Soetoro's Lone Wolf will be a 'Sovereign Citizen'

[iOWNme]

ITS COMING.......

With his rating at an all time low, you know what is around the corner. Listen to Wolf Blitzer and his FEAR MONGERING. Soetoro admits to collecting ALL DATA and constantly MONITORING to stop this coming attack. (SPYING on you)

HE WANTS YOUR GUNS.

We are in DEEP trouble guys. We are entering the event horizon.

http://www.infowars.com/obamas-lone-wolf-will-be-a-sovereign-citizen/


Following Obama’s exploitation of the Norway massacre and prediction of a lone wolf attack (http://www.infowars.com/obamas-feared-lone-wolf-attack-could-save-his-presidency/) on Tuesday, CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/16/national/main20093236.shtml) suggested the attack will not come from al-Qaeda and Islamic terrorists, but from a member of the Sovereign Citizen movement in the United States.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCxtiMMKHYE&feature=player_embedded



After citing the FBI and the Fort Hood shooting, CBS said the attack may come from within:
The domestic “Lone Wolf” threat is far from limited to Islamic-linked individuals, too. As reported by “60 Minutes,” the “Sovereign Citizens” movement – a loosely knit group that doesn’t pay taxes, carry driver’s licenses or hold Social Security cards – has shown a violent and sometimes murderous dislike of law enforcement. Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh had only two known co-conspirators.
The FBI and DHS have an acronym for people and groups who dislike and distrust the government – HVEs, or homegrown violent extremists.

In 2010, the FBI posted a web page on “Domestic Terrorism” (http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310) listing the sovereign citizen movement. The movement, however, was portrayed as criminal scam artists, not violent terrorists. “Sovereign citizens are often confused with extremists from the militia movement. But while sovereign citizens sometimes use or buy illegal weapons, guns are secondary to their anti-government, anti-tax beliefs,” writes the FBI.

In April, the Star-Tribune (http://trib.com/news/local/casper/article_f4a9ad88-6a1b-11e0-897e-001cc4c002e0.html) reported that the FBI is keeping tabs on the sovereign citizen movement in Wyoming. The newspaper said that most sovereigns maintain they only want a peaceful transition to a restored republic, but “the bureau has kept an eye on the movement because some sovereigns have taken the logical step from belief in the illegitimacy of the current system to acting violently against it,” according to FBI Special Agent Kathy Wright.

The FBI announced last year that the sovereign citizen movement ranks among the nation’s top domestic terrorist threats, along with animal rights/eco-terrorism, anarchists, and “lone offenders with extremist agendas,” according to the Star-Tribune.

The FBI encourages Americans to inform on their fellow citizens if they express anti-government political views the agency insists invariably turns violent.
“First, ‘be crime smart’: don’t fall for the bogus claims and scams of sovereign citizens. And second, if you have information on any suspicious activities or crimes, please contact us,” the FBI told the Homeland Security Newswire (http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/fbi-discusses-sovereign-citizen-movement) last year.
Following the attacks in Norway, the DHS told AOL-Huffington Post that “white supremacists and members of a sovereign citizen movement” pose a domestic terror threat.

“A Norway incident could definitely happen here; the same things that played into the Norway suspect’s mindset are here in this country,” former DHS domestic terror analyst Daryl Johnson (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/28/right-wing-extremism-united-states_n_911102.html), who founded a consulting firm that tracks extremist activity, told the liberal news website. “If anything, extremists are much more capable of committing violent acts here due to their access to weapons and ammunition, which they don’t have in Europe.”

The corporate media wasted little time hyping the imagined threat from “far right” groups in America following the Norwegian rampage. “The greatest threat of large-scale attacks come from individuals and small groups of extremists who subscribe to radical Islamic or far right-wing ideologies,” CNN reported on July 25.
In order to make the point that domestic groups opposed to the federal government are a looming threat, CNN (http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-25/us/domestic.extremism_1_southern-poverty-law-center-groups-threat?_s=PM:US) turned to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that has made a cottage industry out of scare mongering terrorism threats from groups and individuals they place on the right side of the political spectrum.

“Such groups are among the fastest-growing extremist organizations in the country, the Southern Poverty Law Center reported in February. Right wing anti-government groups grew by 60% in 2010 over the previous year, the center reported, attributing much of the growth to militia groups,” CNN reported, parroting skewed statistics released by the SPLC.

[keehah]

A product of the current establishment. Maritime pirate being the opposite of Sovereign Citizen.

Or as the Establishment Media would put it if they spun evenly: Obama's hate is from the warped mind of a racist non-Citizen.

[Glass]

there is truth in everything they say... because they know this is the case......because they plan it.

I agree. To pull an AJ quote. We are truly in the end game.

[Awoke]

They are prepping the sheep to hate us and to assume we are the bad guys.

Their mass media hypno-machine is working overtime.

[chad]

this is what will be used to derail ron paul. after the lone wolf incident happens, whoever did it will be linked to the ron paul movement, instantly crushing him.

[Twisted Titan]

Cash purchases for all related firearm materials

you don't want a paper or digital trail when the visit investigations start

you want to have belig enough time laspe to say you shot it all up.

[Glass]

If Ron Paul or his followers gets rail roaded in one of their scams it might just bring enough people out into the streets.

You've got to think on the upside. Never let a good crisis go to waste. I think they sense this. They had better.

[dys]

This blows a hole in the arguments of the shills that parrot the nonsense of 'withdraw your consent and they will leave you alone'.

dys

[Ares]

This blows a hole in the arguments of the shills that parrot the nonsense of 'withdraw your consent and they will leave you alone'.

dys

Very true, but if you look at it with a historical perspective. That's exactly what the South did, they withdrew their consent and the North forced them back into the Union at the barrel of a gun.

Freedom? What freedom?

[DMac]

FBI, DHS, SPLC - all the usual suspects.

The lone wolf will also likely be a vet. Can't have people respecting veterans in this country!

[palani]

This blows a hole in the arguments of the shills that parrot the nonsense of 'withdraw your consent and they will leave you alone'.

dys

What is a shill?

Can one provide a reason without "parroting" someone else?

Who is "they"?

Are you a shill promoting that you should "give your consent and they will leave you alone"?

What is the connection between "your consent" and "leaving you alone"?

If you do anything with "your consent" expecting a reward then have you not simply sold "your consent"?

Would you expect to "withdraw your consent" and have all your problems (real or imagined) solved?

If granting "your consent" has gotten you where you are now do you consider continuing to grant "your consent" will modify anything at all?

[dys]

What is a shill?

Can one provide a reason without "parroting" someone else?

Who is "they"?

Are you a shill promoting that you should "give your consent and they will leave you alone"?

What is the connection between "your consent" and "leaving you alone"?

If you do anything with "your consent" expecting a reward then have you not simply sold "your consent"?

Would you expect to "withdraw your consent" and have all your problems (real or imagined) solved?

If granting "your consent" has gotten you where you are now do you consider continuing to grant "your consent" will modify anything at all?

You are a shill and you know damn well who 'they' are.

dys

[palani]

You are a shill and you know damn well who 'they' are.

dys

If I am a shill then who am I shilling for?


shill
1916, "one who acts as a decoy for a gambler, auctioneer, etc." (probably originally circus or carnival argot), probably a shortened form of shillaber (1913) with the same meaning, origin unknown. The verb is attested from 1914.

You see any gamblers, auctioneers or carnies around?

What group is going around telling people to remove their consent? I haven't run into any lately and would like to know.

[dys]

The 25 rules of disinformation.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such “arguable rumors”. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a “wild rumor” which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough “jargon” and “minutiae” to illustrate you are “one who knows”, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with. Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually them be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues — so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the “high road” and “confess” with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made — but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, “just isn’t so.” Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for “coming clean” and “owning up” to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict (usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim) is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed.

22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/

dys

[7th trump]

Give it up Dys.........Palani has walked all over you and you know it. You cant have your arguement both ways.
For a guy who says he knows a lot about the Bible........read it sometime oh ye of little faith!
The beast receives a mortal blow........the NWO fails just as it comes together.
There isnt going to be any doom and gloom...........the fake Christ (anti-christ) shows up peacefully and prosperously claiming to be Christ himself have powers to AWE the world into following him just in time. Thats how the beast is resurrected!
Its gonna be a jubilee church revival like you never seen. All debt will be erased and a free chicken in every pot for those who receive the number of the beast.
Theres more detail of the end times in Mathew and Ezekiel than there is in Revelation so take what those books say when reading Revelations.

[midnight rambler]

this is what will be used to derail ron paul. after the lone wolf incident happens, whoever did it will be linked to the ron paul movement, instantly crushing him.

Unfortunately the most likely scenario.

[keehah]

Ha ha. Thanks dys, I was blind now I see another Judas 'king'.

[palani]

The 25 rules of disinformation.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. NON-RESPONSIVE.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. NON-RESPONSIVE.


3. Create rumor mongers. NON-RESPONSIVE.


4. Use a straw man. NON-RESPONSIVE.


5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. Wait ... isn't this YOUR tactic? NON-RESPONSIVE.


6. Hit and Run. NON-RESPONSIVE.


7. Question motives. Is calling someone a shill "questioning motives" in addition to name calling (ad hominem)? NON-RESPONSIVE.


8. Invoke authority. NON-RESPONSIVE.
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9. Play Dumb. NON-RESPONSIVE.


10. Associate opponent charges with old news.NON-RESPONSIVE.


11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. NON-RESPONSIVE.


12. Enigmas have no solution. NON-RESPONSIVE.


13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. NON-RESPONSIVE.


14. Demand complete solutions. NON-RESPONSIVE.


15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. NON-RESPONSIVE.

16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. NON-RESPONSIVE.


17. Change the subject. Wait!!! Isn't this list a change of topic? NON-RESPONSIVE.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. Is calling one a "shill" goading? NON-RESPONSIVE.


19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs.NON-RESPONSIVE.


20. False evidence. NON-RESPONSIVE.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. NON-RESPONSIVE.


22. Manufacture a new truth. NON-RESPONSIVE.


23. Create bigger distractions. NON-RESPONSIVE.

24. Silence critics.NON-RESPONSIVE.


25. Vanish.NON-RESPONSIVE.


You got any other material you would like to cut and paste?

Why not just answer my questions?

[palani]

I was blind now I see another Judas 'king'.

Don't kid yourself. You are still blind and probably have no ears to hear either.

[iOWNme]

Please dont hijack my thread. If you notice I am NEVER in a post that turns to drama. There is a reason for that.

I watched this interview again, it is CREEPY. Go back and listen to Barry and his slick talk. I seriously felt....just uneasy and sick. He is a hardcore narcissist, and has a cunning way of making you focus on side issues or even himself, instead of speaking the truth.

If you know exactly how the enemy operates, they just gave away their entire battle plan on live TV to the whole world. It wont be long now.

[ximmy]

Please dont hijack my thread. If you notice I am NEVER in a post that turns to drama. There is a reason for that.


Shucks... I was just going to post in this thread... oh well... ::)

[Awoke]

I knew that was their battle plan. They showed their hand when they started into the whole "Your blonde haired/blue eyed neighbor could be a muslim extremist" balony.