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madfranks
10th August 2011, 07:42 AM
http://mises.org/daily/5515/Saved-by-a-TrillionDollar-Coin

http://images.mises.org/5515/PlatinumCoin.jpg

Now that the "crisis" over the federal debt ceiling has been averted, we can leisurely explore two of the wackier proposals that emerged during the state of panic. Not surprisingly, the schemes involved the Federal Reserve and its ability to circumvent, not just standard accounting, but also the traditional divisions of political power. It's worth studying the episode carefully because we will probably see one or more of these "solutions" promoted as the only answer to another crisis in the not-too-distant future.

Bernanke and Geithner Don't Need No Stinkin' Debt-Ceiling Increase

Late last week, when more and more analysts contemplated the horror of a US government default and partial shutdown, Jack Balkin — a professor of constitutional law at Yale — outlined strategies that the White House could use to evade the pesky borrowing ceiling imposed by a fickle Congress:


Are there other ways for the president to raise money besides borrowing?

Sovereign governments such as the United States can print new money. However, there's a statutory limit to the amount of paper currency that can be in circulation at any one time.

Ironically, there's no similar limit on the amount of coinage. A little-known statute gives the secretary of the Treasury the authority to issue platinum coins in any denomination. So some commentators have suggested that the Treasury create two $1 trillion coins, deposit them in its account in the Federal Reserve and write checks on the proceeds.

The government can also raise money through sales: For example, it could sell the Federal Reserve an option to purchase government property for $2 trillion. The Fed would then credit the proceeds to the government's checking account. Once Congress lifts the debt ceiling, the president could buy back the option for a dollar, or the option could simply expire in 90 days. And there are probably other ways that the Fed could achieve a similar result, by analogy to its actions during the 2008 financial crisis, when it made huge loans and purchases to bail out the financial sector.

The "jumbo coin" and "exploding option" strategies work because modern central banks don't have to print bills or float debt to create new money; they just add money to their customers' checking accounts.These suggestions should horrify anyone who understands the importance of sound money. Not only are the proposals themselves preposterous, but the mere fact that they are being discussed is a symptom of the cultural decadence wrought by the government and the Fed's responses to the 2008 financial crisis.

More at link... (http://mises.org/daily/5515/Saved-by-a-TrillionDollar-Coin)

midnight rambler
10th August 2011, 07:55 AM
Why not 'pay' the interest 'owed' to the Fed with those 'high value' coins?

palani
10th August 2011, 08:05 AM
Sovereign governments such as the United States can print new money.

This guys comments can be thrown out with just the first article. The United States never has been and never will be a sovereign government. Neither are the Swiss Federation or the British Commonwealth. These are federations of independent states and as such the federation can not ever be sovereign.

Twisted Titan
10th August 2011, 08:24 AM
well Fed just gave a 16 Trillion dollars for free to anybody that asked....may as well throw something in the deal that has intrisic value

sirgonzo420
10th August 2011, 08:53 AM
This guys comments can be thrown out with just the first article. The United States never has been and never will be a sovereign government. Neither are the Swiss Federation or the British Commonwealth. These are federations of independent states and as such the federation can not ever be sovereign.

The UNITED STATES is sovereign over UNITED STATES citizens, possessions and territories.

gunDriller
10th August 2011, 09:32 AM
Why not 'pay' the interest 'owed' to the Fed with those 'high value' coins?

there is enormous legal justification for seizing the private assets of 100,000's of banksters - since it was acquired by de-frauding investors.


side-note -

10^6 = 1 million

10^9 = 1 billion

10^12 = 1 trillion.

Joe King
10th August 2011, 10:33 AM
These suggestions should horrify anyone who understands the importance of sound money.Yea they would, if we were talking about using them in an honest monetary system, but we're not.
We're talking about a "funny munny" system.

So why not play along as though it's real, and give them our own funny munny?



Not only are the proposals themselves preposterous, but the mere fact that they are being discussed is a symptom of the cultural decadence wrought by the government and the Fed's responses to the 2008 financial crisis.

More at link... (http://mises.org/daily/5515/Saved-by-a-TrillionDollar-Coin)

Here's a better idea.

What if there were a legitimate way to "pay" the debt back at approx 10cents on the dollar, right now?

There is.

If the gov were to mint Sacagawea Golden Dollar coins in sufficient qty, those could be used to pay off a large portion of the debt at the cost of the coins production.

It'd only take, for example, a little over $500billion to produce enough to pay a full third of the debt.

Mint them, roll, them, and deliver them to the Fed.

These are already being minted and are accepted everywhere, same as a frn is.


????

TheNocturnalEgyptian
10th August 2011, 10:43 AM
Are there other ways for the president to raise money besides borrowing?


Laughter is heard.

DMac
10th August 2011, 10:44 AM
Yea they would, if we were talking about using them in an honest monetary system, but we're not.
We're talking about a "funny munny" system.

So why not play along as though it's real, and give them our own funny munny?




Here's a better idea.

What if there were a legitimate way to "pay" the debt back at approx 10cents on the dollar, right now?

There is.

If the gov were to mint Sacagawea Golden Dollar coins in sufficient qty, those could be used to pay off a large portion of the debt at the cost of the coins production.

It'd only take, for example, a little over $500billion to produce enough to pay a full third of the debt.

Mint them, roll, them, and deliver them to the Fed.

These are already being minted and are accepted everywhere, same as a frn is.


????

Because that would be an increase of over 25% in actual currency, per latest FRB M1 statistics. Massive inflation would follow.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/

Joe King
10th August 2011, 11:00 AM
So that means those green arrows at the top of the page would go up, right?

If so, fine by me.

After all, a hyperinflation would finish killing off the current monetary system and isn't that what we actually want?

mamboni
10th August 2011, 11:10 AM
When I read the thread title, I thought it was about a woman with children and one thin American dime, in Zimbabwe, who was able to buy food with her $trillion dollar coin.

DMac
10th August 2011, 11:24 AM
When I read the thread title, I thought it was about a woman with children and one thin American dime, in Zimbabwe, who was able to buy food with her $trillion dollar coin.

A dollar goes a long way in Zimbabwe!

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/180799/thumbs/s-ZIMBABWE-WASHING-DOLLARS-large.jpg

Serpo
10th August 2011, 04:00 PM
well Fed just gave a 16 Trillion dollars for free to anybody that asked....may as well throw something in the deal that has intrisic value

Thats going a bit far isnt it...........................