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mick silver
30th July 2011, 09:53 AM
http://www.caseyresearch.com/editorial.php?page=articles/buzz-around-gold-growing-louder&ppref=GLD207ED0711B ...
By Jeff Clark, Casey Research BIG GOLD (http://www.caseyresearch.com/crpmkt/crpSolo.php?id=207&ppref=GLD207ED0711B)
I outlined last week the increasingly bullish consensus among analysts about gold stocks (http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/undercurrent-gold#section0). The same pattern exists with gold itself; growing numbers of analysts have either joined the movement or have upped their bullish outlook.
The following comments and developments have all been reported just this month. It presents quite a convincing case when one strings them together like this. Keep in mind that this is what these analysts and managers are telling their clients.
SICA Wealth Management’s Jeffrey Sica: “Right now, I think gold looks better than ever.” He sees a “painfully high probability” of troubling events occurring in the months ahead. “There has been a general loss of confidence in the ability of central banks and governments to manage the economy. That will continue to give gold and other precious metals a boost.”
Empire Economics chief economist Clifford Bennett expects gold to come close to $2,000 an ounce this year and $2,200 an ounce within 18 months. “There is risk in the second half of the year of a bit of a ‘panic spike,’ if you like, as everyone thinks there isn’t enough to go around and starts to hoard. That’s when you’ll really see gold take off towards $2,000 an ounce.”
Franco-Nevada Chairman Pierre Lassonde said the coming mania in gold will make the 1970s run look like child’s play. “In 1980, the only players, or the dominant players, were the Americans. Today the dominant players are China and India; 58% of all the gold sold this year will be sold in these two countries. When we reach that mania phase… watch out, because it will truly make your head spin.”
Antaike analyst Shi Heqing had this to say about Chinese investors: “Record high prices won’t scare away investors… they are likely to chase the rally and continue to buy gold because paper money feels increasingly worthless and they are worried about inflation.” Shi expects China’s gold demand to rise about 20%, due in no small part to the country’s 6.4% inflation rate.
Reuters: “The case for gold in the longer term is still very strong,” said a Singapore-based trader. “Gold may appeal to new classes of investors who previously avoided the market in favor of more mainstream investments like bank deposits, bonds, and equities. Potentially there’s a whole new market for small-sized gold bars if these investors lose faith in paper.”
Newedge USA predicted gold will hit $1,800 and silver $70 by year-end due to investors seeking a haven asset and physical demand from Asia. “Gold is an excellent hedge in troubled times” said Mike Frawley. “Demand will be very strong long-term from Asia, and the economic trend in the West is improving.”
FX Concepts founder John Taylor: “Gold will climb to $1,900 by October.”
SMC Global: “Evidence of sluggish U.S. growth has shaken investor confidence. Concerns about rising inflation here have also boosted appetite for gold ETFs. Demand is high from small players.”
Minerals and Metals Trading Corp’s Ved Kumar Prakash reported “skyrocketing” demand for gold in India. He predicted that given the company’s brisk sales, gold imports would jump by more than 40% this fiscal year.
The Swiss Parliament is expected later this year to discuss the creation of a gold franc. “I want Swiss people to have the freedom to choose a completely different currency,” said Thomas Jacob, the man behind the gold franc concept. “Today’s monetary system is all backed by debt – all backed by nothing – and I want people to realize this.”
An “Iranian gold rush” is under way, according to an article by Reuters. “Usually as the price of an item increases, demand will decrease – but in the case of gold, it seems that higher prices are creating more demand,” said an unnamed Tehran gold retailer. “The reasons that people are drawn to these safe assets – gold coins and hard currency – are firstly a limited choice of investment opportunities, and secondly a fear from the weakness of the national currency,” said an economist who asked not to be named.
The Utah Legal Tender Act was signed into law by Governor Herbert last month. “Good monetary policy is an important part of a healthy and prosperous economy,” said Senator Mike Lee. He and other Republicans also introduced legislation to eliminate federal capital gains taxes on gold and silver coins. “Since the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, the dollar has lost approximately 98% of its value. This bill is an important step towards a stable and sound currency whose value is protected from the Fed’s printing press.”
CIBC World Markets’ Peter Buchanan remains bullish even if the debt ceiling talks resolve. “Even in the likely event Congress agrees to a debt ceiling rise, recent uncertainties are likely to reinforce central banks’ ongoing efforts to diversify from the dollar into gold and other assets.”
Citigroup Global Markets reported that silver may more than double to $100 an ounce if the current bull market follows similar patterns seen between 1971 and 1980. “If the final rally in the last bull market repeated, then we can expect $100 over the long term… While the high so far this year was at the same level as the peak in January 1980, we are not convinced that the long-term trend is over yet.”
Gold Forecaster analyst Julian Phillips: “This is not typical of a ‘bull’ market that will eventually fall back from whence it came. We believe gold is not in a ‘bull’ market, because it is changing its shape and nature permanently. Our reasoning is not academic posturing, but a reflection of the realities that have taken place over time and those that confront us now. Because it is perceived to be an alternative wealth-preserving asset, a counter to a failing monetary system, it is not a simple commodity moving up and down with the flows and ebbs of economic cycles; it is a valid measure of monetary values.”
American Precious Metals Advisors Managing Director Jeffrey Nichols: “A recent survey of 80 central bank reserve managers predicted that the most significant change in their official reserve holdings in the next 10 years will be their intentional build up in gold reserves. They also predicted that gold will be their best performing asset class over the next year, and sovereign debt defaults will be their principal risk.”
Gloom Boom and Doom editor Marc Faber: “I just calculated that if we take an average gold price of say around $350 in the 1980s and compare that to the average monetary base and the average U.S. government debt in the 1980s...and then if I compare this to the price of gold to today’s government debts and monetary base, gold hasn’t gone up at all. It’s actually gone against these monetary aggregates, and against debt it’s actually gone down. So I could make the case that gold is today probably very inexpensive.”
GoldMoney founder James Turk: “In reality there are very few participants currently in the gold market… when I look at the price action, it suggests to me that a lot of this big money on the sidelines wants to be in. Therefore we are seeing some aggressive bidding on any pullbacks.”
Reuters Money reports that eBay’s “gold and silver outpost” has seen gold bullion sales jump more than 60% from 2007 through 2010. More significantly, “almost half of the silver and gold buyers in the first quarter of 2011 never purchased these items on eBay before.”
Sprott Asset Management chief investment strategist John Embry: “I think it will be really exciting when silver clears $50, because then it will be in absolutely new ground. There is, without question, major physical shortages of physical silver, and demand is robust. Once silver gets rolling, it’s going to levels people cannot imagine.”
It’s hard to go one day without seeing comments like these. The chorus is growing, and as these bullish views spread further and further into the mainstream, the number of investors attracted to precious metals will swell and continue to drive prices higher.
Is this growing consensus the sign of a top? As I said about gold stocks, taking the contrarian view in response to this information would be the wrong move. Fiscal and monetary issues are getting worse, not better, and I think we’re simply seeing more investors recognize the inevitable. We’ll worry about exiting this sector when real interest rates are positive and the dollar is once again a revered currency. Until then, it’s hard to imagine a scenario that isn’t bullish for gold. Any pullback should thus be viewed as a sale price.
Is the impetus for a mania building? I don’t know if we’re on the doorstep of that phase or not, but the fundamental reasons to hold gold are as strong as they’ve ever been. Indeed, it’s getting more critical to have meaningful exposure to precious metals. Keep in mind that when the debt ceiling talks reach a resolution – whatever it may be – the fundamental problems of excessive debt and further deficits will still be unresolved.
Will gold correct if agreements are reached on the debt talks? Probably, but I think the more appropriate question to ask is this: If these analysts are correct, do I own enough ounces?
[Jeff Clark – editor of BIG GOLD (http://www.caseyresearch.com/crpmkt/crpSolo.php?id=207&ppref=GLD207ED0711B) for Casey Research – puts his money where his mouth is.

Ponce
30th July 2011, 10:19 AM
Remember folks that you are not making any money by buying PM.......SAY WHAT?.......because all that you are really doing is preserving the value of the fiat that you paid the PM with.......in plain English, now you can buy a Coke for $1.00 and in the future when Coke goes to $5.00 your PM will have gone up by the same ammount so that you are really paying $1.00 for that Coke and not the new $5.00 price................all that I have to think about is in the movie "Soilent Green" where a jar of jam was $150.00.

Now then.....if you are a banker then you can lend out the gold at the given price plus 15% in gold interest so that we will be back to square one as we are now....the banks in control.........I have what I need for the rest of my natural life but I did it by knowing what the future was going to be like and getting ready for it, you should think ahead and do the same........don't be at the mercy of a banker.......or go hungry.

Uncle Salty
30th July 2011, 12:03 PM
My rent is the same it was three years ago but my pm holdings have gone up significantly. I have made money.

Serpo
30th July 2011, 04:19 PM
Well looky here the HSBC Bank thinks gold is over valued,,,,,,,,,,,
Gold – Asset or Bubble?

by stuart on July 28, 2011

http://agmetalminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Commentary_Cue_476W_MetalMiner.gif (http://agmetalminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Commentary_Cue_476W_MetalMiner.gif)A review (http://viewswire.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=VWArticleVW3&article_id=1578310942&refm=vwHome&page_title=Latest+analysis&mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonv6TOZKXonjHpfsX67ugqWaeg38 431UFwdcjKPmjr1YIFSsV0dvycMRAVFZl5nQlRD7I%3D&rf=0) of the gold price written by Robin Bew, chief economist at HSBC Bank, proposes that the gold price is in danger of entering bubble territory and predicts a sharp correction by year-end. Determinedly, Robin examines the main drivers behind the price over recent months while acknowledging by use of this graph that the price has been on the rise for much of the last decade:
http://agmetalminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Gold-Price.gif (http://agmetalminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Gold-Price.gif)
Source: The Economist
Courting controversy from a few sides, the bank states there is nothing special about the nature of gold that makes it an ideal safe-haven asset. Were it not for its widely perceived role as just that, gold would behave like most commodities—rising in value during good economic times, when demand for its industrial uses increases. Of course, gold has limited industrial uses and if that were the only source of demand, the price would behave exactly as he suggests.
The problem is this quasi-financial role that gold has — not quite a currency, but treated as if it were. This imparts it with a special status – like all currencies, though, it can rise or fall depending on circumstances. Upon accepting that the world has somewhat arbitrarily assigned gold this role, we must review a number of factors that support gold’s price prior to predicting how these may develop in the year ahead.
First, its safe-haven status, as he points out; since Lehman Brothers collapsed on Sept. 15, 2008, the price of gold has more than doubled. Demand from investors rose from 692 tons in 2007 to 1,200 tons in 2009 and 1,487 tons in 2010, along with demand for other safe-haven assets like US treasuries and the Swiss franc. The yield on all such government debt – US, German, Japanese — has been historically low for much of the last three years with the exception of early 2011, when the community went risk-on and moved out of safe havens and into commodities and other riskier assets.
Recently though, sovereign debt has been very much back in the news and gold has benefited from its safe haven status as the Euro has seemed on the point of collapse and the US government seems unable to reach agreement on budget cuts.
The other major support for gold, which almost runs counter to fears about sovereign debt and another financial crisis, is the fear of inflation. Indeed in 2009/10 many were attracted to gold as a hedge against the potential for rising inflation as the global economies bounced back in an extremely low-interest and loose monetary environment.
HSBC’s opinion is the US will reach a deal that avoids default before Aug. 2 and that European leaders’ decisions this week will paper over the cracks, if not actually solve the indebted positions of Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy such that they can continue to function within the Euro. The bank does not see any significant risk of a rise in inflation in the early stages of what will be a weak and prolonged recovery phase. They are expecting a gradual US recovery starting later this year and observe that Japan is already returning to some sense of normality after the natural disasters early this year. As interest rates do rise, the attractions of financing investments in gold will be reduced compared to other asset classes. As a result, the bank expects the price of gold to average $1,390/troy ounce in the fourth quarter of 2011 and to fall to $1,000/troy ounce by mid-2013.
Naturally the bank adds caveats that this is based on the recovery occurring as expected and inflation remaining subdued, but on the balance of probabilities — that is how the bank sees the next two years working out. As such, some may question if gold at $1600/oz really represents such great value, or if they would be better off taking profits while they can.
–Stuart Burns


http://agmetalminer.com/2011/07/28/gold-asset-or-bubble/

Serpo
30th July 2011, 04:22 PM
Maybe the real motive for HSBC is to get your gold




Insight Into JP Morgan's Manipulation


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Back in September 2010 the big news in the financial mainstream media was JP Morgan’s announcement that they will be closing their proprietary trading desks. At that time JP Morgan was in the process of
winding down their proprietary trading operations and laid off their 20 proprietary commodities traders, who I believe could be responsible for the current concentrated short position in silver.
I have long held the belief that JP Morgan’s manipulation of the silver market is the sole reason for the artificially high gold/silver ratio of recent years, which in September 2010 stood at 63 to 1. Silver possesses all of the same monetary qualities as gold.
The ratio today is 40.5
I believe the U.S. mortgage market will come to a complete halt and it will become nearly impossible to sell your house unless you are willing to lower the price to a level where buyers can afford it without a mortgage.
With the U.S. unemployment rate likely to rise above Great Depression levels, the last thing you will want during the upcoming currency crisis is to have your wealth stuck in Real Estate. I believe Americans will desire the freedom and flexibility that comes with owning precious metals.
I don’t see any possible way to justify a gold/silver ratio that is higher than the historical average of 16. I believe we will see the gold/silver ratio decline dramatically and if JP Morgan is going to be covering their shorts as part of their winding down of their proprietary trading division, the biggest move downward in the gold/silver ratio could come in the months ahead.
Bear Stearns previously held the silver short position that is now controlled by JP Morgan. The very day that Bear Stearns failed in March of 2008 was the day that silver reached its multi-decade high of $21 per ounce.
Although nobody in the mainstream media has ever reported this, I believe the real reason the Federal Reserve was so eager to orchestrate a bailout of Bear Stearns is because Bear Stearns was losing control over the price of silver.
JP Morgan has been slowly starting to cover its silver shorts in recent months, but still holds the majority of its silver short position.
The largest banks like JP Morgan control what is said in the financial mainstream media. It is sickening to me that all of the so-called financial experts who were pushing the public to buy dot-com stocks in 2000 and Real Estate in 2005, are now calling for massive deflation. This, I feel is being done solely to trick the little guy so that Wall Street as a whole can switch from being on the short side of gold and silver, to the long side.
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/884/230/Insight_Into_JP_Morgans_Manipulation.html

gunDriller
30th July 2011, 06:09 PM
as a former customer of HSBC ... my observation is, they are acting as if they are going bankrupt.

customer service was good up till about 2007, OK in 2008 & 2009, then completely evaporated in 2010.

they are not behaving like a company that is thinking of the long term. they are some desperate MoFo's.

i don't think HSBC is going to survive the next round of the credit crisis. some of their national branches might.

ximmy
30th July 2011, 07:00 PM
the INO charts show gold spanking everything else...

Serpo
31st July 2011, 12:42 AM
Did you say spanking.....

1970 silver art
31st July 2011, 04:22 AM
the INO charts show gold spanking everything else...

I think that gold (and silver) has been "spanking" everything else for the last 10 years on a % level. A much better return than the S&P 500 in the last 10 years.

1970 silver art
31st July 2011, 04:41 AM
My take on this is this.............The more people (a.k.a. "sheeple" a.k.a. "dumb money") that hear about gold, the more people that want to get on to what they think is the latest "get rich quick" craze" and more sheeple (i.e. "dumb money") will pile on into gold (and silver) just like they did in the late 1990's with the dot-com and tech stocks. The sheeple (i.e. "Dumb money") are chasing returns just like they did in the late 1990's tech stock run. The "sheeple" who get in late in the "gold game" will not understand the true role of gold and will instead look at gold as a "speculative" play and their greed will overtake them and the sheeple (i.e. "dumb money") will get slaughtered when (not if) gold goes back down and, out of frustration, will sell near where gold will ultimately bottom out. The sheeple ("Dumb money") will look at gold as they looked at tech stocks in the late 1990's and, more than likely, the sheeple will not understand Ponce rule # 1 of "If you don't hold it, you don't own it" and they will instead pour money into paper gold (i.e. GLD) and not into actual physical gold.

1999-early 2000 seemed to be the "blow off top" for dot-com and tech stocks. So I wonder when the blow off top and on what price level that gold will be on when the blow off top begins in gold? That will be very interesting to see what happens with the gold price from this point on.

learn2swim
31st July 2011, 08:00 AM
I don't know anybody who owns gold or silver personally. Never mind, anybody who took out loans to buy any. Anybody who says Gold and silver are in a bubble are jackasses. If paper gold and silver didn't exist, the prices would be double maybe even triple what it is now.

Dogman
31st July 2011, 08:09 AM
I don't know anybody who owns gold or silver personally. Never mind, anybody who took out loans to buy any. Anybody who says Gold and silver are in a bubble are jackasses. If paper gold and silver didn't exist, the prices would be double maybe even triple what it is now. That is the reason all the bullshit is going on to keep paper propped up. Need to keep the house of cards from falling.

mick silver
31st July 2011, 10:00 AM
Gold Faces Short-Term Price Trap ... John Browne
Posted Jul 30, 2011

Although I believe gold still faces a very rosy future, an agreement in Washington that avoids default and growing concerns of a global economic slowdown could create significant near-term headwinds for gold investors.

While the dysfunction of the US government is on stark display over the debt ceiling negotiations, other areas of the world show similar policy confusion. In the European Union, great doubts exist as to how the leaders will be able to stem the tide of serious sovereign debt contagion without inviting recession and an uptick in inflation. In China, commentators seem to lack confidence that the economy can maintain its impressive growth rate if its major trading bloc partners fall back into recession. This uncertainty has created a level of financial fear that has contributed to gold's run up to more than $1,600 per ounce. However, this also means that any weakening of these fears could lead to a pull back in gold. An agreement in Washington, however meaningless, may be such a trigger.

Evidence has grown that the United States government has no real intention of curbing its spendthrift ways. By next Tuesday, Congress will likely reach some sort of pallid agreement that will involve a short-term agreement to raise the debt ceiling just enough to postpone an imminent fiscal crisis until after the 2012 election. This will, of course, be another case of kicking the can down the road - and will only further compound the very problems that have helped send gold soaring. Still, any agreement that prevents an immediate default on Treasury debt will be greeted with great relief in the markets. The good feelings may spark a short-lived rally in stocks and sell-off in gold.

Another near-term hurdle for gold will be the dawning realization that recession may take hold once again in many regions around the globe, most notably in the US and eurozone. To the extent that these recessions are deflationary, they could drag on the gold price.

Despite the agitation of the freshman Tea Party members of the US House of Representatives, there appears little or no serious discussion about curbing the rise of runaway government spending that is acting as a crippling parasite on the US economy. Similarly, the punitive nature of the present so-called sovereign debt rescue packages in the eurozone likely will fan the flames of recession in Europe. To the extent that these downturns are not met with new money-printing, they could hypothetically hurt the gold price.

This is especially true if the implosions among Western economies impede the growth of China. For now, it appears China's breakneck growth is indeed slowing, but it is neither clear what role their export markets play in this nor how quickly they will be able to shift to a domestic-consumption model.

In normal times, these deflationary forces could present long-term problems for the gold price; however, these are not normal times. Rather, we believe the stage is being set for the currency catastrophe we have long forecast. In our calculation, the sovereign debt problem likely will increase. Eventually, even suddenly perhaps, it will lead to a currency crisis. This may cause a temporary capital shift from the euro into the US dollar, temporarily correcting the current dollar slide. But very quickly, I expect investors would realize that the US dollar itself is most vulnerable. As it is the international reserve currency, this might very well threaten a currency collapse and a surge in the price of gold.

In summary, gold appears set on a very strong upward path. However, in the short term, if global recessionary forces re-emerge and/or investors become euphoric over the US dodging a debt default, gold could face a significant price correction. If governments inflate wildly in a futile attempt to avert a pending depression, leading to stagflation, as we expect, then gold should rebound in price.

This should not be construed as an appeal for investors to sell their gold and try to time their way back into the market. Rather, I would suggest that there may be some discounted opportunities in the coming months. Hold on tight for turbulence ahead, and keep your bearings fixed on your intended destination.

ximmy
1st August 2011, 06:25 PM
Did you say spanking.....

http://www.omniphilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/woman-spanking-man.jpg

solid
1st August 2011, 06:35 PM
http://www.omniphilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/woman-spanking-man.jpg

LOL. Back in the good old days you'd get spanked for that post, Ximmy. ;D

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osoab
1st August 2011, 06:36 PM
Did you say spanking.....

I was just going to post this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtcSYPjJbgg

Then I found this too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ymZPM3W2W0

ximmy
2nd August 2011, 12:46 PM
Gold is still spanking the other commodities...

http://img.timezone.com/img/articles/comarticles631686938852993832/spanking.jpg

solid
2nd August 2011, 12:50 PM
Gold is still spanking the other commodities...

Indeed. A good spanking is often needed.;)

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Ponce
2nd August 2011, 12:56 PM
It was always loud, many just refused to listen and are now waking up........me? I woke up in 1972.

You ever seen a Cuban dance on the head of a pin?.........LOOK AT ME hahahahahahahaaaahahaha.