die or that they will be raptured out before any apocalypse.

The net of all this is that these people fail to enjoy life at all since they expect at any moment it will be ruined. Remember what Lao Tzu said

By letting go, it all gets done. The world is won by those who let it go. But when you try and try, the world is beyond winning.

This is the failure of the prepper mentality, they keep trying to hold on to what they have instead of just letting go and enjoying the ride.

[Ponce]

As I see it..........the future will be........the preps VS the survivalists.........one has and the other wants.

[wrs]

As I see it..........the future will be........the preps VS the survivalists.........one has and the other wants.

My bet is that you will die with all that shit stacked up and someone will just throw it all away or give away whatever is still useful. THSWNHTF.................

[Ponce]

I am ahead than most, unless the timer is set every two hours there will be nothing to take or give away.......not now, but when the time comes.

[Uncle Salty]

You will find that those who cling the most to the material world and life are the ones prepping the hardest. They are most likely believe in heaven and hell and also go to the doctor regularly. They fear death but claim they know they will go to heaven when they die or that they will be raptured out before any apocalypse.

The net of all this is that these people fail to enjoy life at all since they expect at any moment it will be ruined. Remember what Lao Tzu said

By letting go, it all gets done. The world is won by those who let it go. But when you try and try, the world is beyond winning.

This is the failure of the prepper mentality, they keep trying to hold on to what they have instead of just letting go and enjoying the ride.

Do those that have fire insurance live in fear of fires and not enjoy their homes?
Do those that wear seat belts live in fear of car accidents and not enjoy car rides?
Do those that have health insurance live in fear of being sick and not enjoy their health?

Sorry, but your post is a bunch of pseudo mystical bullshit. Lao Tzu would be disappointed with you.

[Horn]

A artful bit of strategy, to keep even larger bulk items into the hands of upper class Americans during unbalanced markets, currency wars & changeovers.

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When SHTF you should be standing here. ^
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[Ponce]

Hey Horn? when did you take that picture of my prep room?......first Book and now Horn.

[Gaillo]

Hey Horn? when did you take that picture of my prep room?......first Book and now Horn.

Looks like you're running low on the goods, Ponce! ;D

[Neuro]

Do those that have fire insurance live in fear of fires and not enjoy their homes?
Do those that wear seat belts live in fear of car accidents and not enjoy car rides?
Do those that have health insurance live in fear of being sick and not enjoy their health?

Sorry, but your post is a bunch of pseudo mystical bullshit. Lao Tzu would be disappointed with you.
I think those above have in many aspects hung up their lives on a false sense of security. Prepping is not a bad thing, but it is more important to be mentally prepared, than physically in my opinion, don't take anything for granted, and don't get attached to what you have. Humans have survived incredible hardship on next to nothing apart from mental strength, while people, who have everything, has committed suicide over a temporary setback, that in the long run didn't mean anything...

[keehah]

Core prepping is not about clinging, but prepairing to be able to adapt. Clinging is also what the herd that has not prepped does when preps are needed.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cling

1. To hold fast or adhere to something, as by grasping, sticking, embracing, or entwining: clung to the rope to keep from falling; fabrics that cling to the body.
2. To remain close; resist separation: We clung together in the storm.
3. To remain emotionally attached; hold on: clinging to outdated customs.

I felt a need to correct this:
You will find that those who cling the most to the material world and life are the ones prepping the [least]. ...Remember what Lao Tzu said

By letting go, it all gets done. The world is won by those who let it go. But when you try and try, the world is beyond winning.

This is the failure of the prepper mentality, they keep trying to hold on to what they have instead of just letting go and enjoying the ride.

Clinging is needing to beleive your delusions about the material to such an extent that you will over-ride the truth of the world your 5 senses are showing you.

From the OP:

I make fun of these people, but consider this... I couldn’t believe my ears.

[Horn]

Hey Horn? when did you take that picture of my prep room?......first Book and now Horn.

I have a secret camera in my bowtie of course. O0

[Dogman]

I have a secret camera in my bowtie of course. O0



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[mrnhtbr2232]

This is the failure of the prepper mentality, they keep trying to hold on to what they have instead of just letting go and enjoying the ride.

Enjoying the ride is akin to just in time delivery as an excuse to smell the roses. Common sense dictates one be self-reliant and the enjoyment of life will follow, not the other way around.

[Joe King]

Making fun of those prepping for long term self reliance is just another way of propping up everyone elses confidance in the con game being dealt.
After all, the only people doing so are those that think the game is going to go bust within their lifetime, and the games dealers are the last ones that would want anyone else to start thinking that way. They need all the players they can get.
So by default, they have to be portrayed as Ca-RaZy!

[Neuro]

Enjoying the ride is akin to just in time delivery as an excuse to smell the roses. Common sense dictates one be self-reliant and the enjoyment of life will follow, not the other way around.

Indeed. I enjoy life far more now, with the security I have been able to stack, the last few years. I certainly wouldn't like to lose it, but I worry far less about that than how to pay the next bill, etc. Which was my reality 5-10 years ago...

[Dogman]

One thing most regular people do not realize is all of our preps that are stored, in general were bought at a lower price than they will be offered in the future. And sooner or later they will be used , even if the world does not go to total hell. The food ,equipment and supply's are not wasted at all. Everything that is/was stored will hold their value.

It is like a piggy bank, broken into in emergency's or the wealth stored is used when wanted at the owners choice.

[wrs]

Do those that have fire insurance live in fear of fires and not enjoy their homes?
Do those that wear seat belts live in fear of car accidents and not enjoy car rides?
Do those that have health insurance live in fear of being sick and not enjoy their health?

Sorry, but your post is a bunch of pseudo mystical bullshit. Lao Tzu would be disappointed with you.

Your own tag line makes my point, you are longing for TSTHTF so that you can be right! LOL!

Whatever happens will happen and there is nothing I can do to stave it off. That said, I have already made my peace with life and feel I don't need to prep for anything other than dying.

[solid]

Whatever happens will happen and there is nothing I can do to stave it off. That said, I have already made my peace with life and feel I don't need to prep for anything other than dying.

Wrs, think about it this way. What I do is try and pay attention to what governments are doing, and try and do some of the same things. For example, .gov has beefed up security...so I should beef up my security some as well (guns/ammo). Gov/FEMA is stockpiling food, why? The 'why' doesn't concern me, it's the actions that count. So, I try and stockpile food as well. Governments own gold, so I figure that makes sense too..

See, by doing all that, if something happens...I won't have to rely on the government to save me. That suits me just fine. I believe freedom is best earned not having to rely on anybody for my well being.

EDIT: BTW, why prep for dying when it's LIVING that counts?

[gunDriller]

i was at a neighbor's garage sale a few weeks ago. he was asking $100 for a scythe - but when i asked him if he ever used it, he said, "what you think i am, AMISH ?!" - definitely making fun of anyone who would use a non-power tool 'in this Day and Age'.

since the basic idea is to cut down grass that can become a fire danger, being able to do it without electricity or gasoline is a plus in my book.

electric weed-eater vs. gasoline weed-eater vs. Scythe ... i ended up buying a Scythe from a different neighbor for $25. thing's about 100 years old !

[wrs]

EDIT: BTW, why prep for dying when it's LIVING that counts?

This is a question based on a false premise and it is the view of most people but it's an incorrect view. If you watch someone die, you realize how people are mostly never ready to face death. Most of your life is spent trying not to think about it or else to kid yourself that it won't happen to you. The fact is, no matter how much you ignore it, death arrives and if you aren't ready for it, then you are going to have a bad experience passing over. I don't believe that living and dying are that much different and if you don't understand death, you can't understand life and vice-versa.

If you can accept death, then you can live life, otherwise you are simply engaged in a delusion.

[Horn]

being able to do it without electricity or gasoline is a plus in my book.

Great item for bringing to a dinner party as well.

There's more than one way to defeat a giant beast, according to David.

[mick silver]

wrs will be the first one in line asking the gov man for a hand out

[Ponce]

One thing most regular people do not realize is all of our preps that are stored, in general were bought at a lower price than they will be offered in the future. And sooner or later they will be used , even if the world does not go to total hell. The food ,equipment and supply's are not wasted at all. Everything that is/was stored will hold their value.

It is like a piggy bank, broken into in emergency's or the wealth stored is used when wanted at the owners choice.

You got it, figured that about 10-20% of my goods wont be any good by the time that I am ready to eat them....but......
I'll still have five to six years of food.............my tp already more than doubled in price.

[solid]

If you can accept death, then you can live life, otherwise you are simply engaged in a delusion.

Nobody should every accept death. This type of brainwashing can be very dangerous, because it's the same mentality that caused Jonestown to happen.

Never accept death. Die fighting for life, always. Life is the present, now. I am alive now and quite enjoying life. I encourage others to do the same. If you are not enjoying life, find out why...and fix it.

[wrs]

Nobody should every accept death. This type of brainwashing can be very dangerous, because it's the same mentality that caused Jonestown to happen.

Those people killed themselves, that is not what I suggested at all. Your problem is that you are thinking dualistically, if I say I accept death you think I mean I want to die. That isn't what I am saying at all.



Never accept death. Die fighting for life, always. Life is the present, now. I am alive now and quite enjoying life. I encourage others to do the same. If you are not enjoying life, find out why...and fix it.

If you die fighting for life, you will not be ready for death and it will surprise you. You will die in fear and pain which is not a good way to die. You need to die peacefully and ready to make the transition without regrets or you will have a very difficult time on the other side. Accepting death doesn't mean you aren't enjoying life, again, you are forming conclusions from things I never suggested.

I beat cancer, I am still here but in the process of beating cancer I had to accept death, it's that simple. If I hadn't accepted death, the cancer would have probably killed me. You obviously don't understand the concept of acceptance. At the same time I accepted that I could die, I believed in the ability of my body to overcome the cancer and to heal itself. In the end, after the tumor was removed, my body and mind came together to produce a strong and healthy body once again. I still accept that death is part of life and that I am ready for death when it may arrive. There is no life without death.

[Ponce]

To me is not a matter of living or dying but rather how I play the game.

[Book]

Remember what Lao Tzu said

By letting go, it all gets done. The world is won by those who let it go. But when you try and try, the world is beyond winning.



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Jews sold a lot of pot to dumbass goyim losers back in the 1960s quoting eastern philosophers...lol.

::) nice try pal

[freespirit]

You need to die peacefully and ready to make the transition without regrets or you will have a very difficult time on the other side.

how do you know this to be a fact?

[solid]

If you die fighting for life, you will not be ready for death and it will surprise you. You will die in fear and pain which is not a good way to die. You need to die peacefully and ready to make the transition without regrets or you will have a very difficult time on the other side. Accepting death doesn't mean you aren't enjoying life, again, you are forming conclusions from things I never suggested..

Wrs, fair enough. I'll admit I misinterpreted your point. I'll suggest we'll just have to respectfully disagree.

From my viewpoint, you beat cancer because you did not accept death. Death was not an option and you fought and won your life. That is honorable toughness, in my book.

My thoughts are to fight until the end, and I want death to be a surprise. This to me does not equal fear or pain, as you correlate, but the opposite. Although I'm not as religious as I should be, I believe God gave us this gift of life, and it's up to us to make the most of it. I don't want to die peacefully. To me that means giving up. I believe the peace is earned after we die, by how we made choices, and lived our lives while we were actually alive. Life is meant to be enjoyed and cherished.

I'll never accept death as a part of life..but more of the ending of life. The ending of life, and a new beginning of something great that we earn.

[Ponce]

"we'll just have to respectfully disagree"..........in other words.........don't curse me out.

[solid]

"we'll just have to respectfully disagree"..........in other words.........don't curse me out.

I prefer, I see your point and don't want to get into a pissing match.;D

No seriously, wrs has his beliefs and I have mine. I do respect that.

[Neuro]

Very profound post! Thank you!

Death is indeed an integral part of life, and until you accept that I doubt you are able to truly appreciate life. And accepting death is far more life embracing, than fighting to avoid it, that is a losing battle...


If you die fighting for life, you will not be ready for death and it will surprise you. You will die in fear and pain which is not a good way to die. You need to die peacefully and ready to make the transition without regrets or you will have a very difficult time on the other side. Accepting death doesn't mean you aren't enjoying life, again, you are forming conclusions from things I never suggested.

I beat cancer, I am still here but in the process of beating cancer I had to accept death, it's that simple. If I hadn't accepted death, the cancer would have probably killed me. You obviously don't understand the concept of acceptance. At the same time I accepted that I could die, I believed in the ability of my body to overcome the cancer and to heal itself. In the end, after the tumor was removed, my body and mind came together to produce a strong and healthy body once again. I still accept that death is part of life and that I am ready for death when it may arrive. There is no life without death.

[Canadian-guerilla]

This is the failure of the prepper mentality, they keep trying to hold on to what they have instead of just letting go and enjoying the ride.

if you want to " just let go " until TSHTF
" enjoy the ride " along with thousands of unprepared hungry panicked sheeple

good luck

the future belongs to those who prepare for it . . . . . . . . TODAY

[Horn]

the future belongs to those who prepare for it . . . . . . . . TODAY

Or at least those couple of hours before they find a way through your defenses.

[freespirit]

Originally Posted by wrs

You need to die peacefully and ready to make the transition without regrets or you will have a very difficult time on the other side.


how do you know this to be a fact?

well?

[wrs]

how do you know this to be a fact?

I watched my father die, I am certain of it.

[SLV^GLD]

There lies a fine line between knowing I am taking care of myself and thinking that I can control the future.
For me, prepping can easily cross that line.

[wrs]

Wrs, fair enough. I'll admit I misinterpreted your point. I'll suggest we'll just have to respectfully disagree.

From my viewpoint, you beat cancer because you did not accept death. Death was not an option and you fought and won your life. That is honorable toughness, in my book.

My thoughts are to fight until the end, and I want death to be a surprise. This to me does not equal fear or pain, as you correlate, but the opposite. Although I'm not as religious as I should be, I believe God gave us this gift of life, and it's up to us to make the most of it. I don't want to die peacefully. To me that means giving up. I believe the peace is earned after we die, by how we made choices, and lived our lives while we were actually alive. Life is meant to be enjoyed and cherished.

I'll never accept death as a part of life..but more of the ending of life. The ending of life, and a new beginning of something great that we earn.

I have come to accept that embodied life is experienced over and over again. I will be back around again and that shapes my view of the world and how I interact with it. If I believed life was a one shot deal then I would behave differently. What we think about life shapes our actions in life. If we think nothing about life then our actions have no meaning and no bearing on our life other than to shorten it. If we look for a purpose in life and try to understand it's meaning then our actions may tend to conform to the purpose as we come to understand it. However, it is seems to me that the purpose and meaning of life cannot be grasped within the temporal span of a single lifetime. I have lived 55 years in this body and it's clear to me that no book, teacher, preacher or system has been able to communicate the meaning and purpose for life on any cognitive basis. There are fragments of knowledge that do get published and act as a guide for the person who is seeking to find the meaning and purpose for life. However, in my view, the true meaning and purpose for life can only be found within and that search within must start from without because we are embodied and thus, we have to recognize the process that life and death are in order to understand life itself.

So in accepting death as part of life, I am prepared to go deeper into understanding the meaning and purpose of life and ultimately of being. Death will simply lead me to the next phase of being and hopefully if I face death with equanimity, I will be more prepared to live the next life and possibly to come to a full understanding of it's meaning and purpose as a result. My being encompasses embodiment and non-embodiment, death and birth are simply the transition phases in those two states of being.

[Horn]

FEMA may have a list, to create & deploy one of these for anyone exceeding a certain limit in COSTCO receipts?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rfx_FRKdS8

[freespirit]

I watched my father die, I am certain of it.

how can you or any of us be certain of what transpires once someone passes? we have NO IDEA what the experience will be like or how difficult the transition into the afterlife will be. i have a hard time believing that ANYONE can be certain of how difficult a time each of us will have at that particular moment...

PS- having to watch a loved one die is a terrible thing for anyone to contend with, and you have my sympathies, however, that still does not provide any indications one way or another of how difficult his journey was after leaving this plane of existence. i'm not trying to argue with you, i just fail to see how we can determine what happens once the individual has passed. for all we know, once we are dead, there is no difficulty, regardless of how traumatic or peaceful one's passing.

[wrs]

how can you or any of us be certain of what transpires once someone passes? we have NO IDEA what the experience will be like or how difficult the transition into the afterlife will be. i have a hard time believing that ANYONE can be certain of how difficult a time each of us will have at that particular moment...

PS- having to watch a loved one die is a terrible thing for anyone to contend with, and you have my sympathies, however, that still does not provide any indications one way or another of how difficult his journey was after leaving this plane of existence. i'm not trying to argue with you, i just fail to see how we can determine what happens once the individual has passed. for all we know, once we are dead, there is no difficulty, regardless of how traumatic or peaceful one's passing.

My father suffered terrible regret in his dying. He saw his entire life for several days prior to his death and expressed constant repeated regrets. I was with him the last week of his life and he was lucid up until the fifth day. He was in great pain and wasting away rapidly due to his body shutting down but he kept holding on, he was extremely afraid of dying. I tried to help him let go and take the plunge but he was scared of letting go. He was sure that there was nothing there and I tried to help him accept that there was.

My father had an innate and irrational fear of something that would ensure release from his pain and suffering but he couldn't accept it. Even if it were nothing, he would be better off than trapped in a body that was full of pain and without any significant function he could control. That isn't life, that is torture but he endured it in fear of the unknown or unaccepted.

I fail to believe that his state of being suddenly got better after his body ceased functioning. If we are consciousness and that is what supports our mental functions, then the confusion for him when he gets to the other side and it isn't nothing would be profound. His consciousness was completely tied to the existence of his body. Compare it to walking along in a dark tunnel and suddenly stepping off into a vast chasm. You experience the utter terror of falling but not knowing where the bottom is. You have a choice, pretend there is no bottom and enjoy the drop, or dread it until it meets you. In the case of the transition from embodiment to non-embodiment, it can take a long time for souls to accept that they don't hit bottom. If you are interested in learning more about the topic you should study some of the occult literature that deals with the subject. I don't suppose that any particular piece is authoritative but I do believe that there is enough information out there that would suggest to anyone who believes there is something on the other side, that they better be ready for it.

[mick silver]

horn we have a few of them we feed

[Ponce]

Horn? every time that you go over $500.00 at Costco a guy allways comes running over to go over you card with his little machine, I turned over my card to the manger in prson and told him why, now I use the card from a friend who owns a restaurant.

First post of the day.............good morning to one and all.

[Horn]

I turned over my card to the manger in prson and told him why, now I use the card from a friend who owns a restaurant.

person, or prison? :-X

[freespirit]

i hear what you're saying, but i'm still not buying it.
and i don't think i'll be looking to the occult literature for any further clarification. thanks for sharing your personal experiences in this, that would have been very difficult for you as well as your father, i'm sure.

[Horn]

A buggout location would seem more important than more than 2 weeks supply.

For after that you will add to the resistance by launching counter offensives on FEMA's supply lines...

[wrs]

i hear what you're saying, but i'm still not buying it.
and i don't think i'll be looking to the occult literature for any further clarification. thanks for sharing your personal experiences in this, that would have been very difficult for you as well as your father, i'm sure.

I am not selling anything, it was you that asked in the first place, I wouldn't expect you to change your beliefs because of my experience. That is what those who proselytize hope to accomplish.

[freespirit]

i'm inclined to agree with you on that one, horn...i have minimal food stores, but i could stretch them to about a month if i had to. what i do have is a very well organized BOB that can provide warmth, shelter, and emergency medical care for 2 people in most conditions...it would not be difficult to disappear for long periods, and still remain highly mobile and comfortable.

[Awoke]

My prepping has morphed from storing food stores into storing ammo alongside my food stores.

If TSHTF, I have everything I need in a BOB to GTFOOD and provide food for my wife and kids, even if I have to leave my rice and MRE's at home.

As some of the respectible members here said, it's about self reliance. When your own corrupt government is telling you to have food stores on one hand, and then telling you it's "illegal" to have too much stored, you better figure out that something is up pretty quick.

[nunaem]

This is a question based on a false premise and it is the view of most people but it's an incorrect view. If you watch someone die, you realize how people are mostly never ready to face death. Most of your life is spent trying not to think about it or else to kid yourself that it won't happen to you. The fact is, no matter how much you ignore it, death arrives and if you aren't ready for it, then you are going to have a bad experience passing over. I don't believe that living and dying are that much different and if you don't understand death, you can't understand life and vice-versa.

If you can accept death, then you can live life, otherwise you are simply engaged in a delusion.

I like the Bushido take on death:


Facing Death

The foremost concern of a warrior, no matter what his rank, is how he will behave at the moment of his death. No matter how eloquent and intelligent you may normally seem to be, if you lose composure on the brink of death and die in an unseemly manner, your previous good conduct will all be in vain, and you will be looked down upon by serious people. This is a very disgraceful thing.

A warrior performs distinguished military feats on the battlefield and earns the highest honor only after having accepted the fact that he is going to die. Because of that, if he has the misfortune to lose in a duel, when his head is about to be taken by the enemy, on being asked his name by the enemy he identifies himself clearly and hands over his head with a smile, showing no sign of flinching.

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What is described above may properly be called the way a warrior dies. In contrast to this, if you fight death, refusing to consider an illness fatal, delighting when someone minimizes your illness and hating when someone says it is serious, fussing with doctors, making impossible prayers and vows, thinking in a confused manner, making no final statement even though your illness gradually worsens, this is like the death of a dog or cat. To spoil your one and only last hour like this is a slovenly way to die, resulting from failure to keep death in mind at all times--as recommended in the beginning of this book--hating to hear when someone dies, feeling that you will be in this world forever, being deeply desirous and greedy for life. If you go onto a battlefield with such a cowardly attitude, there is no way you can die a splendid death in the cause of loyalty and duty.

This is why those who cultivate warriorship refer even to dying in bed of sickness as the "once-in-a-lifetime major event."

-Bushido Shoshinshu by Taira Shigesuke

[Horn]

i'm inclined to agree with you on that one, horn...i have minimal food stores, but i could stretch them to about a month if i had to. what i do have is a very well organized BOB that can provide warmth, shelter, and emergency medical care for 2 people in most conditions...it would not be difficult to disappear for long periods, and still remain highly mobile and comfortable.

This is a good example of where there are two roads, neither of which is more correct, or moral.

Even though Ponce may insist on using tissue as opposed to water on post waste buttocks. :eek:

One can continue to enhance the mobility portion of ones existence out of necessity.