Where did the Towers Go?

[MAGNES]

Where did the Towers Go?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkvmS53QVv0

Dr Judy Wood Phd talks about her new book "Where did the Towers Go?" Jeff Rense is quite receptive to her extraordinary evidence revealing how the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11 were demolished.

And Dr Judy Wood does not believe thermite or Nukes brought the towers down.
In her elegant 500-page text book, Dr. Judy Wood guides us through all anomalous phenomena of the WTC complex, focusing solely on “what happened” that morning, in a careful consideration of all observable physical/photographic evidence—after effects including seismic signals, magnetometer readings, unto the virtually unknown Category 3 hurricane off the eastern seaboard that very morning. She shows us the direct correlation of this startling evidence as it mirrors The Hutchison Effect—energy-field effects born out of the early 20th century scientist Nikola Tesla’s experiments and inventions—discoveries of a free-energy, not kinetic, activated via interferometry: the interference of various beams, energy fields, or electromagnetic waves. Dr. Wood resurrects to his rightful place Nikola Tesla, the true father of alternating current, wireless communication, and the rotating magnetic field. Though Dr. Wood does not name the exact device responsible as the mechanism of destruction on 9/11, she expertly delineates “the extraordinary effects that can result from electromagnetic interference.”
Where Did The Towers Go?
http://wheredidthetowersgo.com (http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/)

http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/comments/

[MAGNES]

Why is she on Rense ?

Rense rips off Bollyn articles without giving credit to Bollyn,
not even mentioning his name, no link just ripping off his work,
all researched articles connecting the dots and naming names .
Then he quickly takes the articles down next day. Why is Bollyn's
article not posted with links and credit to Bollyn, ? ? ? .

Why does Rense promote Aliens ?

Why does Rense promote information that can be used to discredit you easily ?

He is doing this on 9/11 instead of good coverage that informs. Real crimes real criminals.

Who remembers Fetzer, he went on CNN after " becoming " a 9/11 " leader "
and made the whole movement look like loons, that is why CNN had him on,
a disinfo shill, he is making a comeback now.

This lady seems to be doing the same thing. And Rense is helping her.

This isn't information to promote when there is so much better.

On this forum, all alien posts needs to go to conspiracy too, why on GD.

More than one person is doing this.

[MAGNES]

I am asking questions, and Rense stinks.

Ripping off Bollyn and what we documented on here is enough for me, fuck him and
his site full of alien bullshit.

Airport-Security-Co-Dropped-from-9-11-Trial
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...rom-9-11-Trial (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?50971-Airport-Security-Co-Dropped-from-9-11-Trial)

[vacuum]

I've known about Dr. Judy Wood since before she was on rense and before she wrote her book. I found her through google while searching for certain search terms. Just my opinion of course, but I don't think she is wrong. I've known about these "energy weapons" since before I ever heard of her. He evidence and statements are confirming things I already knew. I had already been kicking around the exact same possibility she discusses before I even heard of her or saw her evidence.

So to me, she's confirming what I had already suspected. There is a lot more here than one person making wild claims. There is a track record of similar claims by independent people. The fact that both her and I reached the same conclusion by different methods - me through having already read material, her through strange physical evidence - is good enough for me.

[MAGNES]

Where did the Towers Go?
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52028-Where-did-the-Towers-Go

Started by Serpo (http://gold-silver.us/forum/member.php?3523-Serpo)‎, Today 05:35 PM


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Reason Because MAGNES dosnt like it

[Book]

Dr. Wood resurrects to his rightful place Nikola Tesla, the true father of alternating current, wireless communication, and the rotating magnetic field. Though Dr. Wood does not name the exact device responsible as the mechanism of destruction on 9/11, she expertly delineates “the extraordinary effects that can result from electromagnetic interference.”

I dunno. I appreciate both Serpo and Magnes and see no need for a family squabble here.

It does seem that her trading on the good name of Nikola Tesla while leading us away from the Israeli trail does not pass the sniff test. The "who" is more important than the "how".

:)

[Serpo]

Why is she on Rense ?
This lady seems to be doing the same thing. And Rense is helping her.

This isn't information to promote when there is so much better.

On this forum, all alien posts needs to go to conspiracy too, why on GD.

More than one person is doing this.

What so much better info are you talking about..........

Since when does taking a video of a UFO amount to a conspiracy

[vacuum]

I dunno. I appreciate both Serpo and Magnes and see no need for a family squabble here.

It does seem that her trading on the good name of Nikola Tesla while leading us away from the Israeli trail does not pass the sniff test. The "who" is more important than the "how".

:)

The how is equally important. If there is free energy technology as well as weapons of mass destruction that can be created in one's garage for a couple hundred bucks, for example, it changes the whole ballgame causes everything to be viewed differently.

And her mentioning of Tesla is warranted. She's talking about interfering two longitudinal electromagnetic waves (the non-Hertzian waves Tesla speaks about so often). Interfering two such waves causes the interference point to manifest either energy to seemingly appear or disappear. It's called a scalar wave interferometer.

Tesla create such longitudinal waves by sending unidirectional impulses of high voltage down a single wire. The antenna was a spherical metal globe. Other methods to create these waves exists, for example I believe they can be done using plasmas. Dr Robert Koontz also describes the same interference principle, and there are others. Tom Bearden is of course one of the primary sources who describes the same thing (who of course isn't without flaws). John Hutchinson does the same thing to levitate objects.

No one source is going to be accurate, but putting them all together makes things clearer.

[MAGNES]

I dunno. I appreciate both Serpo and Magnes and see no need for a family squabble here.

It does seem that her trading on the good name of Nikola Tesla while leading us away from the Israeli trail does not pass the sniff test. The "who" is more important than the "how".

:)

On my end everything is cool. Thanks for comments.

But I don't appreciate my good posts being disappeared,
and history rewritten presenting a false impression which I
see as a low blow.

I always try and promote good sources, if people haven't noticed.

Lots of people have posted nonsense on here and it goes unchallenged.

I didn't know this was the kiss your buddy's ass forum.

Book and I have never done that and we have locked horns too.

Book is like Socrates asking too many questions, putting too many people
on the spot, they murdered him for that. In the end Book is an honest guy
that pisses some people off including my friends. He has strong JewDar.

I remember Fetzer and CNN, one of the only people that got on tv early,
he went down this road and now it is disturbing to see him make a comeback.

The only people I truly have concerns about on here and
am beginning to despise are people that knowingly post lies
and disinformation, they don't care to be corrected, with lots
of info and links they can search themselves, nor do they care
to put me on the spot on what I post.

There are people here that have made very blatant comments
that go unchallenged, I don't know what to make of them they
are so blatant. LOL People will actually tell you " you take them
seriously ", they take themselves seriously enough, LOL .

[Serpo]

are people that knowingly post lies
and disinformation..........so are you saying I post this

why dont you become a moderator MAGNES you seem to have a natural flair for it. and thanks for destroying my threrad which you have now taken up as your own.....................

[MAGNES]

are people that knowingly post lies
and disinformation.

First of all what I posted originally I reposted, it wasn't lost somehow.

Did I say that then ?

My last post is just general about this forum.

I didn't personalize anything against you but you are doing it. Why ?

You have good threads and posts and I never had a problem with you.

I didn't destroy your thread, you want to silence people with that comment,
my comments above I reposted, you are the one that censored them and
made it look like I did something wrong.

[Book]

http://images.free-extras.com/pics/b/beer_toast-912.jpg

First round on me guys. Chill the fuck out.

:D

[Serpo]

First of all what I posted originally I reposted, it wasn't lost somehow.

Did I say that then ?

My last post is just general about this forum.

I didn't personalize anything against you but you are doing it. Why ?

You have good threads and posts and I never had a problem with you.

I didn't destroy your thread, you want to silence people with that comment,
my comments above I reposted, you are the one that censored them and
made it look like I did something wrong.

Lets have a beer on book(hes payin) and forget it..........

[ximmy]

It's about the only thing that keeps him calm...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_exdCIlukYhc/St0Qbk8hI6I/AAAAAAAAARI/XtqNUee7YZ4/s400/300BeerImage.jpg

[Neuro]

Call me old fashioned, but I am not prepaired to abandon, the thermite theory, for this. They found nanothermite in the dust of world trade centers. IMO it beats a free energy theory, which certainly may be possible, but which I never saw practically demonstrated. Just take it over the Occams razor. I like Tesla, which many in the truth movement seems to do too. Dr Woods attempt to bring Tesla into the debate, with a totally unprovable theory, seems like an attempt of dividing the truth movement. She is most likely a disinfo shill.

[Serpo]

I know what you mean and its best to keep an open mind but the whole place did turn to dust

[Gaillo]

are people that knowingly post lies
and disinformation..........so are you saying I post this

why dont you become a moderator MAGNES you seem to have a natural flair for it. and thanks for destroying my threrad which you have now taken up as your own.....................

You destroyed your own thread, my brother... by deleting it. Just sayin'...
MAGNES is not your enemy. Seriously. You are BOTH the heart and soul of this forum!

[Awoke]

And Dr Judy Wood does not believe thermite or Nukes brought the towers down.

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[Joe King]

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I know but it's a pain in the ass

[Joe King]

I know but it's a pain in the ass

but alas, 'tis the only way

[mamboni]

She's a disinfo shill.

The towers were brought down with thermite explosives/cutting charges. These explosives generated superheated clowds of incompletely reacted thermite dust which corroded and melted cars, steel and any thing else in it's path. This best explains the phenomenon of the partially melted cars parked near the WTC and the pools of molten steel found in the basements weeks after the collapse on 9/11.

[Son-of-Liberty]

Agreed there is enough evidence that it was a some sort of demo job already. She is just trying to confuse the issue now. Sort of like the theory that the planes that hit the towers were just holograms.

[vacuum]

She's a disinfo shill.

The towers were brought down with thermite explosives/cutting charges. These explosives generated superheated clowds of incompletely reacted thermite dust which corroded and melted cars, steel and any thing else in it's path. This best explains the phenomenon of the partially melted cars parked near the WTC and the pools of molten steel found in the basements weeks after the collapse on 9/11.

So just because someone doesn't agree with a shaky theory they're a disinfo shill? You say incompletely reacted thermite dust clouds caused the damage to the cars. Accepting the generous assumption that such dust clouds of molten metal metal are physically possible, why would it destroy certain materials (hardened steel) and not destroy other materials? It would destroy everything in its path, like you say.

Now lets look at what Tom Bearden said in 1990 about how scalar weapons were used to bring down the Challenger from what he claims was the Soviet Union using these weapons. Sure, you can completely rebut everything he says, but what is his motive for spewing all this outlandish stuff so long ago? If he is a disinfo agent, what is giving disinfo about? It certainly isn't 911. And most importantly, how come he explains the metal softening and ability of these weapons to change the molecular structure of materials over a decade before we see real evidence of it here?

Reading what he says, he could have been smoking a number of substances. Dr. Judy Wood could also be doing the same. But why do both of their stories and the evidence match? I don't think Judy knew about this "crackpot" when she started her "disinfo" campaign.

http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/history.htm

Metal softening (molecular dissociation) from 1990:


On Jan. 28, 1986 the Challenger disaster occurred. The Challenger was positively killed by the Soviet Union, using the scalar EM weapons through the Woodpecker grid. A host of indicators occurred.
1. The anomalous cold weather in Florida was definitely engineered by the USSR,

2. Specialized cloud patterns associated with Soviet grid engineering and weather engineering were observed and photographed in Los Angeles, California and Huntsville, Alabama, beginning several days before the incident, and particularly on the evening before the launch,

3. The normal "pivot point" for turning the jetstream northeastward was moved south from Huntsville, Alabama to Birmingham, Alabama by the Soviets; this was to force the jetstream much further south, and consequently move unusually cold air into the Florida panhandle, exposing the shuttle to undue cold stress,

4. About 4 hours before launch; all Soviet ships off shore suddenly left the area at speed; this was the first shuttle launch not "shadowed" by Soviet ships,

5. On the morning of the launch, higher frequencies were added to the interference grid to enable much-enhanced localization. The brains of small birds are very sensitive to these higher frequencies, due to their small diameter (wavelength) as a scalar EM receiver. If they remained in the area of localization, the birds would be in intense pain or killed. On the morning of the launch, national TV network news, announcers, noted that no birds at all were flying in the area, something which had never happened before.

6. At the time of the shuttle's destruction, a giant radial cloud pattern was actually in the general vicinity;

7. Three previous shuttle launches—the last on Nov. 26,1985—had been used as direct test targets for tests of the Soviet launch phase ABM/antibomber defense system so the weapon was "zeroed in" on the launch site,

8. The anomalous destruction of the Arrow DC-8 on Dec. 12, 1985 had already indicated a Soviet decision to elevate the testing to the actual destruction of targeted vehicles,

9. At the time of the launch, anomalous electromagnetic phenomena occurred in nearby restaurants,

10. A metal-softening signal was on the grid, as previously detected by Golden. This signal would be detected by the launch flame, and after ignition would result in a steady weakening of the metal in and around the booster flame. Note that the metal was already cold-stressed beyond what it had been tested to withstand,

11. Almost immediately after ignition, the booster seals vented, giving evidence that the cold stress and the metal-softening signal were weakening the system,

12. An anomalous 10 second or so burnthrough of the weakened booster occurred,

13. An anomalous "1ight"—possibly a Soviet EM missile —was observed to play on the rocket before it blew up,

14. An anomalous "flat plate" earthquake over about 11 states occurred within days after destruction of the shuttle. This type of quake is strongly suspicious, and it was probably the test of the grid/howitzers in a ground wave interferometry mode,

15. Substantial winds and air turbulence over the launch site increased the stress on the Challenger as it rose through this region. With a giant cloud radial in the area, one strongly suspects that the turbulence may have been deliberately created or augmented by the Soviet scalar EM grid,

16. A few days later, from 1-4 February 1986, many birds inadvertently flew into the new, localized "pivot point" at Birmingham, Alabama, encountered the high frequency components, and dead birds fell from the sky in substantial numbers. Many different kinds of birds were involved.

17. Most significant of all, General Daniel Graham has reported that, on the evening after the death of the Challenger, the Soviet KGB gave a party and celebrated the success of their perfect active measures against the Challenger! Note that all development, deployment, employment, and command and control of the Soviet scalar EM weapons are under the KGB. Finally, a U.S. classified investigation of the Challenger disaster was ordered by Congress, but its results have not been made public. Beyond any doubt the Soviets destroyed the Challenger, and killed the seven brave astronauts aboard the spaceship.


This isn't the only instance of Mr. Bearden talking about molecular level effects either. Here is another off-the-wall example he's got. Because he claims reality can be directly engineered:
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/071509.htm

(4) The cold-molding process that the Soviets have used for decades to mold the thick titanium hulls of their nuclear submarines at room temperature, by "Dirac tickling" the local vacuum of the titanium so that it contains a "lattice-bond unhappening" pattern of negative energy/negative probability. This Dirac tickling "unhappens" the titanium metal's lattice bonds, which simply and easily disappear, so that the normally-solid titanium metal becomes a liquid at room temperature! Pour this liquid in the very deep molds for the titanium hulls of the nuclear subs. Then just leave it alone and wait until the emptied Dirac sea holes in the tickled titanium's local vacuum are again filled with opportunistic electrons, and the lattice bonds are automatically restored again so that the titanium again becomes a solid—all at room temperature.

Liquid titanium at room temperature? There is someone else, completely unrelated, who is making somewhat similar claims. He says, among many other things, that he can isolate CO2 from the air in liquid form at room temperature: http://keshefoundation.com/powercells/
He also has energy claims.

And speaking of dissociating matter, another thing that is brought to mind is the dissociation of H2O we've heard claims of. They call it electrolysis, but it could simply be using these longitudinal waves, or "energy beam weapons" as you may know it, to dissociate water molecules. I can't find the video, but I remember one of the H20 free energy videos by a retired broadcasting engineer who used radiowaves (probably interfering sets of waves) to turn it into hydrogen and oxygen gas.

[Book]

http://frgdr.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mossad_directors_1949-2009.jpg

Cui bono from these talks about the "how" and not the "who"?

:)

[vacuum]

We already know who, that's why we don't talk about it as much anymore. Of course it's important, but if there is not disagreement on it there isn't much to debate.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

The towers were sent to China within the week and melted down so that no forensics could be done on the material. Everybody knows that : )

[mamboni]

So just because someone doesn't agree with a shaky theory they're a disinfo shill? You say incompletely reacted thermite dust clouds caused the damage to the cars. Accepting the generous assumption that such dust clouds of molten metal metal are physically possible, why would it destroy certain materials (hardened steel) and not destroy other materials? It would destroy everything in its path, like you say.

First of all, I didn't say "dust clouds of molten metal metal are physically possible;" you should work on your poor reading comprehension. Two, there is a hell of a lot more hard evidence for thermite vis-a-vis WTC 1 & 2 collapse than [purported] 'energy weapons.'

As thermite burns explosively, it ejects clouds of non-combusted thermite powder. This powder is extremely hot and extremely oxidative. It will flow like a flame in ambient air, causing rapid corrosion to metals, and melting of polymers and glasses. Sheet metals may melt, secondary to the heat and exothermic reaction of the thermite with the exposed metal.

[vacuum]

As thermite burns explosively, it ejects clouds of non-combusted thermite powder. This powder is extremely hot and extremely oxidative. It will flow like a flame in ambient air, causing rapid corrosion to metals, and melting of polymers and glasses. Sheet metals may melt, secondary to the heat and exothermic reaction of the thermite with the exposed metal.

Thanks for the additional details.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I haven't read her book. She is attributing the dustification of the WTC towers to a technology that hardly anybody knows exists. Certainly none of us have seen such a technology used to destroy anything with similar effects either before or after 911. We have seen the effects of nuclear blasts however--both in atmospheric explosions and in underground explosions. I am better able to comprehend how the WTC could be brought down with a large underground nuclear explosion because this technology is known and somewhat familiar to most people.

In the video in the OP, there is no speculation, no theory that would construct a 'whole' explanation of 911. How it was done, by whom, and why. If there was such an explanation in her book, I would buy the book and read it. In the meantime, this vacuum of information has been filled to a large extent by Dimitri Khalezov http://www.dimitri-khalezov-video.com/Download.htm (http://www.911thology.com) who argues that the 3 WTC towers were each brought down by a 150 KT thermonuclear demolition bomb placed 50 meters below the lowest basement in each building. He claims that the demolition plan was included in the original NYC building permits for the Towers, and was reported to the signatories of an International treaty on the peaceful uses of nuclear explosions. Khalezov says he saw that notice when he was in the Soviet military. He also weaves a pretty credible tale about how it was done, who did it, and why 911 happened. For all I know, they both may be shills--but Khalezov has the more convincing story in my humble opinion.


Hatha

[vacuum]

So it looks like we've got at least 3 somewhat mature theories. That is a good thing, and shouldn't be seen as a source of conflict.

[keehah]

The dis-info is working because yet another 9/11 thread is about dust that has been gone for 9 years.
The dis-info is working because if you can get people to buy into this, then one can never ever hope to blame it on anyone.
The dis-info is working if she can get some fools to believe an 'MO' that may not even exist, and she cannot completely even explain in theory.

Building weekend shutdowns (to set explosives) links right back to a Bush family man running security and the other known criminals destroying the United States.

[vacuum]

The dis-info is working because yet another 9/11 thread is about dust that has been gone for 9 years.
The dis-info is working because if you can get people to buy into this, then one can never ever hope to blame it on anyone.
The dis-info is working if she can get some fools to believe an 'MO' that may not even exist, and she cannot completely even explain in theory.

Building weekend shutdowns (to set explosives) links right back to a Bush family man running security and the other known criminals destroying the United States.

So you're saying that this is disinfo because it does not directly implicate certain states and/or regimes who are known to be likely culprits, but instead would lead to a conclusion that couldn't directly point to those responsible?

Edit: What I was leading to was the response that using this type of meta-knowledge to explain some physical thing like this is bad. The scientific method should ideally be used. Meta reasoning has historically been bad, for example its why the catholic church persecuted Galileo.

I do understand that it isn't totally possible to remove meta reasoning because the video we are seeing is itself meta evidence. In other words, we're seeing her describe the evidence instead of actually physically measuring it ourselves. So we're using meta reasoning to answer this meta evidence.

For me however, the meta part of the evidence is small because I've heard what she is saying over and over again in different forms for a long time (some examples being the long post I made previously). So instead of using meta reasoning, I personally am leaning more toward reasoning based on the evidence presented in the video itself. Of course not everyone has the background to be able to do that, and I don't criticize them for it. But I would suggest everyone try to figure out what they know they know, what they know they don't know, and what they know they can't know based on the knowledge they have.

I know that I can't know exactly what happened with complete certainty, but at the same time I know that I know what she is saying correlates to other things I've heard relatively closely. By participating in this debate with other forum members, I am discovering things which I now know I don't know.