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Silver Rocket Bitches!
22nd July 2011, 10:40 AM
Anyone else noticing articles like this increasing in frequency??
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I just read two very interesting articles on the U.S. economy, written from historical perspectives. They compelled me to share my own historical perspective. And what I want to say is more about our changing culture than our economy.

One of the articles, by Julie Crawshaw of MoneyNews.com (http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/misertyindex-economy/2011/06/17/id/400456?s=al&promo_code=C789-1#ixzz1PmIR3nRj), notes that the "Misery Index"—the combined unemployment and inflation rates—made infamous under President Jimmy Carter, has hit a 28-year high. It's also 62 percent higher than when President Obama took office.
But that's nothing compared to Mort Zuckerman's article in U.S. News & World Report. Zuckerman measures the current situation against the Great Depression. He writes (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuckerman/articles/2011/06/20/why-the-jobs-situation-is-worse-than-it-looks):

jobs (http://www.usnews.com/topics/subjects/unemployment), wiping out every job gained since the year 2000. From the moment the Obama administration came into office, there have been no net increases in full-time jobs, only in part-time jobs. This is contrary to all previous recessions. Employers are not recalling the workers they laid off.... We now have more idle men and women than at any time since the Great Depression. Zuckerman is a perceptive writer who looks at economies from a historical perspective. In my comparative politics course at Grove City College, I use his article on the Russian collapse in the 1990s, which Zuckerman showed was worse than our Great Depression.

I can't say we're teetering on that precipice, but Zuckerman's article got me thinking: Imagine if America today experienced an economic catastrophe similar to the 1930s. How would you survive?
I remember asking that question to my grandparents, Joseph and Philomena. How did they survive the Great Depression?



My grandmother, never at a loss for words, direly described how her family avoided starving. Compensation came via barter. Her father, an Italian immigrant, baked bread and cured meats in an oven in the tiny backyard, among other trades he learned in the old country. My grandmother cleaned the house and babysat and bathed the children of a family who owned a grocery store. They paid her with store products. Her family struggled through by creatively employing everyone’s unique skills.



What about my grandfather? When I asked that question as he sat silently, my grandmother raised her loud Italian voice and snapped: "Ah, he didn't suffer! Don’t even ask him!"
My grandfather, also Italian, returned the shout: "Ah, you shut up! You're a damned fool!"
Grandma: "No, you're a damned fool!"
After the typical several minutes of sustained insults, my grandfather explained that, indeed, his family didn’t suffer during the depression. They noticed no difference whatsoever, even as America came apart at the seams.
Why not? Because they were farmers. They got everything from the land, from crops and animals they raised and hunted to fish they caught. They raised every animal possible, from cattle to rabbits. They ate everything from the pig, from head to feet. There were eggs from chickens and cheese and milk from goats and cows. There were wild plants.



I was captivated as my grandfather explained his family's method of refrigeration: During the winter, they broke ice from the creek and hauled it into the barn, where it was packed in sawdust for use through the summer. They didn’t over-eat. They preserved food, and there was always enough for the family of 12. When their clothes ripped, they sewed them. When machines broke, they fixed them. They didn't over-spend. Home repairs weren’t contracted out. Heat came from wood they gathered. And they didn't need 1,000 acres of land to do this. They were totally self-sufficient—and far from alone. Back then, most Americans farmed, knew how to grow things, or provided for themselves to some significant degree.



That conversation with my grandparents came to mind as I read Zuckerman's piece and considered life under another Great Depression. I realized: The vast majority of Americans today would be incapable of providing for themselves. If you live in the city with no land, you'd be in big trouble. Even most Americans, who have a yard with soil, wouldn’t know what to do.
Isn’t it ironic that with all our scandalously expensive education—far more than our grandparents' schooling—we've learned so little? We can't fix our car let alone shoot, gut, skin, and butcher a deer.



Think about it: If you lacked income for food, or if prices skyrocketed, or your money was valueless, what would you do for yourself and your family?
Americans today are a lifetime from their grandparents and great grandparents. God help us if we ever face a calamity like the one they faced—and survived.



http://townhall.com/columnists/paulkengor/2011/07/21/could_you_survive_another_great_depression

vacuum
22nd July 2011, 10:59 AM
Even with all their skills, didn't like 7 million people starve?

Son-of-Liberty
22nd July 2011, 11:39 AM
Something like that. Wasn't that 7 million starved to death but more like 7 million died early of diseases related to malnutrition.

Joe King
22nd July 2011, 11:50 AM
Either way, this didn't help.

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 similarly restricted production to keep prices high. “Excess” output (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
was destroyed or dumped abroad. While millions of Americans were going hungry, the government plowed (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
under 10 million acres of crops, slaughtered 6 million pigs, and left fruit to rot. Production of milk, fruits, and other (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
products was cartelized to boost prices under “marketing orders” begun in 1937. (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
(http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
These policies reduced employment and burdened families with higher prices. At a May 1935 press (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
conference, Roosevelt read letters from businessmen thanking him for keeping prices high.7 With millions out (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
of work and short of money, Roosevelt thought that his job was to shield high-cost producers from entrepreneurs (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)
wanting to offer lower prices to hard-pressed families." (http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0508-25.pdf)

How dare the entrepreneurs try to help the little peoples familys. FDR showed them.

Son-of-Liberty
22nd July 2011, 12:01 PM
I think I also heard they would just dump shiploads of grain into the ocean. That is how they government helps the little guy.

Joe King
22nd July 2011, 12:03 PM
Fishies gotta eat too. lol

midnight rambler
22nd July 2011, 12:06 PM
Praise Govt. from whom all blessings flow.

The rubes are about to find out how much the Govt. they worship so much loves them in return. The rubes think their Govt. will look out for their best interests - boy are they in for the shock of their lives.

Silver Rocket Bitches!
22nd July 2011, 01:09 PM
I think I also heard they would just dump shiploads of grain into the ocean. That is how they government helps the little guy.

There are countless stories about the government slaughtering pigs, burning piles of oranges, paying farmers to not farm...all to try and stave off the deflation.

Gaillo
22nd July 2011, 01:23 PM
This is what I know first-hand about the great depression:

Living through it scarred my grandmother emotionally so badly that she saved EVERYTHING (including soda bottles, scraps of cloth, cans, worn out clothes, etc.) until the day she died in 2004. She had everything stored in old travel trailors, sheds, broken down cars, closets PACKED, etc. on her property. It took the family, including 4 of her daughters and her 2 sons over 2 MONTHS to clear all the stuff out, yardsale it, give as much to me as I could haul home, etc. before the house was ready for sale.

On the flipside, there is a well-known family in the area that owned a small general store/feed and tack business when the depression hit. Since the owner of the store didn't believe in stocks like everyone else at the time, he had all of his wealth in gold and silver when the thing hit. He shut the fuck up about the gold (confiscation going on, and all...) and used the silver to start buying land as people grew more and more desperate. I've heard tales from people who knew him that he was getting, during the height of the madness, over an acre of land per ounce of silver. At the end of it all, his family owned probably half the land in the county... and most of it is STILL in litigation between his 8 greedy children over 20 years after his death.

I'm sure there's a few nuggets of wisdom in all of that, if people are willing to mine for it! ;)

po boy
22nd July 2011, 01:26 PM
I have no idea if I will survive what is to come but for those that can produce for their own and maybe even produce an excess will no doubt be at an advantage.

I talked to a man who had some used cages for sale and talk turned to SHTF and his belief was that seed would be used a money.

The skills in the op are good to know either way and not being dependent on .gov subsidies in any form is the path to freedom imo.

gunDriller
22nd July 2011, 02:11 PM
yes.

but i wouldn't want it to happen unless the Gentiles became smart enough to shuck off the Talmud-worshippers.

but it is happening anyway.

Dogman
22nd July 2011, 02:47 PM
This is what I know first-hand about the great depression:

Living through it scarred my grandmother emotionally so badly that she saved EVERYTHING (including soda bottles, scraps of cloth, cans, worn out clothes, etc.) until the day she died in 2004. She had everything stored in old travel trailors, sheds, broken down cars, closets PACKED, etc. on her property. It took the family, including 4 of her daughters and her 2 sons over 2 MONTHS to clear all the stuff out, yardsale it, give as much to me as I could haul home, etc. before the house was ready for sale.

On the flipside, there is a well-known family in the area that owned a small general store/feed and tack business when the depression hit. Since the owner of the store didn't believe in stocks like everyone else at the time, he had all of his wealth in gold and silver when the thing hit. He shut the fuck up about the gold (confiscation going on, and all...) and used the silver to start buying land as people grew more and more desperate. I've heard tales from people who knew him that he was getting, during the height of the madness, over an acre of land per ounce of silver. At the end of it all, his family owned probably half the land in the county... and most of it is STILL in litigation between his 8 greedy children over 20 years after his death.

I'm sure there's a few nuggets of wisdom in all of that, if people are willing to mine for it! ;)

My grandparents on my mom's side were effected deeply also, and not a thing was wasted if it had use. One big difference between the great depression and now is. Back then most if not all farms were family owned and their was a shit load of them all across the country. And now most farms are "mega" farms that specialize in a narrow range of crops. Lot's of the very best farm land near city's and towns have been built over and covered with concrete and asphalt. Most of the old family farms are history, not all but a vast majority.

I think it would not take much, to tip the pot over, concerning food to see things go to hell in a hand basket.

Back when , they had little to no factory work, but farms still produced food, and temp farm work was sometimes available to trade labor for food, or pinched.