London's burning

[Dogman]

http://www.neurope.eu/photos2/thumb_1_1312800653-0.jpg


Tottenham: The first line of offence

More than 170 people have been arrested in riots that have raged since 6 August and are now spreading throughout London, with police officers attacked, shops looted and damaged and buildings set on fire.

Unrest which began in Tottenham, spread to Enfield, Walthamstow and Waltham Forest in north London and to Brixton in the south of the city. It is estimated that some 35 police officers have been injured so far.

The riots began on 6 August in Tottenham, a northern borough of London, sparked by community rage over the fatal shooting of a young man by police officers and a lack of response from the authorities.

Looting and pillaging has taken place on an unprecedented scale, leaving many buildings burned to ground and shops emptied by organised groups, and has been attributed to criminal gangs, with the spread of violence across the city labelled as "copycat criminal activity" by the Metropolitan Police.

Metropolitan Police Commander Adrian Hanstock described the events: "This is not groups of people acting on behalf of communities or with any consent. This is individuals who are actually attacking communities, businesses, properties and houses (http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#) and actually causing a huge amount of upset and criminality."

Deputy Mayor of London and Chair of the Metropolitan Police Authority Kit Malthouse praised the police for the work they were doing throughout the riots, which he described as "disgusting and shocking". Malthouse added: "Obviously there are people in this city, sadly, who are intent on violence, who are looking for the opportunity (http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#) to steal and set fire to buildings and create a sense of mayhem, whether they're anarchists or part of organised gangs or just feral youth frankly, who fancy a new pair of trainers."

Home (http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#) Secretary Theresa May condemned the riots: “Such disregard for public safety and property will not be tolerated, and the Metropolitan Police have my full support in restoring order. Londoners have made clear that there are no excuses for violence, and I call on all members of local communities to work constructively with the police to help them bring these criminals to justice," she added. May's dismay with the rioters was reflected in the statement of Tottenham MP David Lammy, who urged those coming to Tottenham to pillage and loot to stay at home, underlining the threat that these riots represent for the community and its hard-achieved peaceful coexistence.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Steve Kavanagh blamed social media for fuelling looting and violence, saying: "Social media and other methods have been used to organise these levels of greed and criminality."

A total of 61 arrests have been made after the first night of rioting, mostly on the counts of burglary, violent disorder, robbery, theft and handling stolen goods.

It has been reported that a gang of up to 200 youths embarked on a looting spree, charging at police in Brixton, south London. The London Fire Brigade said it had been called to a number of fires in Enfield, Brixton and Walthamstow, after the raging flames consumed one building in Tottenham.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner announced that more police would be present on London's streets on 8 August to prevent or tackle further outbreaks.


Read more: London's burning - New Europe (http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#ixzz1USIBuBx2) http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#ixzz1USIBuBx2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2KqaVsTLis&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9RZsZDfDvU




Some say they shot him in the head while holding him down on the ground.

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCw9_avTlYs&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCw9_avTlYs&feature=related

[sirgonzo420]

London Bridge is burning down?

[nunaem]

Why no pictures of the rioters? Oh right, that would lead to 'thought crimes'.

[osoab]

London Bridge is burning down?

No, just falling down. ;D

[nunaem]

Metropolitan Police Commander Adrian Hanstock described the events: "This is not groups of people acting on behalf of communities or with any consent. This is individuals who are actually attacking communities, businesses, properties and houses (http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#) and actually causing a huge amount of upset and criminality."

Individualism is always in vogue when on the topic of disproportionate criminality among races. Then these same people turn around and say whites share a collective guilt over slavery.

[BillBoard]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8687177/London-riots-live.html

[Dogman]

Beat you!

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?52782-London-s-burning

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AlH2oYedfk&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AlH2oYedfk&feature=player_embedded

[mike88]

yoofs, nice term for them. musn't offend any minorities wot.

[osoab]

yoofs, nice term for them. musn't offend any minorities wot.

I was listening to a bbc feed on NPR. They must have said "youths" 5 times in a 45 second clip. Even the pronunciation seemed overly dramatic.

[mamboni]

I love the Brits, but they have always had a propensity to verbosity, like me. This entire news article could have been summed up in just three words:

Britain's Chimpout Continues

[ximmy]

subtle insinuations...

London riots: how BlackBerry Messenger has been used to plan two nights of looting

and

Tottenham, the section of London where much of the rioting took place, is considered to be a “black” section of town because of the large number of Afro-Carribean residents. But the area is generally culturally diverse.

::)

[Kali]

So they are burning down buildings of innocent people because the cops killed one innocent person?

A bunch of idiots if you ask me.

Why not target the culprits alone.

[Serpo]

It appears to be spreading

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16045926

[Hermie]

So they are burning down buildings of innocent people because the cops killed one innocent person?

A bunch of idiots if you ask me.

Why not target the culprits alone.

Stealing televisions and track suits is the way to protest police behavior.
Yeah.
Always the same people, isn't it.
Yet nobody in the media or government ever seems to notice that.

[osoab]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/8/7/1312711317599/Rioters-confront-police-017.jpg

[osoab]

This pic has is from the riots, but I am trying to figure out why they made the sign that way.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/8/7/1312734444720/A-man-photographs-a-burnt-003.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/gallery/2011/aug/07/tottenham-hit-by-riots-pictures#/?picture=377658430&index=20

[willie pete]

Apparently it's spreading to other cities also....I found this report strange though....

"
In Hackney, hundreds of youths left a trail of burning trash and shattered glass. Looters, including what appeared to be an elderly Cuban gentleman, ransacked a small convenience store, filling plastic shopping bags with alcohol, cigarettes, candy and toilet paper."

[Glass]

I think this is brilliant but its just hoodlems not an insurrection. Bit of a shame that but who knows it might turn into something worthwhile. Maybe we'll see some of the real criminals hanging by their feet from lamp posts. Fingers crossed.

[PatColo]

I'll admit to watching some FAUX News yesterday after the obummer speech. Couple times they'd return to this London burning story, and each time the announcer mentioned that it's "not far from the site of the 2012 Olympics.." and another time he said it's "only a couple miles from the Olympics site.."

Well I'm thinking a couple miles isn't terribly near within the context of a city. What's going on with this repeated mention? So of course next I recall the question,
Are the 2012 Olympics part of a plot to take over the world? (guardian.uk) (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40127-Are-the-2012-Olympics-part-of-a-plot-to-take-over-the-world-%28guardian.uk%29)
???

[woodman]

Apparently it's spreading to other cities also....I found this report strange though....

"
In Hackney, hundreds of youths left a trail of burning trash and shattered glass. Looters, including what appeared to be an elderly Cuban gentleman, ransacked a small convenience store, filling plastic shopping bags with alcohol, cigarettes, candy and toilet paper."


What is Ponce doing in England? Come back home and raise hell here Bro!

[7th trump]

niggers and spics rioting in the streets because some one was shot!
This just isnt a scenario played out in America to say this a mind set of lazy Americans......................its niggers and spics doing what they do best!
Sounds to me they need something to do...................come mow my grass BOY!
Apparently the past generations werent to far off to consider these animals 4/5ths!

[Winston Smith]

The £80 billion austerity programme of cuts now being implemented by the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government dwarfs anything attempted by Thatcher. Moreover, they come after three decades in which workers and young people have seen their wages and living standards stripped to the bone, while the super-rich and international financiers have enjoyed record levels of wealth.
While interviewing local people, Raf Sanchez for the Telegraph reported, “most seem to agree that the riot was a long time coming and not just a reaction to the Mark Duggan shooting. ‘You had a tinderbox that was waiting and that was just the match,’ says one woman. ‘It’s frustration by young people who have been pushed to the wall. Most of them are NEETs [Not in Education, Employment or Training], they can’t read and write and they have got nothing to lose.”

[osoab]

http://i.imgur.com/KVvgW.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/KVvgW.jpg)



london riot looter may regret this facebook post...


http://imgur.com/KVvgW

[mamboni]

This is like some transcendental historic deja vu vis-a-vis the sacking of Rome in the latter days of the collapsing empire. The great Anglo-Saxon people have been infiltrated, disarmed and humiliated by decades of liberalism-socialism-multiculturism. Some say that TPTB tell us their long term intentions through mass media such as film. To wit, a third(!) remake of Planet of the Apes has been released in film. It's almost as if TPTB are nagging our subconscious mind.

If Winston Churchill were British PM, I expect that the police would have opened fire and the army deployed to the London streets by now.

This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.


William Shakespeare (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/William_Shakespeare/), "King Richard II", Act 2 scene 1
Greatest English dramatist & poet (1564 - 1616)

[Twisted Titan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmgs36b1BuU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[gunDriller]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024001/Forced-strip-naked-street-Shocking-scenes-rioters-steal-clothes-rifle-bags-people-make-way-home.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/09/article-2024001-0D5CB5C100000578-825_642x603.jpg

looks like a Chimp-out.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsRwwQJdKjE&feature=player_embedded#at=47


sick man... just sick

[Awoke]

Another great reason to always carry knives.

[mrnhtbr2232]

And this is why the powers that be are not losing sleep - people are out in the streets on each other and property, not marshaled inside political offices tying ropes around necks. The same thing will happen here - people will get frustrated, panic, even kill, but not the right people. So look carefully all you "we can take it back" types because your dependency on the public becoming patriot saviors is not going to happen. Instead, this is what you will see - opportunistic criminal behavior and hit and run violence that accomplishes nothing. It's like someone buying a Prius thinking they are saving the planet while the factory that made it belches more pollution than their car will ever come close to - people will not figure out the cause but instead focus on the effect. And that dooms true change which is why we are responsible for our own destiny, not the overlords who unleash unwashed masses in our direction as their gauntlet.

[gunDriller]

Another great reason to always carry knives.

Guns might be illegal in England. But I think that situation calls for more than a knife - unless the white guy has a lot of martial arts experience - which it doesn't look like he has.

Concealed carry with noise suppression would come in mighty handy there.

[JDRock]

.....London,once the city of the kings....the envy of the wholeworld, reduced to a 3rd world shithole soley by trading their Christian religion,for the pagan goddess of deversity....our fate too??

[Awoke]

.....London,once the city of the kings....the envy of the wholeworld, reduced to a 3rd world shithole soley by trading their Christian religion,for the pagan goddess of deversity....our fate too??

There is much more to it that just that, my friend. The satanic conspiracy is thousands of years old.

[JohnQPublic]

I think Gordon Cameron's failure to step down with the start of the Rupert Murdoch scandal may be part of this. Now Rupert is leading UK into disarray to save his media empire?

[Ares]

Twenty-six years ago, the death of Cynthia Jarrett sparked a riot in Tottenham.

The mother of four suffered a heart attack as police searched her home.

The police used her son's keys to enter her home following his wrongful arrest for an allegedly suspicious tax disc.

Jarrett's premature death lit the blue touchpaper on Tottenham's Broadwater Farm estate, prompting violence that culminated in the death of PC Keith Blakelock from 42 stab wounds.

Every community and every generation have a breaking point.

As I write, police and young people are squaring up to each other all over again.

In London, Birmingham, Liverpool and Leeds reports of riots and lootings are flying into newsrooms around the country.

It was the shooting of Mark Duggan on August 5 that ignited today's riots. Duggan also came from the Broadwater Farm estate.

Back in 1985, hundreds of young black men were interviewed in connection with PC Blakelock's death.

Winston Silcott, Engin Raghip and Mark Braithwaite were convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Following a campaign by the Broadwater Farm Defence, the Broadwater Three were found not guilty by the Court of Appeal.

Police notes of the suspect interrogations - the only evidence - had been tampered with.

In the past 10 years, over 650 people have died in police custody or following contact with the police.

Just three deaths have been declared unlawful.

In 1993 Joy Gardner was bound in 13 feet of tape and a cruel restraint harness complete with shackles by Metropolitan police officers.

Gardner had ignored a deportation order which would have separated her from her five-year-old son, who watched his mother die on the floor of the family home in Crouch End. No-one was brought to justice for her death.

Ten years later, poet Benjamin Zephaniah's cousin Mikey Powell died of positional asphyxia while in police custody.

It took six years for an inquest jury to find the police responsible for his killing.

Politicians, judges and the public assume that tragedies such as these combined with the "forward march of progress" can transform flawed institutions.

Time is a great healer of social problems.

But if this were true, the same problems would not still be treated with solutions that have been tried and tested - and found wanting.

We would urgently seek new answers to problems that have festered away for years.

In the 1980s, academics and social commentators identified a common denominator of civil unrest was years of aggressive policing and policies.

Economic and social decline fanned a tinderbox community burning with the anger and frustration.

Relations between the police and communities in London have rotted away.

Territorial Support Groups roam London carrying out "routine" stop and searches on young people.

In July this year the High Court granted Ann Juliette Roberts permission to challenge the legality of stop-and-search powers.

Her solicitors claim that police unfairly target black people.

Roberts feels that Section 60 of the 1994 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act contravenes human rights law.

The 37-year-old special needs assistant found herself face down on the floor and handcuffed when police believed that she had something to hide in her handbag.

Recently married, Roberts had credit cards in her maiden and married names.

She found herself arrested on suspicion of fraud and given a drug test, which tested negative.

Police say that stop and searches have reduced undeniably high levels of knife crime, a product of drug and gang culture.

But the Stephen Lawrence report in 1999 highlighted the fact that stop and search targeted young black men.

In 2004, Police Complaints Authority chairman Sir Alistair Graham said: "Not everything was right with the use of the power."

The Home Office was forced to admit that public trust and confidence in the police had been undermined by stop-and-search policy.

The public perception of the police complaints procedure is that it is a waste of time. Vulnerable communities do not trust the police to investigate themselves.

Racism and Islamophobia are considered endemic in 21st century policing.

Black, Asian and Muslim communities feel that access to justice is denied to them.

But the very people who are most needed to analyse and comment on the issues are excluded from the debate raging in the media.

If they had a voice, perhaps inner-city youth centres would have remained open, police oppression would be a distant memory and Tottenham would have been declared a regeneration zone.

The growing divide between poverty and privilege has seen a concentration of low-income families in social housing and areas of deprivation.

Seventy-five per cent of newly formed households entering social housing were headed by someone aged between 16 and 29 and a large proportion are unemployed with multiple problems.

In Walthamstow in 2003, 69 per cent of pupils in the top schools achieved five or more GCSEs compared with 23 per cent at the poorest-performing schools which are located in the poorest areas.

Truancy, exclusion and low levels of attainment have been exacerbated by an educational meltdown in Hackney caused by administrative chaos in Waltham Forest Education Department which led to the transfer of responsibility to a joint venture called EduAction, formed by Amey PLC and Nord Anglia Education PLC.

These are the conditions that gang culture flourishes.

As London burned, rival gangs chalked their logos on burned-out buildings.

It is estimated that over 205 gangs operate in London with a "membership" of at least 15,000.

Gang culture, with its hierarchies, violence and battles for power and authority within and between gangs has replaced community with disintegration and cohesion with chaos.

The only thing left is the constant negotiation of "respect" or fear. This is an adversarial space, with estates becoming the arena for confrontations of gladiatorial proportions.

Gangs took control of estates, geographical territories and communities through intimidation, harassment, theft, violent assault and rape.

Academic John Pitts described the Beaumont estate in Walthamstow as "a totalitarian social space in which the options of the residents are largely controlled by controlling the day-to-day behaviour of residents and tenants living within their territory, controlling who may enter their territory and driving out those whom they believe should not dwell there."

All the agencies that have been attempting to counter gang culture have suffered from austerity measures.

Cuts to police have left innocent people unprotected. Reduced fire services struggled to get from one location to another.

What is happening on the streets of London has political solutions but shouldn't be seen as political protest.

Rioting and looting is a primitive expression of the breakdown of social order.

Young people with nothing to lose are destroying shops and property, fighting the police in running battles and tearing the tokens of capitalism down.

Just a few weeks ago David Lammy MP said: "The highest unemployment in the capital in Tottenham where four out of five children are born into poverty. The government need to recognise our case for investment and regeneration."

This is not a revolution.

This is a primal scream against years of oppression.


http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/108079

[Hermie]

.....London,once the city of the kings....the envy of the wholeworld, reduced to a 3rd world shithole soley by trading their Christian religion,for the pagan goddess of deversity....our fate too??

And look who is cleaning up after the looting and burning and destruction.
611

Damn idiots. Should be out in force lynching the perps.
But that would be... (shudder) racist?

Same damn thing happened in Nashville a few years ago.
Blacks burnt down a Dollar store (along with other riot damage) and the
next day you saw nitwit Whites out cleaning up the destruction.
Showing that they are happy to play the chump.

It is sickening and the reason this type of thing won't stop.
Until it is stopped.

[MNeagle]

There is no evidence that Mark Duggan opened fire at police before he was shot dead, ballistic test results say


breakingnews.com

[Celtic Rogue]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/8/7/1312711317599/Rioters-confront-police-017.jpg

What... its just a few good ole english blokes out on the town? Seems that people of this complexion cant make a go of a modern society anywhere in the world!

[7th trump]

What... its just a few good ole english blokes out on the town? Seems that people of this complexion cant make a go of a modern society anywhere in the world!
Ya know its ironic these animal nigger and spics get all upset about one of their own getting shot and tommorrow they will snuff each other out over an IPOD or a pair of sneakers or you belong to the wrong gang.
It would be iconic to see a bunch of WWII vets run these thugs out like they were back in WWII.
Just point and unload the clip!

[dys]

Ya know its ironic these animal nigger and spics get all upset about one of their own getting shot and tommorrow they will snuff each other out over an IPOD or a pair of sneakers or you belong to the wrong gang.
It would be iconic to see a bunch of WWII vets run these thugs out like they were back in WWII.
Just point and unload the clip!

You are poison to this forum.
Other than that, some great insights on this thread.

dys

[freespirit]

You are poison to this forum.

dys

i agree with this part, not so much with the rest.

[TomD]

I am heavily armed and have a CCW in a mostly rural area where people like me are the rule, not exception. It won't happen here.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x229/TomD77/misc%20stuff/BenelliNova-1.jpg

[mick silver]

Another great reason to always carry knives.

just one more reason to own and carry a gun

[Awoke]

It is always the major city centers that first fall victim to the plan of the agents of revolution.

[Awoke]

just one more reason to own and carry a gun

I own several, but in Canada we face federal time if we carry. It's totally gay, but definately just another part of the plan as far as the NWO globalists go.

[sirgonzo420]

What... its just a few good ole english blokes out on the town? Seems that people of this complexion cant make a go of a modern society anywhere in the world!

Must be the white man's fault.

[DMac]

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110809/sara20110809042903153.jpg


London Riots: Government Prepares Troops - Martial Law Imminent. - 9th August 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb1tUzsazZA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-police-armoured-vehicles

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/09/london-riots-violence-looting-live

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/193059.html

[DMac]

Nigel Farage's true colors shining through, "Use the army!"

His stock is dropping FAST in my eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVc0zx7RIPs

[osoab]

Nigel Farage's true colors shining through, "Use the army!"

His stock is dropping FAST in my eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVc0zx7RIPs


Nice avatar DMac

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Here's some cryptome coverage:

vivid pictures.

http://cryptome.org/info/totten-protest/totten-protest.htm

[mamboni]

Nigel Farage's true colors shining through, "Use the army!"

His stock is dropping FAST in my eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVc0zx7RIPs

Agreed: Farage should have proposed that all whites be evacuated from London and the city nuked from orbit; after all, it's the only way to be sure.O0

[Serpo]

London is reeling from three nights of rioting (http://www.cnbc.com/id/44070689/)that's poured hundreds of people into the streets, leaving several local neighborhoods in shambles. One man is dead, dozens injured and arrested. http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/__Story_Inserts/graphics/__EVENTS_PROTESTS/LONDON_SHOOTING_RIOT/london_riot_shooting_1_200.jpg
Leon Neal | AFP | Getty Images
Two police cars and a large number of buildings were on Saturday set ablaze in north London following a protest over the fatal shooting of a 29-year-old man in an armed stand-off with officers. The patrol cars were torched as dozens gathered outside the police station on the High Road in Tottenham.
The protests have now spread to other cities, with violence reported in parts of Birmingham, Liverpool and Bristol.
Great Britain and other parts of the world are experiencing unrest at a time of global economic uncertainty and stock market volatility.
Here's a look at what's happening around the world and how economic downturns are bringing protestors into the streets.
Great Britain
Police in London say the violence began during a vigil for a man, Mark Duggan, who’d been killed by police. However, those on the streets say what's happening goes beyond one man's death. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/world/europe/10britain.html?ref=world)
In late June, half the public schools in Britain where closed (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13967580)by a massive protest over public pensions cuts, including three major teachers' unions, customs and immigration officers, and air traffic controllers. Some 750,000 people took part in the protest.
London's press has reported that discontent (http://andywinterbht.wordpress.com/2011/07/27/are-we-facing-a-summer-of-discontent-because-of-the-london-olympics-2012/)has been simmering among Britain's urban poor for years, in neighborhoods like Tottenham, where the riots started.
But as one man told NBC News about an economic protest two months ago (http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/07/7292281-the-sad-truth-behind-london-riot), "There was not a word in the press about our protests. Last night (Saturday) a bit of rioting and looting and now look around you."
In response to the violence, Prime Minister David Cameron has said law and order will prevail in Great Britain and he's doubled the amount of police officers in the streets and instituted curfews for young adults.
Cameron's conservative government is under fire for spending cuts to social programs in order to help reduce the country's debt. Among those hit the hardest are large numbers of minority youths who have been at the forefront of the unrest. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/world/europe/10britain.html?ref=world)
Israel
Some 250,000 people took to the streets of Tel Aviv, Israel (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/250000-israelis-protest-in-tel-aviv-16033748.html), on Saturday over the rising cost of living. Demonstrations actually began last month when a few people set up tents in an expensive part of Tel Aviv to protest rising property prices.
The protests have moved to other cities in Israel, where some 50,000 people rallied.
The demonstrations have turned into a major challenge for the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Polls released last week show his approval ratings have dropped while support for the protesters is high.
Netanyahu has announced a series of reforms including freeing up land for construction and offering tax breaks. But the reforms have only increased anger in the streets, according to reports. (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4105195,00.html)
Here are some of the demands from protestors, according to Reuters:


Increase personal tax brackets for top earners
Enshrine the right to housing in the law; introduce rent controls; boost mortgage relief
Stop further privatization of things such as health facilities
Provide free education for all from the age of three months
Raise the minimum wage to 50 percent of the average wage

Spain, Greece , Portugal
All three of these European Union nations have experienced protests and rioting in reaction to government austerity programs and bad economic conditions.
http://media.cnbc.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/__Story_Inserts/graphics/__EVENTS_PROTESTS/_GREEK_PROTESTS/greece_0310_protest_night_200.jpg
Aris Messinis | AFP | Getty Images
Demonstrators shout slogans against government's recent austerity economy measures during a protest in Athens.

In late June, riots broke out in Athens and other parts of Greece (http://www.cnbc.com/id/43407665/) as the country's parliament voted to approve severe cutbacks in government spending.
Dozens were hurt and businesses destroyed as police battled rioters with tear gas and night sticks.
Greek lawmakers made the cuts in order to receive more bailout money from the International Monetary Fund and European Union—or run the risk of defaulting on their debts.
In Spain, thousands of people turned out in late May to protest the country's 21 percent unemployment rate. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/44057701)
They also demonstrated against government corruption and austerity measures to reign in the country's debt. Hundreds of people set up tents in a Madrid square and spent a week there in protest.
Portugal saw massive strikes and protests last March in response to government spending cuts. At least 200,000 people gathered in Lisbon.
The Philippines
Thousand of workers took to the streets throughout the country (http://www.phillyimc.org/en/thousands-militant-workers-march-higher-pay-philippines) in May of this year to march for higher pay. They demanded better wages in light of rising inflation, including higher oil prices.
They called on the government of President Benigno Aquino III to do more to help protect jobs.
In reaction, the government held job fairs as hundreds of workers have been laid off as the economy slumps. Workers say that effort has fallen far short of what they want.
China
Nearly 1,000 cab drivers in eastern China (http://www.cnbc.com/id/43968062/?Hundreds_of_cab_drivers_protest_fares_in_China) blocked traffic and protested on Aug. 1 over rising fuel costs. It was the latest sign of discontent about the country's surging inflation.
Inflation is hitting China hard, with food prices recently increasing 12 percent. Many Chinese officials are reported concerned that inflation, along with rising property prices (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/world/asia/28china.html), could lead to even more unrest.
This past June, thousands of workers battled for three days with police in the capital city of the southern Chinese province of Guangdong. They were protesting declining living standards.
The recent protests can be traced back to February of this year, in what was an attempt to copy theArab Spring uprising. (http://www.cnbc.com/id/41371568/) That's when calls through Chinese social networks were sent out for an uprising in several local cities.
However, reports say the turnout was small in comparison to the enormous police presence and there were more clashes between journalists and officials than demonstrators.
Syria
In another legacy from the Arab Spring, protests and riots in Syria against the rule of President Bashar al-Assad have been going on for five months (http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/03/25/dictator-watch-syrians-continue-to-protest-despite-massacres/).
Reports say at least 1,600 people have been killed by government forces.
The demonstrations are a combination of calls for economic as well as political changes. Assad's government has promised a package of reforms including higher wages, letting political parties exist, easing restrictions on the media, and a new anti-corruption drive. But so far, none of the measures has been set in place.
Last week Assad sent troops and tanks to quell the mostly Sunni Muslim city of Hama in central Syria, and the army launched a similar assault on Sunday against Deir al-Zor.
Syria has cracked down with deadly force on protests in the past. In 1982 then-president Hafez al Assad—the father of Bashar al-Assad—sent troops into the Syrian town of Hama, killing between 10,000 and 40,000 people.
Syria's Arab neighbors as well as the United States have called for Assad to step down. He's ruled Syria for the past 11 years after succeeding his father. Assad says he has no intention of giving up his post as president.

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Scenes From London Riots (http://www.cnbc.com/id/44059635)


http://www.cnbc.com/id/44073673

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o&feature=player_embedded#at=183

[ximmy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o&feature=player_embedded#at=183
Sweet... it's like she's talking to Joe King...

[Eyebone]

Those UK protesters got off lucky. Those police agents only had cell phones, helmets, plastic trash can lids, and batons.
They are only beginning to think about breaking out plastic bullets.

If that shit starts in America it will be ugly for everyone on the ground that's involved.



Ah, hasn't it already started in Wisconsin or Michigan?

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o&feature=player_embedded#at=183


I am not saying that the "lower classes" are not crapped on over in jolly ole England, but taking your frustrations on your next door neighbor is like cutting off your thumb to spite your index finger.

Pillaging and looting only go so far. What happens when you run out of other peoples' things to burn down?

[Horn]

http://files.sharenator.com/holy_shit_SUPER_MEGA_PIC_DUMP-s575x460-189058.jpg

[Quad66]

“ . . . taking your frustrations on your next door neighbor is like cutting off your thumb to spite your index finger.

Pillaging and looting only go so far. What happens when you run out of other peoples' things to burn down?”


The purpose of this sort of rioting, for the actual participates, is to grab a few goodies, have fun, and blow off steam.

From a minority elite perspective, it's a welcomed opportunity to extract further political and economic concessions from the majority.

If they did manage to destroy the host society, they would simply squat in the rubble and starve.

[Horn]

I would think this would top the Somalia story by a long shot, what gives?

[Dogman]

I would think this would top the Somalia story by a long shot, what gives? Playing the young kid card, and the London thing is turning into an england thing, that is growing. Soon to be the top story.

Won't be long before they drop the Somalia story to the back page, and england will be the top story, until the next disaster that will soon happen.

[7th trump]

“ . . . taking your frustrations on your next door neighbor is like cutting off your thumb to spite your index finger.

Pillaging and looting only go so far. What happens when you run out of other peoples' things to burn down?”


The purpose of this sort of rioting, for the actual participates, is to grab a few goodies, have fun, and blow off steam.

From a minority elite perspective, it's a welcomed opportunity to extract further political and economic concessions from the majority.

If they did manage to destroy the host society, they would simply squat in the rubble and starve.
So true Quad66, they would just sit and starve with a thumb, if not both, up their ass.
Only goes to show that they really need the white man to show them the way. Without the white man the world would revert back into the stone age in a matter of months.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/august2011/100811top1.jpg

[mick silver]

didnt this happen in there own countrys . they run the whites off then started wars with each other then burn there food

[DMac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDDwDezlVyM

[Dogman]

It is sad that country banned guns and made it illegal to defend yourself or property.

The way it is now the criminals have more rights than the innocent.

[nunaem]

didnt this happen in there own countrys . they run the whites off then started wars with each other then burn there food

No, individual youths ran whites off/massacred them, then destroyed their own country's economy and infrastructure. Those were isolated individuals, they didn't represent their communities.

[Ponce]

If the UK government were to call out the army they would live ammo and that would inflame the situation.....now then, if the same were to happen here in the US it would work for a while......but......."We The People" would bring out our own guns and declare war on anyone who is shooting at us.......as long as you hold a gun you will remain free.

First post of the day........good morning to one and all.

[mick silver]

No, individual youths ran whites off/massacred them, then destroyed their own country's economy and infrastructure. Those were isolated individuals, they didn't represent their communities.

hell they even burned there farm tractors and stuff once they run off are murder the white farmer .

[DMac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1b74BdPfSQ

[DMac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeX8y0JQNqI

[Awoke]

Take heed to the videos posted. WTSHTF here in North American, the pigs will be beating the civilians on an ongoing basis. Just because.

[steyr_m]

Only one phrase -- "Enoch Powell was right"

[gunDriller]

seems like one simple legislative step would fix a lot of the recent muggings & crime - a 2nd Amendment for England - from Liverpool to London, from Scotland to the English Channel.

that would take care of a lot of the black on white & related crime.

then England could tackle Jew on Gentile crime, a much bigger problem.

[Horn]

Who's that dude in Dmac's avatar?

I'm about 2/3rds the way towards of looking exactly like that guy. O0

[Serpo]

A primary school worker, postman, a young dad, a boy, 11, ... all among the first looters fast-tracked through the courts




Courts sit through the night to handle high volume of offenders
Millionaire's daughter charged with taking £5,000 worth of electronic goods
Primary school worker admits burglary at Richer Sounds
Duo who made off with trolley full of power tools admit theft
New father caught in looted shop told police he 'needed nappies'
Convicted rioters warned they could lose council houses
London arrest figures up to 888 with 371 charged


By Chris Greenwood (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Chris+Greenwood)

Last updated at 10:41 AM on 11th August 2011



It was the day of reckoning for dozens of looters and rioters who have reduced our streets to lawlessness.

But while the trouble has been largely blamed on feral teenagers, many of those paraded before the courts yesterday led apparently respectable lives.

A postman, a primary school mentor, lifeguard, charity worker and a father of a newborn baby were among defendants appearing alongside schoolchildren and college students to answer charges ranging from theft to violent disorder.

Some wept, some grinned and others merely stood in blank defiance at the magistrates.





A very misguided youth: An 11-year-old boy walks from Highbury Magistrates Court with a woman, thought to be his mother, right. Left, the same boy outside the court carrying TWO mobile phones


The youngest looter was an 11-year-old boy who arrived at court in North London accompanied by his mother clutching a mobile phone in each hand. He was convicted of an unrelated offence only last week and is yet to begin his punishment.






One of the eldest defendants was a 35-year-old new father, who claimed he was trying to buy nappies when he was wrestled to the ground by police in a ransacked supermarket.

The majority of yesterday's suspects poured through courts in London but many more were expected in the dock over coming days in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Nottingham.
At one magistrates' court, staff were preparing to work through the night as cells overflowed and suspects were left sitting outside in a queue of police vans.

One official said there were 'mad scenes' as colleagues battled to deal with some of the 371 people charged by the Metropolitan Police.

Many of those in court were young men apparently caught red-handed with stolen TVs, laptops and mobile phones worth thousands of pounds.

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They were joined by supposedly respectable professionals and tradesmen whose lawyers said they had been caught up in a 'moment of madness' as anarchy took hold of the streets.

Some stood accused of attempting to incite rioting with incendiary messages on social networking sites.

Judges refused to grant bail in the majority of cases, telling suspects they must face a Crown Court judge who can impose stiffer punishments.

They were told they must remain behind bars to prevent them joining in fresh unrest.

In a handful of cases rioters were dealt with on the spot, including two rioters who were jailed in Manchester and a teenager set free after two days in the cells in the capital. But the vast majority were held in custody.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D60D26000000578-325_634x607.jpg Primary school worker Alexis Bailey walking away from court after admitting burglary

The primary school worker was among the first to be processed in court after the riots




Among those to appear in court were:


Millionaire's daughter: Laura Johnson, 19, was charged with stealing £5,000-worth of electronic goods including TVs and mobile phones

THE GRAMMAR GIRL: Millionaire's daughter Laura Johnson, 19, was charged with stealing £5,000-worth of electronic goods, including a Toshiba TV, Goodmans TV, microwave and mobile phones.

The goods were allegedly found in a car being driven by Miss Johnson after a branch of Comet in Charlton, south-east London, was raided.

Bexleyheath magistrates heard that a 'public order kit' of balaclava, gloves and a bandana was also found in the car.

Miss Johnson attended St Olave's Grammar School in Orpington, Kent, the fourth best performing state school in the country, after transferring from its sister school Newstead Wood.

She achieved A*s in French, English literature, classical civilisation and geography A-levels, and is now studying English and Italian at Exeter University.

Her parents, Robert and Lindsay Johnson, live in a large detached farmhouse in Orpington. It has extensive grounds and a tennis court. They sold their previous house, near Greenwich, for £930,000 in 2006.

Miss Johnson's parents, who supported her in court, run Avongate, a direct marketing company.

Her father is a businessman with directorships in several companies. He was a director in a company that took over the Daily Sport and Sunday Sport newspapers in 2007.

During her schooling, Miss Johnson offered her services as a tutor. On a website she wrote: 'I was a student at Newstead Wood School for girls and gained four A*s and nine A grades at GCSE.'

Miss Johnson indicated a plea of not guilty to five counts of burglary and was granted bail on condition that she does not associate with the two men allegedly found with her.

She must wear an electronic tag, submit to a curfew between 7pm and 6am and not enter any London postcode. She is due to return to court on September 21.
Camberwell Green magistrates heard that a 17-year-old and Alexander Elliot-Joahill, 18, were allegedly passengers in the car. Both were denied bail and will next appear on September 7.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024396-0D62956A00000578-267_634x384.jpg Country pile: Laura Johnson's home in Orpington which has extensive grounds and a tennis court






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Defiant: Richard Myles-Palmer, left, and Jason White, right, both pleaded guilty to theft after they were caught in possession of a shopping trolley full of looted power tools


THE 11-YEAR-OLD: The boy from Romford, Essex, is the youngest person to appear in the dock over the riots.

Brought to Highbury Corner magistrates court by his mother, he admitted stealing a £50 waste bin from a branch of Debenhams. He was arrested on Monday evening with a mob of other children reaching through a broken window.

It emerged it was not the child's first experience with the courts as he was already on a 'referral order' for another, unrelated offence.

Charges of violent disorder were dropped, and he was released on bail under a 6pm-6am curfew. He may leave his home only if accompanied by a family member.

Leaving court, the boy set off alone down the street, before his aunt and mother chased after him, dragging him back by the scruff of his neck.

His mother screamed and swore at the media and was later seen shouting at her son.

THE SCHOOL MENTOR: Alexis Bailey, 31, who works at Stockwell Primary School, was allegedly caught raiding an electrical store in Croydon.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D60EFCC00000578-310_634x468.jpg Damage: Byron Cawley and his friend Shourov Choudhury, both 19, pleaded guilty to looting this Iceland store in Croydon. Brothers Samuel and Michael Caillaux denied ransacking the shop



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D5B62E100000578-321_634x415.jpg Looted: The battered shop front of an Argos store in Surrey Street, Croydon. The area was hit hard by rioters, some of whom have appeared in court

THE CHARITY WORKER: Barry Naine, 42, who works for a St Mungo's homeless hostel in Lewisham, appeared in court charged with burglary.

He is accused of breaking into Primark in Peckham and was remanded in custody.

THE POSTMAN: Jeffrey Ebanks, 32, and his student nephew Jamal Ebanks, 18, were allegedly caught in a car stuffed with electrical goods near a looted Croydon superstore. The teenager, who admitted burglary, claimed he had been 'led astray' by his uncle.

THE SCHOOLBOY: Alexander McQuarrie, 16, from Ibrox, in Glasgow, was remanded in custody over claims he attempted to incite others to riot by setting up a Facebook group entitled 'Let's start a riot in Glasgow'.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D5D425E00000578-952_634x352.jpg Wanted: Police are hunting the two girls pictured who are suspected of looting a Richer Sounds electrical store in South End, Croydon



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D5D426D00000578-382_306x423.jpg
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Caught on camera: This woman and man are also wanted by police after appearing to loot from the Richer Sounds store which is close to the Iceland supermarket which two men admitted to looting





THE NEW FATHER: Jason Matthews, 35, was arrested in a branch of Tesco in East Dulwich, South London, on Monday night.

Wearing a bandana over his face, he told police he 'was not one of the bad ones' and had gone out to get nappies.

THE FRAUDSTER: Two looters caught with a trolley laden with power tools worth £1,500 told police they did not care if they were stolen.

Convicted fraudster and thief Richard Myles-Palmer, 19, and friend Jason White, 22, were arrested in Southwark. The pair admitted theft and were told they face jail.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D5B99F000000578-283_634x388.jpg Hands full: Youths spill out of a ransacked Poundland store in Peckham clutching crisps and fizzy drinks among other things






Wanted: Youths loot a Carhartt store in Hackney, and right, a local chemist in Croydon is stripped bare before police moved in to secure the area

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THUGS COULD LOSE THEIR HOUSES


Thugs caught looting and rioting could be thrown out of their social housing, a council said today.

Westminster Council hopes to kick out tenants who have been in mobs smashing windows and breaking into shops.

Housing minister Grant Shapps has backed moves to evict tenants who have taken part in criminal and anti-social behaviour but lawyers have said it may not be that easy.

The council must show that the disorder happened in the immediate area around the property - and the individual must have been found guilty in the crown court.

Jonathan Glanz, Westminster Council cabinet member for housing, told the Guardian: 'Social housing isn't a right, it's a privilege and if people abuse that privilege then in common with anyone else they should face the consequences.

'Families have to take responsibly for children living in their households, and we have a responsibility to our communities at large.

'Many people living in these communities are playing by the rules and were not involved in criminal activity over the last few nights. They wouldn't want to live next door to people who are getting away with bad behaviour and enjoying the privilege.'


THE STUDENTS: A teenager who received taxpayer funding to complete his studies walked free after admitting stealing two Burberry T-shirts from a Hackney shop.

IT student David Attoh, 18, was told the two days he had spent in cells should serve as his punishment.

Adam Ozdas, 19, was stopped by police in Hackney while carrying a bottle of Southern Comfort, National Lottery scratchcards, tobacco, cash and sweets. The Hackney student claimed he found the goods and was on his way to a police station to hand them in.

Jack Onslow, 18, admitted raiding a Bethnal Green shop. The East Ham College student, who aspires to be a hairdresser, was found hiding in a fashion store.

THE DRUG DEALER: Haramein Mohammed, a 25-year-old convicted drug dealer, was caught trying to steal from a Costco warehouse in Walthamstow after being released from prison on licence.

THE LIFEGUARD: Aaron Mulholland, 30, who works at Peckham Pulse health club, wept as he appeared in court accused of joining thieves at Foneworld store in Camberwell.

His lawyer said he had 'learned his lesson' after spending two nights in a cell and was 'absolutely disgusted' with himself.

THE SCAFFOLDER: Christopher Heart, 23, shouted he was 'sorry for the inconvenience' and broke down in tears after admitting burglary.

The father of two was caught in JD Sports in Hackney.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024396/London-riots-2011-looters-court-Primary-school-worker-postman-dad-boy-11.html#ixzz1Um0cQziz

[Golden]

Yawn. Wake me when it's City of London.

[osoab]

Who's that dude in Dmac's avatar?

I'm about 2/3rds the way towards of looking exactly like that guy. O0

It looks like Ben Bernanke melded with Harry from Harry and the Henderson's.

[osoab]

APNewsBreak: Facial recognition in use after riots (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_HUNTING_FOR_RIOTERS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-11-11-48-37)


LONDON (AP) -- Facial recognition technology being considered for London's 2012 Games is getting a workout in the wake of Britain's riots, a senior police chief told The Associated Press on Thursday, with officers feeding photographs of suspects through Scotland Yard's newly updated face-matching program.

Chief Constable Andy Trotter of the British Transport Police said the sophisticated software was being used to help find those suspected of being involved in the worst unrest London has seen in a generation.

But he cautioned that facial recognition makes up only a fraction of the police force's efforts, saying tips have mostly come from traditional sources, such as still images captured from closed circuit cameras, pictures gathered by officers, footage shot by police helicopters or images snapped by members of the public. One department was driving around a large video screen displaying images of suspects.

"There's a mass of evidence out there," Trotter said in a telephone interview.

"The public are so enraged that people who wouldn't normally come forward are helping us - especially when they see their neighbors are coming back with brand new TVs."

Prime Minister David Cameron acknowledged Thursday that police were overwhelmed by rioting that began over the weekend in London and spread across the country over four days. Mobs of youths looted stores, set buildings aflame and attacked police officers and other people - a chaotic and humbling scene for a city a year away from hosting the Olympic Games.

At an emergency session of Parliament summoned to discuss the riots, Cameron said authorities were considering new powers, including allowing police to order thugs to remove masks or hoods, evicting troublemakers from subsidized housing and temporarily disabling cell phone instant messaging services. He said the 16,000 police deployed on London's streets to deter rioters and reassure residents would remain through the weekend.

A press officer with Scotland Yard - who also spoke anonymously, in line with force policy - confirmed that facial recognition technology was at the police's disposal, although he gave few other details. He said that generally the technology would only be used to help identify those suspected of serious crimes, such as assault, and that in most cases disseminating photographs to the general public remains a far cheaper and more effective way of finding suspects.

The facial-recognition technology used by police treats the human face like a grid, measuring the distance between a person's nose, eyes, lips and other features. It has recently been upgraded, according to an article published last year in Scotland Yard's bimonthly magazine, "The Job."

The March 2010 article said that the new program has been shown to work far better than older versions of the technology, with one expert quoted as saying that it had shown promise in identifying people from high-quality, face-on shots taken off of surveillance photographs, mobile phones, passports or the Internet.

A law enforcement official told the AP that to use the technology "you have to have a good picture of a suspect and it is only useful if you have something to match it against. In other words, the suspect already has to have a previous criminal record."

He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss ongoing investigations.

In another effort to identify suspects, police have released two dozen photos and videos to the picture-sharing website Flickr, where they've already gathered more than 400,000 hits. Some of those photographs have also been published by Britain's brash tabloid press. The Sun recently plastered them across its front page, along with a headline urging readers to report looters to the police.

The photographs on Flickr are mainly grainy images pulled from cameras, which may not be of much use to face-matching software. But detectives are already scanning the Web for pictures of high-quality photographs of rioters' faces, according to photojournalist Guilherme Zauith, who witnessed some of the disturbances in London and later posted images of clashes to the Internet.

Zauith said he was recently contacted by a London detective "saying that they saw my photos online and if I could send it to them to help to identify the people."

"They were looking for all kind of photographs showing faces," he said. Zauith, a 30-year-old Brazilian national, said he turned the photos over to the detective.
The West Midlands police were trying another approach: driving a van equipped with a large screen displaying 50 images of suspects through Birmingham.

Police said the "Digi-Van" will stop at key locations around the city to give shoppers and commuters a good look at the photographs in hopes they can help identify suspects.

Facial recognition technology is already widely employed by free-to-use websites such as Facebook and Google Inc.'s Picasa photo-sharing program.

Such programs have been of increasing interest to authorities as well. A person with the Olympic planning committee, speaking to the AP on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of security preparations, said that facial recognition software was being considered for use as a security measure during the Olympic Games.

Meanwhile, detectives are employing a host of other tactics to take aim at the rioters. Police departments across the country have made arrests linked to riot threats and boasts posted to social networking sites.

Trotter said that while investigations had been helped by looters "who publicize their actions on things like Facebook," a lot of arrests have come the old-fashioned way, through officers simply spotting suspects they'd seen before.
"It's not just the face that is recognizable," Trotter said. "It's been in the way they walk, or the clothes they're wearing or even tattoos."
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London police department's Flickr gallery of riot suspects: http://flic.kr/s/aHsjvBtGtF
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Paisley Dodds can be reached at: http://twitter.com/paisleydodds
Raphael G. Satter can be reached at: http://twitter.com/razhael
I think I am going to go sign up for facepuke and post my photos all over it now. ::)

[mick silver]

time to buy some ski mask . before they outlaw them

[muffin]

time to buy some ski mask . before they outlaw them

Learn to knit. Or I could knit you one!

http://www.hjsstudio.com/redbala.html


674

Knitting probably isn't a bad thing to know how to do. At least you would always have socks, sweaters, hats, gloves, etc when TSHTF... (as long as you have yarn.)

[Horn]

It looks like Ben Bernanke melded with Harry from Harry and the Henderson's.

I could be a Banker!

[mick silver]

The London Riots and How They Will be Used to the Elite’s Advantage ... http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/lindquist/london-riots-and-how-they-will-be-used-elite-s-advantage

[Serpo]

Fire victims told by banks: You must still pay your mortgage

By Becky Barrow (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Becky+Barrow) and Inderdeep Bains (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Inderdeep+Bains)

Last updated at 7:54 AM on 12th August 2011


Britain's banking giants were slammed yesterday for refusing to help the innocent victims of the riots.
For many, the iconic image of the violence was the burning Carpetright building in Tottenham, North London, and the flats above the shop.
But it emerged yesterday that residents whose homes were gutted in the blaze are still being forced to pay their mortgage.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-0-0D56853400000578-775_468x382.jpg Wrecked: The burnt out shell of Tottenham's Carpetright building. Residents of the flats above have been denied a break in mortgage payments

Speaking exclusively to the Daily Mail, the housing association's chief executive said he is 'livid' and 'appalled by' the banks' behaviour.
Bill Payne, 56, said: 'The country came to the assistance of the banks when the industry was collapsing. It does not leave a pleasant taste in the mouth that they won't come to our help now.
'I think their behaviour is hard-nosed, insensitive and immoral.'


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'Britain is great': Malaysian student mugged by 'Good Samaritans' says he feels sorry for his attackers (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024980/Ashraf-Rossli-Malaysian-student-mugged-London-riots-thinks-UK-great.html)
You're a disgrace: As clamour grows to strip rioters of benefits and council homes, judge jailing looters captures the anger of the nation (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025066/UK-RIOTS-2011-Youre-disgrace-country.html)
Tough sentences? Forget it. These teen yobs will be treated as if THEY'RE the victims (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024943/UK-RIOTS-David-Camerons-tough-sentences-Yobs-treated-THEYRE-victims.html)
A shrine for three 'brothers': Against all odds, peace is restored to Birmingham streets where men died (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024991/Birmingham-riots-Against-odds-peace-restored-streets-3-men-died.html)
Organic chef and an opera steward: How the well-heeled joined the downtrodden in looting spree (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025017/LONDON-RIOTS-The-heeled-join-downtrodden-looting-spree.html)
Unmask the thugs! Looters will no longer be able to cover up, says PM as he also promises a crackdown on social media AND cash for the rioters' victims (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024780/UK-riots-2011-David-Cameron-promises-social-media-crackdown-AND-cash-victims.html)
We're coming to get the looters, every single one, vow raid police (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024941/LONDON-RIOTS-Were-coming-looters-vow-raid-police.html)
Olympic ambassador 'hurled bricks at police car' and led attack on Vodafone store during riots - and was shopped to police by her mum (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024952/London-riots-2011-Olympic-ambassador-Chelsea-Ives-18-led-Enfield-Vodafone-attack.html)
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One victim, who has lost everything, said she is 'disgusted' by the way she has been treated by her bank.
Mr Payne runs Metropolitan Housing Partnership, which operates the 26 shared ownership flats in the block.
Under this scheme, the homeowner has a mortgage for a percentage of the property, and pays rent to the housing association for the rest of it.
Many of the victims have called their bank to ask to be let off paying their mortgage for a month or two to give them some breathing space.
And many have been refused, a response that he found staggering given the terrible trauma which they have suffered.
It comes at a time when they will need every spare bit of money to replace goods destroyed in Saturday's fire, even if they are covered by insurance in the long term.
'I think their behaviour is hard-nosed, insensitive and immoral'


Bill Payne, housing association chief

Some are also losing out on income because they are too traumatised to return to work. Mr Payne said he had immediately decided to waive all the rent which the residents of the block, River Heights, were due to pay him.
He is also paying their hotel bills, and doing everything else possible to assist the residents, who include families with young children.
He said: 'They are calling the banks to say, “My home has been burned to the ground”.
'And the bank just says, “You've got to keep paying your mortgage. It is up to you to pay”.'
Earlier in the week, Rosie Patousa, who lived in one of the flats, told how she managed to escape the burning building with minutes to spare.
She said: 'I saw flames coming up the building. As we were trying to get out alive, a white man was coming out of Carpetright with a rug over his shoulder, laughing.'
She said she managed to leave the area with just the clothes on her back.

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During emergency meetings of the residents, organised by MHP, Mr Payne said residents have been in tears, shaking and hugging each other.
Mr Payne added: 'There are people who are not sure if they can ever go back to work because they are so traumatised.'
One female resident left homeless by the fire has spoken of her outrage at her mortgage lender, Woolwich, part of Barclays.
Despite losing her home and all her belongings in the arson attack, she is being forced to keep up with her £661 monthly payments for her flat.
The woman in her 20s, who is staying with relatives, said: 'I asked Woolwich for a payment holiday.
'I wasn't trying to get out of paying my mortgage. I just wanted a month or two so I could get myself sorted because the flat has been destroyed and I've been left homeless.
'They just refused to help because they didn't feel the fact that the flat is not even there was a valid reason.
'I think it is disgusting. The whole country can see what we've been through. You would expect some compassion at a time like this. We've all been left homeless and everything we've owned has gone.
'You would expect the banking industry, who the people of this country have bailed out time and time again, would show us a little compassion.'

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Other residents have declined to be named as they speak out about their difficulties with mortgage-lenders in fear of provoking further ill-treatment.
Some residents have been more fortunate, with their bank immediately offering to help.
Yesterday a spokesman for Barclays said: 'We are dealing with it on a case by case basis, and we are obviously being sympathetic.'
A spokesman for the Association of British Insurers confirmed a homeowner is legally obliged to continue paying their mortgage, even if the flat burns down.
Their buildings insurance, which is a legal requirement for everybody who has a mortgage, only covers the rebuild costs of the property.
Mr Payne said it is likely to take about two years to rebuild the River Heights block of flats.
But he said many residents have told him that they have no intention of returning because it would bring back such terrible memories.

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