Chemtrails are weather modification...or that's what I think

[Uncle Salty]

I haven't seen any chemtrails in Los Angeles for it seems almost a month now. I can't ever remember not seeing them for that length of time since they began. At the same time, we have been having record heat in the Midwest and other areas. I wonder if they stopped spraying because the chemtrails would make it even hotter, and as satanic as our overlords are, they even has a pain threshold for high heat. That makes me think they are definitely weather modification tools.

Anyone else notice less chemtrails in their area?

[po boy]

I have not seen any lately, it has been raining quite a bit so that may have slowed it down.

Also budgets being tight and aviation costing lots of money could also be a factor.

[palani]

Lizards love the heat.

[ximmy]

They are a cover (shield) against spy satellites... TPTB are concerned with making money & retaining power... weather modification is not a concern, nor are health issues (chemtrail fallout).

[Santa]

They are a cover (shield) against spy satellites... TPTB are concerned with making money & retaining power... weather modification is not a concern, nor are health issues (chemtrail fallout).Weather modification is a huge concern, for whoever controls
weather controls the earth. Bwahahahahaha...

[jimswift]

It also could be used for profit from nations.

'...so your having a drought and crops are dying huh? care to give me a few million in debt for a rain shower? okay, expect delivery by the end of the week...'

[freespirit]

i have always felt that chemtrails were used to increase the conductivity of the atmosphere to enhance communications, with the side effect of affecting the weather. i have noticed in regards to the weather, the severity and magnitude of thunderstorms has increased over the last few years (at least in my area.) the rain is different also, the drops being larger and the amounts greater in a shorter period of time. the problem with this type of serious downpour is that the majority of the water runs off the land, causes more erosion and doesn't saturate the ground in the same manner as a lighter, more extended rainfall.

on the communications side, it seems the range of cellular coverage has increased, despite the fact that there have been very few new towers erected. these two observations are what have led me to this conclusion.

[Santa]

The USAF has had a Program in place since 95 who's goal is to
"Own The Weather" by 2025.
I don't see any financial cutbacks occurring in the military,
especially in advanced weapons RanD...
I can't say how far along they are, but they're definitely working on owning the weather worldwide.



WEATHER AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER: OWNING THE WEATHER IN 2025
MILITARY APPLICATIONS OF WEATHER MODIFICATION

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/af2025.gif
In 2025 US aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to warfighting applications. Such a capability offers the warfighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this paper is to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather modification system to achieve military objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road map.
A high risk/high reward endeavor, weather modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns, to complete dominance of global communications and counter-space control, weather modification offers the warfighter a wide range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary.
Technology advancements in five major areas are necessary for an integrated weather modification capability: (1) advanced nonlinear modeling techniques, (2) computational capability, (3) information gathering and transmission, (4) a global sensor array, and (5) weather intervention techniques. Some intervention tools exist today and others may be developed and refined in the future.
Current technologies which will mature over the next thirty years will offer anyone who has the necessary resources the ability to modify weather patterns and their corresponding effects, at least on the local scale. Current demographic, economic, and environmental trends (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59281/pg1#) will create global stresses that provide the impetus necessary for many countries or groups to turn this weather modification ability into a capability. In the US, weather modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications. Our government will pursue such a policy, depending on its interests, at various levels. These levels could include: unilateral actions (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59281/pg1#), participation in a security framework such as NATO, membership in an international organization such as the UN, or participation in a coalition. Assuming that in 2025 our national security strategy includes weather modification, its use in our national military strategy will naturally follow. Besides the significant benefits (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59281/pg1#) an operational capability would provide, another motivation to pursue weather modification is to deter and counter potential adversaries.
In this paper we show that appropriate application of weather modification can provide battlespace dominance to a degree never before imagined. In the future, such operations will enhance air and space superiority and provide new options for battlespace shaping and battlespace awareness. "The technology (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59281/pg1#) is there, waiting for us to pull it all together;" in 2025 we can "Own the Weather."
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59281/pg1

[Santa]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59283/pg1

These are just possible scenarios, but they give you the drift.



Scenario: Imagine that in 2025 the US is fighting a rich, but now consolidated, politically powerful drug cartel in South America. The cartel has purchased hundreds of Russian-and Chinese-built fighters that have successfully thwarted our attempts to attack their production facilities. With their local numerical superiority and interior lines, the cartel is launching more than 10 aircraft for every one of ours. In addition, the cartel is using the French system probatoire d' observation de la terre (SPOT) positioning and tracking imagery systems, which in 2025 are capable of transmitting near-real (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59283/pg1#)-time, multispectral imagery with 1 meter resolution. The US wishes to engage the enemy on an uneven playing field in order to exploit the full potential of our aircraft and munitions.
Meteorological analysis reveals that equatorial South America typically has afternoon thunderstorms (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59283/pg1#) on a daily basis throughout the year. Our intelligence has confirmed that cartel pilots are reluctant to fly in or near thunderstorms. Therefore, our weather force support element (WFSE), which is a part of the commander in chief's (CINC) air operations center (AOC), is tasked to forecast storm paths and trigger or intensify thunderstorm cells over critical target areas that the enemy must defend with their aircraft. Since our aircraft in 2025 have all-weather capability, the thunderstorm threat is minimal to our forces, and we can effectively and decisively control the sky over the target.
The WFSE has the necessary sensor and communication (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59283/pg1#) capabilities to observe, detect, and act on weather-modification requirements to support US military objectives. These capabilities are part of an advanced battle area system that supports the war-fighting CINC. In our scenario, the CINC tasks the WFSE to conduct storm intensification and concealment operations. The WFSE models the atmospheric conditions to forecast, with 90 percent confidence, the likelihood of successful modification using airborne cloud generation and seeding.
In 2025, uninhabited aerospace vehicles (UAV) are routinely used for weather-modification operations. By cross-referencing desired attack times with wind and thunderstorm forecasts and the SPOT satellite's (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59283/pg1#) projected orbit, the WFSE generates mission profiles for each UAV. The WFSE guides each UAV using near-real-time information from a networked sensor array.
Prior to the attack, which is coordinated with forecasted weather conditions, the UAVs begin cloud generation and seeding operations. UAVs disperse a cirrus shield to deny enemy visual and infrared (IR) surveillance. Simultaneously, microwave heaters create localized scintillation to disrupt active sensing via synthetic aperture radar (SAR) systems such as the commercially available Canadian search and rescue satellite-aided tracking (SARSAT) that will be widely available in 2025. Other cloud seeding operations cause a developing thunderstorm to intensify over the target, severely limiting the enemy's capability to defend. The WFSE monitors the entire operation in real-time and notes the successful completion of another very important but routine weather-modification mission.
This scenario may seem far-fetched, but by 2025 it is within the realm of possibility. The next chapter explores the reasons for weather-modification, defines the scope, and examines trends that will make it possible in the next 30 years.

[ximmy]

Weather modification is a huge concern, for whoever controls
weather controls the earth. Bwahahahahaha...

yes, of course... I forgot the prime directive...

"Give me control of a nation's [weather] and I care not who makes it's laws"
::)

[Santa]

yes, of course... I forgot the prime directive...

"Give me control of a nation's [weather] and I care not who makes it's laws"
::)

It's not the gold per se, it's what you can buy with it that counts. ::)

[mick silver]

i have not seen mone in the last few weeks . and it been hotter then hell and no rain . i did notice when there were trails we were getting alot of rain

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I have not seen a "horizon to horizon" chemtrail over Los Angeles since May 21, 2011.

Previous to that, they were seen weekly - for years.

[Joe King]

Personally speaking, I tend to think it has more to do with atmospheric conditions than anything else. The planes are all still up there, but hotter drier air won't produce long trails.
Wait 'til there's a change in the weather and I'll bet you'll start seeing them again.

[freespirit]

I have not seen a "horizon to horizon" chemtrail over Los Angeles since May 21, 2011.

Previous to that, they were seen weekly - for years.


i have personally seen three this year so far. none in the last 30 days.

[PatColo]

I was in the SF bay area all last year, and I recall they didn't spray during Summer at all. I believe it was the official Summer beginning 6/21 that the spraying stopped completely, then the official Fall beginning 9/21 that they resumed their semi-daily spraying. The difference in daily sky appearance was quite stark.


Personally speaking, I tend to think it has more to do with atmospheric conditions than anything else. The planes are all still up there, but hotter drier air won't produce long trails.
Wait 'til there's a change in the weather and I'll bet you'll start seeing them again.

No JoeK, & you insult the intelligence of honest GSUSers by peddling the official bs line about how "they're just con-trails"; take it over to GIM2.gov. O0

Thread: What in the World Are They Spraying? (Watch Here) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?37745-What-in-the-World-Are-They-Spraying-%28Watch-Here%29)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA

[Awoke]

My wife stopped paying attention to the conspiracy because everytime she looked at something I could point out how it had been touched by the conspirators. (Nothing goes untouched)

One day last month they were spraying our area quite heavily, and she could see the powder in the air. It was like a glittery mist that you could only see if you looked past it and used your peripheral vision to identify it, but once she could see the particles in the air she totally freaked out and made sure I could see it too.

Since then she is paying attention to the skies and chemtrail spraying.

As fas as my own speculation on what chemtrails are used for, besides spreading sicknesses like Morgellons and more, see post #8 in this thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?25455-Chemtrails).

[mick silver]

i like it when you see the planes make a big ass loop and come back . out in the country you a see the planes doing this . and within a day we get hard rain and alot of it . last two weeks i have seen no trails and no rain

[palani]

Couple of years ago a friend coated his dock with soy oil (good wood treatment for weathered wood). He came out several days later to find crystals of some substance sticking to the surface of the oiled wood. He was convinced these crystals came from chem trails.

[Joe King]

I was in the SF bay area all last year, and I recall they didn't spray during Summer at all. I believe it was the official Summer beginning 6/21 that the spraying stopped completely, then the official Fall beginning 9/21 that they resumed their semi-daily spraying. The difference in daily sky appearance was quite stark.


BTW, that supports my contention that atmospheric conditions in the Summer are the difference in what you see. If it were chemicals being sprayed, they'd be visible same as any other time of year.
....but not so if it's just jet fuel exhaust and water vapor.


Again, this is but my opinion. Please don't hate me for it, ok? I don't hate you for yours.

[Large Sarge]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43931226/ns/business-us_business/


I wonder if this is where they get all the aluminum for chemtrails, this article might be a hoax...

I always wondered how you pull off that much metal from the commodity market, spray it all over the planet, and not have any receipts, deliveries, etc

My guess is at least part of the chemtrail operation is right here, Goldman sachs is Rothschild

[Joe King]

What I'd like to see done is for someone who thinks it isn't just contrails to get an airplane and go get a sample of whatever it is, and have it tested to see just what it is.

Endless speculation is but a path to knowwhere.

[Horn]

What I'd like to see done is for someone who thinks it isn't just contrails to get an airplane and go get a sample of whatever it is, and have it tested to see just what it is.

Endless speculation is but a path to knowwhere.

Its already been done, the test results have been returned positive for barium.

http://www.google.com/search?q=US+admits+chemtrails&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#pq=us%20admits%20chemtrails&hl=en&cp=25&gs_id=2r&xhr=t&q=barium+testing+chemtrails&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=tYj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=barium+testing+chemtrails&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=661c0b1152c259b4&biw=1280&bih=879 (http://www.google.com/search?q=barium+testing+chemtrails&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

And admitted to be .gov

http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&cp=20&gs_id=9&xhr=t&q=US+admits+chemtrails&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&site=webhp&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=US+admits+chemtrails&aq=0&aqi=g1&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=661c0b1152c259b4&biw=1280&bih=879 (http://www.google.com/search?q=US+admits+chemtrails&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

[Joe King]

The first link is about ground-level testing.
I'm talking about getting in an airplane, flying up into whatever it is and actually taking a sample of the trail itself.

With ground-level testing of the air, there is no way to conclusively prove it's source.


As for the second link, that doesn't say they are spraying poison intended to harm people. It says it's possible to increase cloud cover in order to reflect sunlight back into space.
...and yea, I agree that it's possible for contrails to grow into what looks like clouds....but they stay up there, not fall to the surface.


Here's a question: If these really are poison trails that decend to Earth, why do they stay up there? I've never seen one decending through the atmosphere to the surface.
No, they just stay up there and drift off in the direction the wind is blowing.

[Horn]

If these really are poison trails that decend to Earth, why do they stay up there?

Why do contrails vanish?

How old are you, Joe?

I was 8 in 1977, this is all I saw up until about the early 90's.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjhDfuhMKqM

Spent fuel doesn't stay there and blow around unless its highly toxic and not being burnt properly.

Do some browsing here for more answers.

http://igbp.sv.internetborder.se/

552553

International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme (IGBP) is a research programme that studies the phenomenon of global change.
The International Council of Scientific Unions, a coordinating body of national science organizations, launched IGBP in 1986. It looks at the total Earth system, the changes that are occurring, and the manner in which changes are influenced by human actions.

IGBP aims to describe and understand how the physical, chemical and biological processes regulate the Earth system. It also seeks to increase knowledge of how humans are influencing the global processes, such as the carbon cycle, nitrogen cycle, sulfur cycle, water cycle and phosphorus cycle. "It delivers scientific knowledge to help human societies develop in harmony with Earth's environment."

IGBP research is organised around six projects representing the Earth system - land, atmosphere, ocean and where they meet (land-atmosphere, land-ocean. atmosphere-ocean) and two further projects looking at the Earth system as a whole: Past Global Changes (PAGES) which looks at palaeoclimate, and the Analyis, Integration and Modelling of the Earth System (AIMES), which helps set the agenda for Earth system models. Plus four joint projects - carbon, water, human health and food security - with the other three international global change programmes.


In 2004, IGBP published a landmark synthesis, Global Change and the Earth System (Steffen et al). The synthesis stated that humanity was now the main driver of change at the planetary scale and that Earth is now operating in a “no analogue” state. Measurements of Earth system processes, past and present, have led to the conclusion that the planet has moved well outside the range of natural variability in the last half million years at least.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Geosphere-Biosphere_Programme

[Joe King]

Even if they are spraying something designed to increase cloud cover, where does the poison part come in?
...and why do these trails never decend, but rather stay up there to drift in the wind?

To adequately discern what is going on, samples of the trails themselves must first be taken. That's the only way for any of us here to know for sure what is in them.

After doing that, we can easily find out if whatever it is, is harmful to plants/animals/people.

Remember, I'm not saying that the gov isn't up to something when it comes to this stuff, but rather that the "proof" as to what it really is, is sorely lacking.
I don't like taking other peoples speculation as fact.

[Horn]

To adequately discern what is going on, samples of the trails themselves must first be taken. That's the only way for any of us here to know for sure what is in them..

About as thick as a sack of nails.

Its an aerosol, it floats for awhile. Its the whole basis of the program.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK62tfoCmuQ

[Joe King]

So at what point does it fall to the surface?

You posted a link of ground-level air testing that supposedly proves what is 30,000' up in the sky. What I'm asking is, if the stuff you can see up in the sky is poison, at what point does the poisons fall out of the "trail"?

If the point is to spray poison, why mix it with stuff that suspends it at 30,000' instead of just spraying it at lower levels?

What I see with a lot of chemtrail theorys is that people are seeing something they don't fully understand and then speculating as to what it might be.....and then running with it as fact.

Like I said, let's get a sample of a trail while it's up there and then we can actually have something solid to go on in order to have a discussion about it.
Until then, it's all opinion. Both yours as well as mine.
Remember, I already stated that mine is but an opinion. It is you who are putting your theory forward as fact. Therefore it is yours to prove.

[Horn]

Therefore it is yours to prove.

I just did.

You still didn't say how old you are.

[vacuum]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43931226/ns/business-us_business/


I wonder if this is where they get all the aluminum for chemtrails, this article might be a hoax...

I always wondered how you pull off that much metal from the commodity market, spray it all over the planet, and not have any receipts, deliveries, etc

My guess is at least part of the chemtrail operation is right here, Goldman sachs is Rothschild

Great observation LS.

[Joe King]

I just did.

Where are the test results from samples taken at altitude? Do you have any? I only saw a link to ground-level air testing.


You still didn't say how old you are.Older than you.

[mick silver]

joe how would you know how old he is ?

[Joe King]

joe how would you know how old he is ?
Do you not read? He said he was 8 in 1977

Edited to add: Then I used something called "arithmetic" to discern if I was older or younger than him. lol

[mick silver]

nope joe i didnt i have every body on my Ignore list but you

[Joe King]

Wow! You really shouldn't have anyone on ignore, Mick.

You'd miss too much.

[slvrbugjim]

Personally speaking, I tend to think it has more to do with atmospheric conditions than anything else. The planes are all still up there, but hotter drier air won't produce long trails.
Wait 'til there's a change in the weather and I'll bet you'll start seeing them again.

Classic Gov Op Robot speak, very very funny

[Joe King]

Classic Gov Op Robot speak, very very funny

I said it was my opinion. At least I'm open minded enough to say that it's an opinion as opposed to attacking anyone who thinks differently.
....and several people here stated they hadn't seen any since Summer started. All I did was to offer that perhaps that is because of hotter weather.


So, is this the point you start using profanity and insults Jim? lol

[Bigjon]

We have chemtrails drifting by every day.

some people can't see them, some people can't see their dollar slipping out of their fingers, some people are totally unaware...

[slvrbugjim]

I said it was my opinion. At least I'm open minded enough to say that it's an opinion as opposed to attacking anyone who thinks differently.
....and several people here stated they hadn't seen any since Summer started. All I did was to offer that perhaps that is because of hotter weather.


So, is this the point you start using profanity and insults Jim? lol

That was not profanity and if you take that as an insult I will take your response as a complement

[Joe King]

Calling someone an "ignorant dumbass 18 year old stupid ass" isn't an insult?

Since when? It's certainly not good grammar.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52050-Stop-It!!-An-Open-Letter-to-Speaker-John-Boehner-From-Judge-Andrew-P.-Napolitano&p=435600#post435600

[slvrbugjim]

Hey Joe I will apologize for those very childish statements I made to you some time back. One should not post while drinking too much wine I would say. So yes sorry for those remarks.

[ximmy]

Calling someone an "ignorant dumbass 18 year old stupid ass" isn't an insult?

Since when? It's certainly not good grammar.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52050-Stop-It!!-An-Open-Letter-to-Speaker-John-Boehner-From-Judge-Andrew-P.-Napolitano&p=435600#post435600

http://www.muddyclay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/trololo_man.jpg

[Joe King]

Ok. I accept your apology.

Just don't do me a favor in the future, ok?


When you choose to enter a discussion, please don't get in so far and then go off the deep end, ok? I mean, who do you think you are, the General of Darkness or something? lol

I halfway expect that from him. I didn't expect it from you. ;)


As for the Constitution thing, I was having a hard time understanding how you came to the conclusion that the federal reserve is compatible with the Constitution as written, when it was written. ie in the way it was originally intended.
....and I can honestly say that I've never once said I support the feds existence at all. Where did you ever get the idea that I did?

Is it because I said that IMO any taxes levied by the fed gov on the people should be apportioned so that everyone would pay the exact same $ amount? That means you, me, Bill Gates and everyone else in between pays the same exact dollar amount? For example, $50?

[ximmy]

Ok. I accept your apology.


http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/11/18/6cb387d5-2446-485e-acc0-4210ba474fb9.jpg

[iOWNme]

There has been weather modification going on since at least the 40's and 50's using radar to effect clouds, etc. It seems a few here need a reality check:

US Weather Patent (http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3564253.PN.&OS=PN/3564253&RS=PN/3564253) - 1967

Project StormFury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Stormfury) - 1962

Environmental Modification Convention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention) - UN Treaty 1977

[iOWNme]

Personally speaking, I tend to think it has more to do with atmospheric conditions than anything else. The planes are all still up there, but hotter drier air won't produce long trails.
Wait 'til there's a change in the weather and I'll bet you'll start seeing them again.


How do things like Barium and Strontium (Aluminum) find their way onto the tops of mountains? In many different countries, on many different continents. Including America, France, Australia......?

[Joe King]

How do things like Barium and Strontium (Aluminum) find their way onto the tops of mountains? In many different countries, on many different continents. Including America, France, Australia......?
How does any pollution get anywhere?
....and I didn't say I doubted that cloud seeding or other weather activities aren't going on, but rather that the trails people see are not sprayed poisons/chemicals meant to kill people. Or at least there's no proof of that. Just speculation.

[iOWNme]

How does any pollution get anywhere?
....and I didn't say I doubted that could seeding or other weather activities aren't going on, but rather that the trails people see are not sprayed poisons/chemicals meant to kill people.

Pollution?

These are NANO particles of Barium and Strontium. These arent just floating around, they are man made and HIGHLY technological. Do you think the weaponized Anthrax was made in a bucket in a cave?

[mick silver]

Secret Agent Man lyrics

There's a man who leads a life of danger.
To everyone he meets he stays a stranger.
With every move he makes, another chance he takes.
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow.

Secret agent man
Secret agent man
They've given you a number,
and taken away your name.

Beware of pretty faces that you find.
A pretty face can hide an evil mind.
Oh, be careful what you say. You'll give yourself away.
Odds are you won't live to see tomorrow.

Secret agent man
Secret agent man
(From: http://www.elyrics.net/read/j/johnny-rivers-lyrics/secret-agent-man-lyrics.html)
They've given you a number,
and taken away your name.

(guitar solo)

Secret agent man
Secret agent man
They've given you a number,
and taken away your name.

Swingin' on the Riviera, one day
and then layin' in the Bombay alley next day.
Oh no, you let the wrong words slip while kissing persuasive lips.
The odds are you won't live to see tomorrow.

Secret agent man
Secret agent man
They've given you a number,
and taken away your name.

Secret agent man .......................... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov--IYgKJ1s&feature=related

[Horn]

Ximmy, you are mistaking trolling for the simple ability to add 1+1.

[ximmy]

Ximmy, you are mistaking trolling for the simple ability to add 1+1.

No matter how it adds up... he still believes his dish equal to yours...

poor joe king...
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s222/chrisneros/order-fail.jpg

[Joe King]

Pollution?

These are NANO particles of Barium and Strontium. These arent just floating around, they are man made and HIGHLY technological.
Have you sampled a trail in the air and collected said particles?
As far as those nanoparticles go, it seems those two substances have some type of industrial uses. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=nanoparticles+Barium+Strontium&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

As example, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1532351

Magnetic recording media requires good particle dispersion, a smooth surface, and small interparticle interaction to make an adequate signal-to-noise ratio (SNR). Well dispersed 50-60 nm sized spherical barium-strontium ferrite (S-Ba/Sr-Fe) nanoparticles were successfully prepared with 40 nm sized hematite precursor particles and BaCO3/SrCO3 colloid. The coercivity and saturation magnetizations of S-Ba/Sr-Fe nano-particles were 1568 Oe and 48.6 emu/g, respectively. In order to evaluate magnetic interaction, magnetic tape was prepared using an Eiger mill with binder and organic solvent. ΔM measurement showed the S-Ba/Sr-Fe nanoparticles in the tape had negative magnetic particle-to-particle interaction.






Do you think the weaponized Anthrax was made in a bucket in a cave?I don't for sure, where it came from. Same as everyone else.
It could have come from a US Military weapons lab. Or not.

[osoab]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43931226/ns/business-us_business/


I wonder if this is where they get all the aluminum for chemtrails, this article might be a hoax...

I always wondered how you pull off that much metal from the commodity market, spray it all over the planet, and not have any receipts, deliveries, etc

My guess is at least part of the chemtrail operation is right here, Goldman sachs is Rothschild


Great observation LS.

I don't think so, maybe now, but not in the past. You would have to dig through the LBMA numbers, or bought by shell companies directly from miners that were already in the pocket.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Studies have been done on trail deposits, samples collected, studies have been peer reviewed, all covered in the documentary "What in the world are they spraying?" Results: 5,000% - 50,000% increase of levels of aluminum, barium, strontium in remote mountain locations in a sample period of five years.


In previous summers, the heat has never stopped trails from appearing daily. While true that atmospheric conditions can affect their ability to appear, the change has been prolonged, multiple months, and does not coincide with data from previous years. Something is different right now.

[osoab]

Studies have been done on trail deposits, samples collected, studies have been peer reviewed, all covered in the documentary "What in the world are they spraying?"

That ain't good enough for Joe. He wants you to fly your plane so he can get samples. Then you have to pay to have the samples tested.




Took out the extra quotes.

[Joe King]

Of course they should pay. After all, they are ones making the assertions about it being poison. That means the burden to prove it is on them, not on me to disprove their theory.
...and I have watched "what in the World are they spraying" and found it has holes in it. At least IMO, anyways.

[osoab]

Of course they should pay. After all, they are ones making the assertions about it being poison. That means the burden to prove it is on them, not on me to disprove their theory.
...and I have watched "what in the World are they spraying" and found it has holes in it. At least IMO, anyways.

Explain the holes.

[PatColo]

JoeK, as to "summer weather" being the reason for the appearance, or lack thereof, of chemtrails: SF bay area weather is mild spring through fall. What I observed last summer there, was not only complete absence of chemtrails for the exact summer months, but also a lack of any air traffic (read: chemtrail-spewing military tankers) zig-zagging every which way outside of the known civilian flight routes around the bay area.


The first link is about ground-level testing.
I'm talking about getting in an airplane, flying up into whatever it is and actually taking a sample of the trail itself.

With ground-level testing of the air, there is no way to conclusively prove it's source.

As to "just getting in a plane & flying up (~40K feet elevation) and grabbing chemtrail samples", this is not practical for civilians in this controlled/restricted airspace. Clif Carnicom addresses this issue beginning about 11:00 in the video interview below.

Another comprehensive article from Feb '11, relies heavily on Clif Carnicom's research. I haven't verified that Carnicom made the bold statements this author attributes to him, re what chemtrails are, and their multiple purposes- off hand it sounds out of character for Carnicom to make such "absolute" statements, but I'd have to review all the sources the author points to, including the author's (Alfred Webre) 1 hour interview which is posted on youtube.


Expert: Chemtrails are global covert operation for total control, detecting UFOs (http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/expert-chemtrails-are-global-covert-operation-for-total-control-detecting-ufos)




Add a comment (http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/expert-chemtrails-are-global-covert-operation-for-total-control-detecting-ufos#comments)

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/profile_small/hash/8c/cb/8ccb490a31259876e0123212ab0e95c9.411.jpg (http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/alfred-lambremont-webre) Alfred Lambremont Webre (http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/alfred-lambremont-webre)

, Seattle Exopolitics Examiner
February 28, 2011

NOTE: This is Part 1 of a 3-part article on the war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide now talking place as a result of the covert global operation of spraying aerosols into the Earth’s atmosphere, also known as “chemtrails”.

Read Part 2:
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/chemtrails-are-global-covert-operation-for-total-control-detecting-ufos-part-2

Part 3:
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/chemtrails-are-global-covert-operation-for-total-control-detecting-ufos-part-3

Clifford E. Carnicom (http://www.carnicom.com/bio2010-1.htm), an acknowledged expert since 1999 on the global covert spraying of aerosols into the atmosphere operation (also known as “Chemtrails”), stated in an exclusive ExopoliticsTV interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre released March 1, 2011 that the covert aerosol-spraying operation had transformed the Earth’s atmosphere into a plasma for carrying out weaponized applications such as bio-warfare (including Morgellons disease), electromagnetic operations such as HAARP, weather warfare, tectonic (earthquake) warfare, mind control, advanced surveillance technology, and detection of advanced propulsion technology including UFOs.

The over-all purpose of this covert operation of spraying aerosols into the atmosphere and converting it into plasma was to achieve “absolute control” over the global human population. This total control is accomplished using the combined effects of seven weapons-like applications that use the plasma-like atmosphere with weaponized effects on the environment, the biosphere and the human population.

Although Mr. Carnicom prefers to use the term “aerosols”, the global covert operation spraying of aerosols into the atmosphere is also known as the “chemtrails program” (http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html).

In a Jan. 10, 2011 assessment of the current impact of the global aerosol-spraying program, Mr. Carnicom stated, “The vitality and viability of human existence and life on this planet, as it has been known to exist, is under threat.”

A private citizen who has pursued research of the covert aerosol spraying program since 1999, Mr. Carnicom (http://www.carnicominstitute.org/carnbio.html) was the Defense Mapping Agency Aerospace Center Employee of the Year, Supervisor of the Year, and he received the Geodetic Sciences Departmental Award for outstanding technical, managerial, and cost effective performance. His Bachelor of Science Cum Laude degree was attained in the field of Surveying and Photogrammetry from the Civil Engineering Department at California State University at Fresno, California. His post-graduate studies were conducted at The Ohio State University and Washington University. He also possesses an Associate of Sciences degree and a Forest Engineering vocational degree from College of the Redwoods in Eureka, California. His education encompasses a wide variety of disciplines, including geodetic science, advanced mathematics, engineering, statistics, physical sciences, computer science and the life sciences.

View ExopoliticsTV interview with Clifford E. Carnicom

Examiner readers can view the exclusive March 1, 2011 interview with Clifford E. Carnicom and Alfred Lambremont Webre embedded in the article above or at the URL below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTVpsmBNvL8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTVpsmBNvL8

Seven weapons applications of sprayed aerosols
In the ExopoliticsTV interview, Mr. Carnicom details seven weapons applications of the covert global sprayed aerosols program that are being used to carry out over-all the goal of “absolute control” over the global human population.

These seven weapons applications of the sprayed aerosols are:

1. Biological operations, including the use of apparent bio-warfare, such as Morgellons disease, in the sprayed aerosols, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/romefra.htm) and the Geneva conventions (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/CONVPRES?OpenView).

2. Military Operations, such as advanced radar applications, anti-missile Star Wars applications.

3. Electromagnetic Operations, including HAARP directed energy scalar weapons and mind control weapons applications, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

4. Environmental modification and weather wars. Mr. Carnicom stated he has concluded that the covert aerosol-spraying program has transformed the atmosphere of the planet into plasma capable of sustaining weaponized applications since its acceleration in 1999. This constitutes a violation of the 1978 Treaty against Modification of the Environment (http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/enmod/text/environ2.htm).

5. Geophysical operations, including tectonic (earthquake) warfare, constituting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and the Geneva conventions.

6. An advanced surveillance system capable of covert surveillance of the entire human population.

7. Detection of exotic propulsion systems, including detection of off-planet or interdimensional UFOs.

State of the impact of the aerosol program: 1999-2011

... MORE (http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/expert-chemtrails-are-global-covert-operation-for-total-control-detecting-ufos)

[PatColo]

Does JoeK's shtick here re chemtrails remind anyone else of the old Shill-A-Thon's shtick @ GIM1 re 9/11 ?

"Where's the det cord?! Show me the det cord, or you got nothing!!"

You could lay proof after proof of WTC CD & 9/11 inside job before them, and they "still couldn't see it!" LOL ;)

The time of the chemtrail-aware is better spent on more productive endeavors than "debating" such "personalities"...8)

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Of course they should pay. After all, they are ones making the assertions about it being poison. That means the burden to prove it is on them, not on me to disprove their theory.
...and I have watched "what in the World are they spraying" and found it has holes in it. At least IMO, anyways.



So you take issue with the soil samples which show a 49,000% increase of certain in the soil?

Sorry you didn't like the documentary. Please address why you feel that the labratory results are B.S.? Remember that they've been taking Mt. Shasta soil samples for decades and have only noticed this increase recently.

[Joe King]

Does JoeK's shtick here re chemtrails remind anyone else of the old Shill-A-Thon's shtick @ GIM1 re 9/11 ?

"Where's the det cord?! Show me the det cord, or you got nothing!!"

You could lay proof after proof of WTC CD & 9/11 inside job before them, and they "still couldn't see it!" LOL ;)

The time of the chemtrail-aware is better spent on more productive endeavors than "debating" such "personalities"...8)


How did we get on 9/11?
....but I'll probably get the blame for changing the subject now. lol

[Joe King]

So you take issue with the soil samples which show a 49,000% increase of certain in the soil?

Sorry you didn't like the documentary. Please address why you feel that the labratory results are B.S.? Remember that they've been taking Mt. Shasta soil samples for decades and have only noticed this increase recently.I'm not saying the soil doesn't have stuff in it, but rather that it doesn't show it was caused by the "chem"trails.

As I said in my first post in this thread, it was just my personal opinion that I posted.
Although I don't doubt the gov has capability to spray something in the air, I just don't think it's poison meant to kill people because why would the people implimenting the program not care about their own families health or even their own?

Trying to make clouds to reflect Sunshine? Perhaps. Poison? No way.

[keehah]

Although I don't doubt the gov has capability to spray something in the air, I just don't think it's poison meant to kill people because why would the people implimenting the program not care about their own families health or even their own?

Trying to make clouds to reflect Sunshine? Perhaps. Poison? No way.

I'd like to know what metal they are using for lubricant in the new Jet fuel mixes commercial airlines use. The small guys still use leaded gas I think. Alumium and other small metals particles or 'foils' are used for over the horizon military communications other experimental crap (such as weather modification of course) and probably HAARP type games in the lower atmosphere.

Poison? Yes way Joe. Now poison may not be the reason it was chosen, it may be just for long engine life. There are unknown unkowns when such decisions are made. Just like DU all over the Middle East and many NATO bases was just about a better munition. Just like Bisphenol A was about longer shelf live of multinational foods. Just like all the brain dissolving drugs was about artery clearing. Just like....

'Poison' of a sort still can be the net result of all the world's 'regular' or unaviodable contrails. It cannot be ruled out that this alone is done all over the world enough to fuck up the world's weather and change atmospheric charge and temperature.

And don't forget all the admitted silver up there.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Cessna_210_Hagelflieger_Detail.jpg/220px-Cessna_210_Hagelflieger_Detail.jpg
Cessna 210 equipped with a silver iodide generator for cloud seeding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver

[Joe King]

If you're going to look at it that way, then leaded gas is a poison too.


The small guys still use leaded gas I think.

[keehah]

I'm an inclusive guy. When I say poisoning, I include subclinical effects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning

Humans have been mining and using this heavy metal for thousands of years, poisoning themselves in the process. Although lead poisoning is one of the oldest known work and environmental hazards, the modern understanding of the small amount of lead necessary to cause harm did not come about until the latter half of the 20th century. No safe threshold for lead exposure has been discovered—that is, there is no known amount of lead that is too small to cause the body harm.

Lead interferes with a variety of body processes and is toxic to many organs and tissues including the heart, bones, intestines, kidneys, and reproductive and nervous systems. It interferes with the development of the nervous system and is therefore particularly toxic to children, causing potentially permanent learning and behavior disorders.
http://www.edwardfuels.on.ca/aviationfuelsandlubes.php

To avoid confusion and to minimise errors in handling aviation gasoline, it is common practice to designate the grade by just the lean mixture performance, i.e Avgas 100/130 becomes Avgas 100.

More recently, an additional grade was introduced to allow one fuel to be used in engines originally designed for grades with lower lead contents: this grade is called Avgas 100LL, the LL standing for 'low lead'.
http://asm.confex.com/asm/aero06/techprogram/paper_13213.htm

Jet fuel, designed primarily to burn, is not commonly thought of as a good lubricant, yet many existing and emerging aerospace propulsion system component designs rely on the fuel to lubricate things such as rolling element bearings.

JET A-1
Jet A-1 is a kerosine grade of fuel suitable for most turbine engined aircraft. It is produced to a stringent internationally agreed standard, has a flash point above 38ºC (100ºF) and a freeze point maximum of -47ºC. Jet A-1 is the usual fuel for turbines in Canada. Jet A-1 meets the latest version requirements of Canadian Standard CAN/CGSB-3.23 Aviation Turbine Fuel, Kerosine Type, Jet A-1 Grade. It also meets British specification DEF STAN 91-91, ASTM specification D1655 and IATA Guidance Material (Kerosine Type), NATO Code F-35.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

I'm not saying the soil doesn't have stuff in it, but rather that it doesn't show it was caused by the "chem"trails.

As I said in my first post in this thread, it was just my personal opinion that I posted.
Although I don't doubt the gov has capability to spray something in the air, I just don't think it's poison meant to kill people because why would the people implimenting the program not care about their own families health or even their own?

Trying to make clouds to reflect Sunshine? Perhaps. Poison? No way.

Heh. I haven't yet stated my opinion of the supposed goal of the chemtrail program. Just that it exists. But, you're right. Poison does not make sense.

Weather modulation makes sense. (to me)

A conductive antenna for HAARP frequencies makes sense.

Mood modification isn't beyond the realm of possibilities...


Poison is passe, and there are easier ways to accomplish the same goal.

[Joe King]

Heh. I haven't yet stated my opinion of the supposed goal of the chemtrail program. Just that it exists. But, you're right. Poison does not make sense.

Weather modulation makes sense. (to me) Well, they seeded clouds decades ago, so who knows.


A conductive antenna for HAARP frequencies makes sense.I could see our gov doing something like that. They already dump chaff into the air.


Mood modification isn't beyond the realm of possibilities...I'd need to see some good evidence on this one, if for no other reason than the dilution factor of the atmosphere.



Poison is passe, and there are easier ways to accomplish the same goal.Exactly. It'd be stupid to spray stuff at 30,000'+ if you wanted it to effect people on the ground. {morgellons etc etc} If I was gonna spray poison on people, I would do it at night when right over peoples houses. lol

Good thing I don't wanna do that. lol

[vacuum]

I think both food modification and poison makes sense. I think lowering the average consciousness of the population is a goal, and it is optimal if they have deteriorated health because healthy bodies and sharp minds are a danger to the status quo. However, feeling like crap every day keeps people in a fog....they don't have that moment of clear perception or inspiration that they might otherwise have had. They don't notice the subtle details around them. Their senses aren't sharp.

[osoab]

Poison is passe, and there are easier ways to accomplish the same goal.

Not if the "poison" causes chronic diseases. Say something that is debilitating, but you still live for 40 years and pony up big bills to the medical establishment. I agree, that it is not the main reasoning behind the trails, but it does have a nice side effect for TPTB.

[Horn]

but it does have a nice side effect for TPTB.

They didn't get where they are by not being able to weigh future cost benefit, I imagine self sacrifice is high on the list.

What's next, monthly solar payments?

[PatColo]

The first link is about ground-level testing.
I'm talking about getting in an airplane, flying up into whatever it is and actually taking a sample of the trail itself.

With ground-level testing of the air, there is no way to conclusively prove it's source.

As to "just getting in a plane & flying up (~40K feet elevation) and grabbing chemtrail samples", this is not practical for civilians in this controlled/restricted airspace. Clif Carnicom addresses this issue beginning about 11:00 in the video interview below.

[...]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTVpsmBNvL8


Incidentally JoeK, your suggestion that those concerned with the aerosol-spraying/chemtrails op just get in a plane, fly up there and grab a sample, amounts to rule #19 of the Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556), demand impossible proofs.


19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

[PatColo]

...and I have watched "what in the World are they spraying" and found it has holes in it. At least IMO, anyways.

and you never did answer the question of what these "holes" you claim to have found in the documentary were, specifically.

Could you cite minute-marks in the video where you found these "holes" in the information presented, and of course identify exactly what you find incorrect/incomplete about that information?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA&feature=player_embedded


... just so all readers can rest assured that you're not deploying rule #9 of the Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation (http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050116064744556), Play Dumb.


9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

[Awoke]

You are a machine, PatColo.

Shill-destroying machine.

[Joe King]

At 1:20 they show the trails drifting off at 30,000+', not decending to the ground.

At 1:30 the lady declares that contrails always dissipate quickly. The fact is, how long they last depends upon atmospheric conditions.

At 2:00 when they talk about the conference, it doesn't prove anything. It's all speculation as to what they are saying.

At 3:20 they say chemtrails are cited as proof on the internet, but they aren't "proof" as no one can tell me what's really in them. Proof requires a thing called evidence.

At 3:30 video of Parliment shows yet another person giving his opinion as opposed to scientific proof. He also says "they" spray population centers", but again, these trails drift away at 30,000+' rather than descending down through the atmosphere and onto the ground in the population centers mentioned. Seems a strange way to poison those "centers" in a quest to reduce the population. {as claimed}

At 3:47 they show weather people talking about "chaff", which are different than the trails people see. If the "trails" showed up on radar, we'd see them all the time on the weather radar, but we don't. It seems the video makers are trying to confuse the two issues in peoples minds.
....and then at 4:50 the vid flashes back to the guy giving his opinion in Parliment.

So far the vid seems to be trying to tie together in the viewers mind, all the opinions and conjecture so-far given.

Which includes the idea of saying those trails are the same thing as chaff. Which is misleading, to say the least, but they do so in order to give an air of legitimacy to their theories in the mind of the viewer. Who I will add, is most likely a lay-person with no real knowledge of the subject of their own, prior to watching the video.

At 9:30 they show the people talking about AI in the enviroment and what harm it could pose. I agree with the idea that research needs to be done to know for sure, but the fact that the research hasn't been done does not automaticly mean that there is harm from it either.
After all, AI is the third most abundant element in the Earths crust and accounts for 8% of the Earths weight.
It should be everywhere in detectable amounts already.


Skiping ahead because I don't have all day, at 25:00 or so, they show tests that show high levels of AI Barium and strontium, but again fail to show causation by the "trails", instead only using conjecture and opinion to establish their assumed source.

The little girl at 28:00 talks about soil and ground-level air tests that again do not offer proof of what actually caused the results of the tests.


I'm not saying that no one is spraying anything, and we all know the enviroment has been treated like crap and taken for granted by mankind for a long time now.
...but I still don't understand why actual samples can't be taken and tested. After all, we've seen video of planes flying above another plane that was supposedly "spraying" chemicals.....but even in that video all we got was two guys talking about their opinions.
BTW, in that video I chuckled when after having previously pointed out the so-called "nozzles" under the wings, they later said it appeared to be coming off the top of the wings. They couldn't even get it straight as to what they were seeing. lol
....but wanted others to take their word as fact.


My question is, where's the "beef" in all this? ie give me something that shows causation as opposed to merely presenting conjecture and opinion.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Trails are back over Los Angeles as of today.


5/21/2011-8/11/2011 = no trails


Looks like they are begging me to gift them with orgonite again. So it goes.

[Awoke]

Keep up the good work, Nocturnal!

[DMac]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43931226/ns/business-us_business/


I wonder if this is where they get all the aluminum for chemtrails, this article might be a hoax...

I always wondered how you pull off that much metal from the commodity market, spray it all over the planet, and not have any receipts, deliveries, etc

My guess is at least part of the chemtrail operation is right here, Goldman sachs is Rothschild

Bump for this post (and the reset of the thread ;) )

[DMac]

They were out spraying very early am this morning near me (north of NYC). Sky had those odd dispersing streaked clouds..led to haze. Mostly gone by 8am.

[JDRock]

The sheer volume of chemicals needed for these operations are mind boggeling. The only way ican see "them" pulling this off is by putting something in the jet fuels at the refinery level. OR haarp has a way of seperating existing chemicals in fossil fuels after they are in the air. As for purely an airforce dedicated to "spraying " chemicals im doubtful.

[mick silver]

on a good clear night you can watch the sky and see the trails . some times they look like a checker board till they spead out . i like it when they turn and come back i have some good pics of this

[Cebu_4_2]

Project Cloverleaf.

[milehi]

Every Thursday, just like clockwork.