pm from Dennis to Ponce and from Ponce to Dennis......TB2000.

[Ponce]

I don't want to be where there is no free speech.....I wonder how long before I will have to leave the US.
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From Dennis..........

l then, my suggestion is to not post that kind of material. Because Israel, despite its shortcomings, is a staunch US ally. We have a shared culture overall (which is not true of the ISraelis and the ChiComs). I disagree that the Israelis would buddy up to them, at least willingly. If we abandoned them however, their own national interest would dictate that they link up with annother nation. I have no idea what nation that might be, though in that event, it could well be the ChiComs.

You can be as anti-Zionist as you like. I don't mind. But at least try to keep that to yourself on TB. I'd appreciate it.

As to the Palis, well, they bring it on themselves by blowing up innocent people.

BTW, I have stated on the forum many times that IMO the UN decree establishing Israel by "administrative fiat" was illegal, and that if the UN did that to the US, there'd be a huge fight. For example, what if the UN established a Palestinian nation in the middle of, say, Texas? Think the Texans might have something to say about that? And you think they might do it via force of arms? You betcha. So I have always seen the Palestinians' issues. However, it goes far beyond just wanting a homeland. The Palis and other muzzie scum want to kill every last Jew and wipe Israel off the planet. So in that regard, the Israelis have ample justification to be hostile toward them.

But I am as against "American Nationalism" (the neo-con movement) as I am "Israeli Nationalism" (the Zionist movement). Both are very, very bad things.

Dennis

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From Ponce.......

Jesus H Ponce, I din't know that you felt that way about the Zionists who are killing the Pals and stealing their land. and screwing up the US in any way that they can......How many Pals have the Zionist killed compared to how many Zionist have the Pals killed in defending their land?.........................sorry to say that sinse you feel this way I don't feel that you really want me at your site.

You know what this site is like?........like someone sitting at a table with a mirrow infront of him and talking to himself......the diversite of free speech is what makes the world go around and NOT the one tracked mind, that I now know that you have, that makes it ILLEGAL to talk against the Zionist.

I still admired you and I think that you are a very down to Earth person.....anyway, so long and good luck with your site........don't bother to answer me sinse I won't be coming here anymore.......please remove my name from the site.........ciao amici.

[StreetsOfGold]

No ponce, that land belongs to Israel, it always has since God gave it to Abraham. You are fighting against God... essentially and that's always a losing battle.
God has PERSERVED the Jews throughout history and has been in the process of allocating the wealth of the world from the Gentiles to the Jews (Rothschild mean anything to you?) You cannot stop it just like you cannot stop the One world government from coming into being with the Anti-Christ at it's head. Your only hope is in the very Messiah that Israel rejected (Acts 7) but will finally recongize at the END of the tribulation. You, as a gentile can "get in" NOW by trusting in him NOW as YOUR saviour NOW.
2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

[Ares]

Why would I want to recognize a god that has decreed the jews as his chosen people?

I want no part of a god that picks favorites.

[Ponce]

Hahahahahahaahah, tell you what, show me the pink slip of ownership that God gave the Jews as tittle for the land of Palestine and I'll cut my dick, wear a benny cap and bang my head against my garage door while saying "Oi Vey, Oi Vey, why me?, why me?, the whole world hates me".................yours always........Ponce, God Jr in training.

[Ponce]

Ares? that's why I quit TB200, they have "favorites".......

[Ares]

Ares? that's why I quit TB200, they have "favorites".......

Pretty much my philosophy as well. If god decreed those worthless human beings as his chosen then send me off the hell. I want no part of his kingdom.

[DMac]

Hahahahahahaahah, tell you what, show me the pink slip of ownership that God gave the Jews as tittle for the land of Palestine and I'll cut my dick, wear a benny cap and bang my head against my garage door while saying "Oi Vey, Oi Vey, why me?, why me?, the whole world hates me".................yours always........Ponce, God Jr in training.


Ponce that was hilarious

[ximmy]

There's a book called
Whose Land? Whose Promise?: What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians. Gary Burge

The author goes through biblical texts to show that the land belongs to the Christians... and because the majority of Palestinians are Christian the land belongs to them. ~ximmy

From the Author:

The thesis of the book is simple: if Israel is making a Biblical, theological claim to the Land, then it must also uphold Biblical standards of nation-building and justice. Both modern Israeli writers and Christians committed to justice see grave shortcomings in this country that was to be a "light to the gentiles." They recognize that Judaism holds precious ideals of justice and truth within its heritage. But the current political program of Israel's government is neglecting them.

[Spectrism]

Why would I want to recognize a god that has decreed the jews as his chosen people?

I want no part of a god that picks favorites.

You are missing some rich history. God talked with Noah. Nobody else would listen and obey. Did God pick a favorite in Noah & his family? Sure, I guess so.

God found faith in Abram. From Abram, two lines were blessed. The better blessing went to the line of Isaac. That blessing was not just the land.... although that was part. Thew line of Messiah was the real value. But look what happened to the Israelites when they rejected God. BAM! Smack down! God has made a way for any to be His favorites. Are you listening?

[vacuum]

God put the jewish people in a position of high responsibility. They screwed up, and now face a high level of punishment. I'm sure we will be glad we weren't the "favorites" soon enough.

[Ponce]

I haven't seen any real evidence of anything "holy" about the Bible.......to me the Bible is a history book that shows the way it was then...........is as if someone were to write a book about the US as country and then added the pleticians for flavor.

[Spectrism]

I haven't seen any real evidence of anything "holy" about the Bible.......to me the Bible is a history book that shows the way it was then...........is as if someone were to write a book about the US as country and then added the pleticians for flavor.

If I gave you a book written in Chinese or with ink that reflected light wavelengths beyond your optical receptors would it make any sense to you? The bible is written in code and only those who have ears to hear can see it.

[Ares]

If I gave you a book written in Chinese or with ink that reflected light wavelengths beyond your optical receptors would it make any sense to you? The bible is written in code and only those who have ears to hear can see it.

That part always troubled me. Why would god who wants his word to be heard by his creation put his teachings in code?

[Dogman]

If I gave you a book written in Chinese or with ink that reflected light wavelengths beyond your optical receptors would it make any sense to you? The bible is written in code and only those who have ears to hear can see it. Or use a


CAPTAIN MIDNIGHT DECODER RING!

http://www.knitgrrl.com/images/secretdecoderring.jpg


;D

[JohnQPublic]

On who "owns" Israel:

Who or What is “Israel”? (http://catholicintl.com/index.php/component/content/article/52-theology/77-who-or-what-is-israel-)



"The Jews are no longer “God’s covenant people” because they have no exclusive covenant with God. Their exclusive covenant with God was established with Moses, but that has been superseded by the New Covenant in Christ (Heb 7:18; 10:9). The New Covenant is for both Jew and Gentile, and therefore it is not an exclusive covenant for Jews and it has nothing to do with fulfilling land promises to the Jews in Israel today. All the land promises to the Jews have been fulfilled (Neh 9:7-8 ) and any future promises to “David” or “Israel” have been fulfilled by the Church (Acts 15:16-18; Heb 10:16-18 ) and those that have not been completely fulfilled will be fulfilled in the New Heaven and New Earth (Heb 10:39-40; 2Peter 3:10-13), not in a piece of real estate in the Middle East."

[StreetsOfGold]

show me the pink slip of ownership that God gave the Jews as tittle for the land of Palestine and I'll cut my dick, wear a benny cap and bang my head against my garage door while saying "Oi Vey, Oi Vey, why me?, why me?, the whole world hates me".................yours always........Ponce, God Jr in training.
That "pink slip" is called the Bible and it's been around for thousands of years and in thousands of languages. Please, don't cut those parts off, they come in handy :)

[Spectrism]

That part always troubled me. Why would god who wants his word to be heard by his creation put his teachings in code?

This world is enemy territory. The escape from this world is not by strength, cleverness, money, or popularity. God has set up a very simple qualification for captives to be set free- faith. Faith is untouchable by demons or the devil. The evil ones can win in every other contest. But they cannot beat humans in faith. Faith has two important aspects. An object which is fully trustworthy, and trust which is active.

There is a spiritual battlefield here. God will reign supreme here after this allowance of evil has run its course. The devil is kept guessing things. So are we... as we are only allowed to know what we need to know.

[mick silver]

again thanks for this forum . for being able to say what we all feel and think

[Awoke]

Since Christ came, we are all Children of god, jew and gentile alike.

What you guys are assuming is genuine zionism is nothing more than Satan carrying out his attempted usurpation of the holy land in the disguise of jewish zionism.

Watch for the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. I doubt the Rockefellers and the rest are truely jews from the lines of israel. I suspect they are all satanic imposters.

[Spectrism]

Since Christ came, we are all Children of god, jew and gentile alike.

What you guys are assuming is genuine zionism is nothing more than Satan carrying out his attempted usurpation of the holy land in the disguise of jewish zionism.

Watch for the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. I doubt the Rockefellers and the rest are truely jews from the lines of israel. I suspect they are all satanic imposters.



we are NOT all Children of god

To presume that all are saved is contradictory to scripture. Salvation is by faith. Those who reject Messiah have no salvation as they have no faith.

[Ponce]

If I need ears in order to be able to read the Bible then to hell with it, a true book should be for everyone and not just for those who can hear.......the same as this site where everyone is more than welcome to post.

Street? how can anyone cut the Bible when it came from many cultures over hundred and hundred of years?, the Bible is not only about Christo but about the way that the world is, that shows that no matter who we are we are still brothers.....the collection of stories in the Bible was done in such a way that, I believe, is supposed to favor a race of people and not as it was supposed to be written for all races around the world........uffffffff that was cool, I really must be God Jr in training :)

[JDRock]

Pretty much my philosophy as well. If god decreed those worthless human beings as his chosen then send me off the hell. I want no part of his kingdom.
i dunno, it gives me hope, that with all MY screwups he could still love ME somehow.

[iOWNme]

i dunno, it gives me hope, that with all MY screwups he could still love ME somehow.

With all of your screwups, DO YOU LOVE YOURSELF?

[Ares]

i dunno, it gives me hope, that with all MY screwups he could still love ME somehow.

The creator from my own personal understanding is all loving. I try with my human mind to put myself in the creators "shoes". I know an IMPOSSIBLE task, but put that in relation to my daughter, I could never condemn her for whatever she decides to do with her life. As a father I love her unconditionally. I have a feeling the creators love is the same for us.

[freespirit]

JDR---
your new avatar is awesome! love it! lol
not sure i remember that particular book from my cat in the hat series though...lmao!!

[Eyebone]

Jeez, addressing the original point of this thread, it's enlightening to see how "friends" of isreal use every tactic from censorship to threats of eternal damnation to support their chosen people, hail Jeeboo.

[Joe King]

If I gave you a book written in Chinese or with ink that reflected light wavelengths beyond your optical receptors would it make any sense to you? The bible is written in code and only those who have ears to hear can see it.


That part always troubled me. Why would god who wants his word to be heard by his creation put his teachings in code?

Because to spell it out it such a way that makes it clear beyond all doubt puts you back to being a mindless automaton only doing what you are programmed to do.
ie coulda had that right from the get-go. lol

[Ponce]

Almost forgot......the way that the whole thing got started was the Deniss asked me to start posting article in TB2000, looks to me like if he has been sneaking here.........I told him that many would not like it very much because some of the articles would be about the Zionist and the state of Israel and that "Christian for Israel" (a mod) would probably kicked me out as he has done four times at different sites.

[Serpo]

The Jews chose themselves as no one else would chose them ,and this is part of their selfish nature................

In fact it is my conviction that they are the un -chosen people.

[Spectrism]

If you are going to be an expert on the Jews and Zionism, yet you have no clue what the Torah or Bible are about, you discredit yourself.

If you cannot hear the words, maybe they aren't meant for you. Ever tell someone something important and then shortly thereafter, they say you never told them? Selective hearing. If you value the speaker, you will value the words. If you ignore the words, you ignore the speaker.

God has spoken to ALL of you but most ignore Him. In your foolhardy proud insistance that you are smarter than God, you pluck out your own eyes and puncture your own ears to show how independent you are.

[Ponce]

The more that we learn about "them" the more scared that they will be of us.....

How do we know where we are going?
if we don't know where we have been?
because to go to the future we must
know the past, and the road of the past
is the same road that will lead us to the future.........Ponce

[Joe King]

What if you look at the past road, find where you followed the wrong road, then correct your mistake by turning down the right road??

[Spectrism]

The more that we learn about "them" the more scared that they will be of us.....

How do we know where we are going?
if we don't know where we have been?
because to go to the future we must
know the past, and the road of the past
is the same road that will lead us to the future.........Ponce

How do we know where we are going?
if we don't know where we have been?

If I blindfold you and drive you for 3 hours and then drop you off in a totally unknown place, you can't know whewre you are going? That is just dumb words strung together.


because to go to the future we must
know the past, and the road of the past
is the same road that will lead us to the future

Only if you like going around in circles.

[Serpo]

[I]
Only if you like going around in circles.


Like this thread is beginning to do

[Ponce]

No one can talk for God and the Torah was only written by man that he (man) then made holy......the true God doesn't need a spokeperson or a church to grace it......you should know when you have done something right or something wrong and you don't need a preacher to tell you so.........the only real expertise that I have on the Zionists is the one that they themselves have shown me by their actions.......but more than "knowing" about them, for some reason, I can feel them..... and what I feel is dirty and deadly.

[Ponce]

Joe? you only know that because you were able to compare where you have been to where you are at......so that once again the past influences your future............always remember that you are blind and you don't see and that you know what is going on only because your braid analyses what comes from your eyes.....so that you are really looking with your brain and not your eyes...................................a water hose does nothing but to transport water, a road does nothing but to carry cars, railroads track does nothing but to carry trains.........your eyes are the water hose, the road and the railroad tracks.

[Serpo]

Cant help but agree with Ponce ....throw away the books......read human nature instead

[skid]

I'm with Ponce as well. I don't need a coded bible that only a few special chosen geniuses can interpret correctly to know right or wrong. Especially one with "chosen" people in it...

[Spectrism]

I'm with Ponce as well. I don't need a coded bible that only a few special chosen geniuses can interpret correctly to know right or wrong. Especially one with "chosen" people in it...

How I wrote words so plainly to you in this thread and you display your inability to see what is right in front of you! You make my case.

I stated clearly that it is not the clever that are saved, but those of faith. Simple enough for small children. Impossible for those who are demons or sold to the devil. The heart condition makes faith unable to dwell with those hardened to truth and preferring lies. Your choice. Your destiny.

[skid]

lol Whatever...

[Ponce]

Like I wrote somewhere......."When I think about the word "God" I simply smile and feel good about it".....and that says it all about how I feel about the religion that was made by man for man.

Man creates their own Gods and Saints out of plaster, put them on a pedestal and then kneel before them to ask for something.

What man makes man can destroy but what you created with your heart will last even after you are dead.

[joboo]

If you are going to be an expert on the Jews and Zionism, yet you have no clue what the Torah or Bible are about, you discredit yourself.

If you cannot hear the words, maybe they aren't meant for you. Ever tell someone something important and then shortly thereafter, they say you never told them? Selective hearing. If you value the speaker, you will value the words. If you ignore the words, you ignore the speaker.

God has spoken to ALL of you but most ignore Him. In your foolhardy proud insistance that you are smarter than God, you pluck out your own eyes and puncture your own ears to show how independent you are.

"God" speaks to nobody. The individual decides to create a dialog within their own mind by directly creating it.

If that gives you whatever you need, then it serves it's purpose as long as it doesn't directly affect others beliefs.

Some people feel just fine without the need for internally created dialog or the desire to feel that some kind of parental figure is still taking care of them as adults.

The point where religious types get lost in the reality of it all is when they elevate themselves over others by using god as a leverage device. It derives from weakness in their own resolve. Frankly, I don't blame them one bit for doing it. The entire cause/effect is on the same branch of the tree.

The ironic part is the whole scheme borders on textbook schizophrenia, and in many cases there is no difference whatsoever. The only thing keeping everything going is the shock of discovering you're perhaps crazy, and the realization that some kind of repressed childhood emotions still play a major part of the psyche in needing some kind of a parental security blanket to perpetually ease anxiety.

Are people really that afraid of dying, and that's it? I think it's more than that.

[Awoke]

we are NOT all Children of god

To presume that all are saved is contradictory to scripture. Salvation is by faith. Those who reject Messiah have no salvation as they have no faith.




Galatians 3:26 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=55&ch=3&l=26&f=s#x)
For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.


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[Spectrism]

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we are NOT all Children of god

To presume that all are saved is contradictory to scripture. Salvation is by faith. Those who reject Messiah have no salvation as they have no faith.




Galatians 3:26 (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=55&ch=3&l=26&f=s#x)
For you are all the children of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.
(http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=55&ch=3&l=26&f=s#x)


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In your reference to Galatians, who was Paul talking to? He was talking to BELIEVERS who were being saved by FAITH. He was not talking to the rabbis, the Sanhedrin, polytheistic gentiles or atheists. He was talking to those who were IN the family of God.




Mat 18:3 And He said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

2Ti 3:1 But know this, that in the last days grievous times will be upon us.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of themselves, money-lovers, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers, without self-control, savage, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these.
2Ti 3:6 For of these are those creeping into houses and leading silly women captive, the ones having been heaped with sins, being led away by various lusts,
2Ti 3:7 always learning, but never being able to come to a full knowledge of the truth.



Mat 13:34 Jesus spoke all these things in parables to the crowds, and He did not speak to them without a parable,
Mat 13:35 so that was fulfilled that spoken through the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will speak out things hidden from the foundation of the world." Psa. 78:2

[7th trump]

If I gave you a book written in Chinese or with ink that reflected light wavelengths beyond your optical receptors would it make any sense to you? The bible is written in code and only those who have ears to hear can see it.
I wouldnt neccessarily call it a code Spectrism, but a parable.
Its all before they who chose to read it.
All the real good stuff is hidden in plain sight (for the true seeker, not the weekend church goer or hippacrit) and some of its plain understandable text book reading.
Take for instance the world is referenced as a "field", "vineyard" and so on.
When God says hes going to cut all the "dead wood" from the vine and throw it into the fire He is saying He is going to take the children that are basically against Him or refuse to acknowledge Him and send them to the firey pit to be destroyed (as in uncreated or no longer physically exist).
Now dont think God is unforgiving to send them to the firey pit for destruction just because they dont beleive. God doesnt want to destroy anybody. The firey pit doesnt even exist yet. The firey pit doesnt open until after the millenial one thousand year rule with a rod of iron which afterward satan is relased for a short time to test those who didnt have a chance out of the gate the first time, like Ponce and a few others on this board for example.
If they dont this short time around of testing they are destroyed in the firey pit and forgotten about. God makes for sure if you know someone who doesnt make it your memory of them is wiped. This is what is called "blotted". Any avid reader of the Bible comes across the word "blotted" at several places which is used in the context of a warning.
Now for those who commit "murder" in this flesh life and found guilty in "Gods courtroom" the millenial thousand year rule is of no use to him. He is scheduled for destruction in the firey pit. He sits and waits for it.
Theres only one unpardonable sin and only the 144,000 Elect (and those who know what the 144,000 know) can commit that sin. Everything else is forgivable unless found guilty in Gods courtroom (judgement).

[Spectrism]

Without the Spirit, the words of the bible are empty and hollow. Strict laws bring death but the Spirit brings life.

The unforgiveable sin is "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". The Spirit convicts us of our sin by telling us TRUTH. When we deny the TRUTH, we cannot be forgiven. How can one repent, less he first know his transgression? And how can one seek forgiveness when he denies his offense?

The code to which I referred, is the indwelling Spirit. I see none here could fathom that depth.

[Ponce]

I can see here what "religion" makes us do.....you raise hell and yell "I NOW MORE THAN YOU DO" ........ well, anyway...whatever.

[Dogman]

I can see here what "religion" makes us do.....you raise hell and yell "I NOW MORE THAN YOU DO" ........ well, anyway...whatever.

Ponce it is all about "moral" superiority and how you feel about others. Take Warren Jeffs for example , He thought He was superior than others that were not members of his church. He called and thought of them as infidels, and had no dealings with them. God spoke too him.

[Spectrism]

No Ponce.... its about WHO you know, not WHAT you know. I know someone you don't. Does that make me smart? No... but it gives me more insights than I had before I knew Him.

I bet if Fidel Castro called you every few days, you would tell us about it. Or if Ron Paul sent you a private message once in a while, you would show us what he was saying.

What would people think if you got some good info from Ron Paul and you kept it to yourself? Or, what would you say if you saw people writing incorrect thing about Ron Paul, especially since you got personal messages from him stating things quite differently?

[7th trump]

So what is "blasphemy" Spectrism?

[Spectrism]

So what is "blasphemy" Spectrism?

Look it up.

[Awoke]

In your reference to Galatians, who was Paul talking to? He was talking to BELIEVERS who were being saved by FAITH. He was not talking to the rabbis, the Sanhedrin, polytheistic gentiles or atheists. He was talking to those who were IN the family of God.



Spectrism, perhaps I chose poor wording when I said "We are all children of God". Of course I know that anti-christs, heretics, pagans et al are not saved. I meant to imply that Christians are children of God, through faith in Christ.

You and I are not in disagreement, I just made a vague statement instead of a detailed one.

Even the quote I used from Scripture specified "Faith in Christ"

[StreetsOfGold]

Street? how can anyone cut the Bible when it came from many cultures over hundred and hundred of years?, the Bible is not only about Christo but about the way that the world is, that shows that no matter who we are we are still brothers.....the collection of stories in the Bible was done in such a way that, I believe, is supposed to favor a race of people and not as it was supposed to be written for all races around the world........uffffffff that was cool, I really must be God Jr in training :)

Not sure what you mean by cut the Bible but you are correct in saying that the Bible was produced over hundred of years. actually over a period of about 1500 years by over 40 writers (penmen, if you will) from almost all vocations of life BUT, the writings still compliment each other and interweaves with each other to form one complete book. Even a cursory first reading of the Bible from Genesis to Revelations shows an obvious theme. The old testament is mostly a Jewish history book. Starting with Abraham, God made promises to him; such as, his seed would be AS the sand of the sea and the stars of heaven. That has NOT happened... yet. Do you know how many stars there are? Trillions. Has there been trillions of Jews? Not yet, so God's promise is STILL VALID! The fact that they are still around and can trace their ancestry like NO OTHER RACE is evidence that you just cannot deny. The New testament shows the fulfillment of God's promised Messiah (Jesus Christ) which the jews have rejected (as a nation) not individually, God is NOT though with Israel, dispite what some claim, it's just not true. The Jews are the most hated race of anyone else for the simple reason that they (as a race) have promises givien to them that no other race has. This certainly creates envy in some folks, but what they don't understand, is that with these promises, there are also responsibilities as well and when these responsibilities are not kept the judgements are more severe for them. Just read the old testament and see for yourself.
Today, (the last 2ooo years) the Lord has made a way to have everyone saved through the Messiah, Jesus Christ, you can recieve him by faith as your personal Saviour, which is so great a gift... even the riches Jew on earth, if he could simply understand, would be envious of. Blindness (IN PART) is happened to Israel so they (as a nation) cannot see it. They WILL BE RESTORED as a nation. There is absolulty no question about it. The balfour declaration and the 6 day war are just a START. They have the money (real money, not paper) because they understand money like no other race (as a whole). They were told that Silver and Gold are money from the beginning.
So, if there's any such thing as a superior race, it certainly is the Jew but ONLY BECAUSE GOD GAVE THEM PROMISES THAT NEED TO BE KEPT and he will keep them. Fighting against the Jewish nation is pure suicide and almost boarders on insanity since you are not just fighting against some race of people (which indeed has many unsavory characters and individual members in it) but against God himself since he has a hand on them (as a race) unlike any other.