Exterritoriality

[palani]

Now here is an interesting word, found in Bouviers 1856 Law Dictionary A LAW DICTIONARY
ADAPTED TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OF THE SEVERAL STATES OF THE AMERICAN UNION


EXTERRITORIALITY. This term is used by French jurists to signify the immunity of certain persons, who, although in the state, are not amenable to its laws; foreign sovereigns, ambassadors, ministers plenipotentiary, and ministers from a foreign power, are of this class. Foelix, Droit Intern. Prive, liv. 2, tit. 2, c. 2, s. 4. See Ambassador; Conflict of Laws; Minister.

[Glass]

When someone took some examples from the internet and created something called a "Claim of Right" which they determined was a concept enshrined in common law (magna carta law as per an earlier post of yours) and was also enshrined in statute law although sometimes in more a limited form, they then send that Claim of Right to various chief legal commissioners, chief parliamentarians as NOTICE.

Then one day they are interdicted on the highway by pol-ic-E enforcers. The Claim of Right is presented as the first move in the interaction. The initial response was that this indicated that the holder was travelling on diplomatic papers. This caused quite some concern for the polic-E enforcers. Eventually there was an arrest and an extortion demand which had to be met before release.

The Claim of Right included a schedule of fees and the ranking polic-E enforcer was required to and did indeed furnish a business card. This was for the purposes of service of future claims according to the schedule of fees. That step did not occur as yet. There are some apparent developments some 12 month later, however more info is being sought.

My point is, these people (polic-E) believed that who they had interdicted was possibly a diplomat based on the documented claims. I thought it was interesting because the polic-E seemed to recognise a completely different type of document than they would normally encounter, that being a plastic identity card in the form of a DL.

I find these definitions interesting and I keep a track of them. I hope to one day soon use these principles in my own affairs.

[palani]

I find these definitions interesting and I keep a track of them. I hope to one day soon use these principles in my own affairs.

Upon reflection you might decide you have a duty of providing due process as well as a right to expect it. Due process is notice followed by a right granted to the other party to enquire.


DUE. What ought to be paid; what may be demanded.

If you understand these principles then you have more power than any administrative agency under the sun. Unfortunately it also makes you more dangerous than any terrorist on the planet. Learn to use the power wisely.

[palani]

Current law on foreigners? Same as the old:

Leviticus 19:33

33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

[Glass]

ah ok. You posts have triggered a query. What other types of travel documents are there other than current Port Passes? I have heard of travel documents that may have used as recently as the last hundred years. I've heard that many countries would still recognise them as valid. It seems to me that as long as you have a) a visa to enter and b) valid travel documents (which would usually be needed to get a visa) you can go anywhere you would normally use a port pass.

[palani]

ah ok. You posts have triggered a query. What other types of travel documents are there other than current Port Passes? I have heard of travel documents that may have used as recently as the last hundred years. I've heard that many countries would still recognise them as valid. It seems to me that as long as you have a) a visa to enter and b) valid travel documents (which would usually be needed to get a visa) you can go anywhere you would normally use a port pass.

Passports are a wartime document.


PASSPORT In most countries of continental Europe passports are given to travellers; these are intended to protect them on their journey from all molestation, while they are obedient to the laws. Passports are also granted by the secretary of state to persons travelling abroad, certifying that they are citizens of the United States. 9 Pet. 692. Vide 1 Kent, Com. 162, 182; Merl. Repert. h. t.

In a peaceful world no travel documents should be required at all. If you should care to put enough information to identify yourself on a travel document and can talk a notary into affixing his signature and seal on it then it is "good" throughout your own country. If you obtain an apostille from the secretary of state on the notary himself you might pay $5 per country that the apostille is good for (convention of 5 Sept 1961 Hague Convention on Private International Law ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille_convention). In the U.S. notaries may be found everywhere (banks, lawyers offices) and generally charge nothing. This is not the case in Canada or other U.K countries. The law might be the same but the notary might not be willing. If this is the case then the sec of state should be willing to do his job (if his servants won't do it then make him do it himself).

Understand the concept of planes as well. Say you want to enter Mexico. Trick questions will be asked such as "what is the purpose of your visit to Mexico". Mexico is a federation of independent states (much like ... and becoming similar to the United States). Do you REALLY want to visit Mexico? I view "Mexico" as referring to the present government of the federation and I fully intend to stay as far away from Mexico (the federation) as I can. However, maybe you desire to visit "Mexico" the state whose capital city is Toluca de Lerdo. Make your destination known and with your apostille and travel document you should be allowed to continue on your journey (known terrorists excepted).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Mexico

México ([ˈmexiko] ( listen)), officially: Estado Libre y Soberano de México (English: Free and Sovereign State of México) is one of the 31 states which, with the Federal District, comprise the 32 Federal Entities of the United Mexican States. It is divided in 125 municipalities and its capital city is Toluca de Lerdo.

If stopped at the border attempting to enter the United States the border guard asks "why do you want to enter the United States?" Answer? "Thank you kindly but I don't plan on visiting the United States this trip. I am however traveling to Montana today."

In other words, the government that is doing the asking is not the land. They might have control of the land but should I go visiting it will be to the land and not the government. To avoid undertainty a visa might be advised when attempting to enter a land that is strange. In the request for the visa it is also possible to be much more exact in your travel intentions.

When traveling it is also best to act the part of a guest rather than a tourist.

[sirgonzo420]

Methinks border guards are not well schooled in Law...

[palani]

Methinks border guards are not well schooled in Law...

they don't usually argue with visas though ... send the travel docs ahead to be sure.