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Ponce
31st July 2011, 03:00 AM
Like I posted long ago, check my old posts......in Iraq and Afghanistan the US army are "loosing" many pieces of equipment by "accident" so that the rebels will find it and take them to their hide out.......but of course this "lose" equipment have RIFD chips in different places that the army can then trace by way of sats......any new gun or ammo that you buy keep them away from your old guns or ammo........better to be safe than sorry.
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Chiappa adding RFID Chips to their guns.

MKS suggests concerned consumers “wrap the revolver and their head in aluminum foil”
The sale of Chiappa firearms in the USA is about to plummet. They have just made the worst gun industry PR move of the decade.

Earlier this week gun bloggers and forum readers noticed that Chiappa Firearms, Italy, had issued a press release saying that they were going to embed RFID chips into their firearms.


Proposed RFID "chip" embedded in Chiappa revolver frame.
RFID units are circuits that can wirelessly report whatever identifying information was programmed into them. They are embedded everywhere, in consumer electronics, credit cards, trees, animals, humans and even some very dubious prototype electronic firearms.

Generally they as passive devices (without an internal power source) and are powered by the radio waves emitted by the RFID reader (much like how a crystal radio set need no battery). Because they are low powered, their range is limited, Chiappa claim that the reader can't be more than a few inches from the gun to read it.

Here is the problem: RFID units can be detected at long ranges with the right equipment, even if the signal is to low to be accuracy read. Hacking RFID systems is always popular at the big hacker conventions. Last year a hacker at DEFCON was able to detect if an individual standing on the ground floor parking lot of the Las Vegas Riviera Hotel was carrying a certain brand of RFID chip from as far away as the 29th floor of the hotel.

Potentially a high powered reader could be developed to detect if anyone passing by was carrying a concealed Chiappa firearm, even though they would not be able to read the serial number. Most gun owners are probably a lot less concerned about people reading the serial number, as they are about people covertly identifying that they are carrying. This will worry many consumers.

Personally, if I bought a Chiappa, the first thing I would be is remove the grip and use my pocket knife to pry out the RFID chip.


Chiappa Firearms Kodiak .45-70
If you were MKS Distributing, the importer of Chiappa Firearms in the United States, how would you handle RFID-gate? I would immediately talk to Chiappa Firearms in Italy and tell them that US consumers do NOT want RFID chips in their guns. Instead, MKS Distributing issued a press release that mocked gun bloggers and concerned consumers. In the condescending press release (reproduced below) they reference CIA satellites, Mel Gibson and suggests people who are concerned about RFID should "wrap the revolver and their head in aluminum foil".

MKS Distributing press release ...

RFID "Chip" in Chiappa Firearms-what's up with that?

MKS Distributing, Dayton OH, July, 2011-Distributor for Chiappa Firearms

Recently there has been some blogger activity (credibility always guaranteed) concerning Chiappa Firearms putting a RFID (radio frequency identification) in Chiappa Firearms. Yes, but Chiappa will not be using the RFID system for at least a year.

RUMOR: (known as blogosphere food): The erroneous information about some sort of "chip" was put out by a blogger who translated Chiappa (Italian) technical information incorrectly. The incorrect translation and his interpretation came out as some sort of a GPS type tracking "chip" -which RFID isn't as it cannot transmit anything-it has NO power source (unlike cell phones).

THE FACTS: Recently several Italian gun makers (not just Chiappa) decided to utilize RFID technology to improve manufacturing and provide more accurate inventory control. We guarantee this technology will proliferate to other gun makers world wide as it is so efficient for everything from production QC control to export/import varification. Other industries already use passive RFID technology such as on DVDs, sunglasses, clothes and even some food products for example.

Basically Chiappa RFID (again it is radio frequency identification) assists the manufacturing process, inventory control and shipping. The type of information on the RFID ties in the firearm and proof house verification; the latter is required by the Italian Government for all firearms made in Italy. Passive RFID is also a final check that verifies that what is inside the sealed box is the same thing as shown on the box exterior bar code during shipping. Now, it will no longer be necessary to open/inspect hundreds of boxes by hand prior to packing in export containers.

BOTTOM LINE: The Chiappa PASSIVE RFID can be read ONLY when passed within (2-3 inches) of an active (and powered) reader that is dialed in for the particular long antenna radio frequency of the RFID-this is not random. And it will NOT go into operation for a year or more.

SUMMARIZING: RFIDs have NO power source or GPS locator. Rest assured they are NOT transmitting your identification and location information to a Chiappa Firearm tasked CIA satellite.

RFID Removal: For those still concerned you can simply remove the grip and remove the hot glued RFID from the frame in the grip area when (over a year from now) these begin to appear. Others may prefer to wrap the revolver and their head in aluminum foil, curl in a ball and watch reruns of Mel Gibson's 1997 film, Conspiracy Theory. Well, that's a plan too!

This is one epic fail. Goodbye Chiappa, its game over on this side of the Atlantic.

UPDATE: My friend and fellow blogger Albert Rasch has also blogged about the above press release. He writes ...

Having no small experience now with RFID, let me tell you that they can be read by the appropriate reader at 30 meters. Furthermore no RFID chip reader that is being used for logistical control will have its range limited to 3 inches. A carton, or even pallets of materials will need a reader set to several feet. " Passive RFID is also a final check that verifies that what is inside the sealed box is the same thing as shown on the box exterior bar code during shipping. Now, it will no longer be necessary to open/inspect hundreds of boxes by hand prior to packing in export containers. " 3 inches eh? How is it going to read a pallet of material at 3 inches? I can only assume that MKS Distributors thinks most people are idiots, and incapable of figuring things out on their own.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/07/29/chiappa-adding-rfid-chips-to-their-guns-mks-suggests-concerned-consumers-wrap-the-revolver-and-their-head-in-aluminum-foil/

vacuum
31st July 2011, 03:23 AM
From what I can tell, its seems like Chiappa itself actually came out of this pretty well - they are announcing what they are going to do 1 year in advance and furthermore it appears that Italian law may require at least those sold to Italians to use these chips. However, their North American distributor then comes out and releases this completely arrogant and asinine statement. I'd never buy anything from their company under any circumstances.

Twisted Titan
31st July 2011, 03:28 AM
The Black Market on NON RFID firearms is going to explode overnight.

Just wait till it spreads to ammo...........

vacuum
31st July 2011, 03:34 AM
The Black Market on NON RFID firearms is going to explode overnight.

Just wait till it spreads to ammo...........

Its simple enough to take the chip off, unless they embed it into a molded piece of plastic. The real danger is when it becomes a felony to remove a chip off a firearm if it originally came with one (grinding off serial numbers is probably a felony right now).

mightymanx
31st July 2011, 03:35 AM
I am still interested inthe Rhino being a 357 revolver fan but..........





......They can honk on Bobo if they act like this.

Twisted Titan
31st July 2011, 03:40 AM
The Chiappa PASSIVE RFID can be read ONLY when passed within (2-3 inches) of an active (and powered) reader that is dialed in for the particular long antenna radio frequency of the RFID-this is not random.

And refusal by you to let said state thug scan your property for non complient weapons will result in immediate cause to raid your house to seize your property and whatever else they deem is contraband

palani
31st July 2011, 06:10 AM
Microwave ovens deal effectively with all rfid devices. It just fails to work. No other modification necessary.

Don't expect long range performance from passive rfid devices. Do expect long range performance from non-passive rfid devices however these devices do not perform for longer than a couple of days before batteries need changed or charged. There is a limit to the capacity of batteries.

solid
31st July 2011, 07:31 AM
Microwave ovens deal effectively with all rfid devices. It just fails to work. No other modification necessary.

Don't expect long range performance from passive rfid devices. Do expect long range performance from non-passive rfid devices however these devices do not perform for longer than a couple of days before batteries need changed or charged. There is a limit to the capacity of batteries.

Good thoughts, however putting guns and ammo into a microwave sounds like a bad idea.

What about a handheld EMP gun? We could go around zapping those pesky RFID chips off of everything. Kind of like pest control. Could be a good business idea. We could get a white van and drive around exterminating RFID's.

http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm

Ponce
31st July 2011, 10:16 AM
If they do come out with RFID on ammo then use the NEW AMMO to play with and save the old ones for work.