"Among The Truthers", Straus, the Protocols, and the Chutzpah Maneuver

[PatColo]

Kevin Barrett reviews the new book, "Among The Truthers: A Journey Through America's Growing Conspiracist Underground (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/dp/0062004816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8)" by Zio-Tool Jonathan Kay. I esp like where Barrett describes what I've previously called the Chutzpah Maneuver (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?48510-The-gullible-mind-explained-False-projection-of-honor-code&p=410540&viewfull=1#post410540) - Barrett noting that the goal is to be a "pious fraud", and noting that this particular deceivers' club often writes/speaks on two levels, one for the club's initiates and one for the masses.

This book's appeal to readers on the back cover, is straight textbook Chutzpah Maneuver 101:
"You can't defeat the Enlightenment's enemies unless you understand them. And that is the project I ask my readers to embark on as they read this book. Those of us who continue to adhere to the rationalist tradition must commit to its defense." :o:D;)

Most of this "book review" is Barrett's defense against the books smear job on himself. I've highlighted in red the relevant passages WRT the title of this thread.

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Jonathan Kay's Among the Truthers: "It All Ties in to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion!!!!" (http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/jonathan-kays-among-truthers-it-all.html)

"You can't defeat the Enlightenment's enemies unless you understand them. And that is the project I ask my readers to embark on as they read this book. Those of us who continue to adhere to the rationalist tradition must commit to its defense." - Jonathan Kay, whose book abjures rationalism and instead offers a hodge-podge of ad-hominems against those with whom he disagrees.

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Jonathan Kay's Among the Truthers is either one of the worst, most slipshod books ever written, or a masterpiece of high comedy. Read at two levels -- one for Straussian initiates, the other for the rubes -- Kay's book outwardly poses as an unhinged diatribe against "conspiricism." Beneath the surface, however, it can be interpreted as a viciously brilliant self-parody whose implications are as dark and unsettling as its superficial message is conventional.*

Kay's book strings together a vast agglomeration of unrelated or loosely-related phenomena: deconstruction, identity politics, the rise of the internet and the birth of youtube, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Marxism, evangelical Christianity and its end-times obsession, jihadi videos, Jewish conservatism, Voltaire and the Enlightenment, St. John the Revelator, racism and anti-racism, globalization and anti-globalization, Zionism and anti-Zionism, pop psychology, pro- and anti-Obama polemics, Kay's unhappy experiences with black people at Yale Law School, and a whole lot more, including just about every major historical controversy that has gotten traction in mass culture (as well as more than a few minor ones).

The book's organization follows the random jumbling of non-sequiturs method, as exemplified by its division into the three sections: "Part One: The Truth Movement and Its Ancestors. Part Two: Meet the Truthers. Part Three: Accessories to Trutherdom." In fact, we randomly "meet the truthers" throughout the book, beginning with Ken Jenkins in Part One and continuing through myself among others in Part Three; similarly the historical overview is spread throughout, as is the discussion of what might be vaguely called "accessories" in all of that word's many senses.

Likewise, within each section, the chapters and paragraphs veer wildly from subject to subject, with little or no connecting thread other than Kay's apparent paranoiac belief that all of this seemingly unrelated material somehow illustrates his thesis: That the 9/11 truth movement is the most salient and dangerous manifestation of a horrific conspiracy to spread the "incurable disease" (p. 315) of "conspiracism," a dastardly evil whose "archetype" is the dreaded Protocols of the Elders of Zion. If Kay were in one of my college composition classes I would have him do a lot of remedial outlining work.

How can we explain Kay's lunatic attempt to lump everything in the universe and its opposite together in service to his paranoia? Was the ardently pro-Zionist author, whose only other book sings the praises of a heroic Canadian Mossad agent, unhinged by his discovery that any serious reconsideration of 9/11 leads inevitably to the discovery that Zionists, not Arabs, were the probable villains (http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/alan-sabroskys-shocking-press-tv.html)? We know from Jewish Studies professor Sandra Lubarsky's courageous essay in the volume I co-edited with her and John Cobb, 9/11 and American Empire v.2, that even the thought of possible Israeli involvement in 9/11 raises in her "the terrible desire that it never be true, for I fear the consequences it might have on American attitudes toward Judaism and Israel." (p.96). Could it be that what merely sparks this fear and "terrible desire" in a moderate, reflective, self-aware, principled pro-Zionist like Lubarsky might be enough to drive a fanatical Likkudnik like Kay insane?

While it might be a consolation to the many courageous and accomplished people slimed by Kay's ad hominems and occasional outright libels to imagine that their tormentor is clinically insane, another explanation suggests itself. What if Kay, who hangs around with neoconservatives, were actually following in the footsteps of neocon guru Leo Strauss, who advised his followers to lie in order to conceal their real beliefs, because the truth is too dangerous for the masses? Strauss told his followers to write at two levels: First, feed the public the myths and propaganda necessary to preserve social cohesion. Second, strew your silly middlebrow mythologies with subtle indications that gesture mutely toward the horrific truth: there is no truth or goodness or justice or God; crime usually pays; and the wise criminal who poses as a good man -- the "pious fraud" i.e. the smart Straussian -- always rises to the top.

Is this what Kay is doing in Among the Truthers? Does he expect the general public to be taken in by his superficial and disjointed diatribe against "conspiracy theorists," while reserving for careful readers the pleasure of discovering the method in his madness?

Straussian neoconservatives reveal their true intentions to the few, while hiding them from the masses, by carefully setting up apparent contradictions in their texts.** By placing a seeming contradiction right at the heart of their text, they can make the whole thing say -- to initiates -- the exact opposite of what it appears to say. Kay seems to do this by covertly undermining his book's core claim: That its purpose is to stand as a heroic defense of rational-empirical discourse.

As the book's thesis statement, blown up and pasted on the back cover, puts it:

"You can't defeat the Enlightenment's enemies unless you understand them. And that is the project I ask my readers to embark on as they read this book. Those of us who continue to adhere to the rationalist tradition must commit to its defense."

Yet throughout his 340-page "defense of rationalist tradition" Kay neglects to offer a single rational argument against the core claims of the 9/11 truth movement -- or any of the dozens of other historical claims, good, bad and ugly, that he strings together seemingly at random. Instead, he simply engages in ad hominem attacks, ranging from condescending to vitriolic to downright libelous, against a few of the many people who have espoused these arguments: David Ray Griffin is a crank, Richard Gage is having a midlife crisis, Ken Jenkins is a hippie, Mike Ruppert is crazy, and Kevin Barrett is a drooling anti-Semite who lives in two places at once, got his Ph.D. seven years before he got his Ph.D., and believes a long list of crazy things that he doesn't believe and has said a long list of crazy things that he never said.

Kay's method is, to say the least, highly irrational. The rational position on "conspiracy theories" is, of course, Michael Moore's: "I'm not interested in conspiracy theories, except the ones that are true." In other words, any "defense of rationalist tradition" that considered topics like 9/11, political assassinations, and similar historical controversies would begin by sorting the sheep from the goats -- that is, by ranking the various controversial assertions according to (A) their importance if they were true, and (B) probability that they are true, based on the rational consideration of empirical evidence. Any assertion that would be very important if it were true, and whose truth is supported by strong evidence -- such as the assertion that the 9/11 Commission Report and the Warren Report are so egregiously faulty as to raise painful questions about the health or even existence of American democracy -- would presumably earn high marks.

While painting his whole book as a defense of rationality, Kay actually admits that he cannot win a rational argument against 9/11 truth, even against a relatively unsophisticated opponent: "I'll admit to feeling personally humbled by my failure to get the best of conspiracy theorists: What was the use in going through the official 9/11 report with a highlighter and Post-it notes, much less writing a whole book on the subject of Trutherdom, if I couldn't win an argument with a single college student? But on a more fundamental level, I also felt disillusioned by what this experience taught me about the limits of intellectual discourse itself." (p. 314). ;D;D;D

Kay's apparent contempt for the very rationalism ("intellectual discourse") he pretends to defend is evidenced in his assertions about me, which go beyond mere libelousness into the realm of the bizarre.

On page 167 Kay tells his readers: "Minnesota-based Muslim convert Kevin Barrett, for instance, tells his Truther audiences that Osama Bin Laden could never have been behind 9/11 because the al-Qaeda leader embodies his religion's dedication to 'peace and truth.'"*

If Kay had bothered to make a fact-checking call or email to me, he could have learned that not only have I never lived in Minnesota, but that I have never said anything remotely like this. (Kay offers no citation backing his claim that I made this bizarre statement.) In fact, for the first two years after 9/11, I thought that Bin Laden or other Muslim jihadis were very likely involved in 9/11. And unlike Sandra Lubarsky, I had no "terrible fear" that made me wish it weren't so. I could have easily lived with believing al Qaeda had done it. Had I not discovered the overwhelming empirical evidence against the al-Qaeda-did-it thesis, I would probably be happily teaching literature and Islamic studies at some American university, bothered very little by the thought that a handful of fellow Muslims could have been misguided enough to take bloody revenge for the Palestinian holocaust, the murder of half a million Muslims in Iraq, and a long list of other atrocities. For while Islam does indeed value peace and truth very highly, it also values lesser jihad, or armed struggle in defense of the community against aggression; I have never denied that Muslims sometimes engage in armed struggle, and make many of the same mistakes as other human beings who engage in armed struggle.

When Kay launches into his main diatribe against me (p. 286-289) he continues to get things egregiously wrong. He begins by claiming that I was born into a "Midwestern Lutheran family." In fact, Lutheranism was, to the best of my recollection, the one branch of Christianity that nobody on either my father's or mother's side was ever involved with! (My parents are best described as lapsed Unitarians -- which is about as lapsed as it gets.) If I were a paranoid conspiracy theorist, I would imagine that Kay's Mossad handlers did a background check on me, discovered that somebody in my extended family was a member or lapsed member of practically every Christian denomination except Lutheranism, and decided to attribute a Lutheran background to me as some kind of warped practical joke.***

Kay then says I converted to Islam in 1992. In fact it was 1993, which I suppose is close enough. But his claim that I converted "after marrying a Moroccan-born Muslim woman" (my italics) is not just false but offensive and potentially damaging, since according to Islamic principles I had to be Muslim before marrying her. This amounts to an accusation that my wife violated a very serious point of Islamic law by marrying a non-Muslim. Kay's false statement, were it widely disseminated and believed, would seriously damage my reputation, and my family's reputation, in the Muslim community.

After falsely having me marrying and then converting in 1992, Kay says that I earned my Ph.D. five years later, which would be 1997. Alas, in reality, I did not earn my Ph.D. until 2004. While unlike most of Kay's false statements about me, this one is in itself not defamatory, it does illustrate his reckless neglect of even the bare minimum standards of fact-checking.

Kay goes on to claim that I remained at the University of Wisconsin as a lecturer after allegedly earning my Ph.D. in 1997 until I "created an uproar by publicly insisting that Muslims weren't involved in the World Trade Center attacks" in 2006. By claiming that after I earned my Ph.D. I spent nine years hanging around the same university as a lecturer, Kay misrepresents my career path in a pejorative light. In fact, after earning my Ph.D. in 2004 (not 1997), I earned what I was told was the most prestigious offer anyone had received in the history of my department -- a prized University of California post-doc, which I turned down because it would have involved studying immigrant Muslim activities under the auspices of the CIA-linked Ford Foundation. (I stuck around Madison as a lecturer in 2005 and 2006 in order to focus on 9/11 truth activism, and was successful beyond my wildest expectations.)

But I cannot claim credit for that success. Contrary to Kay's false statement, it was not me who "created an uproar" in Madison. The uproar was entirely the creation of State Rep. Steve Nass, whose call to have me fired from my UW-Madison teaching job made us both front-page news. Prior to Rep. Nass's highly-publicized vendetta against me, I had been simultaneously teaching and doing 9/11 truth activism without any "uproar" from anyone; in fact, not one of the many colleagues with whom I discussed 9/11 truth during that period overtly disagreed with my contention that the 9/11 Report was a joke and that the best evidence suggested a false-flag operation. Nor were my Folklore 101 students, including the grandson of conservative Repubican former governor Lee Dreyfuss, discomfited by the way I spent a few days looking at the 9/11 controversies in that class. In short, I made no effort to create any uproar, nor did I create one.

Look at how Kay characterizes his claim that I "created an uproar":

(In 1997 [sic], Barrett) "earned a Ph.D. in African languages and literature at the University of Wisconsin, where he remained employed as a lecturer until he created an uproar by publicly insisting that Muslims weren't involved in the World Trade Center attacks. ("Every single Muslim I know in Madison knew it was an inside job!")

The clear implication is that I publicly stated the exact words "Every single Muslim I know in Madison knew it was an inside job!" as evidence for my contention that Muslims weren't involved in the World Trade Center attacks, and that these exact words "created an uproar." Kay offers no source for my alleged public statement of these words, which portray me as such an idiot that I would offer what people think as empirical evidence to prove a historical point.

In fact, when I have pointed out that virtually all my Muslim acquaintances were right about 9/11 from the get-go, it has always been as part of an admission that I was wrong, rather than as an attempt to argue from popular opinion. The accurate quote: "From 2001 to 2003, I was practically the only Muslim in the area who didn't think it was an inside job." Saying this has never had anything to do with creating any uproar. Kay's sentences are false in so many ways, on so many levels, that disentangling and disinfecting the multiple strands of falsehood is like cleaning the Aegean stables.

Kay then asserts that I was arrested for "domestic abuse" (actually, misdemeanor disorderly conduct) and pled not guilty without mentioning that the charges were dropped without any conditions -- which is almost unheard of in Wisconsin domestic cases -- because those charges were shown to be false. When a Wisconsin domestic-related case is dropped without the accused having to do any domestic violence counseling, the person has basically been certified as a non-abuser seven ways from Sunday. Such an outcome, rare as it is, is a far stronger indication of innocence than even an acquittal. Kay apparently knows, as do other smear artists, that publishing the fact that a person has been arrested, without mentioning that that person was acquitted or otherwise found innocent, is a time-tested way to attack a person's reputation based on false allegations.

Kay's attack goes on:

"...he's...run a fringe campaign for Congress, hosted conspiracist radio programs, launched a series of ugly feuds with competing conspiracists, and started up a creepy website that publishes the home addresses of police officers and other government officials 'who are alleged to have seriously abused their power over others.'"

Look at the adjectives: fringe, conspiracist, ugly, creepy. No agenda here! And once again, the facts are egregiously, libelously wrong. I have never launched an attack on a fellow 9/11 truth-seeker. Yes, a couple of ardent Zionists in the 9/11 truth movement launched feuds against me -- they hate me for the same reason Kay does, because I don't share their fanatical devotion to Israel -- but in no case did I respond in kind to their vicious attacks until, in every case, months or years after the attacks had begun. Nor did I "start up" a website of the kind Kay describes. As far as I know, no such website ever published any addresses of police officers and other government officials. At the urging of Rev. Frank Morales, a Christian minister who has successfully changed NYPD policy by organizing demonstrations outside the homes of rogue cops, I did once float the idea of launching a nonviolence movement, in the footsteps of Gandhi, that would demonstrate peacefully outside the homes of those who ought to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity, but who currently enjoy impunity. That idea, as far as I know, never came to fruition; but it is a good one, and I do hope that someone picks it up and runs with it.

Kay continues:

"Barrett began his presentation at St. Mark's by arguing that the involvement of Muslims in the 9/11 operation would be an impossibility, since the tenets of Islam are incompatible with any sort of unprovoked violence."

Obviously, neither I nor any remotely rational person would ever make such a ludicrous argument. People violate the tenets of their religion all the time. I believed Muslims were probably involved in 9/11 for the two years after the attacks, and only changed my mind when forced to by irrefutable empirical evidence. Also, the idea that I would characterize an extremist Muslim attack on America as "unprovoked" is laughable, given the long history of US atrocities against Muslims, including the fact that Secretary of State Madeleine Albright admitted that she thought murdering half a million Iraqi children was "worth it."

Kay's false statements about my St. Marks talk run wild: "Nor can we trust the official 9/11 commission, Barrett says, since its executive director, Philip Zelikow, is an 'ethnic Jew.'" The idea that I would not want an "ethnic Jew" to head the 9/11 Commission is ludicrous; among my first choices would have been Paul Wellstone, Barbara Boxer, or Russ Feingold, the three bravest Senators who resisted the 9/11 perps' agenda -- and all three Senators happen to be Jewish.

Obviously I did not say that the only reason to mistrust the 9/11 Commission was Zelikow's ethnicity! My position is that the 9/11 Commission Report is a tissue of lies, big lies, and bigger lies, as everyone from critic David Ray Griffin (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0505/S00295.htm) to the Commission's own co-chairs has shown/admitted. Research by Dr. Griffin and other scholars and journalists has shown that Philip Zelikow was essentially the sole author of the Report, which he had drafted in outline before the Commission hearings began. Dr. Zelikow's self-reported area of expertise is the "creation and maintenance of public myths." The kind of "public myth" he creates and maintains, he explains, are like unto the tale of the "dastardly and unprovoked Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor," i.e. stories widely believed to be true even though they may not be, that exert a searing or moulding effect on both the experiencing generation and subsequent generations. Dr. Zelikow, apparently blessed with precognitive ability, published a 1998 Foreign Affairs article speculating on the likely social, psychological, political and cultural effects of a massive Pearl-Harbor-style terrorist attack in the US such as the destruction of the World Trade Center. One wonders whether he wrote the outline of the "public myth" that became the 9/11 Commission Report before 2001, and whether it served as the script for the Hollywood-style special effects show that transpired on 9/11.

Given the above (and much more) Philip Zelikow is, to say the least, a person of interest to anyone seeking the real perpetrators of 9/11. So what is his background? He is a neoconservative and, like Kay, a fanatical partisan of Israel. The fact that Zelikow, like Kay, is Jewish and a fanatical Jewish nationalist (i.e. a Zionist) is obviously relevant. If a fanatical Saudi-American Muslim named Abdul-Azziz Jones presided over a report falsely accusing Zionist Jews of a mass murder actually carried out by Saudi intelligence, the fact that Mr. A.A. Jones was Muslim and Saudi would be equally relevant. If, in this scenario, someone called attention to the fact that A.A. Jones was a fanatical Muslim Saudi, would that person necessarily be an islamophobe? Of course not! So am I anti-Semitic for thinking Zelikow's fanatical Jewish nationalism is a factor in the 9/11 cover-up? Look at what Zelikow himself admitted about the 9/11 - triggered war on Iraq:

"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 -- it's the threat against Israel," Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of 9/11 and the future of the war on the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation. "And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell," said Zelikow. http://www.rense.com/general50/warforisrael.htm

Kay continues to lob buckets of slime in my general direction, without bothering to research his "facts," when he accuses me of being "that rare breed: a left-wing Holocaust skeptic" (p. 288). In fact, I am neither left-wing nor a Holocaust skeptic. I ran for congress as a Libertarian, a party that is generally identified with the right, and my politics cannot be categorized as left or right. And if "Holocaust skeptic"means someone who doubts or denies the gist of the standard European account of the German mass murders of communists, Jews, slavs, gypsies, the handicapped, and so on during World War II, I am not one. As I wrote to the European Jewish Chronicle, which cited Kay's book:

To the Jewish Chronicle,

It has come to my attention that JC writer David Aaronovitch libeled me in a recent article (http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/50802/conspirers-against-conspirers%20%20). Aaronivitch characterizes my views on the Nazi holocaust in a false and defamatory manner when he wrote: "(Richard) Gage himself has appeared on a US radio programme hosted by one Kevin Barrett, who has described the Holocaust as a 'destructive myth.'"

Aaronovitch either recklessly or intentionally neglected to mention that when I speak of the Holocaust as a myth, I always make it clear that I am using the scholarly sense of the word myth (sacred narrative) rather than the vernacular sense (lie, false account). Additionally, I have on literally hundreds of occasions made statements that make it clear that I do not dispute the gist of the standard Western historical account of German mass murders of Gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, communists, handicapped people, slavs, and so on during World War II. What I object to is the way this historical narrative has been made sacred (i.e. a myth) and used to justify the invasion, occupation, and ethnic cleansing of Palestine -- despite the fact that the Palestinians had nothing to do with the Germans' crimes. One might as well turn the firebombings of Dresden, Tokyo and other cities, and the nuclear annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, into a sacred myth justifying the mass murder and expulsion of the natives of India to make way for the Germans and Japanese.

By falsely implying that I deny the standard account of these Nazi murders, Aaronivitch commits libel. Indeed, he accuses me of a speech act that is a crime in many Western European countries, including some I traveled through shortly before he published his libel! I look forward to an apology from the editors and Mr. Aaronovitch.

Sincerely

Kevin Barrett

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Needless to say, I am still looking forward to that apology.

When I wrote the letter, I had not yet read Kay's book, and did not know that the Jewish Chronicle was citing a quote in it that was falsely attributed to me. Yes, I have occasionally pointed out that the Holocaust is a "myth" in the sense of a sacred narrative, and yes, I do believe its effects -- including the Palestinian genocide -- have been destructive. But it turns out that the JC was using a quote from a bogus source -- quoting something I had never said.

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[PatColo]

[cont'd from OP]


Kay's "evidence" that I am a "Holocaust skeptic" consists of a paragraph that a crazy stalker named Mark Rabinowitz claims was in an email I sent him many years ago. Rabinowitz -- a minor-league political paranoid who harassed me briefly in 2005 about my anti-Zionism, and against whom I nearly had to take out a restraining order -- has never produced any evidence that the paragraph he attributes to me actually was in an email I sent him; nor do I remember writing that paragraph. I am reasonably certain that the paragraph was either altered or invented out of whole cloth by Rabinowitz, since it mentions three alleged "holocaust deniers" named "Green, Irving, and Zundel" about whom I knew nothing at the time, and still know very little. (I still don't know who this "Green" person is, though Kay helpfully informs us that the first name is "Mark.") So here I stand, accused of supporting "holocaust deniers" whose names I barely recognize, based on a false claim posted by a nobody on his obscure personal website. Strangely enough, this completely baseless libel proved impossible to remove from Wikipedia despite repeated efforts, and has now found its way into Kay's widely-published book. Time for a libel suit? Will I soon be the proud owner of Wikipedia and HarperCollins?

From his attack on me, which offers many more false and/or defamatory statements than I care to inflict on the reader, Kay segués in his usual non-sequitur style into a rambling rant about the long and terrible history of anti-Semitism, which (he claims) is the reason for "the anti-Zionists' obsessive focus on the victims of Israeli counterterrorist operations, while ignoring the terrorist provocations that led to them." In other words, throughout the history of the Zionist invasion of Palestine, the 95% of the murders and maimings and kidnappings that are attributable to the Zionists are just "counterterrorist operations," while the 5% attributable to the Palestinians are "terrorist provocations." That's a lot like saying that any Jews who killed Nazis while resisting the holocaust were terrorists, since the Final Solution was just a big counterterrorist operation.

Kay claims that the statement that Israel "deliberately targets Palestinian children playing on roofs" is a "blood libel" (p. 299). His statement must be knowingly false, since I sent him a copy of an article in the prestigious British Medical Journal (10/16/04) (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/329/7471/924?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1098197489353_15440&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&volume=329&firstpage=924&resourcetype=1) which concluded: “Two thirds of the 621 children (two thirds under 15 years) killed at checkpoints, in the street, on the way to school, in their homes, died from small arms fire, directed in over half of cases to the head, neck and chest—the sniper's wound. Clearly, soldiers are routinely authorised to shoot to kill children in situations of minimal or no threat.” Along with the BMJ article, I sent him Chris Hedges' Harper’s magazine article "Gaza Diary" (http://home.mindspring.com/%7Efontenelles/hedges/hedges1.htm) (October 2001) in which Hedges graphically reports that he had been in several war zones, but he had never seen soldiers luring children within range of their guns, then gut-shooting them for sport, until he saw Israeli soldiers doing it in the Occupied Territories.

Does Kay, whose book participates in the cover-up of these child murders, as well as the millions of murders of 9/11 and the 9/11 wars, end his book with a final veiled tip of his cap to the guru of the neocon big lie, Leo Strauss, by way of a quote from Voltaire?

"An atheist, provided he be sure of impunity so far as man is concerned, reasons and acts consistently in being dishonest, ungrateful, a slanderer, a robber, and a murderer. For if there is no God, this monster is his own god, and sacrifices to his purposes whatever he desires and whatever serves as an obstacle in his path. The most moving entreaties, the most cogent arguments have no more effect upon him than on a wolf thirsting for blood." (p. 326).

For atheist, substitute Straussian. Leo Strauss, the guru of Kay's neconservative friends, an atheist and self-professed "teacher of evil," taught his students to be pious frauds, wolves in sheep's clothing, who realize that brute force and hatred, not "cogent arguments," rule the world. The ideal Straussian is indeed "his own god, and sacrifices to his purposes whatever he desires and whatever serves as an obstacle in his path." And since Strauss and his students are fanatical Zionists, they sacrifice to their own purposes whatever they desire (including the World Trade Center and the truth), dispense with rational argumentation, and write dishonest books full of ingratitude to those who helped them, slandering some of the world's very best people, robbing their readers of their reason while pretending to defend Reason, and participating in the coverup of mass murder if not the act itself.

Is Jonathan Kay this kind of Straussian? Has he written a discombobulated book, peppered with outrageous falsehoods, whose only connecting thread is an obsession with anti-Semitism in general and the Protocols in particular, as an esoteric parody of the worst sort of conspiracism? Is his real message that reason and truth are feeble, while the kind of emotion-based character-assassination he indulges in is a far more effective political tool? Is he telling his fellow Zionist Straussians to get out there and win the fight with lies, murder, slander...whatever it takes? Is he telling his readers "Whatever you do, do not use reason and evidence to look at the facts about 9/11! Instead, hurl insults at those who do!" And is he performing this ritual sacrifice of goodness and truth and reason under the smokescreen of an ironic hymn to the glory of reason itself?

Alas, the answer is almost certainly "no." Jonathan Kay is no evil genius. As Gordon Duff said on my radio show (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-071811.mp3), Jonathan Kay is a "lightweight." He even seems to be a fairly nice guy, despite his propensity for libel. I think his nastiness and 9/11 denial are driven by deep unconscious fear, not conscious ill will. In fact, I cannot help but feel the same sort of "affection" (with more than a tinge of condescension) for him that he claims to feel for his victims.

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Notes


*Despite Kay's association with Foundation for Defense of Democracies, the successor organization to PNAC, I do not think he is a scheming Straussian, nor do I think his book is a conscious parody. Instead, I think he is driven by a largely unconscious fear of anti-Semitism, which has developed into something approaching full-blown paranoia: his conspiracy theory that all conspiracy theories are part of a immense plot at the heart of which is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. But it's more fun to read his book as if it were consciously rather than unconsciously parodying itself.

**See Shadia Drury's books on Strauss and neoconservatism. Or read Strauss himself if you have a lot of time on your hands, a high threshold of tolerance for bad writing, and a strong stomach.

*** Please do not miss the point that I am NOT a paranoid anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist, and I do NOT believe any such background check was ever conducted. I know perfectly well that Kay is just a paranoid & sloppy researcher and thinker. This whole review is based on a conceit (not my actual belief) that he's a brilliant, scheming, Machievellian-Straussian Mossad agent. Posted by Kevin Barrett at 10:55 PM (http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/jonathan-kays-among-truthers-it-all.html)


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Kevin Barrett reviews the new book, "Among The Truthers: A Journey Through America's Growing Conspiracist Underground (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/dp/0062004816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8)" by Zio-Tool Jonathan Kay.

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[Book]

I always make it clear that I am using the scholarly sense of the word myth (sacred narrative) rather than the vernacular sense (lie, false account). Additionally, I have on literally hundreds of occasions made statements that make it clear that I do not dispute the gist of the standard Western historical account of German mass murders of Gypsies, Jews, homosexuals, communists, handicapped people, slavs, and so on during World War II.He just lost my support.

::) they got him on the run now...the coward...lol

[Joe King]

I guess he doesn't goose-step exactly the way you do, huh?

[Book]

I guess he doesn't goose-step exactly the way you do, huh?



http://library.thinkquest.org/12663/media/img/wiesel.jpg

Gay Bathhouse

:D

[Joe King]

You probably want to hold Ximmy's oven door open.

[PatColo]

Barrett had Jonathan ZioTool Kay on as guest on one of Barrett's recent radio shows, hosted on NoLiesRadio. Then Kay was the subject of a Barrett show which just aired today, 7/25 on AmericanFreedomRadio.

For the first show you need to go to the NoLiesRadio page and use their player console to listen - I'm not aware of a way to download an mp3 file there. First thing you need to do at the NLR page is hit PAUSE on their live-stream console near the top-right of the page, which autoplays when you open the page, :-X. Then you hit PLAY on the console on the left side of the page, below the radio show's title.

The first show with Kay, aired Thu 7/21 on NLR, is 90 mins- you can advance the playbar through the commercials. Listen here:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/35312 (http://noliesradio.org/archives/35312)

Barrett's blog entry on the show:


Saturday, July 23, 2011

Barrett vs. Jonathan Kay: The 90-minute slugfest! (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/07/barrett-vs-jonathan-kay-90-minute.html)


Broadcast on Thursday, July 21st 10-11:30 pm Central; listen at:
http://noliesradio.org/archives/35312



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xlqrhFJYhvg/TikMw1CopEI/AAAAAAAAAoI/BgxkgxLEkAg/s320/kay-vs-barrett.gif (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xlqrhFJYhvg/TikMw1CopEI/AAAAAAAAAoI/BgxkgxLEkAg/s1600/kay-vs-barrett.gif)


Check out my 90 minute slugfest with Jonathan Kay (it was only supposed to last 60 minutes, but time flies when you're having a good time). The show is archived for on-demand listening here (http://noliesradio.org/archives/35312). Kay is the author of Among the Truthers: A Journey into the Growing Underground of 9/11 Truthers, Birthers, Armageddonites, Vaccine Hysterics, Hollywood Know-Nothings, and Internet Addicts.

Read my review of Among the Truthers: (http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/jonathan-kays-among-truthers-it-all.html)
Jonathan Kay's Among the Truthers: "It All Ties in to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion!!!!" (http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/jonathan-kays-among-truthers-it-all.html)

^^^ around 56:00 Kay goes into how hopelessly underfunded & understaffed Izzy's Mossad is, LOL, then addresses Alan Sabrosky’s Shocking Press TV Interview (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52198-9-11-and-Israel-Alan-Sabrosky%E2%80%99s-Shocking-Press-TV-Interview) where Kay dismisses it as same old talking points, then asserts that Sobrosky's "off his rocker", LOL. Pretty much the same MO throughout his book: dismiss and/or don't address the arguments made, & ridicule/smear/libel the messenger.

Barrett's 2nd show where Jonathan ZioTool Kay the subject, just aired today 7/25 on American Freedom Radio. I don't see that they've posted the archive MP3 yet; check back at http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Barrett_11.html (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Barrett_11.html) for it.

Here's the preview from KB's blog:


Sunday, July 24, 2011

Special "Let's Gang Up on Jonathan Kay" show with Prof. Anthony Hall, Joshua Blakeney, and (maybe) Barrie Zwicker (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/07/special-lets-gang-up-on-jonathan-kay.html)


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HYTyaEAYg7I/Tiztzl8MNlI/AAAAAAAAAxw/lIIqIq1E7Nk/s320/jonathankay-with-black-eye.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HYTyaEAYg7I/Tiztzl8MNlI/AAAAAAAAAxw/lIIqIq1E7Nk/s1600/jonathankay-with-black-eye.jpg)Truth Jihad Radio Mon. 7/25/11 (http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/11/19/american-social-credit-why-we-need-it-now-you-need-understand-stealth-economic-warf), 1-3 pm Central, American Fre (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/)edom R (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/)adio (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/)(archived here (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Barrett_11.html).) Call-in number: (402) 237-2525 or post your questions to my Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1632985004).

Two-hour special "let's gang up on Jonathan Kay" show! (Listen to last Thursday's interview with Kay here (http://noliesradio.org/archives/35312), and read my review of his book here (http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/jonathan-kays-among-truthers-it-all.html).)

Jonathan Kay, author of Among the Truthers, may be diminutive in stature (intellectual as well as physical)...but that doesn't stop him from being a schoolyard bully. Instead of brawn, he uses the platform offered him by the Zionist plutocrats who own and run the media...to beat up on the smart kids. Well, it's time for the smart kids to take revenge! Anthony Hall, Joshua Blakeney and yours truly -- perhaps accompanied by Barrie Zwicker (http://towersofdeception.com/)-- are laying in ambush...

Jonathan Kay savages me in twelve-libel-strewn pages of his book, putting me second only to Mike Ruppert, tied with Ken Jenkins, and ahead of David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage, as the most prominent of his "truther" targets. Kay has also gone after Professor Anthony Hall and graduate student Joshua Blakeney, both in the book and in his column at the National Post (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/11/25/university-of-lethbridge-pays-student-7714-to-puruse-911-conspiracy-theories/). And Kay's unbelievably condescending description of Barrie Zwicker, whose intellect and courage are far superior to his own, must be read to be believed.

Tune in and listen as truth takes revenge on lies...

* * *

[Book]

You probably want to hold Ximmy's oven door open.



http://papundits.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/smokestacks.jpg

The worst air pollution in the history of the Reich.

:'( a crime against humanity

[Joe King]

If you say so, buddy. After all, you should know, weren't you there?

[keehah]

Here is an underailed thread on the topic: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?51737-Book-Review-quot-Among-the-Truthers-quot-by-author-of-The-Volunteer-Canadian-Mossad&highlight=Jonathan

Kay, the MSM 'expert' on such things, is now implying the Norway murder seems a sick ploy to help his gang (Zionism and Israel) because the 'right wing extremists' and 'Truthers' are helping the 'Jews' as 'Jews' are "a source of respect and trust" for 'right wing extremists' and 'Truthers'.
::)
That is a pretty fancy and complicated conspiracy Kay dreams up. One that requires the end of 'anti-semitism' on the 'right' and not being much concerned with issues of " capitalism, Marxism, globalization, [and] financial speculation" anymore.

Perhaps it would be more obvious to conclude the killer acted in a way that supports Zionism, and says he is a Zionist and shows Zionist ties because he is a Zionist.


Although in a sense Kay is right, due to the psychopathic father foundation of Abrahamic mind control Temple mounting and the like addling in Masonry and the other (two) brother(s) with infighting.

Jonathan Kay on Anders Breivik: How a 2011 Norwegian massacre echoes a 1978 American novel (http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/24/jonathan-kay-on-breiviks-norwegian-massacre-and-the-turner-diaries-how-a-2011-crime-was-plucked-straight-from-a-1978-novel/)

Breivik’s sick mythology also shows another new post-9/11 element: the changing role of the Jew in the narrative of the West’s right-wing extremists.

The Jew traditionally has been the primary target of such extremists because it was imagined that his evil hand lay behind those forces — capitalism, Marxism, globalization, financial speculation — once deemed to be most threatening to the traditional Western order that Breivik says he wants to defend. The creation of Israel in 1948 added a new excuse for anti-Semitism: The Turner Diaries are full of references to American foreign policy being controlled by Israel (an accusation that, of course, has now been taken up by the left).

With 9/11, that changed: The greatest cultural and military threat now is seen to be militant Islam, with the Jew — and Israel — now instantly cast as a defender of the established Western order. To quote something I wrote in my recently published book, Among The Truthers: “The Jew [is now seen as] the perfect anti-Islamist, whose zeal and reliability in the war on terrorism was hard-wired into his political DNA thanks to six decades of Israeli warfare against Islamic terrorists in the Middle East. For the first time in the history of Western civilization, the Jew’s ‘foreignness’ and mixed loyalties-to the United States, Israel, world Jewry- became a source of respect and trust rather than suspicion.”

[PatColo]

Here is an underailed thread on the topic: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?51737-Book-Review-quot-Among-the-Truthers-quot-by-author-of-The-Volunteer-Canadian-Mossad&highlight=Jonathan

Thx keehah, I missed your 7/10 thread, Book Review: "Among the Truthers" - by author of The Volunteer, Canadian Mossad (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?51737-Book-Review-quot-Among-the-Truthers-quot-by-author-of-The-Volunteer-Canadian-Mossad)

"underailed" is right- it went unreplied to. I recommend sexing-up your thread titles more.;);D I think your OP essay is also posted to the amazon reviews- several other critical essays are.

[ximmy]

You probably want to hold Ximmy's oven door open.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=417&d=1311659790

[keehah]

I guess he doesn't goose-step exactly the way you do, huh?
You have it backwards Joe King.
Book was posting criticism of those who goose-step.

This is goose-stepping:

I have on literally hundreds of occasions made statements that make it clear that I do not dispute the gist of the standard Western historical account...

[Joe King]

....and I was using it as a metaphor relative to Book 100% not liking someone because they don't see the entire World and all of its problems 100% his with absolutely no deviation whatsoever, permitted.

You know, the way the Nazis were, both in their funny looking march, all in lock step unable to think for themselves and if they did, off to the work kamp they go.

Book would be Hitler in this analogy. ie condemning those who disagree.

[Joe King]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=417&d=1311659790
Nice red "X" Ximmy. You must be new to all this. lol

[PatColo]

He just lost my support.

::) they got him on the run now...the coward...lol


I like Barrett's mix of rationalism combined with humor & good cheer. He's nothing if not fearless of examining opposing views, and having their advocates as guest on his radio shows. But I am sorry to hear Barrett essentially Clapping For Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html) WRT the Holohoax Controversy (http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20Editorials/2010/March/15%20o/Truth,%20History,%20and%20Integrity%20Questioning% 20the%20Holocaust%20Religion%20By%20Gilad%20Atzmon .htm).

He had this holohoax revisionist show in Apr '10,

Truth Jihad radio: is Holocaust Revisionism legitimate? (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?25737-Truth-Jihad-radio-is-Holocaust-Revisionism-legitimate)


Barrett also did this show in Jan '11,

Kevin Barrett asks: "Am I 'Unfair to Hitler' ?" Guest: Carolyn Yeager (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?42521-Kevin-Barrett-asks-quot-Am-I-Unfair-to-Hitler-quot-Guest-Carolyn-Yeager)


Frankly I suspect Barrett is being a bit Machiavellian/Staussian himself in his public stance on the holohoax & hitler... for political expediency's sake. Call it "the real-politik of truth dissemination" at this point in time, but it's simply well known how the ZioStream Media [ZSM] will character assassinate holohoax revisionists, a ploy which "works" because it builds on the emotionally-held beliefs which most of the public have been socially-programmed to hold WRT the holohoax. For Barrett to publicly place holohoax skepticism in with his payload of 911 Truth, would make his 911 Truth message go nowhere, thanks to said public-holohoax-programming. Barrett was vilified & banned several years ago already by the Controlled Truth Movement agents who manage 911blogger.

Truth needs to be rationed out slowly to well-programmed blue-pill noobs; try to back up the dump truck on them all at once, and watch them run like hell, digging in their heels on their blue-pill delusions while they're at it.*

Barrett is more effective in 911 Truth dissemination by publicly Clapping For Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html) - once an otherwise intelligent/curious blue-piller who's been successfully introduced to the rabbit hole- woken up to 911 Truth without being scared off during the process by who they're deceived to believe are "Hitler lovers who wanna gas all dajooz!:o", they will naturally explore other avenues of inquiry challenging "what they formerly knew", including re the holohoax.


* see: The Backfire Effect: Why Showing People the Truth Sometimes Makes Them Believe BS Even More (http://www.opednews.com/a/134203)

[ximmy]

Joe King approved...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo5tymniux8

[mightymanx]

Joe King approved...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo5tymniux8

He is a shill because you think he likes Mel (the anti-semite) Gibson movies?

[Joe King]

Here is an underailed thread on the topic: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?51737-Book-Review-quot-Among-the-Truthers-quot-by-author-of-The-Volunteer-Canadian-Mossad&highlight=Jonathan

Hi. I'd like to take a moment to address your statement here. I hope that's ok.

I hope you don't think I derailed anything. I made one, one-line post where I thought it funny. Just like Book does to whomever he wants, in any thread he wants, since forever.
So it's quite obvious that it's ok to do it, right?

All I did was to post a funny response to him where I saw it applicable.

Then he wants to turn it into WW3 along with a few others to help. {he needs it, too}
Then after I get ganged up on, I get accused of de-railing the thread.
Go back and look at page one, I'll wait.

Even tonight in another thread, Olmstein posted that Book used to do the same to him as he does me. {ADL label etc} So he obviously has a track record of this that goes back quite a ways.
...but for some strange reason, Book doesn't come across as liking it very well when his "serious" post gets made into a joke.
I figured he would like joking around, the funny guy he is. lol


One, one line post just like Book. I learned from him, after all. Where do you think I picked this ----> lol up from? Why, Book of course. Who else? But I'm still working on the pic part. Although I tend to only use photos once. I figure that once you all have seen it, you wanna see something different next time, right?

Thanks buddy! 418



Now, back to your thread......that is, if they'll let it. ???

[PatColo]

....and I was using it as a metaphor relative to Book 100% not liking someone because they don't see the entire World and all of its problems 100% his with absolutely no deviation whatsoever, permitted.

classic Straw Man Argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument) mischaracterizing Book.


You know, the way the Nazis were, both in their funny looking march, all in lock step unable to think for themselves and if they did, off to the work kamp they go.

Ironic, that "Nazi" caricature you describe re alleged events in Germany +/- 70 years ago, and how it aptly describes what indisputably happens today in many western zio-kontrolled countries when their citizens dare to think for themselves rather than goose-clapping for Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html) - off to prison kamp they go! [Irving, Rudolf, Zundel, Zundel's defense attorney (http://www.ihr.org/news/061112_prisoners_of_conscience.shtml), etc]


Book would be Hitler in this analogy. ie condemning those who disagree.

Aren't you inferring condemnation towards all GSUS readers who disagree with the Official Zionist Holohoax Narrative? (http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20Editorials/2010/March/15%20o/Truth,%20History,%20and%20Integrity%20Questioning% 20the%20Holocaust%20Religion%20By%20Gilad%20Atzmon .htm) ... while at the same time inferring that you are of sufficient piety yourself to be in a position to condemn all those who you judge to "condemn those who disagree" ??? Shades of the very Chutzpah Maneuvering this thread exists to discuss... rock on JK! 8)

And dropping those ADL emotion-trigger words memetically-engineered to instantly halt rational thought among well-programmed blue-pillers, you know, goose-step, oven, Nazis, Hitler... ??? ...not to mention the other well known dangerous-thought-stopper trigger-words which you've so-far spared readers in this thread, IE neo-Nazi, anti-Semite, extremist, holocaust DENIER, supremacist... ::)

[Book]

You know, the way the Nazis were, both in their funny looking march, all in lock step unable to think for themselves and if they did, off to the work kamp they go.



http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/hol-pix/sachs-pris.jpg

According to you these guys OBEDIENTLY MARCHED into "gas chambers" after being told a nice warm free bagel awaits first come first served.

::) just sayin'

[Book]

I apologize to PatColo and Keehah for derailing this thread.

Sorry guys.

[PatColo]

I apologize to PatColo and Keehah for derailing this thread.

Sorry guys.

No need, Barrett did devote a goodly amount of space in his book review essay to insisting he Claps For Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html), and his insistence floats there like a turd in the punchbowl of a review otherwise loaded with down-home wholesome truthyness; so it's fair game for scrutiny. I already suggested in reply 17 what I suspect is his game there- he's too smart & knows too much to possibly believe what he claims re the holohoax. He converted to Scary Moozlemislamistism around 20 years ago and lived in the mideast for years (Morocco I think), immersed in that society, where every cabbie & shoeshine boy know about 911 truth and the holohoax as the fraudulent-pretext for Rothschild-Zionist Occupied Palestine (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?23047-The-Zionist-Elephant-In-The-Room).

And your zeroing in on KB's official/public holohoax position drew out some interesting responses which themselves demonstrate the very Chutzpah Maneuver theme of this thread! 8)

[Book]

And dropping those ADL emotion-trigger words memetically-engineered to instantly halt rational thought among well-programmed blue-pillers, you know, goose-step, oven, Nazis, Hitler... ??? ...not to mention the other well known dangerous-thought-stopper trigger-words which you've so-far spared readers in this thread, IE neo-Nazi, anti-Semite, extremist, holocaust DENIER, supremacist... ::)



http://www.google.com/imgres?q=trains+concentration+camp&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1280&bih=576&tbm=isch&tbnid=Dr0NU_CBzS4_QM:&imgrefurl=http://holocaustresearchproject.over-blog.com/article-testimony-of-a-chelmno-death-camp-survivor-50038086.html&docid=aJkw9P2Rnls6pM&w=448&h=284&ei=KKAuTv33AejkiAL4zKwr&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=527&vpy=172&dur=778&hovh=179&hovw=282&tx=123&ty=127&page=4&tbnh=109&tbnw=172&start=54&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:54http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/survivor/images/Jews%20from%20Lodz%20loaded%20onto%20freight%20tra ins%20bound%20for%20Chelmno.jpg

Joe King maybe can explain to us goyim why jews eagerly "marched into gas chambers" without putting up a fight.

One theory I heard was that German jews heard a rumor about these bagel factories in Poland that had huge ovens. They could see the smokestacks of the ovens from miles away so eagerly started hopping on railcars like hobos to get to them in Poland. They didn't want day-old-bagels from Poland. They wanted their bagels fresh and still warm from the oven.

After the war, not one single "gas chamber" was ever found.

The jews would line up at dawn demanding a still-warm fresh bagel:

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/kristallnacht/images/image6b.jpg

Some would rudely even climb into the ovens to get a fresh warm bagel. This has since been described as "bagel stepping" into the ovens.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/annekl/Emoticons/oy-vey-smiley.gif

http://blog.oregonlive.com/news_impact/2009/08/large_miriam-greenstein.jpg

Even today people like Joe King keep the fond memory of the Auschwitz Bagel Bakery alive by taking tours and posting on internet forums.

:)

[JDRock]

this is an important thread.....jew-kings personal attacks notwithstanding...and,btw, WHY do all those people in the concentration camps, sent by jew shekelgruber all look so gentile???

[Joe King]

Apparently he won't let the thread continue. lol

Pretty sad that trying to pull a "Book" on Book shows how frogile his ego is. I just thought it lol that you reject a guy based on one line out of his writings because if someone doesn't think exactly like you, that makes them automaticly a "Jew".

You couldn't get any more pathetic if you tried, PictureBook. lol


Now, will he let the thread continue? I really doubt it as there's no way his ego will let lil' ol' me have the last word. Prove me wrongBook. I dare you, you goose-stepper. lol

[Book]

All I did was to post a funny response to him where I saw it applicable. Then he wants to turn it into WW3 along with a few others to help. {he needs it, too} Then after I get ganged up on, I get accused of de-railing the thread.



Interesting. In thread after thread here you insist that there are no groups of people...just INDIVIDUALS. Now here you are accusing us INDIVIDUALS of "ganging up on you" as a.......................gang.

:D Mr. King really doesn't judge people as INDIVIDUALS...the hypocrite

[Joe King]

this is an important thread.....jew-kings personal attacks notwithstanding...and,btw, WHY do all those people in the concentration camps, sent by jew shekelgruber all look so gentile???

I was just doing back to Book that which Book does to others.


But apparently the Book is "sacred". lol lol lol

[Joe King]

Interesting. In thread after thread here you insist that there are no groups of people...just INDIVIDUALS. Now here you are accusing us INDIVIDUALS of "ganging up on you" as a.......................gang.

:D Mr. King really doesn't judge people as INDIVIDUALS...the hypocrite


People are individuals.

However, even individuals can act as a mob. Which is exactly what is happening.
An attempt at "mob rule".

[Joe King]

So Book, why is ok for you to twist others words in your attempt to be "funny", but if anyone does it to you, they are automaticly a "Jew"?

Where's your sense of humor, pal?

I've just been learning from the master as to how to tear others posts apart in the name of humor.

One, one-line post....just like you do. Are you mad at me because I didn't use a pic, too?

[ximmy]

I've just been learning... how to tear others posts apart...

Fixed it for you...

[Book]

Now, will he let the thread continue?



420

You don't want to hear about this jew who saved his tribe from wandering in the wilderness for forty years searching for the Auschwitz Bagel Bakery? How he followed his nose to the smokestack in Poland and led his people out of Egypt?

::) you don't want to hear about the famous Moses Snozzle?

[Book]

People are individuals.

However, even individuals can act as a mob.



http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/aa-black-gang-attacking-car.jpg

You are now famous here for insisting that we should never judge INDIVIDUAL black people as a group.

::) in too many threads to count now

[PatColo]

Barrett's 2nd show where Jonathan ZioTool Kay the subject, just aired today 7/25 on American Freedom Radio. I don't see that they've posted the archive MP3 yet; check back at http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Barrett_11.html (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Barrett_11.html) for it.

Here's the preview from KB's blog:

the mp3 for this show is now posted,
07/25/2011 (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-072511.mp3) Monday - 1st Hour: With Anthony Hall and Joshua Blakeney. 2nd Hour: More With Anthony Hall and Joshua Blakeney.

[JDRock]

classic Straw Man Argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_argument) mischaracterizing Book.



Ironic, that "Nazi" caricature you describe re alleged events in Germany +/- 70 years ago, and how it aptly describes what indisputably happens today in many western zio-kontrolled countries when their citizens dare to think for themselves rather than goose-clapping for Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html) - off to prison kamp they go! [Irving, Rudolf, Zundel, Zundel's defense attorney (http://www.ihr.org/news/061112_prisoners_of_conscience.shtml), etc]



Aren't you inferring condemnation towards all GSUS readers who disagree with the Official Zionist Holohoax Narrative? (http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20Editorials/2010/March/15%20o/Truth,%20History,%20and%20Integrity%20Questioning% 20the%20Holocaust%20Religion%20By%20Gilad%20Atzmon .htm) ... while at the same time inferring that you are of sufficient piety yourself to be in a position to condemn all those who you judge to "condemn those who disagree" ??? Shades of the very Chutzpah Maneuvering this thread exists to discuss... rock on JK! 8)

And dropping those ADL emotion-trigger words memetically-engineered to instantly halt rational thought among well-programmed blue-pillers, you know, goose-step, oven, Nazis, Hitler... ??? ...not to mention the other well known dangerous-thought-stopper trigger-words which you've so-far spared readers in this thread, IE neo-Nazi, anti-Semite, extremist, holocaust DENIER, supremacist... ::)

Game over !
Game-set-match = pat colo.

[mightymanx]

Game over !
Game-set-match = pat colo.


Al Gore said the global warming debate is over as well.

Calls for ending an argument is usualy to try and stifle the other side.

[JDRock]

Al Gore said the global warming debate is over as well.

Calls for ending an argument is usualy to try and stifle the other side.

wrong...comparing pats well researched posts to al gores hysterical propaganda is criminal. the debate was lost to your side on your inability to refute his stated facts.....as you just showed us in your last post by misdirecting and keeping things off topic....so pass the laptop to another adl hack and have a bagel.

[mightymanx]

wrong...comparing pats well researched posts to al gores hysterical propaganda is criminal. the debate was lost to your side on your inability to refute his stated facts.....as you just showed us in your last post by misdirecting and keeping things off topic....so pass the laptop to another adl hack and have a bagel.

Where have I heard our argument before.



RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid "un-fun" activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists' minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management's wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
R
ULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420684/posts

Like I said you use the tactics you suposedly dispise.

Yet you call some one else a ADL hack.

Classic

[JDRock]

back on TOPIC. please just
ONCE..refute ON POINT and with FACTS pats argument.....ok, so WHO's diverting shilling etc?
remember the veterans here have already been through hundreds like you 3 stooges...at least a few were clever and they made it fun.....standard adl tactic, when confronted with truth, divert attention TO the poster, claiming he's diverting attention....yawn. no more bullshit either prove pat wrong or admit defeat.

[PatColo]

JD: not sure which argument you're asking about.

I asked JKing one question which he has so far ignored,


Aren't you inferring condemnation towards all GSUS readers who disagree with the Official Zionist Holohoax Narrative? (http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20Editorials/2010/March/15%20o/Truth,%20History,%20and%20Integrity%20Questioning% 20the%20Holocaust%20Religion%20By%20Gilad%20Atzmon .htm) ... while at the same time inferring that you are of sufficient piety yourself to be in a position to condemn all those who you judge to "condemn those who disagree" ???and there's an inferred question to JK here, namely "isn't it true that independent holocaust researcher/revisionists today are treated in the same way as JK paints his "Nazi" caricature?", which JK has also ignored so far:


Ironic, that "Nazi" caricature you describe re alleged events in Germany +/- 70 years ago, and how it aptly describes what indisputably happens today in many western zio-kontrolled countries when their citizens dare to think for themselves rather than goose-clapping for Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html) - off to prison kamp they go! [Irving, Rudolf, Zundel, Zundel's defense attorney (http://www.ihr.org/news/061112_prisoners_of_conscience.shtml), etc]

I'd be curious to hear whether JK agrees with the above point, or disagrees & why?

[MAGNES]

Write a book, train people how to mock others, I'll read this carefully later
but this is what it looks like so far. Whose promoting the book ? NYT
best seller, rofl !

Hasabararats everywhere.

[keehah]

Write a book, train people how to mock others, I'll read this carefully later
but this is what it looks like so far. Whose promoting the book ? NYT
best seller, rofl !

Hasabararats everywhere.

Don't forget the author's day job is editorial director of the National Post (Newspaper). The Capstone of Canada's largest media empire (recently bailed out by GoldmanSachs) enabled by loads of debt, destruction after takeover of local news reporting and independent papers and TV by a "a prominent member of Canada's Jewish community, and a vocal supporter for Israel." -wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzy_Asper). Wiki has not mentioned for the last 4 years or so he was also a supporter of Israel's Lukid party.

rabble.ca/news/2009/11/national-post-and-bankruptcy-media-convergence (http://rabble.ca/news/2009/11/national-post-and-bankruptcy-media-convergence)

In the court documents filed as part of the Companies Creditors Arrangement Act proceedings, we learn that the National Post has “had an EBITA loss of $20.3 million, $16.3 million, $13.1 million and $12.7 million, respectively” from 2005-08 and is projected to have had a further loss of $9.3 in the 12 months ending August 31, 2009. In 2001 the Post lost $60 million. Over seven years NP has been bailed out to the tune of $139.1 million.
Its not about 'captialism', its about making (destroying) nations of clay headed slaves.
_________________

However, I've not seen "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" mentioned in a National Newspaper till this book was reviewed.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/books/among-the-truthers-by-jonathan-kay/article2021504/

Sometimes Kay’s prejudices get the better of him. Any liberal who comes even into peripheral view is dismissed as “smug,” a distorter of the truth, a peddler of “the man-made global warming myth” or an obnoxious champion of “identity politics” dedicated to the reconstruction or wholesale reinvention “of history according to the viewpoint of women, blacks, gays and other minorities” and so on. He includes John McMurty, “an influential truther who teaches at the University of Guelph,” in his sights. Too long to quote here – and I have to say that I don’t know the rest of McMurty’s work at all – the passage that Kay references concerning the George W. Bush administration, the benefit to the oil sector and the military-industrial complex, the rise and rise of security forces during the last decade, and the benefit to domestic policy of fighting a war, hardly seems a stretch.

The best moments in Kay’s very readable, often captivating journey through the renegade corners of American paranoia lie in his exposition of that pioneering bit of conspiracist bile, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the notoriously anti-Semitic hoax published in 1919 by czarist police and purporting to offer a Jewish plan for world domination, but more so in the personal encounters such as those with Jenkins and in crowd demonstrations.

Realistically though, based on a few reviews I've read (and the title of course) the book does follow what I'd expect is mentioned in one of those protocols. The author is not looking for truth about 9/11, but is about personality charactorization of a few people he has selected.

For some reason, some of the most active people who realize 9/11 story as told by government was incomplete, focus on the worst disinfo to make a case. Like a moth to flame. Like children with their heart in the right place unable to critically think much. And several more aware disinfo peddlers of course.

More of the review, Chutzpa:

Of The Protocols, Kay writes that “it was a lie that people wanted to hear,” and this is the crux of it.
First of he twice crosses (crux in Latin) up the issues to confuse. Previously before this statement he only claimed it was a forgery not a lie. He admits that people want to hear about The Protocols. People do not want to be occulted. I can think of two general reasons to want to hear something: Because something is a pretty lie, or an ugly truth. It is not a pretty lie. To argue so is like claiming victims like being victimized, like claiming your child is just acting like daddy abused him to hurt daddy. Since they are both editorialists in National Newspapers the father child example is valid. And for a third possible option, if anyone knows of a 'pretty truth' in poltics please share it with me.

Middle of paragraph:

Although Kay ultimately pays some attention to the effect of the Web on the truther phenomenon, it is hard not to feel that his emphasis is misplaced, that the character of the stories, rather than their agents, is what should be examined. Today’s Web technology has provided “truthers” a multitude of platforms for similar stories, and unparalleled means for their narrators to convene, if only virtually, and to spread their nonsense. But another fact of the Web is that the truth does, eventually, catch up.

The rest of the paragraph, the author's take away from the book, is pure evil. One of the worst Protocols get reccomended by both these National Newspaper writers. With the Chutzpa to reccomend it in a paragraph that also mentions The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in a National Newspaper. Followed by complaining that the future gentile animals will always have traits being somewhat aware of the crimes of those who rule over them.
(I guess that is what the genetic engineering is for, 1984 and environmental toxins are not enough.)

Their recommendation is: 'TEACH ALL THE CHILDREN THAT WHITE COLLAR CRIME DOES NOT EXIST'

con·spir·a·cy   
1.the act of conspiring.
2.an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.


The process by which this happens is called education, and in the book’s third section, Kay makes the case for it, arguing for an anti-conspiracist curriculum to be taught in schools even as he concedes that conspiracism is a “stubborn creed” that will “never entirely go away, even as the passage of years fails to vindicate their theories.”

[PatColo]

"Among The Truthers: A Journey Through America's Growing Conspiracist Underground (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/dp/0062004816/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8)" by Zio-Tool Jonathan Kay.


check the amazon link above, the book is getting righteously panned in the reader reviews. At this writing:

Customer Reviews


45 Reviews
5 star (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_5?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFiveStar):
(10) 4 star (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_4?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFourStar):
(7) 3 star (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_3?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addThreeStar):
(6) 2 star (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_2?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addTwoStar):
(3) 1 star (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar):
(19)



Average Customer Review
2.7 out of 5 stars (45 customer reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_summary?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending))

It's nice how amazon starts with the "most helpful reviews" (IE most highly voted), and consequently the 1-star reviews where the reviewer deconstructs the book's nonsense most effectively, are the top-listed.

if you want a laugh, read the 5 star reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_5?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addFiveStar), & notice how those shills conspicuously use JKay's same "pious fraud" MO- ad-hom's & ridicule, in their disingenuous circle-jerk; then read the 1 star reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Among-Truthers-Americas-Conspiracist-Underground/product-reviews/0062004816/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar) by the book's critics, the Truthers, and compare the credibility of their content, focusing on substance rather than character assassinations, it's no contest LOL. ;D

KB did mention consulting with attorneys for possible libel action, but he's basically poor, put out the call for pro-bono work... if someone steps up they'll prolly be a mason there to ensure that the tar job they did on KB, sticks. ::)

[Joe King]

JD: not sure which argument you're asking about.

I asked JKing one question which he has so far ignored,

Aren't you inferring condemnation towards all GSUS readers who disagree with the Official Zionist Holohoax Narrative? ... while at the same time inferring that you are of sufficient piety yourself to be in a position to condemn all those who you judge to "condemn those who disagree"

No. Not at all. As I already stated, I was merely trying to point out that I thought it funny that Book is ready to completely discount a persons opinion on everything simply because they do not agree with his World-view 100%.

Even if this thread had been about some other subject, and Books response been in the same context, I would have pointed out the same thing.

Just because a person has a different view on some things does not necessarily mean that they are wrong on all things.

Allow me to give you a personal example of what I mean, Pat.
Take Max Keiser. I do not agree at all with his views on global warming, but I do not reject him outright for having those views because if I did I'd miss out on the stuff he says that I do agree with. Not to mention the informative guests he often interviews.

I look at all people that way as I realize that everyone has good stuff sometimes....even Book and Ximmy post some good stuff from time to time. And I give them credit when they do (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52384-Deputy-shoots-woman-thought-it-was-a-cougar.&p=439706&viewfull=1#post439706).

Book phrased his own response, that I poked fun at, as though he had at one time supported the person in question.
In Books own words he posted..."He just lost my support".
To lose ones "support" implies via context that his support of the person in question did in fact previously exist.

So again, I thought it funny that Book did that and I just wanted to let him know that I did.
You know, in the same way he does to everyone else. I thought he liked that kind of thing.



and there's an inferred question to JK here, namely "isn't it true that independent holocaust researcher/revisionists today are treated in the same way as JK paints his "Nazi" caricature?", which JK has also ignored so far:

Ironic, that "Nazi" caricature you describe re alleged events in Germany +/- 70 years ago, and how it aptly describes what indisputably happens today in many western zio-kontrolled countries when their citizens dare to think for themselves rather than goose-clapping for Tinkerbell - off to prison kamp they go! [Irving, Rudolf, Zundel, Zundel's defense attorney, etc]


I'd be curious to hear whether JK agrees with the above point, or disagrees & why?

It wouldn't have been relevent to compare him to Mao Tse Tung, now would it have?

I compared him to Hitler because that's what Book seems to act like on the forum....a little Hitler dictator guy. You know, just like the cariciture of Hitler and his merry band of men goose-stepping down the road.

Besides, I thought Book would like being compared to what seems to be a hero of his.


As far as what happened in Germany during WW2 and the Jews, I personally have no idea of what really happened as I was not there. Nor was I even alive at the time. Nor have I researched it much. Which is why I tend not to get into the meat and potatoes of whether it actually happened or not.

IMO, any hard evidence that would prove it conclusively one way or another has likely been destroyed by now, so IMO it all comes down to whatever a person chooses to believe happened.
Maybe it did, maybe it didn't.....or is somewhere inbetween both extremes.


The main thing that needs to be pointed out is that I made one little post trying to point out Books sillyness in rejecting someone he used to support over one sentence the guy used.
....and then I was instantly taken to task for it and accused of derailing the thread all because Book can't take his own medicene that he expects others to willingly take.

Now that I've responded to you after you asked Pat, I will probably get taken to task again and accused of derailing the thread once more.
...but you did ask me my opinion.

I appologize for the late response as I had previously not seen your post that I am responding to as I was being kept busy in other threads by those who seem to not like my honest opinion of various things.
Such as freedom and Liberty for all Americans.

[keehah]

I left a comment after the Globe article. Its a months old article, but Kay and his co-worker will get to read it some day.

I may have to start posting all over the MSM to keep this thread on track. ;)
____________

I've found accounts of 9/11 like the book 'Crossing the Rubicon' make a stronger case than the official story. I have much in common with 'truthers' (one of the labels du jour, as the corporate media likes to label segregate).

Its been a mystery to me how the less-educated in materials science, engineering and such, are most active trading and talking of the disinfo around the event rather than the solid evidence that directly links the false-flag to real people and organizations. And even many educated well in the sciences and politics, may still not understand how police and prosecutors would best make a case of conspiracy. Crossing the Rubicon was written by an ex-Cop.

And both you and Kay (I've not read the book) should be up front that you are not neutral parties to this. Its easy to make a case those of your position are more responsible for promoting the official report than any government or its agency is.

And what is conspiracy? Basically any crime commited [by] more than one person. Perhaps this could be further limited as white collar crime (by more than one person acting alone).
con·spir·a·cy   
1.the act of conspiring.
2.an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

From the article: "Kay makes the case for it, arguing for an anti-conspiracist curriculum to be taught in schools"

I was quite surprised at the Chutzpah, your recommendations the state teach all the children that white collar crime does not exist in the same paragraph that mentions The Protocols.

What the kids really need to be taught more of is critical thinking. Then perhaps eventually we would not have to search so hard for truth.

[PatColo]

JKing, your first 2 replies in the thread read like condemnation of book/anyone who doesn't Goose-Clap for Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html) WRT the Holohoax Controversy (http://www.codoh.com/ads/adsdebate.html):


I guess he doesn't goose-step exactly the way you do, huh?

You probably want to hold Ximmy's oven door open.

IE anyone who doesn't Goose-Clap for Tinkerbell (http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html) is obviously a goose-stepping (neo)Nazi who really just wants to gas all dajooz... your using emotion-tugger language designed to paralyze rational thought & deter readers from exploring the Holohoax Controversy (http://www.codoh.com/ads/adsdebate.html) avenue of inquiry.

I see how you can, and are, making the case re your first quote above that your only intention was to criticize book's pulling his support for Barrett based on a single point of disagreement; but your choice to use the ADL dangerous-thought-stopper buzzword (goose-step), combined with more of the same in the next quote (..oven..) gives readers the stronger impression that your main intention was to caricature-ize book (and of course anyone else who's sympathetic to holohoax revisionism), as goose stepping nazis who secretly want to gas all dajooz.

Do you agree that Western governments should cease prosecuting, imprisoning & fining those revisionist-historians who propose/evidence alternative narratives re the holohoax? [Irving, Rudolf, Zundel, Zundel's defense attorney (http://www.ihr.org/news/061112_prisoners_of_conscience.shtml), etc]

Should Bishop Williamson have to pay the 6,500 euro fine which the German court just upheld, for his holohoax thought-crime?


British Holocaust denier verdict upheld (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/188758.html)


Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:20PM GMT

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110712/behravesh20110712074112310.jpgBritish-born Roman Catholic Bishop, Richard Williamson


A German appeals court has upheld the guilty verdict of a British bishop who had been earlier convicted on charges of denying the Holocaust.


The Regensburg court on Monday confirmed a conviction issued against Richard Williamson last year for Holocaust denial, but decided to reduce his penalty from the original fine of EUR 10,000 to EUR 6,500 (USD 9,136), the Associated Press reported.

The 71-year-old bishop had stated in a 2008 interview with a Swedish TV station that he did not believe Jews lost their lives in gas chambers in the Nazi concentration camps during the Second World War.

Williamson's lawyers have not denied the statements made by him during the interview, but stressed that such views could be expressed freely in Sweden.

Holocaust denial is considered a crime in Germany.

In a similar case, Fredrick Toben, a graduate of Oxford's Exeter College and a German-born Australian author, was tried in Germany in 1999 for his revisionist views of the Holocaust and sentenced to seven months in prison. Roman Catholic Bishop Richard Williamson on the Holocaust


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbvkFA8PfaI


Bishop Williamson is also a 911 OCT thought-criminal,

Bishop Williamson's 9/11 sermon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-iiN7BeoqM


Jking, doesn't these Western states' treatment of holohoax-revisionists eerily resemble you nazi caricature? :


You know, the way the Nazis were, both in their funny looking march, all in lock step unable to think for themselves and if they did, off to the work kamp they go.

[Joe King]

JKing, your first 2 replies in the thread read like condemnation of book/anyone who doesn't Goose-Clap for Tinkerbell WRT the Holohoax Controversy:

Sorry Pat, but you didn't get it at all.

It was meant that Book doesn't like anyone who doesn't goose step with him.

That's all. It's an analogy for someone who is of rigid thinking with no tolerance for anyone else who is even slightly out of step.

Kinda like Hitler was too. Those that resisted his vision were sent away, or learned to hide how they really felt.
Kinda like how some on here don't always speak up because they know what happens if they do. They get taken to task for having their own opinion.

Edited to add: Since Book wants to acts like a little Hitler, it's an obvious choice to use the goose steping reference. It also means that I think Book looks funny when he does his thinking. Just like Hitlers troops looked funny when they marched.

[PatColo]

wow this "Anonymous" person posting comments @ KB's blog is pretty smart! ;D


Anonymous said...
Kevin: great recent 2 shows with, and about, JKay.

Re "Zionism", I hear you define it as "Jewish Nationalism". While this definition works somewhat, I don't think it strikes the root.

I find these 2 David Icke articles on zionism among those landmark articles which really help cut through the synthetic fog & untangle so much about the zion/Jews/izzy/etc question.

"The Zionist Elephant In The Room"
http://www.rense.com/general86/zelephant.htm
&
"THEY DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME ... ROTHSCHILD ZIONISM"
http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

Zionism = the political movement of the Rothschild Global Central Bankster Usury Empire sucking the blood of humanity.

Izzy = the global usury empire's (temporary?) sovereign base of operations, until the historic sovereignty paradigm is dismantled (UN/NWO/world government of/by/for the central bankster usury empire).

I give most "rank & file Jews" who are zionist supporters the benefit of the doubt as being successfully brainwashed & deceived by the zionist-invented "Jews = perennial victims of irrational haters" memeplex indoctrination which Jews are marinated in within their family & religious communities- similar to how Westerners are expected to be tricked by the zionist-invented war-on-terror hoax, which relies on the same "fear of outside enemies" ploy to try to unite us behind (corrupt) leaders- a regular "terror & protection racket".

But point remains though, the root which fuels the global zionist political enterprise isn't "Jewish Nationalism" though that's an important enabling-branch of the hideous tree; the root is the Rothschild Global Usury Empire- hidden hand in so much actual world history. Your thoughts?
July 27, 2011 5:00 PM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/07/special-lets-gang-up-on-jonathan-kay.html?showComment=1311811236198#c73088406607015 32515) http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11522769898898884227)

Kevin Barrett (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11522769898898884227) said...
You're probably right. I'm slow to come around to this perspective, maybe because I have an aversion to theories about how "THEY" control everything. I see power relations as a very rich ecosystem -- and though they lions may be at the top of the food chain, they don't control the whole jungle. So I would distinguish between bankers and Zionists -- not all bankers are Zionists, and not all Zionists are bankers. Zionists are people who actively support a Jewish state in Palestine, and Zionism the project of establishing and maintaining that state. The Rothschilds may be the most powerful and influential Zionists, but I think it oversimplifies things to see the whole Zionist project as a Rothschild brainwashing operation. (Yes, most Jewish and Christian Zionists are brainwashed, but in a more complex way than this model indicates.)
July 27, 2011 9:20 PM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/07/special-lets-gang-up-on-jonathan-kay.html?showComment=1311826823926#c58313027774377 77790)

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Excellent analysis from Anonymous, I must say.
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Anonymous said...
Kevin, I didn't say "THEY control everything", however it's evident to me that "Rothschild-Zionism" according to Icke's model, is today the single most powerful political entity on earth, cloaked in deception & squid-ink though it is, surpassing that of any sovereign superpower nation-state, or coalition such as NATO, which appears to me to be in effect, Rothschild-Zionism's global military force.

You can argue until you're blue whether or not zionism is based on collecting on "God's real-estate grant to his chosen people", & good luck making any headway wrestling with that diversionary tar baby. It makes better earthly sense (to me) to think of Rothschild-Zionist Occupied Palestine as the Rothschild Global Usury Empire's sovereign base of operations, made necessary by the hundreds of years of history of pogroms where the usurious money lenders who were consequently wrecking their host countries, were kicked out of said countries. Izzy's "right of return" laws? They don't extradite their citizens wanted for crimes committed abroad (coz of the "irrational Jewish persecution" memeplex again)? Sounds more like a bankster's safe-haven, than a modern nation-state!

The way fiat money/banking work, "money" printed out of thin air and loaned out at compounding interest, is a time-tested "real wealth" transferring mechanism ultimately leaving the lender with everything and the borrower bankrupt- the "nation-wrecking" mechanism which we're now seeing the endgame play out across the [bankster-engineered] economically collapsing West. Meanwhile the West's former middle-classes are asked to endure "austerity" (IE lower, neo-serfdom living standards) as a consequence.

"Rothschild-Zionism" is ultimately about the protection and advancement of the fiat-money-lending/wealth-transfer mechanism which is the heart of the Rothschild Global Usury Empire's modern global power- unprecedented in world history; and this sad state of affairs has been enabled in part by the post-WW2 existence of their "safe haven" in occupied Palestine. Their nation-wrecking usury machine had repeatedly been inconvenienced & set back in centuries past, by host nations eventually kicking them out or imprisoning them. "Israel" is Rothschild's solution. Everything else about "Divine real-estate grants" and "irrational persecution of Jews", is Rothschild squid-ink obscuring and diverting attention from the reality of their global usury wealth-transfer machine- the ultimate source of so much of the world's woes. Recall Mike Ruppert's mantra: "Until we change the way money works, we change nothing."

Incidentally, I suspect Islam's prohibition of usury might be a major motive in the Rothschild-Zionist Global Usury Empire's agenda to destroy the religion and/or its adherents... you think? It was nice to see this unlikely article appear in the SF Chronicle ~3 years ago,

"Muslim investors profit by adhering to faith"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/09/MN2D15J4HD.DTL&tsp=1
July 28, 2011 1:34 AM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/07/special-lets-gang-up-on-jonathan-kay.html?showComment=1311842082119#c44439308784219 09627) http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11522769898898884227)

Kevin Barrett (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11522769898898884227) said...
Mathematically, whoever issues the money supply by lending it at interest (assuming that they get paid back most of the time) will end up with an ever-bigger slice of the pie. So it stands to reason that the big bankers who create money out of nothing are plotting to take over the world. Why wouldn't they?

I haven't studied this issue intensively enough to feel confident I have a handle on it. And while I LIKE Icke (I was thinking of printing up some bumper-stickers saying so) I'm not taking his word for anything. If you have any suggestions about which well-documented sources I should read, feel free.
July 28, 2011 6:11 AM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/07/special-lets-gang-up-on-jonathan-kay.html?showComment=1311858698148#c59236289652948 6899) http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11522769898898884227)

Kevin Barrett (http://www.blogger.com/profile/11522769898898884227) said...
Anyway, I agree with John F. - excellent analysis. And a good working hypothesis.
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Anonymous said...
Thanks John & Kevin. Kevin I imagine you've seen the animated 48 min video "Money As Debt".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3sKwwAaCU

It's must-watching if not. I like not only its simple breakdown of how our usurious & ruinous money system works, but also how it's peppered with historic quotes from notables which hint at the larger NWO game afoot by the (Rothschild) banksters. Be poised on the PAUSE button, as I find the quotes scroll by a little fast, esp relative to their importance!

Otherwise I know you're familiar with G. Edward Griffin's, and Ellen Brown's works.

On "well-documented sources" re the truth of Rothschild-Zionist Occupied Palestine, well that's a less mathematically straightforward avenue of inquiry compared to understanding the way the global usury machine works, since the Global Usury Empire with its bottomless resources, has long dispatched its minions to ensure that real history is all gummed up by bogus "academic studies" which paint a Rothschild/Israel-friendly portrait. As Gilad Atzmon writes in his essay, "Truth, History, and Integrity: Questioning the Holocaust Religion", (note: I would replace "Jewish" with "Rothschild-Zionist" in the following):

"... For the nationalist and political Jew, history is a pragmatic tale, it is an elastic account. It is foreign to any scientific or academic method. Jewish history transcends itself beyond factuality, truthfulness or correspondence rules with any given vision of reality. It also repels integrity or ethics. It by far prefers total submission, instead of creative and critical thinking. Jewish history is a phantasmic tale that is there to make the Jews happy and the Goyim behave themselves. It is there to serve the interests of one tribe and that tribe only. In practice, from a Jewish perspective, the decision whether there was an Armenian genocide or not is subject to Jewish interests: is it good for the Jews or is it good for Israel. ..."

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20Editorials/2010/March/15%20o/Truth,%20History,%20and%20Integrity%20Questioning% 20the%20Holocaust%20Religion%20By%20Gilad%20Atzmon .htm

iamthewitness.com has dozens of free books to read,
http://iamthewitness.com/books/index.php

I suspect your "public stance" towards "Clapping For Tinkerbell"
http://www.codoh.com/newrevoices/nrjwclapping.html
WRT the Rothschild-Zionists' Official Holocaust Narrative, if you're being honest rather than politically expedient in the interest of being a more effective 911 Truther unsmeared by the "holocaust denier" label- this may taint your ability to view the dubious official holocaust narrative as yet another Rothschild ploy to aid in the pretext for the creation of Rothschild-Zionist Occupied Palestine. I know you're aware of the 1917 Balfour Declaration.

Regardless, I maintain that understanding Israel as proxy & sovereign safe-haven for the Rothschild-Zionist Global Usury Empire which rules at least the West, is a more earthly/materialist/practical model for understanding world events, versus the competing "biblical explanations". It's not hard to see that Western governments are owned by the banksters... the rest is propaganda to keep the masses paralyzed with confusion & disinfo, unable to affect change because they're systematically deceived about how things work. "Western Powers" are de facto colonies of the Rothschild Global Usury Empire now, with Israel their headquarters.
July 28, 2011 8:11 AM (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/07/special-lets-gang-up-on-jonathan-kay.html?showComment=1311865913170#c73369917854096 84372)

[PatColo]

Sorry Pat, but you didn't get it at all.

It was meant that Book doesn't like anyone who doesn't goose step with him.

That's all. It's an analogy for someone who is of rigid thinking with no tolerance for anyone else who is even slightly out of step.

Kinda like Hitler was too. Those that resisted his vision were sent away, or learned to hide how they really felt.
Kinda like how some on here don't always speak up because they know what happens if they do. They get taken to task for having their own opinion.

Edited to add: Since Book wants to acts like a little Hitler, it's an obvious choice to use the goose steping reference. It also means that I think Book looks funny when he does his thinking. Just like Hitlers troops looked funny when they marched.

Just so everyone's completely clear then JKing, you don't mean to cast condemnation towards people who are sympathetic to revisionist views regarding the Holohoax Controversy (http://www.codoh.com/ads/adsdebate.html), and you maintain that readers who got that impression from your first several posts in this thread would be mistaken?

I'd also appreciate hearing your answers to these former questions,


Do you agree that Western governments should cease prosecuting, imprisoning & fining those revisionist-historians who propose/evidence alternative narratives re the holohoax? [Irving, Rudolf, Zundel, Zundel's defense attorney (http://www.ihr.org/news/061112_prisoners_of_conscience.shtml), etc]

Should Bishop Williamson have to pay the 6,500 euro fine which the German court just upheld, for his holohoax thought-crime?

[...]

Jking, doesn't these Western states' treatment of holohoax-revisionists eerily resemble you nazi caricature?


You know, the way the Nazis were, both in their funny looking march, all in lock step unable to think for themselves and if they did, off to the work kamp they go.

[PatColo]

However, I've not seen "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" mentioned in a National Newspaper till this book was reviewed.

What's nice about these here modern internets is, surfers can find free online resources like The SOURCE Of All Truly True Knowledge Itself: Metapedia - which we find here 'splaining the truth about the Protocols:


The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion)

(Redirected from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zio n&redirect=no))
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion http://en.metapedia.org/m/images/thumb/1/1d/Protocols.png/180px-Protocols.png (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/File:Protocols.png)
Country Russia (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Russia) Language First published in Russian (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Russian), later translated into many languages Genre Politics (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Politics) Publisher Sergei Nilus (http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Sergei_Nilus&action=edit&redlink=1) Publication 1901

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, also known as Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion or simply The Protocols, is a widely-distributed document, which describes a purported plan for world domination by International Jewry (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/International_Jewry). The document surfaced in Russia, where it is said to have arrived via France and was published by Sergei Nilus (http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=Sergei_Nilus&action=edit&redlink=1) during the early 20th century—it has since been translated into numerous other languages and is read widely across the world.

The document is alleged to have been secret minutes from the First Zionist Congress (http://en.metapedia.org/m/index.php?title=First_Zionist_Congress&action=edit&redlink=1) held at Basel (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Basel), Switzerland (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Switzerland) in August 1897. Much brouhaha has been made by organised Jewry and their allies claiming that the document is a "fraud". However, the most famous public figures who have promoted knowledge of it; such as Henry Ford (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford), have stated they are not interested in whether they were authored from a satirical or esoteric perspective, but rather urge a critical review of historical events that have unfolded, held up against the Protocols.

...MORE (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion)
and following we read Metapedia's summary of the ....



Jewish persecution complex (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_persecution_complex)

http://en.metapedia.org/m/images/thumb/7/77/Why_do_they_Persecute_me_So.png/180px-Why_do_they_Persecute_me_So.png (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/File:Why_do_they_Persecute_me_So.png) http://en.metapedia.org/m/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/File:Why_do_they_Persecute_me_So.png)
A poster showing the hypocracy of the Jewish persecution complex, alluding to the Red Holocaust (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Red_Holocaust).


The Jewish persecution complex is a group evolutionary strategy developed over centuries by the Jewish (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish) nation. It serves as a means of attaining a sympathetic historical account of their tribe, contrary to rival groups and to reap financial benefits on that basis. When it has suited them, the Jews have claimed to have been "persecuted" unjustly, by just about every single nation they have ever dwelled amongst. The Persians (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Persia), the Egyptians (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Egyptian), the Romans (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Roman), the Germans (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/German) and so on. They have perfected the strategy to an art-form, to the extent that they can execute it through the use of a single word to try paralyzing rival groups; "Inquisition (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Inquisition)", "Crusades (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Crusades)", "Holocaust (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holocaust)" are common examples.



The trick of the Jew who is "hunted" and "martyred" never fails to work on the stupid cuckold of an Aryan. It is they who are persecuting us. We are the martyrs' victims.

—Louis-Ferdinand Céline (http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Louis-Ferdinand_C%C3%A9line)

[Joe King]

Just so everyone's completely clear then JKing, you don't mean to cast condemnation towards people who are sympathetic to revisionist views regarding the Holohoax Controversy, and you maintain that readers who got that impression from your first several posts in this thread would be mistaken?

Just to be clear Pat, there was no condemnation towards anyone in my post. Not even towards Book. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I condemn acts, not thoughts.

I just thought it funny what Book posted and tried to point it out, you know, in the same manner as he likes to do. Remember, I learned from him how to do that. lol



Do you agree that Western governments should cease prosecuting, imprisoning & fining those revisionist-historians who propose/evidence alternative narratives re the holohoax? [Irving, Rudolf, Zundel, Zundel's defense attorney, etc]

Should Bishop Williamson have to pay the 6,500 euro fine which the German court just upheld, for his holohoax thought-crime?I don't support that, no.
As I said, IMO, people should be free to think/feel however they want. It's only actions that matter.

[Book]

I compared him to Hitler because that's what Book seems to act like on the forum....a little Hitler dictator guy. You know, just like the cariciture of Hitler and his merry band of men goose-stepping down the road...

Edited to add: Since Book wants to acts like a little Hitler, it's an obvious choice to use the goose steping reference. It also means that I think Book looks funny when he does his thinking...

I just thought it funny what Book posted and tried to point it out, you know, in the same manner as he likes to do. Remember, I learned from him how to do that. lol

As I said, IMO, people should be free to think/feel however they want. It's only actions that matter.




http://www.backseatblogger.com/religion/rael_symbol002.jpg


Let's unite the clans Joe King. Yours and mine.

:-* its time we embrace your purported love and peace and spreading happiness thingie here at GSUS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpdOiq-2DFU

:-* second invitation

[Joe King]

Yea Book, I do think you're funny when you do your thinking. Especially when it comes out in words like the one I first responded to. lol
...but I don't condemn you for it.

You obviously supported the guy in question, but apparently didn't really know how he felt. lol

Book - "He just lost my support"

lol

[Book]

http://www.backseatblogger.com/religion/rael_symbol002.jpg


Let's unite the clans Joe King. Yours and mine.

:-* its time we embrace your purported love and peace and spreading happiness thingie here at GSUS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpdOiq-2DFU





:-* second invitation Joe

[Joe King]

You're bein' funny again.

If you're human you're already in my clan. Are you a human being? I had thought all people were.

[Book]

If you're human you're already in my clan.



http://images.buzznet.com/assets/users6/amethyst23/default/gallery-msg-1108431239-2.jpg

Even her?

:) you sure seem to badmouth a lot of people who you claim to love

[Joe King]

Has she ever harmed another person anywhere on the face of the Earth?
If no, then yes.


Book, you must be one of the "special" people if you can equate ones endorsement of the "golden rule" to having badmouthed people.

BTW, badmouthing would be like what General got banned for. Total potty mouth, that one.

[Book]

Has she ever harmed another person anywhere on the face of the Earth?



Joe King has never harmed another person anywhere on the face of the Earth!

:o

[keehah]

At some point very soon Joe you will have earned my new attitude of you.

What sociopaths and ruling psychopaths need to realize is that people can take quite a lot to a point. Then what chemists call a phase change can occur. In those humans without a system shattered mind (or this condition heals) this is game changing. Then a person's attitude of a person or system can change and basically it will take a new history of fair play to ever change it back.

Sociopaths don't understand this because they are defective in this way.


Hi. I'd like to take a moment to address your statement here. I hope that's ok.

I hope you don't think I derailed anything. I made one, one-line post where I thought it funny. Just like Book does to whomever he wants, in any thread he wants, since forever.
So it's quite obvious that it's ok to do it, right?

I can think of one difference. Book apoligized. Joe King tossed elementary school level sociopathy at me.

[Joe King]

I can think of one difference. Book apoligized. Joe King tossed elementary school level sociopathy at me.


The only thing I "tossed" at you is the fact that the type of posting I referred to is obviously permitted. If it's good enough for one, {Book} it's good enough for all.....which includes me too.

So get over it already.

[keehah]

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (Includes The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist)
by H. Michael Sweeney
copyright (c) 1997, 2000 All rights reserved (Revised April 2000)

Permission to reprint/distribute hereby granted for any non commercial use provided information reproduced in its entirety and with author information in tact. For more Intel/Shadow government related info, visit the Author's Web site:
<http://www.proparanoid.com>

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation


Built upon Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression by David Martin, the following may be useful to the initiate in the world of dealing with veiled and half-truth, lies, and suppression of truth when serious crimes are studied in public forums. This, sadly, includes every day news media, one of the worst offenders with respect to being a source of disinformation. Where the crime involves a conspiracy, or a conspiracy to cover up the crime, there will invariably be a disinformation campaign launched against those seeking to uncover and expose the truth and/or the conspiracy. There are specific tactics which disinfo artists tend to apply, as revealed here. Also included with this material are seven common traits of the disinfo artist which may also prove useful in identifying players and motives.

The more a particular party fits the traits and is guilty of following the rules, the more likely they are a professional disinfo artist with a vested motive. People can be bought, threatened, or blackmailed into providing disinformation, so even "good guys" can be suspect in many cases.

A rational person participating as one interested in the truth will evaluate that chain of evidence and conclude either that the links are solid and conclusive, that one or more links are weak and need further development before conclusion can be arrived at, or that one or more links can be broken, usually invalidating (but not necessarily so, if parallel links already exist or can be found, or if a particular link was merely supportive, but not in itself key to) the argument. The game is played by raising issues which either strengthen or weaken (preferably to the point of breaking) these links. It is the job of a disinfo artist to interfere with these evaluations... to at least make people think the links are weak or broken when, in truth, they are not... or to propose alternative solutions leading away from the truth. Often, by simply impeding and slowing down the process through disinformation tactics, a level of victory is assured because apathy increases with time and rhetoric.

It would seem true in almost every instance, that if one cannot break the chain of evidence for a given solution, revelation of truth has won out. If the chain is broken either a new link must be forged, or a whole new chain developed, or the solution is invalid and a new one must be found... but truth still wins out. There is no shame in being the creator or supporter of a failed solution, chain, or link, if done with honesty in search of the truth. This is the rational approach. While it is understandable that a person can become emotionally involved with a particular side of a given issue, it is really unimportant who wins, as long as truth wins. But the disinfo artist will seek to emotionalize and chastise any failure (real or false claims thereof), and will seek by means of intimidation to prevent discussion in general.

It is the disinfo artist and those who may pull their strings (those who stand to suffer should the crime be solved) MUST seek to prevent rational and complete examination of any chain ofevidence which would hang them. Since fact and truth seldom fall on their own, they must be overcome with lies and deceit. Those who are professional in the art of lies and deceit, such as the intelligence community and the professional criminal (often the same people or at least working together), tend to apply fairly well defined and observable tools in this process.However, the public at large is not well armed against such weapons, and is often easily ledastray by these time-proven tactics. Remarkably, not even media and law enforcement have
NOT BEEN TRAINED to deal with these issues. For the most part, only the players themselves understand the rules of the game.

For such disinformationalists, the overall aim is to avoid discussing links in the chain of evidence which cannot be broken by truth, but at all times, to use clever deceptions or lies to make select links seem weaker than they are, create the illusion of a break, or better still, cause any who are considering the chain to be distracted in any number of ways, including the method of questioning the credentials of the presenter. Please understand that fact is fact, regardless of the source. Likewise, truth is truth, regardless of the source. This is why criminals are allowed to testify against other criminals. Where a motive to lie may truly exist, only actual evidence that the testimony itself IS a lie renders it completely invalid. Were a known 'liar's' testimony to stand on its own without supporting fact, it might certainly be of questionable value, but if the testimony (argument) is based on verifiable or otherwise demonstrable facts, it matters not who does the presenting or what their motives are, or if they have lied in the past or even if motivated to lie in this instance -- the facts or links would and should stand or fall on their own merit and their part in the matter will merely be supportive.

Moreover, particularly with respects to public forums such as newspaper letters to the editor, and Internet chat and news groups, the disinfo type has a very important role. In these forums, the principle topics of discussion are generally attempts by individuals to cause other persons to become interested in their own particular position, idea, or solution -- very much in development at the time. People often use such mediums as a sounding board and in hopes of pollination to better form their ideas. Where such ideas are critical of government or powerful, vested groups (especially if their criminality is the topic), the disinfo artist has yet another role -- the role of nipping it in the bud. They also seek to stage the concept, the presenter, and any supporters as less than credible should any possible future confrontation in more public forums result due to their early successes. You can often spot the disinfo types at work here by the unique application of "higher standards" of discussion than necessarily warranted. They will demand that those presenting arguments or concepts back everything up with the same level of expertise as a professor, researcher, or investigative writer. Anything less renders anydiscussion meaningless and unworthy in their opinion, and anyone who disagrees is obviously stupid -- and they generally put it in exactly those terms.

So, as you read any such discussions, particularly so in Internet news groups (NG), decide for yourself when a rational argument is being applied and when disinformation, psyops (psychological warfare operations) or trickery is the tool. Accuse those guilty of the latter freely. They (both those deliberately seeking to lead you astray, and those who are simply foolish or misguided thinkers) generally run for cover when thus illuminated, or -- put in other terms, they put up or shut up (a perfectly acceptable outcome either way, since truth is the goal.) Here are the twenty-five methods and seven traits, some of which don't apply directly to NG application. Each contains a simple example in the form of actual (some paraphrased for simplicity) from NG comments on commonly known historical events, and a proper response.[examples & response- http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.html]

Accusations should not be overused -- reserve for repeat offenders and those who use multiple tactics. Responses should avoid falling into emotional traps or informational sidetracks, unless it is feared that some observers will be easily dissuaded by the trickery.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation ...

[keehah]

The only thing I "tossed" at you is the fact that the type of posting I referred to is obviously permitted. If it's good enough for one, {Book} it's good enough for all.....which includes me too.

So get over it already.
What is 'it' I need to get over?

Book apologized [earlier in this tread]. You make claims there is something 'over' me (you) that I have to accept.

[Joe King]

Book apologized. You just make claims there is something 'over' me (you) that I have to accept.
To who?
...and I'm not "over" anyone. What makes you think that? You and I have equal Rights.

[mick silver]

who said you have equal Rights some law that was forced onto others

[Joe King]

That's what the Constitution does.....guarentees all of us get our Rights. At least us Americans, anyways. If you were born here, that includes you too.

[keehah]

I my country I have no such rights. More specifically, in a country will rules specifiaclly enforced in attempts to take away the right to respond to Joe King's favoured sematics.

It does not limit me (or others) once I am 'over it'. What it limits is first awakening of broken minds the Kings feast on.

I had to leave Boston when the unconstitutional airport prisoner training became too psychologically destructive once I was aware we had lost too much of our freedom and I decided it was time to relocate from large cities for a better quality of life (more specifically to live in a place where the quality of life was not noticeably dropping each year). Although all the flying was a corporate waste of resources regardless.

[Joe King]

You'll get no arguement from me on that one, and you are free to live wherever you want.

[PatColo]

Monday, August 1, 2011

Tuesday's guest: "Towers of Deception" author Barrie Zwicker (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/08/tuesdays-guest-towers-of-deception.html)


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nMi0TomPooQ/Tjc3Eor0d7I/AAAAAAAAAzI/A0u0ImdHV_g/s320/barrie_zwicker.gif (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nMi0TomPooQ/Tjc3Eor0d7I/AAAAAAAAAzI/A0u0ImdHV_g/s1600/barrie_zwicker.gif)Tuesday, August 2nd, 9-10 a.m Pacific (noon Eastern) on NoLiesRadio.org (http://www.noliesradio.org/) (archived here (http://noliesradio.org/archives/category/archived-shows/kevin-barrett-show) a few hours after broadcast):

Barrie Zwicker, author of Towers of Deception: The Media Cover-up of 9/11 (http://towersofdeception.com/), discusses the latest episode of the media cover-up: Jonathan Kay's book Among the Truthers (http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/jonathan-kays-among-truthers-it-all.html), a condescending 100%-ad-hominem attack on the truth movement. (Listen to my interview with Jonathan Kay here (http://noliesradio.org/archives/35312), and my discussion of Kay's book with Anthony Hall and Joshua Blakeney here (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-072511.mp3).)

We'll also be discussing the state of the truth movement in general, and the upcoming Toronto Hearings (http://torontohearings.org/) in particular. Listen here: http://noliesradio.org/archives/35718 (http://noliesradio.org/archives/35718) - First thing you need to do at that NLR page is hit PAUSE on their live-stream console near the top-right of the page, which autoplays when you open the page, :-X. Then you hit PLAY on the console on the left side of the page, below the radio show's title.

[mick silver]

back up ........................................

[PatColo]

I've sorta given up on trying to get a "Chutzpah Maneuver" meme going to express what I now just call the more self-evident, "Flip the Script & Project" lying technique. :cool:

This author will be guest on KBarrett's show, beginning 11 AM ET this morning (Wed Mar 2):
Richard Hugus on Zionist propaganda and deception; Bob Reuschlein defends Hillary (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.ca/2016/03/richard-hugus-on-zionist-propaganda-and.html)


then ~2 days later the archive will be free for all to hear via the player console down the page a ways at: http://noliesradio.org/archives/111107


(http://noliesradio.org/archives/111107)


Zionist Propaganda and Deception (http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/02/zionist-propaganda-and-deception/)

by Richard Hugus / February 27th, 2016


There is an interesting kind of inversion in Zionist propaganda whereby the thing the Zionist accuses his enemy of doing, he is doing himself. Sometimes it is called projection, but in this case it is not a psychological flaw; it is done consciously for the purpose of deceit. So another word seems appropriate. Here is a case in point.


On February 22, 2016 a group called Americans for Peace and Tolerance held a news conference at the State House in Providence, in which they urged Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo to take back an offer she made last November welcoming Syrian refugees coming to the state.


This group, which claims to promote peace and tolerance, is an active supporter of Israel, which has for its entire history brought war to the world by demonizing Arabs and Muslims. When one of the most recent wars – in Syria — creates refugees, the group makes a stand for tolerance by holding a press conference to declare that Syrian refugees should not be tolerated. According to spokesman Charles Jacobs, the refugees “may pose significant dangers to Rhode Islanders, especially to the Jewish community here.” So, the people who created the wars, which in turn created the refugees, now want to be protected from having to be exposed to the refugees they created.


Americans for Peace and Tolerance are not Americans; they’re Israelis. They’re not for peace, but war. They’re not tolerant; they’re intolerant. They accuse others of hatred and violence when in fact this is their own stock in trade.


Reporting on the press conference by the Providence Journal (http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20160222/NEWS/160229773) and the Brown Daily Herald (http://www.browndailyherald.com/2016/02/24/students-community-members-protest-anti-refugee-efforts/) failed to point out that Americans for Peace and Tolerance is a Zionist front working for Israel. Its founder and only prominent member is Charles Jacobs, who has founded and provided the membership for other similar groups for the same purpose. These include CAMERA, the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting (promoting Zionist media analysis), the David Project (promoting Zionist campus activism), and the American Anti-Slavery Group (promoting the Zionist attack on Sudan).


If there is a threat posed by refugees coming to the US from the Middle East, it is not that the refugees hate Jews here and wish to do them harm; it is that they understand from long experience what Zionism has done to their people, culture, and lands in the name of the Jewish state, and that they can bring this understanding to people in the US who know nothing about it. This could be all the more harmful because critical financial, military, and diplomatic aid comes from the US. Of particular worry would be refugees and leaders from Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, or Sudan able to reach, talk to, and educate regular people in the US who have no idea of the racist genocide the US government is supporting. Wherever outspoken Arabs and Muslims have spoken up in New England, they have been attacked by the FBI, immigration authorities, and the court system until they are silenced by jail or deportation. Amer Jubran (https://richardhugus.wordpress.com/) and Tarek Mehanna (https://richardhugus.wordpress.com/articles/the-inquisition-comes-to-boston) are two such examples.


On February 22, Charles Jacobs told the Brown Daily Herald: “Syrian schools teach the country’s children a hatred of the West — “especially of Jews.”


In the Comment section of the Providence Journal (http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20160222/NEWS/160229773) Jacobs says:



Here is a study that shows that Syrians learn to despise Jews in schoolrooms across the country. They also learn about being jihadis, anti-Chrisian, and anti-democracy. The reporter got several studies from me, but declined to look at them. SO let the reader decide: http://www.impact-se.org/docs/reports/Syria/Syria2001.pdf

(http://www.impact-se.org/docs/reports/Syria/Syria2001.pdf)


The study cited was put out in June 2001 by the Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace, another friendly sounding group, based in Israel. The Center is described by Miftah (http://miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=8797&CategoryId=4) as “a Jewish organization with links to extremist and racist Israeli groups that advocate settlement activities in the Palestinian territories, expulsion (transfer) of Palestinians from their homeland, and claims that Palestinians are all ‘”terrorists” and that peace with them is not possible.”


The Executive Summary of the study lists a number of offensive positions taken in the Syrian school curriculum. For example:


“Zionism is depicted as a racist and aggressive movement based on false assumptions that the Jews are one people connected to Palestine. Zionism exploits the Jewish religion in order to exercise control over vast areas of the Arab homeland.”


This is supposed to be the outrageous hate speech in Syrian textbooks. In fact, it’s the truth.


One Itamar Marcus is cited for his work in preparing the study. According to Sourcewatch (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Monitoring_the_Impact_o f_Peace), “in recent years Marcus has been making a living translating and disseminating defamatory communications against Israel, extracted by his staff from Palestinian publications. Marcus, a settler, used to work for David Bar Illan, Benjamin Netanyahu’s PR chief.”


Below are other examples cited in the study as outrageous teaching of hatred in Syrian textbooks:


“An Arab people is uprooted from its land and incoming strangers are used by Imperialism and Zionism as a tool of oppression against the liberation movements in the region.” (Reader and Literary Texts, Grade 7, p. 207)


“Our land was invaded by alien people who had come from distant lands…” (Reader, Grade 5, pt. 2, p. 45)


“The Zionists…had homes in their distant homelands… [but] the oppressors insisted on taking our own home.” (“The Small Lemon Tree,” Short Stories, Grade 5, p. 12)


All true, and richly so. It would be a good antidote to the ignorance about Israeli racism in the US if such textbooks could be brought into US schools. We should be thankful to the study authors for letting us know about them.


Underscoring another method of Israeli propaganda — the importance of constant fear, The Brown Daily Herald (http://www.browndailyherald.com/2016/02/24/students-community-members-protest-anti-refugee-efforts/) reports:


“We will not bow to tyranny and evil,” said former U.S. Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-MI, a former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee who joined Americans for Peace and Tolerance at the State House. “There will be no more Boston massacres, no more San Bernardinos.”


This is where Israeli propaganda dovetails with highly charged political events staged by darker forces within the Israel and US governments.

The real Boston massacre was in 1770; the fake Boston massacre was in 2013. San Bernardino was also a false flag. So was 9–11. These events are now earning their keep by becoming valid coin in support of the war on terror. Their purpose was to undergird the phoniest war in human history, as planned by the neocons working for Israel in the US. Without these staged events, Rep. Hoekstra would have no sound bite, and Americans for Peace and Tolerance would have no fear with which to threaten us.


Israeli propaganda is conducted with a sophisticated understanding of human psychology and culture. Its inversion of reality mixes us up by confronting us with the unthinkable. Would an organization professing noble goals actually promote lies? Could people who claim to be victims actually be aggressors? Could people in positions of authority plan massive attacks on innocent people in order to make us hate their political enemy? Could that enemy have been created out of whole cloth for decades on end? Could someone who says they’re against hate actually be in the business of causing hate? Could people smeared with the “canards” of owning the banks and media actually be guilty of these canards? Were these canards defined as such in order to pre-empt accusation? Could government officials who appear to be sane actually be psychopaths capable of committing false flags? Is it crazy to believe these things when the rest of the world apparently doesn’t?


According the the corporate press, one of the alleged attackers during the November 13, 2015 Paris false flag allegedly said, “This is for Syria!” Here is the feat: Get the public to associate a monstrous mass murder with the legitimate cause of Syria, a nation under relentless outside attack, and you destroy any sympathy for that cause, vilify anyone who might speak in favor of it, justify unheard-of police repression, and further the original war on terror, all at the same time. A complete and utterly cynical deception.


Israeli agents such as Charles Jacobs exploit the meme of victimhood established long ago for Jewish people in order to further the attack being carried out by Zionists against those who really are victims – in this case, the Syrians who have had to flee their attacks, their attempt to steal more Arab land, and, it would seem, their attempt to rule the world.


Richard Hugus is based in Falmouth, Massachusetts. He can be reached at: rhugus@cape.com. (rhugus@cape.com)Read other articles by Richard (http://dissidentvoice.org/author/richardhugus/), or visit Richard's website (http://richardhugus.wordpress.com/).


This article was posted on Saturday, February 27th, 2016 at 8:49am and is filed under
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http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/02/zionist-propaganda-and-deception

[PatColo]

This author will be guest on KBarrett's show, beginning 11 AM ET this morning (Wed Mar 2):
Richard Hugus on Zionist propaganda and deception; Bob Reuschlein defends Hillary (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.ca/2016/03/richard-hugus-on-zionist-propaganda-and.html)


then ~2 days later the archive will be free for all to hear via the player console down the page a ways at: http://noliesradio.org/archives/111107
(http://noliesradio.org/archives/111107)


the above KBarrett show with guest Richard Hugus is now available to all at the noliesradio link. I listened, it's only first 30 mins of the 1hr show; pretty good discussion complementing the points Hugus laid out in his article "Zionist Propaganda and Deception (http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/02/zionist-propaganda-and-deception/)" pasted in my reply above.

But I did make an exhaustive 3-part comment @ Barrett's radio blog entry; Richard Hugus on Zionist propaganda and deception; Bob Reuschlein defends Hillary (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.ca/2016/03/richard-hugus-on-zionist-propaganda-and.html), which is presently in the approval queue there. For posterity (and in case it doesn't see the light of day @ KB's blog); I'll repost those 3 parts below:



A few years ago I was trying to get a meme-phrase going to express this zio-textbook "Flip the Script & Project" lying/propaganda MO. I was calling it, "The Chutzpah Maneuver." I even looked at how to submit it to urbandictionary.com; but IIRC it was rejected, no reason given of course. A bit strange, coz they do have some "loaded" entries, like:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jewish+Lightning

Anyways I gave up on "The Chutzpah Maneuver" and now I just call this deliberate textbook deception MO the more self-evident "Flip the Script & Project", without the ethno-religious tribal association I'd originally hoped for. Sigh. However, given the meaning of "chutzpah", roughly: shameless audacity; anyone (think: Gentiles) who knowingly employs this deception MO demonstrates chutzpah too, right?

I'll break this comment into 3 parts coz I sense it'll be longer than blogspot allows in one shot. So I'll describe 2 more elements of this important & ubiquitous "Flip the Script & Project" lying MO. Namely, the "reverse projection" element, and the "strike first; then repeat loudly & often" element. I didn't really see Richard Hugus stress these key elements enough; at least not explicitly.



RE: the "reverse projection" element, this takes the opponent/enemy's good & virtuous qualities & desires, and tries to (fraudulently) project them onto aggressor/victimizer who's employing the zionist "Flip the Script & Project" (FTS&P) lying MO.

So for example, the FTS&P employer, aka the malevolent aggressor, (fraudulently) postures as only wanting peace, "bending over backwards" to maintain peace in the face of their opponent's diabolical agenda & relentless aggression, yada yada.

Or, say the FTS&P employer seeks to maintain the official narrative of a Big FF Lie, like 911, or Sandy Hoax. Their opponents are the Truthers who've seen through the lie & called it out, as the result of the Truthers' virtuous qualities of skepticism, thinking outside the FAUX-News marinating groupthink box, and diligent independent research. So, what qualities does the FTS&P-employing (aggressor) party masquerade as possessing; nay, as "owning"?? Mmmm Hmmm.

I saw this latter example above in spades, related to the small cabal of "truther-turncoats" who campaigned in favor of media.gov's official Sandy Hoax narrative. They'd spend half of their shows "skooling listeners" about the fundamentals of diligent independent research, and the dangers of groupthink, and the sneaky "Delphi Technique" cognitive infiltrators who seek to deceive and betray ("us"... fraudulently including themselves, our vigilant watchdogs against such shenanigans).

Meanwhile, hoping honest listeners wouldn't notice, this same pro-gov Sandy Hoax cabal was seeking to "Delphi" us into believing the media.gov groupthink narrative which 90/whatever percent of Americans have been deceived to believe! /rolleyes!

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=749721#post749721


RE the "strike first, then repeat loudly & often" element of a thorough FTS&P employment; this amounts to being proactive in "owning" (the zio-inverted version of) the conflict, by being the FIRST to voice the (opponent's valid & inevitable) objections.

It was just a few days after 911 that GWB gave his (zio-puppeteers') "...outrageous conspiracy theories..." UN speech, right? A couple of YEARS before 911 Truth started to see any small traction, Truthers had been "preemptively defined."

There's obviously a powerful psych/mind-kontrol/sympathy power to be gained by the "FIRST to (preemptively & dishonestly) PROTEST! We see this over & over with the kind of "special interest organizations" as Hugus named in his article, who choose their org names by INVERTING 180 degrees their true agendas! The Defamation Experts preemptively deceive, by trying to posture as the arbitrators of the meaning of "defamation", by choosing "The Anti-Defamation League" for their name, know what I mean? Who would suspect that a group with ADL's chosen name, would be in the business of DEFAMING people who stood in the way of zionism's malevolent global agenda?

Sandy Hoax Truthers didn't have their act together enough yet to chant in unison about how their organized pro-gov-narrative opponents "don't really seek the truth; only seek to be in their majority clique; their 'research' is sloppy; they employ dishonest gambits to achieve their agendas; yada yada" in correctly defining the pro gov narrative shills; we weren't disparaging of proclaimed SH believers at all-- only seeking to open their eyes to the evidence of a grand hoax. But before we knew what hit us, the organized pro gov SH shills were PREEMPTIVELY chanting these accusations in unison seeking to fraudulently define SH truthers!

Kevin's long article "Jonathan Kay's Among the Truthers: 'It All Ties in to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion!!!!'" effectively deconstructs Kay's textbook employment to the FTS&P lying MO from top to bottom in his "Among the Truthers" zio-propaganda book.
http://truthjihad.blogspot.com/2011/07/jonathan-kays-among-truthers-it-all.html

"Ironically", the (zio-textbook) FTS&P deception MO "works" coz of the targets' own propensity to "project" their own honesty/virtue onto others-- thus dismissing the notion that their (malevolent aggressors) could possibly be lying on such a grand scale. Look up "Big Lie" at wikipedia to see what Hitler wrote about this zionist FTS&P lying MO.

[mick silver]

This group, which claims to promote peace and tolerance, is an active supporter of Israel, which has for its entire history brought war to the world by demonizing Arabs and Muslims

[PatColo]

As It Is (http://renegadetribune.com/as-it-is/) (http://renegadetribune.com/as-it-is/)March 24, 2016 (http://renegadetribune.com/as-it-is/) Digger for Truth (http://renegadetribune.com/author/digger/) 0 Comment (http://renegadetribune.com/as-it-is/#respond)

Sometimes ya just gotta say it as it is The Jew will always accuse you of what his/her tribe have done to you. They (collective Jewry) will always invert the Truth, twisting and projecting their version of reality onto the gullible conditioned masses to suit their agenda.


They inevitably end up being the victim, no matter what injustice they inflict on others.


The extortionate wealth and global power of many of these elite Jews is gained entirely through parasitism: their unlawful usury, corruption, extortion and general malpractice – all of which they openly boast about.


As a collective, they are soulless, materialistic, cruel, aggressive, demonically-driven parasites. Collective Jewry is the physical manifestation of dark spiritual elements and the cancer on humanity. And hiding behind it’s just another religious minority facade, with it’s quirky innocent image – it is in fact mankind’s eternal mortal enemy.


These PPPPs [Pernicious Parasitic Psychotic Predators], along with traitorous self-serving non-jews, are not running the world, but ruining the world – with intent to enslave and destroy most of us. This is their agenda known as The New World Order.


I strongly feel they are the physical conduits working on behalf of a non-physical demonic entity in order to destroy this planet and anything which pertains to nature – they are literally anti-nature and anti-life.


They have instigated the destruction of the planet through poisoning the rivers, seas, lakes, streams, air, soil and most natural habitats.


They are behind all the perverted anti-nature sexualisation and degradation of society, in order to destroy the family unit and commit white genocide with their NWO eugenics plan.


They control all the political parties and most of the counter-revolutionary parties and many alternative outlets, even at local level through their plethora of sayanim agents and gullible mind controlled non-jewish fools. Democracy and voting is just their trickery, to get the gullible goy (non-jews) to think they have levels of autonomy on how society is run.


They have a 360 degree grip on the mainstream media, academia, entertainment industry and any area of social influence. It is all for the purpose of mind-controlling the non-jews to suit their agenda.


Most, if not all, jews despise non-jews. Most are just good at pretending they’re your friend. They are only ever loyal to their tribe and will turn on you to serve their tribe whenever the opportunity prevails. No jews can be trusted! Ultimately there are no ‘good’ jews.


The jews as a collective have been booted out of 109 countries over 2000 years for their anti-social, anti-nature and anti-non-jew shenanigans. They are a nuisance to humanity to say the least.


They have a history of projecting their criminal activities onto others, especially the white European race (i.e. the black slave trade is now blamed on whites to guilt up whites when it was predominantly a jewish enterprise for jewish benefits). They use non whites as a collective tool through their artificially-created immigration policies to destroy White European culture. They despise the White European race, as we have notoriously been the creators. The jewish collective, being the destroyers, are generally the exact antipode of creativity, beauty and nature.


Their holocaust is a fabrication – a myth. It never happened! The camps were merely work camps for criminals (arbeit macht frei) – most definitely not death camps for jews. These work camps were built for those who were antagonistic and destructive to German social order. The only suffering these jews had to endure was that they no longer were able to continue parasitising off the hard-working Germans and actually had to do honest hard work for the first time in their lives. So yes, they did suffer within their ethos.


And the death toll inside the camps at the end of the war was due to the JEWISH-instigated carpet bombing by the Americans, which destroyed the infrastructure – therefore minimum food and resources could get to the camps. But the Germans were also suffering outside the camps. The British Red Cross reported better nutrition inside the camps than the German population outside the camps.


They have to keep perpetrating this holocaust fairytale as a buffer for their plethora of global criminal activity. It is their immediate club card that works every time. You can’t point your finger at me, as I am the victim… the world’s eternal victims. Get the violins out.


These didgeridoos are behind every false flag ’terrorist’ event, such as: Sandy hook, the Boston marathon, 9-11, London 7-7 bombings, Paris bombings, Madrid train bomb, ad infinitum. These are part of their hegelian dialectic [problem-reaction-solution] in order to bring on the next stage of their JWO agenda: more wars, more Orwellian control, race divisions and generally to keep us all in fear – and therefore enslaved.


I am now at a mindset where I see there are three beings sharing this planet: humans, animal kingdom and jewmans. After having studied jewish history and behaviour long enough now; I think they are not of us. I am most definitely open to the concept that they are an outer-world alien species. I accept this sounds far fetched and the world of fantasy; but I cannot accept this race is of mankind.



The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant race ever heard of. As commonly encountered, they lack many of the qualities that mark the civilized man: courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, confidence. They have vanity without pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom. Their fortitude, such as it is, is wasted upon puerile objects, and their charity is mainly a form of display.”-H.L. Menken (sourced from www.iamthewitness.com (http://www.iamthewitness.com/))


It is only until we stop being so polite, gentlemanly, nice and euphemistic when defining our enemy that we will begin to make progress in making this a better world.

http://renegadetribune.com/as-it-is/



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[keehah]

Kevin Barrett....

In fact, after earning my Ph.D. in 2004 (not 1997), I earned what I was told was the most prestigious offer anyone had received in the history of my department -- a prized University of California post-doc, which I turned down because it would have involved studying immigrant Muslim activities under the auspices of the CIA-linked FordFoundation.

Seems legit. Although now the tables are turned.

bigleaguepolitics.com: Leftist Filmed Harassing White Students at Arizona State Exposed as Ford Foundation Fellow (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/leftist-filmed-harassing-white-students-at-arizona-state-exposed-as-ford-foundation-fellow/)

Sep 26, 2021
A campus leftist who filmed a viral video harassing two students at Arizona State University is a fellow of the Ford Foundation, one of the most wealthy and powerful non-governmental organizations in the world.

Sarra Tekola identifies herself as a Ford Fellow on her now-locked Twitter feed. She’s a PhD candidate, not a delusional freshman who has no experience in confronting other people with different ideas.

In the original video filmed by Tekola, the left-wing organizer harasses two students on racial grounds, citing a ‘police matter’ sticker on one of the student’s laptops. Libs of Tik Tok published the video, which went viral over the weekend as an example of leftist intolerance and hate.

The two white male students were later forced to leave the de facto segregated Multicultural Center at ASU, with Tekola and another students apparently unable to merely look at something other than the ‘Police Matter’ sticker.

Tekola’s Linkedin- now also locked down- states that she was named a Ford Foundation fellow in August 2018.

Tekola was previously arrested on felony charges of aggravated assault against a police officer, stemming from her presence at a violent Black Lives Matter protest in October.

The Ford Foundation is considered one of the most powerful private foundations in the country, with a $16 billion endowment and influence throughout government and big business. The organization touts having donated nearly $700 million dollars since 2011 to so-called ‘racial justice’ efforts, donating $330 million to progressive activist groups over the past two years.

One journalist who obtained access to internal Ford Foundation communications viewed a pattern of left-wing intolerance and disregard for free expression within the NGO, with leftists refusing to debate or discuss alternatives to standard woke social justice dogma.

It’s no surprise that someone as intolerant as Tekola fits right in with the Ford Foundation. It’s certainly concerning, however, that those fostered by the woke corporate-billionaire class are being groomed as the leaders of tomorrow’s society.

the video: https://youtu.be/8hcTbUmaNjw
7:40

[Cebu_4_2]

I have low tolerance syndrome. Absolutely no patience. That's why I'm not a doctor. I have had confrontations with shit skins like this, there is NO WAY to defuse any situation EVER. I have a degree in psychology and looked in depth at these scenarios. There is no win other than total obliteration of the cause. Which for these few white guys would not end up in their favor. That nigger has been completely indoctrinated at that establishment, knew big words and how to use them too. Impressive. But back to my initial response...