I mean, really, how bad will it get for the average man or woman on the street?

[BillBoard]

Is this the economic collapse for this civilization?

What is the worst that will happen to the average jane or joe on the street?

Japan is going on 20 years and they are still going, what is to say the USA can't last another 50 years more?

[sirgonzo420]

Lol. Japan is in a nuclear disaster of epic proportions. Their economy isn't looking too great either.

America is on the same planet as Japan. America uses debt-"money" too.

What goes around comes around.

Who knows what will happen, but plan for the worst. Ever seen "The Road"?

[midnight rambler]

The food situation will redline within two years. Use your imagination. In the future, anyone who cannot produce their own food at a subsistence level will not make it through the transition. T.A. Mits and T.A. Wits are roadkill already, they just haven't made that realization yet (if they don't position themselves by becoming self-sufficient).

[mick silver]

most are already dead and just dont know it

[learn2swim]

Depends on what part of the country you live in.

[Twisted Titan]

2/3 of our population will be wiped out on shock value alone that ATM and TV wont be working

[platinumdude]

solar panels and blu-ray will keep the tv going.

[Libertytree]

Japan doesn't have the worlds reserve currency and doesn't have the immense debt that we do. The culture of Japan is also vastly different than ours, with our predominantly arrogant, superior attitude, prosperity is our right mentality and lack of social cohesion. Just a couple things off the top of my head.

MR, I also believe is spot on in his assessment regarding food and self subsistence in general.

[Spectrism]

There are many potential scenarios to consider.... none of them good.

1. Business as usual. The dollar must be devalued in order to pay into the debt. The charade is kept up for a couple more years until it can no longer be covered over. The federal reserve prints away and valuable assets are gobbled up by the banksters and China. This is the slowed or delayed decline into disaster without a path to improvement and surely no plans to make a future for Amerika.

2. Sudden financial collapse. With the speed of communication now, this is more likely to happen. Many people are dumbed down, but there are enough to know a fake money system now. Businesses will not hure or grow. Tax receipts continue to drop. Government oppression ramps up, looking for any wealth to steal from its citizens. Banks stop working. Everything comes to a stop. Violence erupts. Cities become hell-holes of death. Suburbs become battlegrounds and rural areas become targets for raiding parties.

3. World war. With the weakness of Amerika, China allies with a few rogue nations that hate Amerika and see the opportunity to take her out. Too many war machine manufacturing sites are set up to churn out am invasion force for the Amerikan military to destroy. Invasion to continental US and effect blockades are established. Nuclear weapons are used.

4. "Natural" calamities hit harder. This will happen. More disasters will destroy infrastructures and cost trillions of dollars. Most areas of the world will be hit.

In all of these, basic needs will become the key to survival. Having the presence of mind to react to changing situations will also help. Seeing things as they ARE, not how you would like them to be, will give you a time advantage in responding.

[platinumdude]

Spectrism, Do you live in the city or you plan to ride it out?

[midnight rambler]

2/3 of our population will be wiped out on shock value alone that ATM and TV wont be working

Oh no, TT, you're wrong about the lobotomy box - they will never quit using their #1 propaganda tool (yes, likely even in the camps).

[DMac]

Oh no, TT, you're wrong about the lobotomy box - they will never quit using their #1 propaganda tool (yes, likely even in the camps).

TV in the prison system is a great example this in practice.

[Ponce]

All of you are right in your assesment in regards to the future of this nation.......one thing that will not stop will be you tv, the reason for this will be to keep your mind blank and also to facilitate the lies that they will continued to put out.

If you are livin alone as I am you will have a 90% of a chance of buying the farm and if you are in a big city your chances are about the same........with no sanitation or health facilities there will be a lot of sickness and with not food to keep up your strenght you will be very weak.

Many countries are just waiting for "payback time" and like I said before "Japan is waiting for payback for Hiroshima and Nagasaki" the reason for this is not to get even but rather because it is their culture.......we will loose all our overseas facilities and specially in South America.

The only thing that will keep America "safe" will be our long range weapons and we will be building more radar station all along our coast and borders, with no one being able to invade us the US will become the biggest prison in the world because peleticians will always be what they are and will want to remain at the top......there will be many kindoms, a la Edo era of Japan, and will remain that way till the country gets organise into five to six sectors..............one will want what the other has so that there will be internal wars and raids.........as the saying goes "there will be only one" and it will be at that time that once again we will be able to make progress and somehow, once again, become a nation....................this will take four to six generations to make it so.

I wrote long ago about what to do if you live in a large city......take over the tallest building and keep the first floor clear, or a big box store where the windows are very high and with only two entrances.

[Spectrism]

Spectrism, Do you live in the city or you plan to ride it out?

I live in dairy farm country. I visit cities frequently, but always think about escape routes in case a calamity strikes.

[Twisted Titan]

TV in the prison system is a great example this in practice.



You know what I stand corrtected you are absolutely right .

I remeber one time I had a employer with prison contracts ..........one time they where in lockdown mode nobody in our out .... the reason being a large group of the population got mad that the new warden changed the TV policy and word started to circulate they were going to "get even"


I didnt work that day.......... but when i returned back to that particular site. The Old TV schedule was restored.

[Spectrism]

Ponce, you are dreaming after smoking dope. Japan is toast and will not rise again.

As for the TV thing... it may be shut down by things beyond human control. I think there will be a phase of mad max and culture shock for the TV-addicts.

[Ponce]

Sure, just like Iraq and Aghanistan are winning their wars without the same weapons as we are using against them...there are many ways to fight a war and as long as the US keeps on thinking that there is only one...missiles and jet planes...we will loose every war that we will particitape in.

[solid]

Ponce, you are dreaming after smoking dope. Japan is toast and will not rise again.

As for the TV thing... it may be shut down by things beyond human control. I think there will be a phase of mad max and culture shock for the TV-addicts.

TV may be the dangling carrot to corral folks into certain 'safe' areas, then used to further brainwash them into peaceful zombies.

[Spectrism]

When the satellites are hit, most TV is off. So also will internet be down.

[Uncle Salty]

Oh no, TT, you're wrong about the lobotomy box - they will never quit using their #1 propaganda tool (yes, likely even in the camps).

That is why Los Angeles will never be a target of a false flag op. They don't want to kill of Hollywood, their most precious propaganda tool of all.

[Ponce]

Yeap, Jewliwood will always be there........

[Gaillo]

TV may be the dangling carrot to corral folks into certain 'safe' areas, then used to further brainwash them into peaceful zombies.

Which is different than now... uhhh... how again? ;D

[MNeagle]

http://media.adamdodson.org/var/resizes/Dees-Illustration/FEMA%20Camp.jpg?m=1276667454

[solid]

Which is different than now... uhhh... how again? ;D

Good point. ;D

I guess the only difference is the lemmings haven't walked off the cliff yet. They will get off their asses when the TV tells them to report to their local FEMA assistance center, for further instructions. ;D

[osoab]

The food situation will redline within two years. Use your imagination. In the future, anyone who cannot produce their own food at a subsistence level will not make it through the transition. T.A. Mits and T.A. Wits are roadkill already, they just haven't made that realization yet (if they don't position themselves by becoming self-sufficient).

I would like to add that not only producing your food, but the capabilities to keep it will be crucial.

[sirgonzo420]

Yeap, Jewliwood will always be there........


It's ZIONISTS Ponce!

Say ZIONISTS!

;D

[mrnhtbr2232]

Is this the economic collapse for this civilization?

What is the worst that will happen to the average jane or joe on the street?

Japan is going on 20 years and they are still going, what is to say the USA can't last another 50 years more?

I would not call it a economic collapse so much as a dissipation - kind of like a lightbulb growing terminally dimmer but still putting out illumination. There are still other things in the world that hold intrinsic value as dollar systems atrophy. But the average person on the street will likely be in a complete dependency mode, following the directives of authorities and lacking sufficient preparation and awareness. They are the ones to watch out for when they start to get desperate.

Food will become marginalized into bulk products that are mass-produced with centralized delivery and Katrina-like crowds. As crime increases, calls will go out to disarm the public for "safety" and guns will be declared illegal. As people start to disappear and the sheep finally understand what's going on it will be too late. The final straw will be door-to-door gun confiscations and the confiscators getting shot. Once that starts it's showtime and the thread title becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. ETA: within three years.

[BillBoard]

I would not call it a economic collapse so much as a dissipation - kind of like a lightbulb growing terminally dimmer but still putting out illumination. There are still other things in the world that hold intrinsic value as dollar systems atrophy. But the average person on the street will likely be in a complete dependency mode, following the directives of authorities and lacking sufficient preparation and awareness. They are the ones to watch out for when they start to get desperate.

Food will become marginalized into bulk products that are mass-produced with centralized delivery and Katrina-like crowds. As crime increases, calls will go out to disarm the public for "safety" and guns will be declared illegal. As people start to disappear and the sheep finally understand what's going on it will be too late. The final straw will be door-to-door gun confiscations and the confiscators getting shot. Once that starts it's showtime and the thread title becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. ETA: within three years.

Makes sense to me, and I am willing to say it all is a matter of perspective.

A friend tells me that the point of the Global Debt Collapse is to produce a single planetary debenture, that is to say something akin to a Global Treasury which will benefit only those that hold those bonds by making the World's resources only available to themselves.

Crazy! I said!

In turn he mentions that China and India are no longer threats since their populations will be rendered infertile by Bioengineered grains that will modify those populations genomes' into manageable numbers. The same applies to our own food.

Yes, the next race of Earth's rulers have already been created and your and mine children are not among them.

So what of the average Joe and Jane? They will no longer exist since they will be obsolete.

[Buddha]

http://media.adamdodson.org/var/resizes/Dees-Illustration/FEMA%20Camp.jpg?m=1276667454

That's been photo shopped, I can tell by the pixels.

[cortez]

Yeap, Jewliwood will always be there........

natural disaster will eventually destroy So Cal, but they will probalby set up shop somewhere else

[mightymanx]

People will be so used to long pork, They will have forgotten what real pork tastes like.


It will be a zombie appocolapse of the first order, while TPTB sit in their bunkers and wait for us to fight it out to Georga guide stone levels and then they will emerge with a plan for salvation. The people will flock because they will be too cold tired hungry and sick of fighting to think along any other lines.

A FEMA camp will look like paradise after you just had to eat raw spoiled unkle Ted steaks.

[Joe King]

What's an unkle Ted steak? Or shouldn't I ask? lol

[mightymanx]

What's an unkle Ted steak? Or shouldn't I ask? lol

What is your family's fat and first to die relative's name?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Long_pork&redirect=no

[Joe King]

Let's all hope it don't get "Ted steak" bad. lol

If it does, make mine well-done please.

[Sparky]

Heh, no rays of sunshine in this thread. This sounds more like Mad Max than the Great Depression. This seems like a longshot scenario to me, though I respect it as possibility.

How would gun ownership fit into this demise? The U.S. is by far the most heavily armed population in the world, with approximately 9 firearms per 10 citizens. One in four owns a firearm, with at least one gun in half the households. The average gun owner owns 3-4 guns. I have a friend who lives in a "gun-friendly" state; he think gunholders would put up a fight in the event of an organized government-controlled takeover. How do you think that would play out, given the dire outlook presented here? Would there be organized opposition?

[Spectrism]

Heh, no rays of sunshine in this thread. This sounds more like Mad Max than the Great Depression. This seems like a longshot scenario to me, though I respect it as possibility.

We cannot have the same kind of depression experienced in the 1930s.

We have a whole different mentality on many levels.

In the 1930s, people pretty much understood that when you don't work, you don't eat. Now we have an entitlement mentality that gets violent if they are not given free food and shelter and TV. There is no humility among too many lowlife zombies about being dependent upon the state and the state is all too glad to steal from producers to give to their voters.
Morality is openly debased. Religious principles are inseparable from church (mis)leadership and both are disrespected. Righteousness is only found at the smoking end of a gun, tazer or police cruiser.




How would gun ownership fit into this demise? The U.S. is by far the most heavily armed population in the world, with approximately 9 firearms per 10 citizens. One in four owns a firearm, with at least one gun in half the households. The average gun owner owns 3-4 guns. I have a friend who lives in a "gun-friendly" state; he think gunholders would put up a fight in the event of an organized government-controlled takeover. How do you think that would play out, given the dire outlook presented here? Would there be organized opposition?



Action- reaction. The video game generation will at first see the violence as a game. The reaction will be government forces systematically sweeping geography. The government has already "taken over". The ability to monitor and control all money flow exists. THIS is where you will see the governments go, into money control. All transactions will be required to occur digitally. They will use various excuses: to stop drug trafficing, to stop terrorists, to make taxes fair for all, to prevent another economic meltdown because hoarders and speculators bypassed government controls.

[gunDriller]

Yeap, Jewliwood will always be there........

Jewelrywood ?

[Ponce]

A rose by any other name?..........or should I say ........a piece of shit by any other name?

What keeps you free is your gun, give up your gun and you will be giving up your freedom........you will not be a slave till they take the gun away from you.

[midnight rambler]

A rose by any other name?..........or should I say ........a piece of shit by any other name?

What keeps you free is your gun, give up your gun and you will be giving up your freedom........you will not be a slave till they take the gun away from you.

But Ponce, if one is required to 'ask permission' to take possession of a gun while swearing to be a 14th Amendment 'US citizen' (the yellow sheet and NICS), then that's DEFINITELY not freedom.

[Ponce]

He who breaks the law is making his own laws........make your own laws and to hell with them...... after all, that's what freedom is all about.

[mick silver]

can i build a jail and lock every body up i dont like , then make the pay me to get out

[Awoke]

I think Talmudwood is more fitting.