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Shami-Amourae
15th July 2011, 03:29 AM
Just watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7lk_wqwfQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BChHUUoxW6U



Thousands line up, stampede to get on wait list for hard-to-get housing vouchers in Dallas County (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20110714-thousands-line-up-for-hard-to-get-section-8-housing-vouchers-in-dallas-prompting-predawn-stampede.ece)

Before the sun came out Thursday morning, thousands of people had gathered around the Jesse Owens (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Jesse_Owens) Memorial Complex in the Red Bird area.
The reward: a spot on a waiting list for Dallas County housing vouchers to help them pay the rent.


When, at 6 a.m., officials said it was time to form a line, a frantic rush ensued — the latest sign of people’s desperation for help in tough times. There were no serious injuries, but video footage of the chaos received national attention.
“Once they said we could go on the property, it was a stampede, a circus,” said Adelia Frierson, a 24-year-old single mother applying for the federally funded assistance.


Zachary Thompson, the county’s director of health and human services, said the turnout once again demonstrates the need for the Housing Choice Vouchers, also known as Section 8. By the end of the day, about 5,000 households had applied. Applicants for the housing vouchers are not required to live in Dallas County.
The hard-to-get vouchers pay a portion of the rent based on household income. This was the first time Dallas County had opened its waiting list since 2006, and applicants may have to wait at least two years to actually receive vouchers.
The Dallas Housing Authority and the city of Plano (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Plano%2C_Texas) each saw similar responses from the public in May when they took applications for the first time in years.
“A lot of times people are shocked there are so many people who are low income and need assistance,” Thompson said. “That’s just the reality of the economy we are living in.”


More than 21,000 applied with DHA, mostly online, for 5,000 spots on a waiting list. DHA had not accepted applications since 2006. In Plano, 8,000 people applied for 100 available vouchers.


DHA and Plano accepted most of their applications online to avoid crowds, but they faced technical problems with the process. Crowd control issues have been a problem in many places, including Atlanta in August, when 62 were injured.
The county has about 3,800 vouchers at any given time and will distribute them to applicants as they become available. The vouchers do not expire, but some recipients become self-sufficient and no longer need the help. Others may have their vouchers revoked for violating program rules.
Applicants on Thursday ranged from young single mothers pushing strollers to older adults with nothing but a small Social Security income. Many in line have jobs but barely earn minimum wage.


Eanisha Fields said she works on an assembly line job at a cup manufacturing company but does not earn enough to support herself and her two children. The 33-year-old Dallas woman arrived at the sports complex after midnight Thursday to get a good spot in line.


“It was crowded,” she said.


Tashia Moss of Richardson (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/Richardson%2C_Texas) has a job as a home health worker — but it does not provide enough to cover basic expenses.


“I work; I just don’t make enough money,” said the 32-year-old, who is trying to support two teenagers.


While a few people brought water and umbrellas to cope with the summer heat, the increasingly hot sun became a problem for some.


Using a cane, Jackie Barrett slowly walked to the front of the line to get help around 8 a.m. The Lancaster woman said she could not stand in line any longer. She had arrived about 4 a.m. County officials provided immediate help to disabled people.


Barrett said she has fallen on hard times since her husband died on Christmas Eve after an operation. The 57-year-old said she cannot make it on her small disability income.


“I’ve been doing so bad ever since my husband died,” Barrett said. She applied for a voucher from DHA in May but did not get on the waiting list. After her long wait, Barrett filled out an application with the county and drove home by 9 a.m.
Some who arrived early were frustrated that they were unable to get good places in line when the county opened the sports complex.


“It didn’t matter who got here first,” said Daisy Emerson, 20, who was still among the first to apply after arriving at 4 a.m. “People who came yesterday shouldn’t have even wasted their time.”


Connie White, 61, arrived about 11:30 p.m. Wednesday but lost her place when the line moved, hampered by a bad back and knee problems. “I need all the help I can get,” she said of the assistance the vouchers would provide.


One resident did not get the chance to apply at all. Claudia Marshall said she is disabled and could not leave her home to apply.


Thompson, the county’s director of health and human services, said anyone could send a representative. Marshall, who called The Dallas Morning News, said she had no one to send.


The 67-year-old Dallas woman said a better process should be in place for the disabled, noting that online applications were helpful with DHA.
“They ought to know better,” she said. “That’s totally unacceptable.”
Thompson said he would reassess the county’s process after news reports of the stampede. He said the county did not allow people on the facility property because officials did not want overnight camping. Still, he admitted that the county could not prevent people from arriving the night before.


“This is what you have to go through,” Thompson said. “It’s like when someone wants to get tickets to a sports event or the latest iPad (http://topics.dallasnews.com/topic/iPad).”
Thompson said that the Sheriff’s Department and Dallas Fire-Rescue did a good job of managing the large crowds.


“People are going to line up, and we just have to control it when it happens,” he said. “We were prepared. They got that thing back to order in seconds.”
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osoab
15th July 2011, 04:59 AM
15,000 people (article said 5,000 households) are apply for maybe 3,000+ slots. Only a couple hundred of the slots are open currently. The rest will be available years down the road.

I think the bigger issue is that once you get one, you can go to whatever state you want and use it.

Glass
15th July 2011, 06:15 AM
How do the vouchers work? Do they have a marked value or is value determined some other way? How many and how often do people get them? I'm interested in the redemption process. Vouchers are a specie of money so they could be exchangeable like "real" money or even in exchange for "real" money. Question is who is entitled to redeem them and at what quantities?

ShortJohnSilver
15th July 2011, 06:37 AM
Did I miss something or are the only white people there, some of the cops?

iOWNme
15th July 2011, 07:03 AM
We are in deep trouble guys.

When people look to government for their subsistence, Government becomes their Master and them the Slave. This AMERICA! The land of the free and home of the brave. When we fall on hard times we are supposed to endure, fight on, make sacrifices, etc. Not roll over like a cheap prostitute and beg our Pimp for a handout.

PUKE.

chad
15th July 2011, 07:05 AM
there's a white lady in line with blond hair, red shirt, and jean shorts right at the end of video 2.

midnight rambler
15th July 2011, 07:29 AM
How do the vouchers work? Do they have a marked value or is value determined some other way? How many and how often do people get them? I'm interested in the redemption process. Vouchers are a specie of money so they could be exchangeable like "real" money or even in exchange for "real" money. Question is who is entitled to redeem them and at what quantities?

Section 8 vouchers can only be used by the applicant who receives them, and the only party they can 'redeem' those vouchers to are landlords whose specific rental property has been approved to be Section 8 housing. This aspect of the Section 8 program is very tightly controlled. It is very attractive to a landlord to have his rental property qualify as Section 8 as it is a golden, guaranteed, long-term trouble-free revenue stream straight from Uncle Sugar. Section 8 tenants are always on leases, general 12 month terms with renewal options. If the tenant doesn't like the property and/or the landlord and/or location they have the option of moving on and taking their Section 8 voucher with them to a new circumstance.

30 years ago when I worked with some property owners who had Section 8 rental property the bottom-feeding parasites already had gaming the system down pat. A couple (always black) would get married, produce some spawn, then then get a divorce on paper yet they would not really split up. The divorce was strictly so the sow could qualify for Section 8. The housing inspector would then routinely turn a blind eye to the fact that the couple were still co-habitating and carrying on just like any married couple. That or the sow would find some new boyfriend to co-habitate with. This was the rule, not the exception.

osoab
15th July 2011, 08:16 AM
Did I miss something or are the only white people there, some of the cops?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Hundreds-line-up-for-Dallas-County-Rental-Vouchers-125555383.html

Check out the vid at the link. They interview a dumb white chick at the beginning.

Horn
15th July 2011, 08:26 AM
http://www.ratbehavior.org/images/maze4.jpg

Spectrism
15th July 2011, 09:58 AM
I am still waiting for Obama to pay my rent and put gas in my car. They didn't tell me I need to sign up for it.

If I can get free housing, food & gas, I won't have to work.

Twisted Titan
15th July 2011, 01:23 PM
I wonder how many of them will runn like that for a oppertunity rather then a handout?

Spectrism
15th July 2011, 01:35 PM
I wonder how many of them will runn like that for a oppertunity rather then a handout?

You bet they will! Like, let's say, there is an opportunity to steal TVs or computers out the back of a truck.... or the opportunity to clean out a department store during a power failure...

.. hey... you didn't mean an opportunity like WORK, did you?

LuckyStrike
15th July 2011, 02:55 PM
OP, you are playing it fast and loose with the word "people" in the thread title.


I love how the news crews managed to interview the lone mudshark out of a VAST majority of black crowd.

Certainly isn't the first time. (http://www.truthinourtime.com/2011/06/cops-distorts-racial-crime-statistics.html)

Spectrism
15th July 2011, 02:59 PM
OP, you are playing it fast and loose with the word "people" in the thread title.


I love how the news crews managed to interview the lone mudshark out of a VAST majority of black crowd.

Certainly isn't the first time. (http://www.truthinourtime.com/2011/06/cops-distorts-racial-crime-statistics.html)

You know... I did not even see the game they played and it was right in front of me. I kept thinking to myself, "Oh, in TX there are normal white people in these government housing facilities. Maybe they are nicer than the east coast slums."

And the rest of the pictures could have been out of Africa. I did notice that most of the cops were white.

chad
15th July 2011, 03:04 PM
luckystrike, are you nordic beserker?

madfranks
16th July 2011, 08:56 AM
It is very attractive to a landlord to have his rental property qualify as Section 8 as it is a golden, guaranteed, long-term trouble-free revenue stream straight from Uncle Sugar. Section 8 tenants are always on leases, general 12 month terms with renewal options.

I agree only if the rental property is a craphole to start with. If you have a decently maintained property with little/no damage, furniture and/or kitchen appliances, it's not attractive to qualify as section 8 because it will all be gone and the house will be falling apart after the first lease term is up. That's why all section 8 housing is garbage.

Twisted Titan
16th July 2011, 09:31 AM
Section 8 is garbage folk that don't take pride in anything because they don't have to pay for anything.......

I had tenants where the gubbermint paid 800 dollars and all they had to pay was 100 and I had to kick them out for non payment.

no need to help them caused they don't want help ....they want a free ride at your expense

Book
16th July 2011, 09:38 AM
http://www.kingsheadcanter5k.org.uk/kings%20canter%20start%202003.jpg

Meanwhile, on the other side of town, Whitey politely lines up at the Employment Office to apply for work.

:D

LuckyStrike
16th July 2011, 10:07 AM
luckystrike, are you nordic beserker?

Yes.


10char

midnight rambler
16th July 2011, 10:23 AM
I agree only if the rental property is a craphole to start with. If you have a decently maintained property with little/no damage, furniture and/or kitchen appliances, it's not attractive to qualify as section 8 because it will all be gone and the house will be falling apart after the first lease term is up. That's why all section 8 housing is garbage.

No, unless things have radically changed there are minimum standards to be acceptable. From my experience (albeit was 30 years ago, but I seriously doubt anything has changed substantially otherwise the program would auger in) you're wrong. Some of the properties in these investors portfolio were very nicely constructed fourplexes only about 7 years old with stained mahogany interior doors and trim - very nice apartments at the time. And although they were located in an integrated neighborhood the quality of the interior was the same as in the strictly white neighborhoods. Section 8 housing typically NEVER includes furniture, only basic kitchen appliances. Granted, more often than not Section 8 rental units were not kept up as well by the entitlement crowd, but the investors I worked with got good money renting out to Section 8 and in the neighborhoods they owned property in the condition their rental units were left in by Section 8 renters were no worse than the units (houses and apts) which they rented out to non-Section 8 renters.

And FWIW, the older generation of black folks they had as renters were typically self-respecting and took reasonably good care of their homes and even though they didn't have much their households were often tidy, clean, and kept up. Now OTOH the younger generation of blacks, having grown up expecting entitlements as a result of LBJ's 'great society', were always shiftless, worthless, and unemployed drug dealers living with their girlfriends on Section 8 which were generally always fucking pigstys. And don't get me started on the filthy messkins.