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Ponce
12th August 2011, 11:36 AM
I think therefore, I am.........
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Zoo chimp 'planned' stone attacks.

Chimpanzees have long been suspected of planning ahead
A male chimpanzee in a Swedish zoo planned hundreds of stone-throwing attacks on zoo visitors, according to researchers.

Keepers at Furuvik Zoo found that the chimp collected and stored stones that he would later use as missiles.

Further, the chimp learned to recognise how and when parts of his concrete enclosure could be pulled apart to fashion further projectiles.

The findings are reported in the journal Current Biology.
There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.

Crucial to the current study is the fact that Santino, a chimpanzee at the zoo in the city north of Stockholm, collected the stones in a calm state, prior to the zoo opening in the morning.

The launching of the stones occurred hours later - during dominance displays to zoo visitors - with Santino in an "agitated" state.

This suggests that Santino was anticipating a future mental state - an ability that has been difficult to definitively prove in animals, according to Mathias Osvath, a cognitive scientist from Lund University in Sweden and author of the new research.

"We've done experimental studies, and the chimps in my mind show very clearly that they do plan for future needs, but it has been argued that perhaps this was an experimental artefact," Dr Osvath told BBC News.
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"Now we have this spontaneous behaviour, which is always in some sense better evidence."

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Dr Osvath embarked on the study after zoo staff discovered caches of stones in the section of the enclosure facing the public viewing area.

Since the initial discovery in 1997, hundreds of the caches have been removed to protect visitors, to whom the caching and the aggressive displays seem strictly related; in the off season, Santino neither hoards the projectiles nor hurls them.

Most interestingly, Santino seems to have learned how to spot weak parts of the concrete "boulders" in the centre of the enclosure.

When water seeps into cracks in the concrete and freezes, portions become detached that make a hollow sound when tapped.

Santino was observed gently knocking on the "boulders", hitting harder to detach bits that were loosened and adding those to his stashes of ammunition.

The chimp stashed hundreds of stones in anticipation of throwing them
There are a number of examples of complex behaviour in apes that suggest forms of consciousness.

Planning behaviour like that of the current work is connected to so-called autonoetic consciousness, where information due to memory can be distinguished from that from the senses.

"I'm personally convinced that at least chimps do plan for future needs, that they do have this autonoetic consciousness," Dr Osvath said.

"I hope that other zoos or those in the wild will look more closely at what is happening," he added.

"I bet there must be a lot of these kinds of behaviours out there, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find them in dolphins or other species."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7928996.stm

mamboni
12th August 2011, 01:50 PM
'Tartaglia is a pimp. He never could have outfoxed Santino. It was Barzini all along; only I didn't know it until today.'

The authors of this scientific paper are being sued for $100 million by the family of a victim of a Santino attack. The litigant maintains that the scientists had foreknowledge of the danger to zoo goers, but issued no precautions as they were blinded by ambition to publish anther useless publication.

Ponce,
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osoab
12th August 2011, 01:56 PM
'Tartaglia is a pimp. He never could have outfoxed Santino. It was Barzini all along; only I didn't know it until today.'

The authors of this scientific paper are being sued for $100 million by the family of a victim of a Santino attack. The litigant maintains that the scientists had foreknowledge of the danger to zoo goers, but issued no precautions as they were blinded by ambition to publish anther useless publication.



Just wait till Santino meets his maker in a planned attack by the visitors. It will be at the entrance turnstile of the zoo. He will never know what hit him.

I bet it was that worthless Fredo that turned him in!

JJ.G0ldD0t
12th August 2011, 01:59 PM
Since the initial discovery in 1997, hundreds of the caches have been removed to protect visitors, to whom the caching and the aggressive displays seem strictly related; in the off season, Santino neither hoards the projectiles nor hurls them.

Yeah - go on, take his rocks away. He'll just throw poo instead.

Awoke
12th August 2011, 02:15 PM
No "Chimpout" comments?

mamboni
12th August 2011, 02:16 PM
No "Chimpout" comments?

No. It would be an insult....to Chimpanzees.

Santa
12th August 2011, 02:32 PM
I'm with Santino on this one. Zoo visitors are notoriously grotesque.

Ponce
12th August 2011, 04:41 PM
A while back this money found a long pole and put it against the wall to get out......tood two weeks to get him back.

To me that animals are more intelligent that we give them credit for........my new dog does things that I never teach him how to do.

Glass
12th August 2011, 06:05 PM
bird build nests.... for future events. People are stupid.

woodman
12th August 2011, 07:17 PM
Yeah - go on, take his rocks away. He'll just throw poo instead.

That wouldn't be a chimp-out. That would be going "ape-shit".

willie pete
12th August 2011, 07:27 PM
No. It would be an insult....to Chimpanzees.

just don't forget the cannoli....;)



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