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Glass
14th July 2011, 05:31 AM
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He has a particular group in mind for it's services. Max Keiser Link (http://maxkeiser.com/2011/07/14/happy-quatorze-juillet/).

So anyway that's all well and good but I got to reading and then side tracked as usual. Interesting so I thought I'd share. Be interesting to see what can come to light about these characters of history. If you can add anything please do.

Joseph-Ignace Guillotin
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph-Ignace_Guillotin
Did not invent the Guillotine, he merely conjured up the concept which was brought to fruition by Antoine Louis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Louis).


In December 1788 Guillotin drafted a pamphlet entitled "Petition of the Citizens Living in Paris", concerning the proper constitution of the States-General. As a result he was summoned by the French parliament to give an account of his opinions, which served to increase his popularity and on 2 May 1789 he became one of 10 Paris deputies in the Assemblée Constituante, and was secretary to the assembly from June 1789 to October 1791.

As a member of the assembly Guillotin mainly directed his attention towards medical reform, and it was on 10 October 1789, during a debate on capital punishment, that he proposed that "the criminal shall be decapitated; this will be done solely by means of a simple mechanism." The "mechanism" was defined as "a machine that beheads painlessly". His proposal appeared in the Royalist periodical, Actes des Apôtres.

At that time, beheading in France was typically done by axe or sword, which did not always cause immediate death. Additionally, beheading was reserved for the nobility, while commoners were typically hanged. (More gruesome punishments, like breaking on the wheel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel), were a function of the crime and not class.) Dr. Guillotin assumed that if a fair system was established where the only method of capital punishment was death by mechanical decapitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation), then the public would feel far more appreciative of their rights.

Despite this proposal, Guillotin was opposed to the death penalty and hoped that a more humane and less painful method of execution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution) would be the first step toward a total abolition of the death penalty. He also hoped that fewer families and children would witness executions, and vowed to make them more private and individualized. It was also his belief that a standard death penalty by decapitation would prevent the cruel and unjust system of the day.

On 1 December 1789, Guillotin made an unfortunate remark during a follow-up speech to the Assembly about capital punishment. "Now, with my machine, I cut off your head in the twinkling of an eye, and you never feel it!" The statement quickly became a popular joke, and few days after the debate a comic song about Guillotin and "his" machine circulated, forever tying his name to it. The Moniteur of 18 December 1789 deplored the joking but repeated Guillotine's "twinkling of an eye" statement for posterity.I ended up at the Breaking on the Wheel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel) wiki which was a bit morbid but interesting. Pretty unpleasant way to go.
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The breaking wheel, also known as the Catherine wheel or simply the wheel, was a torture device used for capital punishment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment) in the Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages) and early modern times for public execution by cudgelling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_%28weapon%29) to death. It was used during the Middle Ages and was still in use into the 19th century.

The wheel was typically a large wooden wagon wheel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel) with many radial spokes, but a wheel was not always used. In some cases the condemned were lashed to the wheel and beaten with a club or iron cudgel, with the gaps in the wheel allowing the cudgel to break through. Alternatively, the condemned were spreadeagled and broken on a St Andrew's cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltire) consisting of two wooden beams nailed in an "X" shape,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel#cite_note-1) after which the victim's mangled body might be displayed on the wheel.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel#cite_note-2)
During the execution for parricide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parricide) of Franz Seuboldt in Nuremberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg) on 22 September 1589, a wheel was used as a cudgel: the executioner used wooden blocks to raise Seuboldt's limbs, then broke them by slamming a wagon wheel down onto the limb.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel#cite_note-3)

Glass
14th July 2011, 07:03 PM
I'm not sure what he's getting at
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