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Serpo
25th July 2011, 12:41 PM
Allowing your kids to play with the garden hose, filling the inflatable kiddie pool, nourishing your garden with hose water -- these all seem like harmless activities. However, research is now proving otherwise.

Many commercially bought water hoses contain dangerously high levels of lead which leech into the water flowing through them. In fact, according to Consumer Reports, water sitting in a garden hose that has been left in the sun can contain a level of lead that reaches 100 times over what is considered a safe amount.

Many garden hoses are made of PVC (polyvinyl chloride) - a toxic plastic - and lead is often used as a stabilizer in PVC. The dangerous levels of lead in garden hoses could potentially cause lead poisoning, cancer, birth defects and/or reproductive harm.

According to a special ABC report on Good Morning America, reporters from ABC's Phoenix affiliate KNXV-TV randomly purchased 10 garden hoses at places such as Wal-Mart, Target, Ace Hardware, and Home Depot (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Consumer/...). These reporters filled sections of the garden hoses with clean water, sealed the ends and put these hoses outside for about a day. The water was then delivered to a lab.

Five of the 10 hoses, or 50%, came back showing levels of lead much higher than 15 parts per billion (ppb), which is what the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) deems safe for drinking water. Four of those hoses came back showing extremely high lead levels. The same report found that some garden variety hoses are leaking up to 20 times the amount considered safe for usage. Consumer Reports also tested 16 of the most popular hoses sold nationwide, finding that many leached up to 100 times the safe amount at the initial flush of standing water.

Imagine the water flowing through these hoses contaminated with such high levels of lead - do you want your kids splashing around in it in a kiddie pool, or drinking it in the midst of summer play outdoors?

Why exactly is lead exposure so dangerous?
Lead is highly toxic and harmful even in very low doses. The Environmental Protection Agency clearly states on their website that exposure to lead in water that is being consumed above the action level, or 15 ppb, can result in delays in physical and mental development in children, anemia, and muscle problems. In adults, it can cause increases in blood pressure and, eventually with heavy exposure, the development of kidney problems or nerve disorders.

According to the National Safety Council, young children under the age of six are especially vulnerable to lead's harmful effects because their brains and central nervous system are still being developed. For these children, even very low levels of exposure can have disastrous effects, from reduced IQ and behavioral problems to stunted growth and kidney damage. At higher levels of exposure, children could become mentally retarded, fall into a coma, and even die from lead poisoning. Within the last decade, children have died from lead poisoning in both New Hampshire and in Alabama.

Lead can also enter tap water through corrosion of plumbing materials, which is another important reason to invest in a good water filter. Homes built before 1986 are more likely to have lead pipes; however, new homes are also at risk because even legally "lead-free" plumbing can contain up to 8 % lead.

Lead-laden soil and your beloved garden
And let's not forget about the fate of your garden. The same lead-infused water your children may be playing in is most likely also being used to saturate the soil your fresh-grown veggies are growing in.

A disheartening New York Times article on lead in garden soil said that lead is "surprisingly prevalent and persistent" in both urban and suburban soil, which is more increasingly being used for the foundation of home gardens. Many health officials, soil scientists and even environmental engineers are concerned that the increasing popularity of urban "backyard" gardening will put more people at risk for lead poisoning and other hazardous health effects especially those that don't protect themselves.

The EPA and Department of Housing and Urban Development suggest -- but don't require --- lead levels in soil of lower than 400 parts per million (ppm) in children's play areas, and 1,200 p.p.m. in all other soil. However, many and cities, states, and entire countries have set much lower limits, such as in the Netherlands, where 40 p.p.m. is considered highly substandard. Most unpolluted soil averages about 10 p.p.m. In the New York Times article mentioned, one random urban resident's garden had soil containing lead levels of 939 p.p.m.

Dangerous amounts of lead have been documented for almost a decade in backyard and community gardens in major cities such as New York, New Orleans, Boston, Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles, and many others.

Lead-laden soil has been found in both inner city neighborhoods and suburban areas. The reasons for these hazardous levels of soil contamination are many, from lead paint, leaded gasoline, lead arsenate pesticides, lead plumbing, lead batteries and automotive parts, roadways, and so on. While many of these products may have been banned years ago, the remnants of highly toxic lead often remain in the environment. Now, lead-laden garden hoses can be added to the list of dangerous hidden lead.

How to avoid lead contamination
While environmental engineers and soil experts have said any place is potentially tainted with soil contaminated with lead, there are steps that can be taken in order to protect yourself and your family.

First, eliminate the potentially poisonous garden hose and replace it with one you know for certain is safe and lead-free. This will drastically reduce the amount of lead being deposited in your yard and notably eliminate direct exposure when watering by hand or caring for the garden.

A lead-free garden hose is also much safer for providing children a much-needed drink or play in the sprinklers, and pets will also be spared of potential lead poisoning from water bowls filled from the hose.

Warning labels accompany hoses in some cases, but not all. A lead-free garden hose will clearly be marked as safe for drinking. One idea is to invest in a medical grade hose with nickel-plated fittings. These hoses are often sold as marine or recreational vehicle (RV) hoses and are commonly sold in marine/RV stores.

The types of garden hoses that Consumer Reports claim to be safe from lead contamination are as follows:

• Teknor Apex Boat & Camper NeverKink

• Swan Marine/Camper

• Gardener's Supply Co. 33-469

• Better Homes and Gardens Kink-free

Keep in mind that these manufacturers might produce other hoses that are not lead-free, so read packaging closely to ensure you have the right hose. Although it is impossible to eliminate all contaminates from the environment, switching to a lead-free garden hose is a good start as well as an intelligent choice for the health conscious consumer.

The widespread presence of lead contamination in soil doesn't mean you have to give up gardening, but it does suggest the necessity of caution, as well as a possible change in plot design and crop choice.

Local public health departments and county extension services often offer free soil testing; at the least, they can recommend companies or schools that do it for a small fee. Individuals generally mail dirt in sealed plastic bags for analysis.

If high levels of lead are found in your soil, experts advise covering it with sod. You can also alkalinize the contaminated soil by adding organic matter such as compost and lime, or replace it entirely. Soil with a pH level above 7 binds with lead, which lessens the chance of absorption by both crops and the human body. Fortunately, the body will eliminate low levels of lead naturally, as long as you maintain a healthy daily diet.

Home gardens can be planted with fruiting crops such as squash, eggplant, tomatoes, corn and beans because these plants don't easily absorb lead. Some lead-leaching crops are leafy greens, herbs, and root vegetables such as potatoes and carrots.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033122_garden_hoses_lead.html

Gaillo
25th July 2011, 12:46 PM
Damn! It's getting harder and harder to keep track of all the things I'm supposed to be afraid of! :o

keehah
25th July 2011, 12:55 PM
Imagine the water flowing through these hoses contaminated with such high levels of lead

And we will just have to imagine that, since they did not test it.

They filled a new hose (section) with water, heated it, and left it a day.
'Everyone knows' you should wash your drinking water container before storing water in it.' Three times, if in the lab.

Initially high levels of plastic agents leaking out should drop quickly with time. After that initial leach out, and running the hose a few hours, then I would be interested in what the lead levels were.

Serpo
25th July 2011, 01:17 PM
Damn! It's getting harder and harder to keep track of all the things I'm supposed to be afraid of! :o

Dont be afraid ...be aware

willie pete
25th July 2011, 01:20 PM
just make sure you don't buy one labeled "made in china"

Gaillo
25th July 2011, 01:21 PM
just make sure you don't buy one labeled "made in china"

Yes... going without is always an option! ;D

Joe King
25th July 2011, 01:32 PM
What part of manufacturing a hose requires lead?

beefsteak
25th July 2011, 01:43 PM
Joe,
a visit with a polymer analytical Ph.D chemist type answered that question for me a while back. He has facilities both on the East Coast and in Europe, so his name means something in the field.

Lead is not required to stabilize the plastic. What is not being told is "the source of the lead phthalate contaminated polymer" which has been pelletized before remolding into toys, drinking straws, hoses, and a myriad of other plastic containers and items.

The source acc'd to this symposium presenter is none other than lead-acid, AUTOMOTIVE SCRAPPED battery cases, being recycled by the hundreds of thousands of tons by the Chinese, and then sold back to the Americans in various products, including toys, often reported by the MSM as "lead painted."

NOT!

And lead is only ONE of the contaminants in these battery-case, pelletized raw material...most of the contamination is cadmium, NOT lead. Lead is the strawman. Cadmium is the real poison.

Jis sayin' what I listened to not too long back at a symposium.


beefsteak

Dogman
25th July 2011, 01:52 PM
There was something that was said about water hoses , it may have been about the chemicals in them over 20 years ago ,that may apply here, And it went like this. Never drink water right out of the hose if the water has been sitting in it for a long time.

Say if the hose is under pressure and has a sprayer on the end but it is shut off . But it was safe to drink out of the hose after the water was flowing long enough to replace the old water with fresh. The thinking is water standing in the hose has time to leach stuff out of the hose.

This was really true for new hoses, you know what I am talking about it, we have all tasted water from a hose and you could taste the plastic.

This rule is a good one to follow today. I am going to make a guess that most hoses now may be made in china may not be safe.

But the time the water is in the hose when flowing is very short, so the chance of the water being dangerous maybe low.

If the hose is made in the USA, I really would not worry much, but the rule of letting the water flow to clear it out of any old standing water in it , is a good one.

Gaillo
25th July 2011, 02:01 PM
...If the hose is made in the USA, I really would not worry much...

I disagree with this... I suspect EVERY country of origin any more. Keep in mind, fluoridated products, HFCS, Aspartame and other neurotoxic artificial sweeteners, lethal vehicle recalls, etc. etc. etc. have ALL occurred in U.S. products just like in Chinese goods... it is the height of unrealistic expectation to think that just because it comes from a U.S. manufacturer, it's immune to the toxins and shoddy workmanship that plague other country's products. Maybe (actually probably...) this was true in the past, but this is a brave new world, and the cancer has spread EVERYWHERE at this point.

Dogman
25th July 2011, 02:12 PM
I disagree with this... I suspect EVERY country of origin any more. Keep in mind, fluoridated products, HFCS, Aspartame and other neurotoxic artificial sweeteners, lethal vehicle recalls, etc. etc. etc. have ALL occurred in U.S. products just like in Chinese goods... it is the height of unrealistic expectation to think that just because it comes from a U.S. manufacturer, it's immune to the toxins and shoddy workmanship that plague other country's products. Maybe (actually probably...) this was true in the past, but this is a brave new world, and the cancer has spread EVERYWHERE at this point.

What I meant or tried to about us products, is them having lead in them. China is a proven problem area, us company's and suppliers in my mind, I would trust at least the older company's anyway to keep them lead free and adhere to the regulations .

All water hoses that have pvc in them will leach out into the water in them. So the rule of thumb I have posted still holds true.

But in general Gaillo I agree, everyone needs to do their own due diligence.

Joe King
25th July 2011, 02:16 PM
Thanks beefsteak, I'd always wondered how the lead got into all that plastic stuff.

LuckyStrike
25th July 2011, 03:43 PM
A good percentage of water mains in the ground are PVC, municipalities (in most states) are required to regularly test for lead in the system so I find this story unlikely. Who knows what those chinks put in the stuff they send over here, I don't trust it, but I'm not going to blame PVC. If anything I would guess the lead is coming from the solder somewhere in the copper piping of these peoples houses.

big country
25th July 2011, 06:31 PM
If we cant use PVC what can we use? Most of the pipes in my house are PVC. Do I need to replace them with copper? What WONT kill me?

Dogman
25th July 2011, 06:36 PM
If we cant use PVC what can we use? Most of the pipes in my house are PVC. Do I need to replace them with copper? What WONT kill me?


Soft PVC , is the culprit , not the hard type.

Edit: There was something in the old hoses, that it was recommended to let the water run to clear out any old water in the hose. Can not rember what it was. Also I think there are different grades of pvc. It may have been the old rubber hose types? or the inside liner pvc outside and something else inside???

TomD
25th July 2011, 07:25 PM
Did a little google reading and the very high lead levels came from water that had been in new hoses for 20 hours. When I was young, we were outside all day every day and probably 60% of what I drank came from hoses but everybody knew to let them run.


Soft PVC , is the culprit , not the hard type.


I'd bet that 90%+ of the water consumed in the western world is in PVC at one point or another. It's a very common product for water mains, water services and internal plumbing. They'll probably discover that the pipe is fine but the glue---

Joe King
25th July 2011, 07:46 PM
I've always wondered about the primer.

I once saw a guy spill a whole can of it all over himself. Got it in his eyes and mouth and everywhere. Was working over his head with it and lost his balance on the ladder he was standing on.

It didn't look like it was very good for him, at least.

Gaillo
25th July 2011, 07:51 PM
I've always wondered about the primer.

I once saw a guy spill a whole can of it all over himself. Got it in his eyes and mouth and everywhere. Was working over his head with it and lost his balance on the ladder he was standing on.

It didn't look like it was very good for him, at least.

Tetrahydrofuran. NOT good stuff... Google/Wiki it.

Joe King
25th July 2011, 07:57 PM
He left that day and never came back to finish the job. He was a plumber type guy.

joboo
25th July 2011, 09:02 PM
My guess is the hose is baking in the sun. Heat and plastics produce emissions it seems. Same deal with microwaving plastic and food, plastic water bottles in a hot car....etc..

Solution...let the hose run a bit? Rubber?

Kali
25th July 2011, 10:54 PM
I've been drinking water out of water hoses for decades and I'm ok.

Serpo
26th July 2011, 02:56 AM
I've been drinking water out of water hoses for decades and I'm ok.

Good I was starting to worry.......