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Ares
12th July 2011, 05:55 PM
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A teacher at the New Mexico Military Institute in Roswell may have discovered the first scientific evidence of manufactured debris made on another planet. Furthermore, this debris was found near the location where pieces from an alleged flying saucer were discovered outside of Roswell in 1947.

Frank Kimbler teaches high school level Earth Sciences and college level Geology at the New Mexico Military Institute in Roswell. He says he has always had an interest in UFOs, and actually had his own unusual sighting in his twenties. So when he moved to Roswell, he decided to put his expertise to the test and take a shot at investigating the most famous UFO incident of all time, the crash at Roswell.

He says his main goal was to find some physical evidence. He started by looking at some satellite imagery of the alleged “debris site.” This is where rancher, Mac Brazel, had told the Air Force he had found pieces of the crashed object. Kimbler used these images to enhance the infra-red in order to highlight areas where the ground was disturbed. He was surprised to find an area that was similar to what witnesses had described. It was about ¾ of a mile long and a few hundred feet wide, and facing the direction witnesses had reported. He also noticed this area had very straight edges, something unusual for a natural occurrence.

His next step was to get out there with a metal detector to see what he could find. He began making trips to the site in May 2010. Using a metal detector that could find a piece the size of a BB, three inches below the surface, he would be able to find small pieces, which was exactly his goal. In previous archeological digs in the area they had sifted dirt through screens with holes large enough for very small pieces to fall through. Kimbler figured that if there was anything left it would be very small and perhaps in animal burrows, or ant hills. An ant hill was actually where he found his first piece.

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What he found was a silvery metal that looked aluminum. This was strange because there were no indications of any sort of aluminum objects in the area. He occasionally found tin, which would come from parts of tin roofs blowing around, and some nails. He eventually found more of these silvery pieces, and says they looked shredded. Some of the edges even appear melted. He also found some aluminum buttons that appear to be the type used on military fatigues in the later 40’s. If that is the case it demonstrates that the military was in the area.

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Kimbler felt the small silvery pieces were interesting enough for further analysis. To get some help he went to the Roswell International UFO Museum and Research Center. Located in downtown Roswell, the museum is the main hub for Roswell UFO crash research. He showed the material to the museum’s director, Julie Shuster, and was able to meet with researcher Don Schmitt. They decided to fund the first test which was done by New Mexico Tech in Socorro. Using a micro-probe, they were able to determine the material’s composition. It turned out to be an aluminum, silicon, manganese, copper alloy. It is not unknown, but it is used in construction and not usually found in a foil form.

This further inspired Kimbler to get some isotope work done on the piece. Kimbler says the isotope work is so important because the ratios are “very much like our fingerprints.” Certain concentrations of elements on earth are unique to Earth. So if you know isotopic ratios for magnesium, it will be the same for anything on earth with magnesium, but if it is not from Earth, it will have a different ratio. For instance meteorites have different ratios because they are not from Earth. Isotopic analysis is necessary to determine if a material is from Earth or another world.

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Kimbler went to the University of New Mexico Institute of Meteoritics, and talked to their expert on isotopes to get an analysis done. Kimbler had not told the expert anything about the samples. He looked Kimbler “square in the eye” and told him that the only reason he would want to get this sort of test done is because he suspected the material was from outer space. He wanted to know where the material was from, and when Kimbler told him he refused to do the test, stating that the idea of a spaceship crashing at Roswell was “a bunch of hooey.” One of the other scientists in the office actually argued the point that if it is something unusual, the importance of that possibility makes it worth taking a look at. However, the expert didn’t budge and refused to do the work. The second scientist was a micro-probe specialist at the University and although he could not do any isotope work, he was able to get more specific information about the material’s composition and confirm the early work that had been done.

Bigelow Aerospace showed some interest in helping Kimbler with his analysis, but after spending months with little results, Kimbler had to go elsewhere. Kimbler was able to find another lab with multiple certifications willing to do the work. The UFO Museum put up the money, and the results were back in five days. Kimbler says he almost fell over when he saw the information. The ratios were off, and as he puts it there were only two answers to explain the results, “either the lab made an analytical error or the material is not from Earth.”

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However, Kimbler’s work is not finished. He says, “Following good scientific method protocol one set of data is not going to cut it.” In order to prove the lab did not make a mistake he needs to get more work done. He says he does have two more certified labs lined up to do more isotopic testing to confirm the work done thus far, and that he may have this work done within the next few weeks. Kimbler says in order to confirm the material is not from Earth, it is necessary to have two or three labs showing the same results.

Another important aspect of the material being aluminum and showing unearthly origins is that aluminum must be manufactured. Unlike some natural elements, such as gold or silver that can be found as nuggets in its raw form, aluminum is not found in nature. If this proves to be material not of this earth, it means this was something that was manufactured elsewhere. Thus far humans are not manufacturing anything in space, let alone something that would fall out of space and land outside of Roswell in a location where an alleged spacecraft was found in 1947.

Kimbler says he is being careful before making any definitive claims, but he is “hopeful.” He says certified labs don’t normally make mistakes, and that these people who did the work are some of the best in the business.

The implications if Kimbler’s material turns out to be of extraterrestrial origins and manufacture are of course startling. Could he have the smoking gun to prove we are being visited by an intelligent civilization from another planet, and that they crashed outside of Roswell in 1947? Kimbler says he will keep us up to date, and has been gracious enough to provide us with pictures of the material and the analysis.

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Ares
12th July 2011, 05:55 PM
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keehah
12th July 2011, 07:49 PM
The headline is bullshit. Even according to the article itself:


The ratios were off, and as he puts it there were only two answers to explain the results, “either the lab made an analytical error or the material is not from Earth.”...

And besides, all he is going to confirm are isotope ratios of a flake from the desert with the composition of a man made metal with some chemical changes that suggest it was in space or an explosive or electromagetic event of some sort?

He basically admits here that he found pieces of a weather balloon or related test craft:

It turned out to be an aluminum, silicon, manganese, copper alloy. It is not unknown, but it is used in construction and not usually found in a foil form.

We should all see through this crap no?
Bring back the trivium!

Ares
12th July 2011, 08:01 PM
And besides, all he is going to confirm are isotope ratios of a flake from the desert with the composition of a man made metal with some chemical changes that suggest it was in space or an explosive or electromagetic event of some sort?

No the isotope ratios will determine if the material originated from our planet or another planet. The isotope ratios are unique to the planet the material originated from.

Since it was bound by metallurgical processes, that indicates something with intelligence manufactured it. If the Isotope ratios are off with other labs confirming it. Then the common denominator comes into play. If the isotopes are way off, yet was bound with other metals and minerals then they are not from here.

I'm taking the wait and see approach myself. :)

joboo
12th July 2011, 08:07 PM
Takes a bit to read, and properly digest what the article is saying, but if those last two pictures are what they look like, some kind of structured, almost fabric like material, and the isotope measurements are off then it should make quite a stir for more testing.

keehah
12th July 2011, 08:37 PM
More like metal foil construction duct tape strength 'Mylar' then. Nothing but the best for the military's weather balloons.

(just an example) http://www.3m.com/product/information/Scotch-Metal-Repair-Tape.html

Neuro
13th July 2011, 01:19 AM
I wonder if the isotope ratios could be changed by a nuclear test, or if you x-ray the material. It appears that isotope ratio is off by less than a percent, which is not very much, IMO...

Ares
13th July 2011, 05:18 AM
I wonder if the isotope ratios could be changed by a nuclear test, or if you x-ray the material. It appears that isotope ratio is off by less than a percent, which is not very much, IMO...

From my reading on it, off by an percent is way off. It's like DNA, look how much a small percentage difference in DNA from the different races for humans.

gunDriller
13th July 2011, 05:52 AM
there was an Air Force press release in the San Jose Mercury news in January 1995.

it was a very short press release.

"US Air Force admits recovering objects from Roswell New Mexico area in 1947. The objects are considered to be manufactured and non-terrestrial in origin".

it was in the middle of the first section of the paper. i saved it, but when i moved the summer of 1995 i threw away the stack of newspapers.

Neuro
13th July 2011, 06:25 AM
From my reading on it, off by an percent is way off. It's like DNA, look how much a small percentage difference in DNA from the different races for humans.

Well you still have the possible explanations that the ratios has been altered by radiation, or that it is a meassurement margin of error... It is a bit strange though if aliens would use the same alloys that we use on earth, don't you think?

JDRock
13th July 2011, 07:09 AM
C'mon people....it was a weather balloon! the government told us, and they would NEVER lie to us.

Neuro
13th July 2011, 02:28 PM
C'mon people....it was a weather balloon! the government told us, and they would NEVER lie to us.

Well recently the government have been telling us, through their agents, that UFOs/Alien spaceships have been visiting us. Project Bluebeam is on! An internet fellow of mine told me he went to some meetings in the 50's or 60's and the subject was TPTB conspiracies, and he was told already then that the endstage was the fake alien invasion to get the world to unite under a one world government... The previous denial of the government can actually work as a boost to the UFO movement, in its early stages. Consider there may be several layers to the deception...