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palani
3rd August 2011, 05:23 AM
Say there are 2 trillion paper dollars printed and floating around supporting the economy. If my math is correct that would be $6,666 per man, woman and child in the U.S. This might not be realistic in terms of numbers but is merely an example.

Suddenly the U.S. government announces that greenbacks are no longer valid and that any in your possession must be replaced with whalebacks (new currency just invented). The gov gives you 2 weeks to show up at a bank and exchange your old worthless greenbacks for new fully backed whalebacks. They print up 2 trillion dollars worth of these notes to replace one for one with paper dollars known to be on the books.

Now there are some people who don't want to let the gov know they have greenbacks. Pimps, druggies, DB Cooper, counterfeiters, Russian crime lords are several notable examples. There are other FRNs that have been destroyed, lost, stolen, you name it. In other words there is a block of currency that will not be turned in because an accounting would be required into how it came to be in a persons possession.

At the end of 2 weeks the exchange period is over and there will be a pile of whalebacks not claimed. These could be returned to the Fed and used to pay down the national debt.

Think about it. A national debt limit crisis eliminated at the expense of lawbreakers. A win-win solution unless the gov simply needs another crisis to form an emergency around.

The greenback is as much a military script as any ever put out by the military. The military does this sort of action when their script has been corrupted by black markets.

midnight rambler
3rd August 2011, 05:50 AM
It's military scrip, not military script. And I'm thinking that the definition is a stretch:


scrip - b : paper currency or a token issued for temporary use in an emergency 98 years in use does not qualify as 'temporary' (for it to be 'temporary' the issuer would have to acknowledge that the nature of it is in fact temporary with the intention of some sort of timeline to terminate its use as commonly accepted knowledge) , and although I agree that a state of emergency has existed since 1861 you will have a very hard time convincing anyone that the country is in fact in a state of emergency (whether from 1861, 1933, or any other date more recent). And I also have no issues with you referring to it as military scrip because there IS an occupational govt. under the Lieber Code, and the FRN currency (including related debt instruments) IS ONLY 'made good' at the point of a bayonet.

midnight rambler
3rd August 2011, 06:07 AM
Oh, and FWIW, fuck paying those rat bastards at the Fed ANYTHING near what they say we 'owe' them. There is a provision in the US Code where the Treasury can strike ANY domination onto a coin and then that coin becomes that denomination. I say strike a coin with the amount 'allegedly' *owed* to the Fed and it's all good. Once the books are balanced doing so, just eliminated the Fed. Problem solved.

palani
3rd August 2011, 07:22 AM
It's military scrip, not military script.

Scrip or script ... United States or United States of America ... things that are similar are not the same.

palani
3rd August 2011, 07:25 AM
I say strike a coin with the amount 'allegedly' *owed* to the Fed and it's all good.

If a promise to pay is accepted in place of payment then there is no debt. You would unbalance the account by attempting to repay a bill that has already been paid.

Awoke
3rd August 2011, 07:26 AM
As I look at your profile right now Palani, it reads:
Posts 1,111
Thanks 11

I should dig up the 222 thread.

palani
3rd August 2011, 07:37 AM
Another one. This was a plan I heard of years ago to eliminate coins in circulation.

Say you had two vending machines sitting side by side. Both offer candy bars. Machine number 1 has a feature in which you select your product, insert a piece of paper scrip(t) in excess of the cost, receive your product and the exact change in metallic coin.

By comparison the adjoining machine, machine number 2, has a probability engine installed. In machine number 2 you select your product, insert a pice of paper scrip(t) in excess of the cost and a probability is assigned to the transfer based upon the difference in price of the product and the scrip(t) entered. If the candy bar cost $.50 and $1 was entered a 50% probability would be assigned so that in half of these sort of transactions the paper scrip(t) is returned when the candy bar is delivered and in the other half of transactions the paper scrip(t) is retained with no change offered when the candy bar is delivered.

In the case of a $.75 bar the probability would be that the scrip(t) would be returned in 25% of the transactions and retained in 75% of the transactions.

At the end of the year given a perfectly designed probability engine the typical consumer would either be ahead by $1 or behind by $1.

My guess would be that the probability driven machine would soon receive all the business. The concept of receiving something for nothing is too strong for human nature to resist.

Now if the Fed could just be replaced with candy machines.

palani
3rd August 2011, 07:39 AM
As I look at your profile right now Palani, it reads:
Posts1,111Thanks11

What can I say ... A number "1"!!!

Joe King
3rd August 2011, 07:53 AM
My guess would be that the probability driven machine would soon receive all the business. The concept of receiving something for nothing is too strong for human nature to resist.

That also has a lot to do with why the country is in the fiscal shape it's in, too.