Feds Want to Require License to Drive Farm Vehicles.

[Ponce]

For how long, oh my God, will the American people take this crap from the government? everything for the government, nothing for the people.......the more that you allowed them to take...the more that they will take.
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Feds Want to Require License to Drive Farm Vehicles.


Sonny Riddle
Gazettevirginian.com
August 12, 2011

A new rule being proposed by the federal Department of Transportation would require farmers to get commercial drivers licenses.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which is a part of DOT, wants to adopt standards that would reclassify all farm vehicles and implements as Commercial Motor Vehicles, officials said. Likewise, the proposal, if adopted, would require all farmers and everyone on the farm who operates any of the equipment to obtain a CDL, they added.

The proposed rule change would mean that anyone who drives a tractor or operates any piece of motorized farming equipment would be required to pass the same tests and complete the same detailed forms and logs required of semi-tractor trailer drivers.

http://www.infowars.com/feds-want-to-require-license-to-drive-farm-vehicles/

[Ares]

How about the FEDS go mind their own god damn business and quit creating these bureaucratic hoops for the people who grow our food to jump through?

I've never seen a more bunch of inept, totally completely fucking stupid bunch of losers in my life.

[platinumdude]

That is just ridiculous. So how do you check your license when your own your own property. Sounds like this gives them an excuse to come on your land to check your license.

[Celtic Rogue]

Its all part of the plan to remove the growing of our food by family farms... and replacing them by the corporate farms. Once we the people no longer grow our own food Then we lose control of our future and have to depend on others for our survival. All in the plan.

[Awoke]

That is just ridiculous. So how do you check your license when your own your own property. Sounds like this gives them an excuse to come on your land to check your license.

They are far from "inept". Actually they are adept schemers and decievers.

[osoab]

I brought this up to my Dad a few weeks ago. He farms. Small time farmer at that.

He actually had no problem with it. This disturbed the hell out of me. I told him as much too.

His reasoning is that most of the farming is done by large entities anymore. Big corporate farmers. He would like to see some more regulation on the dumbfucks that they have working for them.

The one off the top of my head runs 40,000 acres or so strictly corn and beans. This particular operation just built last year their own grain elevator. I know the electrical package alone was 1 million. 4-105 diameter with at least 80 foot side wall bins ( I don't know if they have designed much taller since I built them). This is not including the grain legs, the two tower dryers, the dump pits (They hold at least 2 full semi loads if not 4 full loads), and the wet corn bins. It is one hell of a setup.

The guys they hire, don't care. They drive down the road, never pull over for cars/trucks behind them and barely get over for any oncoming traffic. I am talking a train of farm implements. 4 combines, 6 auger wagons, and 4 4WD's with whatever attachment all in a single "convoy". That is not including the 10 or so semis for moving the grain. They will park on the road during harvest and you can't get by with another combine. They won't move. They don't give a shit.

I explained to him that if this had passed back in the mid 80's, I never could have ran any equipment for him "legally".
I can guarantee you that the amount of driving of farm implements I did as a kid, have had a deep impression on my driving habits to this day.

I believe that the comment period for this latest proposal by the DOT has passed.
Isn't it funny that the current Transportation Sec is from Illinois?

[mick silver]

this is for farmer who used the roads . most big farmer travel around with there tractors to other tracts of land to plant and back to pick the food . if you drive down the country roads you see alot of big tractors on the road . but this is just one more way to tax the farmer . this has been talk about a few weeks ago around here . the big player have said if this happen they will stop growing . let the game start . i know a few guys who grow up to 10.000ac of corn they have to used the roads to get to them feilds

[horseshoe3]

He would like to see some more regulation on the dumbfucks that they have working for them.


Getting your employees in line is the easy part. Equipment is the hard part. Right now, most small farmers have 2-4 trucks worth $5000 each. They don't spend much on them because they only put a couple hundred miles per year on them. They are not anywhere close to DOT compliant and nobody cares - not even the cops. If they were forced to upgrade to a couple of $100,000 DOT compliant semis, they would go out of business. I believe that is the point of this regulation.

[mick silver]

my trucks all ready have tags on them and all farm trucks . i pay to drive my trucks on the roads horseshoe , it about the Equipment

[Spectrism]

People need a license to eat. And they will need to pay for training so they can learn how to properly eat. And with that certification, which muct be renewed every year in case you forgot how to eat, they will be licensed for certain foods from certain vendors. Your implant will be updated with purchasing permissions once you are licensed.

[horseshoe3]

It's not about the tags - that's the cheap part. The DOT has a handbook on compliance that is about an inch thick. Think about the lights. Not just the ones that make a passenger vehicle legal. DOT states how many, what color, brightness, placement down to the inch. Now imagine that kind of minutia applied to every part of the truck. A lot of farm truck are incapable of being brought up to DOT specs, so you would have to spend tens of thousands on a new one.

Get a couple age checks on your 2 year old tires with 200 miles on them? Throw 'em away and shell out $3000 for a new set. Etc, etc, etc.

Then after you get everything up to spec, you have to pay someone to get it inspected every year. It's not a big deal for a big operator who puts a quarter million miles on his truck each year, but paying $500 for an inspection of a truck that gets 100 miles per year is a lot of money per mile. Multiply that by all the farm trucks you have and it gets prohibitively expensive.

[osoab]

my trucks all ready have tags on them and all farm trucks . i pay to drive my trucks on the roads horseshoe , it about the Equipment


I don't see that mick. Well, they will get one heck of a lot more money once all the tractors have to be tagged with DOT numbers.

I see it more as the final death nail in the family farm business. 18 years minimum in Illinois just to drive intrastate with a CDL.
Like I stated above, I started driving at 10. Bare minimum, I would have only been allowed to drive in the fields, not go from field to field.

[mick silver]

we had a meeting a few weeks back at the Farm Bureau they told us all it was about the Equipment thats drove on the roads . tractors an stuff and people ask them if it apply to the trucks and were told no . but you know how that also works . all i can say there were alot of pissed off people there

[Dogman]

As said here, it is all about money. That working farm truck will last years held together with baling wire, etc. With occasional parts bought that can not be easily made.

These days that will not do, so get the rat traps out of the fields and force everyone to upgrade. Good for the economy. :mad:

And also said here it gets the gov more involved and again it is all about money and fees.

Have drove some real rat trap farm trucks in the past that I honestly think if you tried to drive on a smooth road , they would fall apart from the lack of shock. ;D

All govs national , state and local are reaching and grabbing for every dollar in fees they can, sort of a stealth tax.

So no surprise , In fact watch fees and things that used to be free from govs soon have fee's attached. IMHO.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Why, at this late hour? What is the perceived benefit? I can only think of negatives to this, no positives.

[osoab]

we had a meeting a few weeks back at the Farm Bureau they told us all it was about the Equipment thats drove on the roads . tractors an stuff and people ask them if it apply to the trucks and were told no . but you know how that also works . all i can say there were alot of pissed off people there


Like a 1962 JD tractor need DOT tags.

Money, Money, Money.

[osoab]

Why, at this late hour? What is the perceived benefit? I can only think of negatives to this, no positives.


They last tried it about a decade ago and it got shot down. I think they have better cronies in position now to make it happen.

[TomD]

this is for farmer who used the roads . most big farmer travel around with there tractors to other tracts of land to plant and back to pick the food . if you drive down the country roads you see alot of big tractors on the road . but this is just one more way to tax the farmer . this has been talk about a few weeks ago around here . the big player have said if this happen they will stop growing . let the game start . i know a few guys who grow up to 10.000ac of corn they have to used the roads to get to them feilds

That's pretty common where I live, in a rural part of NW Florida. The big crops around here are peanuts and cotton, both of which require very expensive and specialized equipment to work profitably. I would sat that 70%+ of the farmers around here are just landowners with from 100 to a couple of thousand acres who sub out all the cultivation work to outfits big enough to have all the equipment. Even with today's record high cotton prices, 1000 acres isn't enough to warrant the purchase, insurance, maintenance, etc for a million bucks of equipment.

So we have tractors and other stuff all over the local roads for most of the summer and fall. Number of problems that require the intervention of the Feds? FUC*ING ZERO! Number of problems period? ZERO!

Government everywhere, it's enough to make you puke---

[gunDriller]

= control + taxation AND they can shove a 2 foot diameter auger up their Patuti.

[MNeagle]

Why don't they focus on the truckers coming in from Mexico instead?

[goldleaf]

Watched a farm show that quoted Vilisak, I think, and said that they were not going to pursue the cdl requirement for
agriculture, so all looks good for now.

As far as opening the border to Mexican trucks, the Farm Bureau was one of many who were behind getting this passed
saying Mexico would be placing tariffs on 20 some ag products we export to them if we didn't open the border.What I would
have done is put tariffs on their exports to us, starting with U.S. companies that left here for Mexico.