WTF is going on in Libya???

[midnight rambler]

8/19 midnite update -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzf_-DAOhqI

[midnight rambler]

In contrast I have a hard time believing that the 'rebels' are making gains against an army.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/19/tripoli-facing-advance-libya-rebels

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/world/africa/20libya.html?_r=2&hp

[Ponce]

The UN and the US are making all those countries "weaker" in order to make it easy for the Zionists to take over them.....is an old tactic that they have been using like..........for ever.

[Twisted Titan]

Are these the same Rebels that set up a central bank and sent envoys to Britan to be officially recognized?

[midnight rambler]

Are these the same Rebels that set up a central bank and sent envoys to Britan to be officially recognized?

Yes, the ones taking orders from and working directly for NATO.

[Ponce]

All that the US has done is to created havoc and discord where there was unitiy and friendship in the Middle East.......the Zionist are afraid that all those countries will try to declared war on them at the same time.......but.......as long as they are fighting among themselves they will disregard the Zionist..........no matter what they are doing to the Palestinians and other countries.

[midnight rambler]

What a contrast between the Zionist controlled western media and RT -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tghoRiZ3ek

[midnight rambler]

The Zionist controlled media must have something up their sleeve to keep reporting the imminent fall of Tripoli like they are.

Another non-Zionist report out of Libya -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDSyh5i7IBc

[osoab]

I have seen two headlines stories in the past two days dealing with the victories by the rebels.

This one is new.

Libyan rebels celebrate latest victory (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ap-ml-libya,0,5646222.story)



What is the rifle just right of the center AK?

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2011-08/60687395-21101603.jpg

[midnight rambler]

I have seen two headlines stories in the past two days dealing with the victories by the rebels.

This one is new.

Libyan rebels celebrate latest victory (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-ap-ml-libya,0,5646222.story)



What is the rifle just right of the center AK?

http://snsimages.tribune.com/media/alternatethumbnails/story/2011-08/60687395-21101603.jpg

That's a FAL rifle. Lots of FALs in Libya, the Libyan Army adopted the FAL in the '50s.

[Ora Pro Nobis]

Are these the same Rebels that set up a central bank and sent envoys to Britan to be officially recognized?

Yes they are! this is what is most interesting about this 'Libyan Revolt'.

Libyan rebels in Benghazi say they have formed their own central bank.

The rebel group known as the Transitional National Council released a statement last week announcing that they have designated the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya, and that they have appointed a governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi, according to Bloomberg.

Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.

Robert Wenzel of Economic Policy Journal thinks the central banking initiative reveals that foreign powers may have a strong influence over the rebels.

This suggests we have a bit more than a ragtag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences. “I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising,” Wenzel writes.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42308613/Libyan_Rebels_Form_Their_Own_Central_Bank

[osoab]

From Zero Hedge.

Watch Live Coverage Of The Fall Of Gadaffi's Regime Via Sky News (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/watch-live-coverage-fall-gadaffis-regime-sky-news)

With Libyan Rebels On The Verge Of Taking Over Tripoli, Is Gaddafi About To Scorch The Earth? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/libyan-rebels-verge-taking-over-tripoli-gaddafi-about-scorch-earth)

So... Looks like the CIA wins?

[osoab]

Per Al Jazerra scrolling text.

Gadaffi's eldest son has been captured.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

[midnight rambler]

Remember what NATO's mandate was? To protect the civilians?

1,300 dead, 5,000 injured in less than 12 hours in Tripoli.

'Rebels' attack by sea - for a rag tag bunch they sure have it together. Anyone ever see the movie 'The Dogs of War'?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPdYXDJ9lI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFGsmJMd_fo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYFzNrdOvrk

[MAGNES]

That's a FAL rifle. Lots of FALs in Libya, the Libyan Army adopted the FAL in the '50s.

You really believe they got those rifles from Libyan stockpiles, I have
seen many FALs in totally retarded noob hands since the beginning of this conflict
and the FALs always looked totally out of place, some very nice weapons in very
nice condition, those holding them don't even know how to hold them, nor how to shoot,
there is no way they know how to maintain them properly and keep them in that condition,
some of these may have come from British or even Egyptian sources recently, I was
reading that Egypt is arming the " rebels " as well, and fighters are even crossing from
Egypt. Some of the weapons I saw I would love to own, and some of the shooters
made me laugh, like the Africans with AK's jumping out and spraying and getting pushed
back because of the power of the FAL, retards shooting them.

Weapons choice could also be part of the deception, the enemy uses AK47's.

Just look at these retards, they are being used, this is also CNN disinfo IMO.
Who is arming and training these people ? Libya is divided along 3 ethnic lines apparently.
The east is fighting the west but they stand no chance without help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6uDj730ORc

[MAGNES]

1:19 Black guy holding a brand new Sterling machine gun.

1:33 Looks like a pristine FAL, and many more shown.

3:50 GPMG, looks new, where is the polishing from use ?

British, FN Belgian arsenal.

This is Rothchilds war.

The video presentation may not be 100% accurate, I don't know, but these weapons stand out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5FJ0sYF1E0

[midnight rambler]

NATO is doing all the killing, they're using 'rebels' as cover -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPMdArruZjA

[vacuum]

According to drudge, the presidential guard surrendered:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/libyan-rebels-converging-on-tripoli/2011/08/21/gIQAbF3RUJ_print.html

[DMac]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html

Central Banking (and by corollary, gold), water and cheap oil for France/Italy - as MR said, this is a NATO thing.

[DMac]

So what does Russia and China get out of this?

Angry. They were purposely left out of this party.

The host, via NATO, is France. Italy collected the RSVPs.

US Marines and Navy are playing valet and chauffeur respectively.

[DMac]

It would, yet I must say that every Russian I know has laughed at me when suggesting such an alliance.

The Russians and the Chinese do not have a friendly history.

I think China gives the Libya situation a pass as they have been extremely active in sub-Saharan Africa for a long time now.

[Dogman]

It would seem only natural for Russia and China to form an alliance in the coming global war. Probably already have?
Maybe, but those two country's/peoples have not really liked each other , ever! China wants Russia's resources, Siberia comes too mind.

[keehah]

At War With Libya (1941)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-4BS8FTrcc

Looks like the current government has fallen to NATO Al-CIA-da and the Eastern Tribe. Another country looted and no longer any threat for regional power now that tribe on tribe (and immigrants) warfare will continue to fester and local resources fiated to the NWO.

[midnight rambler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JW4V6wRzc

[midnight rambler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x97q9y6nQY8

[midnight rambler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjoJxJgMXk4

[MAGNES]

FN again, Browning High Power .
@ 1:13 totally new black pistol, @ 1:19 polished worn pistol, both look like Browning HP.
Contrast the 1:19 polished pistol to the Sterlings totally black, especially magazine,
brand new, right out of the box to stage a photo op.

Whose arming these people is key to understanding what is going on.

And all these weapons are premium expensive weapons.

Here is a normal use older FN FAL, it is normal polishing, I wouldn't
even call the original finish bluing, parkerized comes off easily, especially on edges,
M16, AR15 modern black finish is much tougher to remove.
So this weapon is still excellent condition and normal looking.

http://i54.tinypic.com/zmgldi.jpg

[osoab]

Gadaffi's Supposedly Arrested Son, Very Much Free, Hobnobbing With Reporters At Tripoli's Rixos Hotel (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/gadaffis-supposedly-arrested-son-very-much-free-hobnobbing-reporters-tripolis-rixos-hotel)



When we said yesterday (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/watch-live-coverage-fall-gadaffis-regime-sky-news), while presenting live video of the "alleged" Libyan revolution, that "Since everyone is blatantly lying, on both sides of the conflict, we leave it to readers to decide what is actually happening." Which is why we can understand why some may have gotten the impression that Gadaffi's son Saif al Isam was arrested, after the Libyan rebel movement first reported this, and the ICC subsequently confirmed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/international-criminal-court-confims-gadaffi-has-been-captured). Because it turns out he is anything but. According to Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/23/us-libya-saif-idUSTRE77M01S20110823), "Saif al Islam, the son of Libya leader Muammar Gaddafi who rebels and the International Criminal Court had been arrested, arrived in the early hours of Tuesday at the Tripoli hotel where foreign reporters have been staying." The following live blog from SkyNews merely confirms what we said yesterday: namely that Libyans on both sides of the divided have taken to doing what the developed (and for now, far less revolutionary) world does so well on a daily basis - lie to everyone about everything.

[JohnQPublic]

Gadaffi's Supposedly Arrested Son, Very Much Free, Hobnobbing With Reporters At Tripoli's Rixos Hotel (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/gadaffis-supposedly-arrested-son-very-much-free-hobnobbing-reporters-tripolis-rixos-hotel)

video: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gaddafis-son-makes-appearance-after-alleged-arrest/2011/08/22/gIQADO8XXJ_video.html

[osoab]

This vid is about 6 weeks old, but still, WTF!

Anyone else find anything wrong with this vid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yC437wXaA&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yC437wXaA&feature=player_embedded

[Shami-Amourae]

Al Jazeera = MI6

[MAGNES]

Exposed: MI6 spies paved rebel path to Tripoli battlefront


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zadvM7umTzk

[osoab]

Gadhafi’s Secret Scrapbook Of Condoleezza Rice Pictures (http://www.disinfo.com/2011/08/gadhafis-secret-scrapbook-of-condoleezza-rice-pictures/)


Sometimes world leaders are like the rest of us and have a crush on a girl they figure would never like them. Via MSNBC (http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/25/7470058-in-the-ruins-of-gadhafis-lair-rebels-find-album-filled-with-photos-of-his-darling-condoleezza-rice):
The Libyan rebels’ ransacking of Moammar Gadhafi’s compound is turning up some bizarre loot. The latest discovery is a photo album filled with page after page of pictures of Condoleezza Rice.

The former U.S. Secretary of State paid a visit to Tripoli in 2008 during a brief interlude that saw Gadhafi begin to be welcomed back into the international fold. As Jason Ukman of the Washington Post wrote on Wednesday, “it was only three short years ago that Rice shared a late-night dinner with Gaddafi to break the Ramadan fast, three short years ago that the United States and Libya were celebrating what was to be a new chapter in their relations.”

In a 2007 interview with al-Jazeera television, Gadhafi spoke of Rice in glowing terms. “I support my darling black African woman,” he said. “I admire and am very proud of the way she leans back and gives orders to the Arab leaders … Leezza, Leezza, Leezza. … I love her very much. I admire her and I’m proud of her because she’s a black woman of African origin.”


I think this story deserves this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYl2O6z9Gc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezYl2O6z9Gc

excellent album too.

[Heimdhal]

This vid is about 6 weeks old, but still, WTF!

Anyone else find anything wrong with this vid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yC437wXaA&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yC437wXaA&feature=player_embedded

I'll bite, Im not seeing whats wrong? Is it that people are doing stuff for free to support the rebels logistics?

[osoab]

I'll bite, Im not seeing whats wrong? Is it that people are doing stuff for free to support the rebels logistics?

There were a few things that I thought were odd. Not trying to bait anyone.

Are the Libyans that enamored with pizza? Who is funding 10,000 personal pizza? That is a lot of fresh veggies for a "war zone".
The "ad" seemed like a smiley face war is ok piece.

If it is such a war zone, why is the chick riding in the back of a truck? For the story?

Seemed like a fluff piece to me.

[Heimdhal]

There were a few things that I thought were odd. Not trying to bait anyone.

Are the Libyans that enamored with pizza? Who is funding 10,000 personal pizza? That is a lot of fresh veggies for a "war zone".
The "ad" seemed like a smiley face war is ok piece.

If it is such a war zone, why is the chick riding in the back of a truck? For the story?

Seemed like a fluff piece to me.

Ah, ok, I thought I was missing something like major and totaly obvious and felt dumb.

I agree with you on all points. The pizza, well thats easy, ingredients for a pizza are cheap and readily available almost anywhere. 10,000 does seem like a lot though and probably fluffed up significantly. Maybe he meant 10,000 total, cause it would take DAYS running 24/7 to make that much food, any food, with those kinds of facilities.

And yeah, they were defintley WAY behind the front lines if they were casual changing oil and dirving around in a Technical on the high way with other traffic.

Hearts and Minds arent just won in foreign countries, you need domestic support to and who doesnt love pizza! ;)

[MAGNES]

This smells awfully like the wars against the Europeans where the Muslims
were the supposed victims and the Serbs evil, Nato is bombing and killing
civilians and lying about it, they put out news lies that the regime fell, these
are psyops, to demoralize Libyans, they are supporting mass murdering
thugs, the same butchers that somehow find their way from one country
to the next killing civilians, in one country the West supports them, in others
they bomb them, move them around to create problems and blatantly lie
to the Western populations.

I am not even pro Muslim nor pro Libyan. This doesn't solve anything,
and more than likely everyone will lose but the top behind these wars.
Libyans, even Europeans. Seems they are putting Jihadists into power
again just like they did in Iraq. Leave Libya alone, close the borders
of Western countries, stop messing with them, there are ways of dealing
with China and Russia even in this part of the world, embrace Libya
economically, that was the case already.

This is all Israel and NeoCons.

According to Poddy/Podheretz I should promote the history of this area
and bomb the shit out of the Muslims as payback saluting the NeoCon Jew Commies.

[keehah]

Original site has a few dozen links behind the statements.

NATO's "Victory" in Libya Genocide and Rebel Infighting (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26514)
Global Research Tony Cartalucci

Desperate to declare NATO's mission in Libya a victory ahead of the September 19, 2011 deadline on their contrived UN Security Council resolution, already violated in every conceivable manner possible, NATO planes in tandem with NATO special forces obliterated Tripoli ahead of swarms of Libyan rebel troops led by notorious Al Qaeda thug Abdulhakim Hasadi (aka Balhaj.) Three weeks later, NATO's proxy Libyan representative, long-time globalist and servant of the West Mahmoud Gibril Elwarfally, touched down at Tripoli's airport, one of the few enclaves held by rebels in the city, to give the impression that his "National Transitional Council" (NTC) actually controls the capital and therefore the country.

In reality, Gibril (also spelled Jabril) is in control of nothing, apparently not even his own rebel forces, and stunts such as landing in Tripoli are desperate ploys to portray a sense of strength and resolve to garner continued "international support" as NATO's deadline quickly approaches. Libya's rebellion, despite the corporate-media's disingenuous presentation, is divided along tribal and ethnic lines, with most of Libya's rebels being motivated, not by aspirations for liberal-democracy, but rather by ideological extremism cultivated over the last 30 years by US and British intelligence in the eastern cities of Darnah and Benghazi. As NATO enables these violent ideologues to expand their control over the country, they are systematically committing war crimes including large-scale theft and looting, exiling entire civilian populations from cities, and wholesale genocide. They are also reportedly turning their weapons on one another.

To compound Gibril's precarious situation, the few fighters he has that are following orders are stretched thin between attempting to hold parts of Tripoli, holding other towns and cities beyond their Benghazi stronghold, and attempting to siege entire cities still standing defiantly against NATO and rebel conquest. The cities of Bani Walid and Sirte, both claimed by rebels as ripe to fall "within hours" have now entirely balked rebel advances, causing many forces to flee with reports that fighters coming back from the front lines are overwhelmed and demoralized.

Despite heavy, and quite obviously indiscriminate bombing by NATO for the better part of two weeks, resistance in these two cities is still fierce enough to keep the rebels well at bay. It is quite apparent that initial reports by Gabril's "NTC" that only 60-150 Qaddafi fighters remained in Bani Walid, were yet another lie and that the entire city's civilian population is putting up resistance. The number of "resisters" has gone up piecemeal as the rebel operation drags on, with the number of "Qaddafi soldiers" fighting in Bani Walid well past 1,000 now.

Bani Walid is predominately made of members of Libya's one-million strong Warfalla tribe, and is decidedly not interested in NATO's sponsored "Benghazi liberation." In the wake of NATO's bombing campaign and special forces entering Tripoli and their setting the stage for looting, torture, and genocide, and after months of reporting on the Libyan rebels' penchant for war crimes, the London Telegraph has finally admitted in short that the rebels are in fact genocidal racists. In the Telegraph's article "Gaddafi's ghost town after the loyalists retreat," it is reported that rebels have taken the city of Tawarga, where the entire civilian population was either killed, rounded up, or exiled.

The article notes "racist undercurrents" within the Libyan rebellion, a factor independent analysts have been warning about since NATO intervened in March. The report also quotes rebel leaders as saying in regards to the vast amount of property left behind by the exiled population, "the military council will decide what will happen to the buildings. But over our dead bodies will the Tawargas return." Another rebel commender concluded, "Tawarga no longer exists." Of course, exiling an entire civilian population from their homes and arbitrarily seizing their property is a grievous war crime, and in this particular case, a war crime done under NATO cover, with US and British diplomatic recognition of the war criminals remaining steadfast, and even many of the arms and the training used to carry out such war crimes courtesy of NATO.

With the fate of Tawarga befalling an increasingly larger number of cities and towns amidst NATO's campaign of "liberation," increasingly fierce resistance throughout Libya, including by the entire populations of both Sirte and Bani Walid, is not unexpected. They indeed face NATO sanctioned door-to-door genocide, exile, theft, looting, torture, and in essence everything in reality that NATO falsely accused Qaddafi of doing to justify their military intervention in the first place. Libya is turning out to be a NATO-led Hitlerian campaign of conquest, complete with collective punishment and ground troops carrying out appalling atrocities. The rebels are literally led by a US State Department and UK Home Office listed terror organization, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), who's commander Abdulhakim Hasadi has openly admitted to fighting NATO troops in Afghanistan. What's worse is that these facts are not revelations, but well-known inconvenient truths NATO, with the help of the corporate-media, has tried to bury, spin, or otherwise obfuscate until the point of no return in their Libyan intervention had been reached.

As NATO races to dress up their failed operation in Libya as a success so that they can escape an upcoming September 19 vote on continuing the UN mandate under which this crime against humanity is being committed, the lies will become more acute and the atrocities infinitely more brutal and widespread. Now more than ever do Libyan's require a robust alternative media to cover the truth, "read between the lies" of the corporate-news networks, and ensure that this nation of 6 million is not buried by NATO in deception or the stark silence of public apathy.


Canada to extend Libya mission by three months
Harper to formally announce extension at NATO meeting next week (http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/14/canada-to-extend-libya-mission-by-three-months/)
by macleans.ca on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:31pm - 2 Comments

Canada will extend its involvement in NATO’s Libya mission by three months, CTV reports. Prime Minister Stephen Harper is expected to formally announce the decision next week at a NATO meeting in New York. Canadian warplanes joined the bombing effort earlier this year to protect civilians from forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi. Now the former rebels control much of the country, but pockets of loyalist resistance remain. Gadhafi’s whereabouts are also unknown. Abubaker Karmos, a Libyan dignitary to Canada, told CTV that his country still needs the protection of Canadian forces. He also suggested that Canadian companies could be rewarded with construction contracts as Libya begins rebuilding after its civil war. On Tuesday, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird announced that Canada will reopen its embassy in Tripoli. He also said more than $2 billion in frozen Libyan assets will be released so that the new Libyan government can restore electricity, water and hospital service to people in the country.

http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=166581

[osoab]

I tried to find this thread using the search function last night. I used Libya as my parameters. This thread didn't show up on the first page of selections for me.

[keehah]

With many embedded links at original site.

Al Qaeda LIFG leader Abdul Belhaj writes column for London Guardian!
Global elite defile memories of "War on Terror" dead, humor terrorist Belhaj who fought and killed Western troops. (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/al-qaeda-lifg-leader-abdul-belhaj.html#more)

Tony Cartalucci, Contributing Writer
Activist Post

One would think Abdul Belhaj, leader of Libya's NATO-backed seizure of Tripoli a month ago would be an overly busy man. After all, the city itself is still not secure enough to move the alleged "National Transitional Council" there to preside over the war torn nation, and rebel forces 85 miles southeast near Bani Walid have been soundly defeated and are now slinking away from the battlefield.

Meanwhile, the "final, final" siege of Sirte looks to be once again stalled, and now civilians fleeing the brutalized city are claiming NATO and revolutionaries, not Qaddafi, are committing genocide against the civilians of Libya. [1]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Llxbk1acyM/ToLLbiH9hgI/AAAAAAAAA5A/1G-WFKN2ya4/s400/belhaj_jpg_1315_1315703cl-8.jpg
Photo: The face of Libya's "revolution" is literally Al Qaeda. The Western world now enters surreal territory as men who have certifiably killed Americans are writing pro-NATO propaganda for British newspapers.

However, Mr. Belhaj has had time, apparently, allegedly, to draft a lengthy editorial titled, "The revolution belongs to all Libyans, secular or not," gladly published by the London Guardian, where he is allowed to go on at length, whitewashing what is essential a life-long career in terrorism, and expound the merits of the wholesale mass murder he and his cohorts, under NATO cover, are committing against the Libyan people. Belhaj, for those that don't know, is a founding member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), an official Al Qaeda affiliate, and listed by both the US State Department [2] and the United Kingdom Home Office [3] as a foreign terrorist organization and proscribed terrorist organization respectively. LIFG was the subject of a lengthy report issued by West Point's Combating Terrorism Center [4] regarding foreign fighters turning up in Iraq killing US and British soldiers, LIFG and more specifically, the Benghazi-Darnah region of Libya lending more fighters to Iraq per-capita than any other nation, including Saudi Arabia.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XDJbHr3QGtY/ToLQN9cGuEI/AAAAAAAAA5I/ZGYITr9kbSY/s400/TerroristOpEd.jpeg
Image: Terrorist Op-Ed. The Guardian affords Belhaj, commander of LIFG, a US/UK listed terrorist organization ample room to praise NATO's efforts in Libya and give stern warnings to those that threaten to impede his "freedoms."
....
Belhaj's Guardian piece, worded suspiciously more like a US State Department PR release than an essay by an Al Qaeda terrorist, verbatim touches on each and every point made by the US, UK, NATO, and found within UNSC r.1973. Belhaj maintains that in 2010 he was released from Libyan prison after promising to abandon his campaign of terror in Libya, only to go on to lead armed insurrection against the Libyan government months later in February of 2011. Belhaj claims that the revolution turned violent only after Qaddafi used force against protesters - this is a verified lie, as Belhaj and his LIFG have been in continuous US/UK-backed armed conflict with Qaddafi's government for over 30 years.

Belhaj, after this intitial, seemingly scripted litany of lies goes on to make veiled threats against the new "transitional government" over the dangers of "excluding" members of the "revolution." He then thanks the "international community" presumibly NATO who literally handed the country to him - NATO whose soldiers he was killing in the mountains of Afghanistan, and whose soldiers his fellow LIFG fighters were killing in Iraq, and whose member states captured, imprisoned and tortured him. Belhaj looks forward to Libya becoming a "politically, economically and socially advanced civil state" and a "dynamic player among the family of nations." Compared to the secular leaders Belhaj claims to fear will undermine his and his followers' "freedom" one must wonder where exactly the divergence in ideology is, as both seem to relish the concepts of globalization [5].

One doesn't know whether to laugh, cry, or scream. Not just because of the obvious fraudulent propaganda the Gaurdian is trying to pass off as the words of a stone cold killer with the writing prowess of a statesman, or the fact that the Guardian, even as a hoax, is affording column space to the leader of a listed terrorist organization who we are told is part of a decade long war that has cost millions their lives, liberty, national stability, and economic prosperity. It is the fact that the Guardian, along with the rest of the corporate media is trying to literally rewrite reality and paradigms they have forced down our throats for decades with new narratives so ridiculous and contrived it is an assault against human dignity.

The Guardian itself is a corporate-owned propaganda machine, a member of the unelected policy think-tank Chatham House [6], along side a myriad of other media, corporate, and financier interests that in reality shape our national and global destiny rather than the politicians we think we elect to represent us and our interests. Think-tanks like the Chatham House represent the collective interests and agenda of the world's most powerful elite. They are the literal architects and helping hands that propel the global elite's agenda forward, as clearly the Guardian is now in trying to rewrite the narrative regarding the 10 year ongoing "War on Terror" by whitewashing and elevating one of the war's most notorious terrorists by either giving him column space, or ghost writing a column in his name.

Quite truly if Belhaj wrote this farcical, verbatim repeat of US State Department talking points regarding Libya and its future, one must wonder what prompted Belhaj to fight in the mountains of Afghanistan against US troops in the first place. Surely what is good for Libya is good for Afghanistan. We must also wonder why this terrorist and his organization, apparently enamored with the the idea of fitting into the "family of nations" were fighting in Iraq against nations he is now thankful toward. More than likely Belhaj has been turned into another fictional character upon the stage of globalist theater, confounding an ignorant public with well-written statements giving well-intentioned people exactly what they want to hear, however debased the logic or reality may be.

And, above all, let us remember this is not only "Obama's War" but a war of the global elite including big oil, big banks, the military defense industry, and many of the "Neo-Conservatives" that helped engineer the "War on Terror" during Bush's "administration." In fact, some of the most vehement supporters of Obama's war in Libya have included John McCain [7] who was literally praising the Benghazi terror brigades in person, and the remnants of the Bush era "Project for a New American Century." [8]

The "War on Terror" is a war on free humanity by the criminally insane. Civilians, police, and military alike, who adhere to any code of honor must face the reality that their leadership has lost all legitimacy and needs to be expediently removed from power. Hard decisions are coming as the insanity becomes ever more acute. A certified terrorist writing columns for a British newspaper regarding a war that is supported by both "left" and "right" political establishment should ring alarms and conjure horror in even the most skeptical of minds.

[1] The Australian, "Civilians accuse NATO of massacre in Sirte raids" September 28, 2011
[2] US State Department, List of Foreign Terrorist Organizations, #26 Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG)
[3] UK Home Office Proscribed Terrorist Groups, page 5
[4] 2007 West Point Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) report
[5] The Future of Libya: A View from the Opposition, Brookings Institution May 12, 2011
[6] Chatham House, Standard Corporate Members, listed as "Guardian, The"
[7] Senate.gov, Statement by Senator McCain in Benghazi, Libya April 22, 2011
[8] Foreign Policy Initiative, Foreign Policy Experts Urge House Republicans to Support U.S. Operations in Libya, June 20, 2011


Tony Cartalucci's articles have appeared on many alternative media websites, including his own at
Land Destroyer Report.

[osoab]

Kirk, 3 other GOP senators visit Libya (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-kirk-3-other-gop-senators-visit-libya-20110929,0,2556761.story)



WASHINGTON—Sen. Mark Kirk (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/mark-kirk-PEPLT003562.topic) of Illinois and three Republican Senate colleagues are visiting Libya (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/intl/libya-PLGEO00000082.topic) Thursday and meeting with its Transitional National Council (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/interim-transitional-national-council-ORGOV000262.topic), a Kirk aide said.

Kirk, in a news release, said he was in Tripoli “to assess the situation and meet the new leaders of Libya.”

He added: "It is clear that they are in the final stage of defeating Gadhafi's army and as Libya recovers, we can look forward to a new ally and friend of the US."

"To accelerate the recovery of the country and relieve humanitarian pressure, the U.S. should replace the ‘no-fly zone (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/unrest-conflicts-war/wars-interventions/international-military-interventions/libyan-no-fly-zone-%282011%29-EVGAP00008.topic)’ with a ‘pro-fly zone,’ encouraging as much civilian commerce as possible.

“We should also transfer ownership and control of Gadhafi's $34 billion frozen by the U.S. to the new Transitional National Council."

Kirk, in a Tweet, said he was with the chairman of Libya’s Transitional National Council and “look forward to new friend of America.”

Kirk, a commander in the U.S. Navy (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/unrest-conflicts-war/defense/u.s.-navy-ORGOV0000126141144.topic) Reserve, is traveling with Sen. John McCain (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/elections/u.s.-elections/john-mccain-PEPLT004278.topic) of Arizona, Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Sen. Marco Rubio (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics/government/marco-rubio-PEPLT007456.topic) of Florida, said Greg Lemon, Kirk’s press secretary.

Kirk planned a conference call with reporters later Thursday.I listened to a radio spot earlier today with quotes from Kirk.

He expects gasoline prices to decline when the Libyan oil coming back online shortly. The increasing of global gasoline stocks will reduce the price here.

He was and still is completely behind Obummer's decision to invade/support the rebels in Libya.

It was just too funny and disheartening to listen. The propaganda is thick.

[midnight rambler]

The propaganda is thick.

Yeah, what's Libya's output relative to the rest, 1-2%? And when prices at the pump come down a nickel or a dime, then these aholes can gloat and say, "See, we told you the price of gasoline would come down."

All that matters is that the meme 'gasoline prices will come down' gets pushed, perception is reality.

[osoab]

Yeah, what's Libya's output relative to the rest, 1-2%? And when prices at the pump come down a nickel or a dime, then these aholes can gloat and say, "See, we told you the price of gasoline would come down."

All that matters is that the meme 'gasoline prices will come down' gets pushed, perception is reality.


It is really what of their output goes comes to the states. It's is only around 5% or so. I think using gasoline prices as a line of reasoning is because the sheep will see lower pump prices as good.

Unfortunately there is no mention of the vast amount of fuel used by NATO for this whole psyop Mediterranean war game.

[keehah]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!

Extraordinary pictures show Libyan city shelled to smithereens

These astonishing photographs show how the rebel fighters, as the NTC was previously dubbed, are slowly tightening their strangle-hold around the city - with pro-Gaddafi fighters now only occupying a tiny section.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049108/Libya-wars-stand-Sirte-Pictures-city-shelled-smithereens.html#ixzz1anjh6zBP
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049108-0E5CF30E00000578-204_964x618.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049108-0E5CF17200000578-699_470x528.jpg

[Cebu_4_2]

My son was looking at the other photos and said 'look at the jew beards' damn.

[Book]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSCDtBKmvYU

Hillary sez we gots to protect the Libyan civilians...lol.

::)

[joboo]

Yeah, the rag tag team of well groomed "rebel" fighters in immaculately spotless military uniforms top to bottom boots and all.

The you get fuckstick malone with the ZZ top shades holding a guitar that looks like it just came out of a music shop 10 minutes ago.

What a fucking media circus psyops joke.

[Mouse]

You can see the Century Arms stamp on his "AK" haha

[Neuro]

Yeah, the rag tag team of well groomed "rebel" fighters in immaculately spotless military uniforms top to bottom boots and all.

The you get fuckstick malone with the ZZ top shades holding a guitar that looks like it just came out of a music shop 10 minutes ago.

What a fucking media circus psyops joke.
I guess to many people this picture means that freedom is winning in Libya, unfortunately way too many people...

[Hatha Sunahara]

In her YT Video above, Hillary demonstrates some pretty hefty application of "Newspeak' and 'Doublethink'.

Protecting civilians? Just like they do here by depriving us of our constitutional and human rights. The best way to protect them, according to Hillary is to kill them. And that is what unaccountable Nato and Barack and Hillary are doing in Libya.


Hatha

[keehah]

Sirte's Defenders mount fierce counter attack in Sirte (http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/gaddafi-fighters-mount-fierce-attack-in-sirte/story-e6frfku0-1226167651904)

[October 16, 2011]
MUAMMAR Gaddafi loyalists have mounted a fierce counter attack in the city of Sirte overnight, forcing back new regime fighters under a barrage of rockets and shelling.

Fighters of the Transitional National Council (TNC) fled helter-skelter just over two kilometres to the captured police headquarters in the Mediterranean city, one of Gaddafi's last holdouts.

"Run, run, run!" rang out from the retreating forces.

After absorbing rocket fire and shells from TNC fighters in the morning and early afternoon, Gaddafi diehards now concentrated in two neighborhoods - the Dollar and Number Two - unleashed their own barrage late afternoon.

As Grad and other rockets, shells and machinegun fire rained down on them, TNC combatants, taken by surprise, quickly fled the positions on the edge of the two neighborhoods that they had held since Friday night...

Gaddafi fighters are now concentrated in a small place but we can't enter all at the same time. We need a plan to defeat them," Omran Allahoyb, commander of a Misrata brigade, said before the pro-Ghadafi advance.

"We can take this place in one day but I will lose 100 men," he said, adding that the best strategy would be to bomb the area of around a half square mile (1.5 square km) into defeat.

Black Libyans Make Their Stand in Sirte and Bani Walid - Glen Ford

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPmpnqKe7bY

[osoab]

Is this the 3rd or 4th time that Sirte has been or going to be taken?

[keehah]

Is this the 3rd or 4th time that Sirte has been or going to be taken?

Kind of makes sense. The NATO backed forces are no longer in life or death struggle to take over. They are just in another tribe's territory exterminating what I suppose NATO has to also consider the black minority 'problem' in this area of Africa. Its not all that heroic, they don't want to risk a determined offensive to kill the remaining black men. Especially when they can rely on NATO to do it for them.

[Awoke]

Just curious, is this the proper way to hold and fire a rocket launcher?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049108-0E5954A800000578-621_470x423.jpg

[PatColo]

In her YT Video above, Hillary demonstrates some pretty hefty application of "Newspeak' and 'Doublethink'.

Protecting civilians? Just like they do here by depriving us of our constitutional and human rights. The best way to protect them, according to Hillary is to kill them. And that is what unaccountable Nato and Barack and Hillary are doing in Libya.


Hatha

NATO protects civilians from terrorists by murdering them (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/12-10-2011/119311-sirte_nato-0/)

[Celtic Rogue]

I have a bad feeling that they will be protecting civilians here soon! Yep a bad feeling!

[keehah]

Hillary Clinton Shows her true nature. Qaddafi We came, we saw, he died

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AbmxErjtUoM

[keehah]

Looney toons (Disney): NATO & Al-CIAda - Crazy With The Heat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoo1HkaG0Ww

[Errosion Of Accord]

LOL


Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its "basic source".

But that formulation can be interpreted in many ways - it was also the basis of Egypt's largely secular constitution under President Hosni Mubarak, and remains so after his fall.

Mr Abdul-Jalil went further, specifically lifting immediately, by decree, one law from Col. Gaddafi's era that he said was in conflict with Sharia - that banning polygamy.

In a blow to those who hoped to see Libya's economy integrate further into the western world, he announced that in future bank regulations would ban the charging of interest, in line with Sharia. "Interest creates disease and hatred among people," he said.

Gulf states like the United Arab Emirates, and other Muslim countries, have pioneered the development of Sharia-compliant banks which charge fees rather than interest for loans but they normally run alongside western-style banks.
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In the first instance, interest on low-value loans would be waived altogether, he said.

Libya is already the most conservative state in north Africa, banning the sale of alcohol. Mr Abdul-Jalil's decision - made in advance of the introduction of any democratic process - will please the Islamists who have played a strong role in opposition to Col Gaddafi's rule and in the uprising but worry the many young liberal Libyans who, while usually observant Muslims, take their political cues from the West.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html



In your face imperialist and Rothschilds. I can't help but chuckle. This must surely mean that the war continues so that we can remove the new terrorist presidente

[osoab]

Travellers allegedly rob €200k of CIA money that spook gave Libyan rebel living in Ireland. (http://www.organizedrage.com/2011/11/travellers-allegedly-rob-200k-of-cia.html)



According to police sources a well known gang of Irish travellers are in the middle of a holy war - after liberating €200,000 cash destined for Libyan 'rebels.' In a tale worthy of the John le Carre thriller Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, the travelers are said to have hit the jackpot when they robbed a home in Dublin's Firhouse.

As well as a haul of family jewels, they stumbled upon €200,000 in €500 bills hidden in the hot press. But the homeowner was well-known Irish Libyan 'freedom fighter' Mahdi al-Harati, who was one of the leaders of the bloody revolt against Gaddafi.

He has told cops that the cash was a gift from US secret agents to aid the war effort in Libya. Now the money trail has led to the traveller strongholds in Rathkeale, where €500 notes have been popping up all over the place.

Cash donated by U.S. spooks stolen from hot press

A gang of rogue Irish travellers is in the 'frame' for the bizarre robbery of €200,000 in cash donated by US spies to Libyan freedom fighters. In an astonishing tale worthy of the John le Carre novel Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, the cash that was destined for rebels fighting Colonel Gaddafi's forces was stolen from a hot press in a Dublin house.

Gardai are now investigating the extraordinary robbery which is being blamed on a traveller gang from the Limerick town of Rathkeale. An Irish freedom fighter who helped bring down Gaddafi's regime in Libya has claimed that €200,000 cash stolen from his Dublin home was given to him by an American intelligence agency.

The Sunday World reported they can reveal that gardai are investigating the robbery of two envelopes containing €200,000 in €500 notes from the home of Mahdi al-Harati in Firhouse, south Dublin, and that the money trail is leading to the Rathkealers. Al-Harati was in Libya following the successful campaign that toppled Gaddafi when the rebel's house was broken into on October 6.

RANSACKED

His Irish wife, Eftaima al-Najar, received a phone call from a local school informing her that one of her four children had a badly injured leg and had been taken to Tallaght Hospital. Eftaima spent a number of hours in the Accident and Emergency department and when she returned home and opened the front door, she realised the house had been broken into. Her house had been ransacked and a substantial amount of expensive Libyan and Egyptian jewellery had been taken from the couple's bedroom.

The hot press had also been emptied and she immediately phoned gardai at Tallaght Garda station and reported the robbery. When detectives arrived at the scene, Eftaima told them that her husband had left a substantial amount of cash with her before he went to Libya. She said she had hid the money in the hot press in two envelopes and estimated that they contained €200,000.

Astonished officers made contact with Mahdi al-Harati who told them that he had travelled to France, the United States and Qatar the previous month and that representatives of an American intelligence agency had given him a significant amount of money to help in the efforts to defeat Gaddafi. He said he left two envelopes with his wife in case he was killed and took the rest of the cash with him when he went back to Libya.

The couple had no comment to make when the Sunday World called to their home last week. Al-Harati led the main rebel advance that captured Tripoli on August 21, a move regarded as being the beginning of the end for Gaddafi. He was appointed deputy leader of Tripoli's military council, a group which had the aim of merging all rebel units into one coherent national army.

Just days after the robbery in his home, al-Harati resigned from the council and returned to Dublin and has since been formally interviewed by gardai. Astonished detectives have launched a major probe into the daring robbery and issued an alert to all banks to be on the lookout for €500 notes, which are extremely rare in Ireland but would be relatively common in other European countries.

First published here. (http://www.sundayworld.com/columnists/index.php)

Opps, the plot thickens.

[keehah]

http://creekside1.blogspot.com/2011/10/harpers-very-own-mission-accomplished.html

"Never again," said Steve [Oct.21], will Gadhafi "be in a position to support terrorism or to turn guns on his own citizens."...
Rather heartening however is the G&M readers' response to Clark's article, with the majority of the 960 comments under it using terms like "delusional" and "jingoistic" and "colonialism".

CBC News: Nova Scotia welcomes home Canadian troops (http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/news/story/2011/11/05/ns-greenwood-welcomes-home-troops.html)

Nov 5, 2011
The Canadian Forces pilots who flew missions over Libya were based in Trapani, Italy. The crews flew about 1,400 hours during the mission, according to Pulchny.

The CP-140 Aurora Maritime Patrol aircraft played a pivotal role in the NATO mission. In Libya, the aircraft's task was to fly ahead of the CF-18s and target areas where Gadhafi's troops and opposition fighters were in civilian areas. Then the CF-18s would follow and bomb the targeted areas.

With the mission over, and Gadhafi dead, NATO has called the operation a success.

http://www.asiantribune.com/sites/asiantribune.com/files/Al_Quida_1.JPG
The court house in Benghazi where the Libyan revolt started.
Al-Qaeda flag hoisted in post-Qaddafi Libya (http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/11/07/al-qaeda-flag-hoisted-post-qaddafi-libya)

Washington, DC. 07 November (Asiantribune.com):

It was at the courthouse in Benghazi where the first spark of the Libyan revolution ignited. It’s the symbolic seat of the revolution; post-Gaddafi Libya’s equivalent of Egypt’s Tahrir Square.

And it was here, in the tumultuous months of civil war, that the ragtag rebel forces established their provisional government and primitive, yet effective, media center from which to tell foreign journalists about their “fight for freedom.”

But according to multiple eyewitnesses— Sheriff Elhelwa who was an eye witness to the hoisting of al-Qaeda flag included—one can now see both the Libyan rebel flag and the flag of al Qaeda fluttering atop Benghazi’s courthouse.

According to one Benghazi resident, Islamists driving brand-new SUVs and waving the black al Qaeda flag, drive the city’s streets at night shouting, "Islamiya, Islamiya! No East, No West,"

[keehah]

Canada's CF-18s In Libya Mission Return Home (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/04/canada-cf18-fighters-libya_n_1077166.html)

[11/4/11] The CF-18 pilots who flew missions over Libya returned to Canada Friday, landing at Bagotville, Que.

Chief of Defence Staff Walt Natynczyk was scheduled to meet the crews and seven aircraft.

The Canadian Forces CF-18 aircraft conducted 946 sorties, making up 10 per cent of NATO strike sorties, the Canadian Forces said in a release. Over the course of their sorties, the fighters dropped 696 bombs of various types.

"Canada once again punched above its weight as part of an international coalition," Defence Minister Peter MacKay said in a statement. "The men and women of the Canadian Forces confirmed their leadership position at NATO and the role they can play in successful international operations."

...The deployment of Canadian gear to the region included a frigate, CC-150 Polaris in-flight refuelling tankers, CC-130 Hercules tankers, and CP-140 Aurora maritime patrol aircraft, Canadian Forces said.

[keehah]

Bad Moon Rising over Great Sirte Bay (http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/bad-moon-rising-over-great-sirte-bay.html)

Canadian troops who served on Libya mission to be honoured on Parliament Hill (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-troops-served-libya-honoured-parliament-hill-181009399.html)

[PatColo]

"The Ugly Truth" podcast:

TUT Podcast nov 21, 2011 (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/tut-podcast-nov-21-2011/)

Posted: November 22, 2011

http://www.usafricaonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/libyan-rebels-2011.jpg
The ‘liberation’ of Libya–nothing but a Zionist-engineered bloodbath carried out by hired radical thugs. We are joined by Palestinian Journalist Sammi Ibrahem and Moeen Raoof, consultant in humanitarian and emergency aid who was on the ground in Libya and witnessed things kept hidden from public view by interested parties running the media in the West.


Download Here (http://theuglytruth.podbean.com/mf/web/v88at4/TUT21NOV2011IbrahemRaoofFIN.mp3)

[keehah]

Bomb voyage: 600 Libyans ‘already fighting in Syria’ (http://rt.com/news/libya-syria-fighters-smuggled-475/)
RT 29 November, 2011

The Libyan government apparently wants to share its successful experience of overthrowing the Gaddafi regime with like-minded Syrians. It has sent 600 of its troops to support local militants against the Assad regime, according to media reports.

The fighters have joined the Free Syria Army, the militant group carrying out attacks on government forces in Syria, reports the Egyptian news website Al-Ray Al-Arabi citing its sources. The report says the troops entered Syria through Turkish territory.

The alleged incursion happened with the consent of the chairman of the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) Mustafa Abdul Jalil. The NTC allegedly welcomed volunteers to join the surge.

Last Friday British media reported a secret meeting between NTC envoys and Syrian rebels had been held in Istanbul. The Libyan governing body reportedly pledged to supply arms, money and fighters to the Syrians.

Bashar Assad’s government has repeatedly accused foreign forces of smuggling armed groups and weapons into Syria and thus fueling the ongoing violence.

In mid-October the Libyan NTC was the first government to recognize the rebel Syrian National Council as the legitimate representatives of the Syrian people.

The Libyan population is in possession of many weapons, which they received during the civil war by plundering military depots, through smuggling or as aid from NATO members and countries like Qatar, which took part in the ousting of Muammar Gaddafi. The NTC has difficulties in disarming the ex-rebels, who want to keep their firearms, either for personal protection or as means to make their living.

In November, the Libyan capital, Tripoli, saw a mass protest by the rebels, who demanded that the NTC pay their wages. Some even threatened to overthrow the new government the way they did with the previous one, unless their demands are met.

Funneling armed, underemployed and eager-to-fight youngsters to another country could be a convenient move for the NTC. The Syrian government, however, is likely to see them as mercenaries, which NATO member Turkey allowed into their country as an alternative to a full-scale military campaign, which is impossible without the sanction of the United Nations Security Council.
______________

As the “Humanitarian Warriors” Gloat… Here’s the Key Question in the Libyan War (http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/12/as-humanitarian-warriors-gloat-heres.html)
by DIANA JOHNSTONE.. via uruknet DECEMBER 1, 2011

Bernard-Henri Lévy had the last word: “War is not a bad thing in itself! If it makes it possible to avoid a greater violence, it is a necessary evil – that’s the whole theory of just war.”

[Nuremberg Tribunal] “War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent states alone, but affect the whole world. To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”...

The “key question”? There are many important questions raised by the Libya war, and many important and valid reasons to have opposed it and to oppose it still. Like the Kosovo war, it has left a legacy of hatred in the targeted country whose consequences may poison the lives of the people living there for generations. That of course is of no particular interest to people in the West who pay no attention to the human damage wrought by their humanitarian killing. It is only the least visible result of those wars.

For my part, the key issue which motivates my opposition to the Libya war is what it means for the future of the United States and of the world. For well over half a century, the United States has been cannibalized by its military-industrial complex, which has infantilized its moral sense, squandered its wealth and undermined its political integrity. Our political leaders are not genuine leaders, but have been reduced to the role of apologists for this monster, which has a bureaucratic momentum of its own – proliferating military bases around the world, seeking out and even creating servile client states, needlessly provoking other powers such as Russia and China. The primary political duty of Americans and their European allies should be to reduce and dismantle this gigantic military machine before it leads us all inadvertently into “the supreme international crime” of no return.

So my principal opposition to this recent war is precisely that, at a time when even some in Washington were hesitant, the “humanitarian interventionists” such as Bernard-Henry Lévy, with their sophistic “R2P” pretense of “protecting innocent civilians”, have fed and encouraged this monster by offering it “the low-hanging fruit” of an easy victory in Libya. This has made the struggle to bring a semblance of peace and sanity to the world even more difficult than it was already.

[keehah]

Rival Militias in Libya Wage Turf Battles, Defy Interim Government (http://news.antiwar.com/2011/12/03/rival-militias-in-libya-wage-turf-battles-defy-interim-government/)
Widespread criminality and defiant armed gangs destabilize the newly-formed post-Gadhafi country
Antiwar.com, by John Glaser, December 03, 2011

Rival militias about 10 miles west of Libya’s capital clashed violently over the weekend (http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/12/03/libya-militias-idINDEE7B207J20111203) (Reuters), ending with the death of one local official and the destruction of a militia base to rubble.

Libya’s new government has still not been able to assert control over the country, as armed gangs and militias – formerly America’s freedom fighters – defiantly wage turf wars and destabilize the new interim government a mere two months after Mummar Gadhafi’s death.

In this particular incident, Ashraf Abdelsalam Al-Marni Swayha, deputy head of the Janzour military council, drove up to a checkpoint being manned by rebel fighters from Zintan who played a large role in ousting Gadhafi.

At the checkpoint, Swayha told the fighters that he was deputy head of the local militia. ”They answered him: ‘We do not care about the Janzour military council.’ He ordered his driver to go and they started shooting at him,” head of the local council in Janzour, Abdelnasser Frandah said.

The gangs and militias are heavily armed and peppered throughout the country, determined to assert their own local control and defy the new post-Gadhafi government.

Further destabilizing for Libya’s road to democracy propagandized about by the rebels’ American backers is the serious delinquency and war crimes committed by many of these groups. To boot, former Libyan fighters are still holding up to 7,000 prisoners without charge (http://news.antiwar.com/2011/11/28/libya-still-holding-7000-people-without-due-process/) or trial and the illicit arms trade (http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/19/looting-of-weapons-stockpiles-in-libya-augurs-poorly-for-rebel-order/) is causing problems in and around Libya.

[Cebu_4_2]

I appreciate your updates in this matter, I hope Libya is able to go back to the good place that it was before this crap started.

[midnight rambler]

I appreciate your updates in this matter, I hope Libya is able to go back to the good place that it was before this crap started.

Sure it will.

Afghanistan before and after.

http://www.irintech.com/x1/images/jean/40_yrs_paghman_gardens_kabul_afg.jpg

Once the Death Cult gets their meathooks into something it's never the same again.

[Neuro]

Not "freedom fighters" again...

[keehah]

CBC News, (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/lockerbie/trial.html)

13 August 2003
like a question on an international law exam:

For 25 marks: If a Libyan national is accused of setting in action in Malta a murderous course of events that culminates in an American jet six miles over Scotland killing people on the ground as well as passengers, where, and under whose law, should the accused be tried?...

The Lockerbie charges were made simultaneously in Washington and Edinburgh in November, 1991: murder, conspiracy to murder, contravention of international aviation laws. A request to Libya for extradition of the two accused was made. The intention was to try them in the U.S. or Scotland.

It took seven years of pressure to get to the stage of preparing for a trial. The UN first asked Libya to co-operate and was refused. A series of UN sanctions against Libya, including embargoes and the freezing of assets, failed to get that co-operation. Finally, in 1998, the combined efforts of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and Nelson Mandela, along with pressure from the Arab League and a proposal to try the accused in a neutral country under Scottish law, prevailed.

BBC: Abdelbaset al-Megrahi: "The truth will become clear one day...new facts will be announced" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-15153653)

3 October 2011
The man convicted of the 1988 Lockerbie bombing has told the Reuters news agency the truth would emerge soon.

Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was interviewed in his home in Tripoli where he has lived since being sent home from a Scottish prison.

He had been serving a life sentence for murdering 270 people in the bombing but was released on compassionate grounds after being diagnosed with cancer.

He was released in August 2009, with an estimated three months to live.

Megrahi is seen in the Reuters interview in bed with oxygen containers beside him, although he was not wearing an oxygen mask.

He told the interviewer he had only a few months to live at best.

Megrahi also described how he was running short of vital medicine and said he had only enough pills to last four days.

"I have a problem with medicine," he said.

"Now there is a Tunisian person who is trying to find alternative medicine. I have only four tablets and after this it will finish. It will finish in four days.

"My friends and family are trying to bring me the medicine from outside.

"Why is this the way I am treated?...

BBC: Lockerbie bomber protests innocence in 'last' interview (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-16298313)

22 December 2011
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi has given what he described as his "last interview" and again denied any involvement in the Lockerbie bombing.

Megrahi is the only person to have been convicted in connection with the 1988 attack, which killed 270 people...

He was released on compassionate grounds in 2009, after being diagnosed with cancer, and returned to Libya.

Scotland's Lord Advocate Frank Mulholland travelled to the US for the memorial and laid a wreath on behalf of the people of Scotland.

He also made a speech in remembrance of the victims of the atrocity and met their relatives.

Earlier this week, he met FBI director Robert Mueller and US attorney general Eric Holder to discuss the opportunities for stepping up the investigation in Libya into the bombing.

Mr Mulholland said: "I think I would be failing in my duty if I didn't properly seek to take advantage of the opportunity that has opened up with the fall of Gaddafi.

An explanation: http://lockerbiecase.blogspot.com/

[osoab]

Bwahahaha

Muammar Gaddafi Voted As Human Rights Hero Of The Year (http://mathaba.net/news/?x=629712)


http://mathaba.net/news/libya/i/2011/mq-hr-ai500.jpg



Amnesty International is getting a taste of Karma and reality: Muammar Gaddafi is leading the Human Right Hero of 2011 award of Amnesty International USA's online poll



Dr Heidrun Eckert and Louis Szondy

Voting in an online poll by Amnesty International USA for "Human Rights Hero of 2011" is bringing up some human rights champions, that the western media have ignored. One favorite is Michael Jackson, and another is a human rights activist in Bahrain, Nabeel Rajab, while currently in the lead with more people still voting, is Muammar Gaddafi.

Allowing for the fact that Arabic names have numerous spellings, the race is clearly between Nabeel Rajab and Muammar Gaddafi. Votes are still for the entire month of January, so please continue to vote (http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629658) for Muammar Gaddafi, for reasons we elaborate upon below (and please use that exact spelling when voting).

Many people in the world are happy to see Muammar Gaddafi on the top of voting for the "Human Rights Hero of 2011" award, after he had been due to receive a United Nations award for his contribution to human rights (http://bit.ly/libyamusic), but instead one month before it was due, the United Nations allowed bankrupted western countries to wage a massive war on Libya, killing over 100,000 and razing entire cities to the ground, while the media (http://wiki.mathaba.net/Media) focused on the spreading of rumors and disinformation.

Fears are that Amnesty International, which earned the nickname Amnesia International because of its failure to expose and oppose the massive human rights violations of NATO and its mercenaries in Libya, in spite of wide spread video, photographic and documentary evidence (http://mathaba.net/news/www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629346), will avoid giving him this prize too.

Yet for his many fans who marvel at the Green Charter Human Rights Document (http://greencharter.com/files/igc.htm) which was law in Libya, the prize is not the issue at stake. Voting for Muammar Gaddafi is a means of informing people:

When 1.7 million Libyans, one third of the entire population and 95% of the capital city were demonstrating for Gaddafi (http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=627456) and the Jamahiriya system of direct participatory democracy, the main stream Western press did not even mention it, after having assisted yet another war on false pretenses "humanitarianism" while actually a grab for resources, destroying Africa's most wealthy infrastructure, while allowing a real humanitarian disaster in East Africa to go without aid. Voting for Gaddafi via the West's leading human rights organ which many read cannot be ignored, so perhaps Amnesty International will forge or not mention the real results, as it is a big slap in the face to that organization and its outdated concept of human rights: the UN document which was drafted by oppressive colonialist governments in 1949. People will start thinking: Human Rights Hero Gaddafi (http://greencharter.com/files/igc.htm)? Then he cannot be (http://bit.ly/libyamusic) what our politicians and press makes us believe. This inner change will be of consequences:

- Press needs readers. If they can no more sell their old stories, they will have to publish what people want: Truth. Or, more people will turn to truth news agencies such as Mathaba (http://www.mathaba.net/about/).

- All of us wish that the pilots of whatever army would refuse to execute inhuman orders such as bombing. By doing so they risk their existence and the existence of their families. As long as they are misinformed, they will hardly develop the needed courage to meet the consequences. But if they see:

"This Gaddafi is not the brutal dictator we were told, on the contrary. His followers are no fanatics but reasonable beings standing for Human Rights (http://greencharter.com/)." Then the chances are great that they obey the voice of their heart. Then more and more others will follow their example. Even the most criminal government can only act as long as there are people obeying their orders. Governments, knowing this, will be more cautious in giving orders when risking public disobedience.

- Last but not least: Imagine Hillary Clinton when learning about the votes for the man whom she wanted to be killed (http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=629075) and who appears to be most alive in the hearts of people.

One drop of water is helpless. An ocean is most powerful. So there should be more such opportunities which are simple to handle in any place of the world. So please, you too cast your vote, and use the exact spelling Muammar Gaddafi because the disadvantage of having an Arabic name is that there is not one way to spell it in English, but dozens -- another clear indication of the significance of the voting for Muammar Gaddafi, as his vote is divided among many different spellings, and it is not certain Amnesty International will take the time to go through all the votes submitted to tally them together, even assuming they'll make this embarrassing announcement.

To vote, go to www.amnestyusa.org/heroes (http://www.amnestyusa.org/heroes) and add "Muammar Gaddafi" as Human Rights Hero. #
http://www.mathaba.net/support (http://www.mathaba.net/support)

[Neuro]

I voted for him. Normally I don't think voting can change a lot, but this may be an exception.

[osoab]

I voted for him. Normally I don't think voting can change a lot, but this may be an exception.

When did you vote?

[Neuro]

When did you vote?

2nd of January, was it too late? They had the poll up though...

[osoab]

2nd of January, was it too late? They had the poll up though...

I tried when I posted and tried again two hours ago. Both times all the screen said was that voting has ended.

[keehah]

Peter MacKay marries West Vancouver beauty queen, human rights activist (http://www.canada.com/Peter+MacKay+marries+West+Vancouver+beauty+queen+h uman+rights+activist/5947252/story.html#ixzz1iXTiMqu8)
Postmedia News January 4, 2012

Canada's defence minister married Wednesday in a private ceremony way south of the border, according to his website.

Peter MacKay married Nazanin Afshin-Jam in a ceremony reported to have taken place in Mexico.

Afshin-Jam is Iranian-born and a former Miss Canada World. She has become a high-profile human rights activist who co-founded Stop Child Executions.

"She is the most important person in my life and over the coming months, Nazanin and I look forward to spending more time at home in Central Nova and sharing our happiness with all of you," MacKay said in a statement on his website.

"Nazanin and I would like to wish everyone a very Happy New Year and all the best for 2012."

Afshin-Jam's family fled Iran for Spain and West Vancouver when she was just a baby. She grew up in West Vancouver.

The former Miss World Canada spearheaded an international campaign...

More to come

Meanwhile.....

Cost of Canadian withdrawal from Afghanistan could climb due to blocked Pakistan border (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/01/04/cost-of-canadian-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-could-climb-due-to-blocked-pakistan-border/)
Postmedia News Jan 4, 2012

Hundreds of cargo containers of Canadian war supplies are stranded in volatile southern Afghanistan, thanks to an ongoing Pakistani blockade of routes exiting the landlocked country...

But Imran Ali, Pakistan’s deputy consul general in Toronto, told Postmedia News Wednesday that the Afghan-Pakistan border is shut tight for now.

“No containers are passing as of today,” he said. “There is a total sealing of the border.”

Ali said this problem began when United States forces bombed two Pakistani border posts in late November, leaving 24 soldiers dead and 13 wounded...

With Iran to the west, China to the east and the volatile and landlocked Central Asian republics to the north, there are few safe exit routes from Afghanistan.

If Pakistan keeps the border closed for long, Nethercott said, Canada could start shopping around for alternative routes.

“Significant delays will potentially require re-evaluation of how the (Canadian Forces) will repatriate the remaining materiel back to Canada in an effective and cost-efficient manner,” he wrote in an email.

[Cebu_4_2]

Militias may drag Libya into civil war, transitional government chief says



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By Mahmoud Habboush and Ali Shuaib,


TRIPOLI, Libya — Libya risks sliding into civil war unless it cracks down on the rival militias that filled the vacuum left by Moammar Gaddafi’s downfall, the head of the interim administration said after an outbreak of violence in the capital.
Mustafa Abdel Jalil, chairman of the Transitional National Council, issued the stark warning in response to a gun battle between militias in one of Tripoli’s busiest streets Tuesday that killed four fighters.

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Gallery
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_296w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/10/18/Foreign/Advance/Images/Mideast%20Libya-4730.jpg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/france-says-london-will-host-political-talks-next-week-on-libyas-future/2011/03/23/ABUKXew_gallery.html)
 Libya has emerged from its civil war and a new interim government has been established. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/france-says-london-will-host-political-talks-next-week-on-libyas-future/2011/03/23/ABUKXew_gallery.html)



More than two months after anti-Gaddafi forces captured and killed the former leader, Libya’s new rulers are still struggling to exert their authority as rival militia leaders refuse to cede control of their fighters and hand in their arms.
“We are now between two bitter options,” Abdel Jalil told a gathering in the eastern city of Benghazi late Tuesday. Either “we deal with these violations strictly and put the Libyans in a military confrontation that we don’t accept,” he said, “or we split, and there will be a civil war.”
The militias, drawn from dozens of towns and ideological camps, led the nine-month uprising, backed by NATO airstrikes, to end Gaddafi’s 42-year rule. Now, though, they appear to believe they must keep an armed presence in the capital to ensure they receive their share of political power.
The transitional council has begun to form a fully functioning army and police force to take over the task of providing security, although Abdel Jalil has acknowledged that progress has been too slow.
Tripoli is now an unruly patchwork of fiefdoms, each controlled by a different militia. Police are rarely seen, except when directing traffic, and there is no sign of the newly created national army.
The city has two main homegrown militias. One is led by Abdel Hakim Belhadj, an Islamist who spent time in Taliban camps in Afghanistan and now runs his militia from a luxury Tripoli hotel. The other is headed by Abdullah Naker, a former electronics engineer who is openly disdainful of Belhadj.
There are also the militias from outside town. Fighters from Zintan, an anti-Gaddafi bastion southwest of the capital, control the international airport.
Militias from the city of Misurata, east of Tripoli, have mostly withdrawn from central Tripoli but keep a presence in the eastern outskirts. Fighters from the Berber, or Amazigh, ethnic minority mark out their territory with their blue, green and yellow flags.
Another set of fighters from the east of Libya, the original heartland of the anti-Gaddafi revolt, add to the mix.
— Reuters

[Neuro]

WHAT A SURPRISE the thugs that killed Khadaffi can't agree amongst themselves...

Fucking great job, Hillary, NATO, UN, Ratchilds!

[osoab]

Cynthia McKinney: 12,000 U.S. troops bound for Libya (http://sfbayview.com/2012/cynthia-mckinney-12000-u-s-troops-bound-for-libya/)


Thousands of war prisoners under threat of imminent death

by Cynthia McKinney

It is with great disappointment that I receive the news from foreign media publications and Libyan sources that our president now has 12,000 U.S. troops stationed in Malta and they are about to make their descent into Libya.

For those of you who have not followed closely the situation in Libya, the resistance to rule of the National Transitional Council is strong. The National Transitional Council (NTC) cast of characters has about as much support on the ground as did Mahmoud Abbas before the United Nations’ request for Palestinian statehood or Afghanistan’s regal-looking but politically impotent Hamid Karzai or, for that matter, George W. Bush after eight years. The NTC not only has to contend with a vibrant, well-financed, grassroots-supported resistance, but the various militias of the NTC are now also fighting each other. I believe this “sociocide” of Libyan society, as we previously witnessed in Iraq and Afghanistan before it, is part of a carefully crafted plan of destabilization that ultimately serves U.S. imperial interests and those of a Zionist state and its U.S. agents who are bent on Greater Israel’s suzerainty over huge swaths of Arabic-speaking populations. Pakistan is also on the list for neutering in Muslim and world affairs, saddled with its own unpopular civilian leadership that finds itself in the hip pocket of the United States for survival, often getting sat upon by its fiscal guarantor.

The “Arab Spring” has sprung and the indelible fingerprints of malignant foreign financed operations must be erased if the people are to have a chance to truly govern themselves. Unfortunately, these foreign-inspired organizations are present and operating in just about every country in the world. The threat is ever-present like sleeping cells – all that is needed is that the right word to “activate” be given. Both Daniel Ortega and Hugo Chavez can write tomes on the impact of the National Endowment for Democracy in the political life of their countries.

In other words, those who create the chaos have a plan and, in the midst of chaos, they usually are the ones who will win. Those who wrote the plan of this chaos were affiliated with the Project for a New American Century – read A Clean Break if you already haven’t. Gen. Wesley Clark told us of the plan to invade and destroy the governments of seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran. “These people took control of the policy in the United States,” Clark continues. He concludes, “This country was taken over by a group of people with a policy coup: Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and … collaborators from the Project for a New American Century: they wanted us to destabilize the Middle East.” Richard Perle, Bill Kristol publicize these plans and “could hardly wait to finish Iraq so they could go into Syria,” Clark goes on. “The root of the problem is the strategy of the United States in this region. Why are Americans dying in this region? That is the issue,” he finishes.

Now, from Libya, reports are that even while the Misrata rebels – NATO allies responsible for the murder of hundreds of Libyans, including Moatessem Qaddafi – attempted to scale the petroleum platforms in Brega, an important oil town in Libya, they were annihilated by the Apache helicopters of their own NATO allies. A resistance Libyan doctor-become-journalist reported Thursday that all of the petroleum platforms are occupied by NATO and that warships occupy Libya’s ports.

Photographs show Italian encampments in the desert with an announcement that the French are to follow. Another news outlet reports that Qataris and Emiratees are the engineers now at the oil plants, turning away desperate Libyan workers. While long lines exist for Libyan drivers to get their gas, foreign troops ensure the black gold’s export. Libyans lack enough food and the basics, the country has been turned upside down and contaminated with uranium while the true number of dead and unaccounted for remains high and unknown.

Thousands of young Libyans, supporters of the Jamahiriya, languish under torture and assassination in a Misrata prison where a humanitarian disaster is about to unfold because Misrata rebels want to kill them all and have already attacked the prison once to do so. An urgent appeal to contact the International Red Cross was issued yesterday to help save the lives of the prisoners. And finally, Black Libyans continue to be targeted for harassment and murder in Libya by U.S.-NATO allies on the ground. Teaching hate, given the images of U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan released yesterday urinating on Afghani dead bodies, is not a difficult thing to do, it would seem. Videos are posted of Black Libyans being beaten, whipped, threatened, harassed and humiliated. These videos remind me of the antebellum South – reminiscent of the days of slavery and the Confederacy.

So, when I use the word “descend” to describe U.S. anticipated actions, I mean just that: U.S. troops are about to descend into the hell on Earth created by their president and the leaders of other countries who approved of, aided or participated in the death of Libyan-owned society. A report from last night indicates that one militia, fearing other militias, even invited foreigners in to protect them.

I hope the report that I’m reading from Jan. 12, 2012, is not true. I hope our president has not sent 12,000 troops of occupation to Malta destined for Libya. Lucy Grider-Bradley of our DIGNITY Delegation just yesterday reminded me of the words of a high-ranking Libyan Jamahiriya Foreign Ministry representative who just happened to be at the Tunisia-Libya border office at the same time we were waiting there. He said, “Let the Americans come. We want them to taste our sandwiches. We will give them the same serving they got in Vietnam.”

[JohnQPublic]

There are no US troops in Malta, says government (http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/en/newsdetails/news/national/There-are-no-US-troops-in-Malta-says-government-20120116)



The Maltese government denied allegations made by former US Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney that 12,000 US troops are stationed in Malta, before they go to Libya.
"The allegations are completely false," government said in a statement.
McKinney wrote (http://sfbayview.com/2012/cynthia-mckinney-12000-u-s-troops-bound-for-libya/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20sfbayview%20%28San%20Francisc o%20Bay%20View%29) that "It is with great disappointment that I receive the news from foreign media publications and Libyan sources that our president now has 12,000 U.S. troops stationed in Malta and they are about to make their descent into Libya."




Need to watch this one.

[JohnQPublic]

Where are the 12,000 US Soldiers on Malta? (http://andreasmoser.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/12000-us-soldiers-on-malta/)

Posted on 17 January 2012 (http://andreasmoser.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/12000-us-soldiers-on-malta/)
A few days ago, on 13 January 2012, Cynthia McKinney (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney), a former six-term member of the US Congress, wrote on her blog (http://allthingscynthiamckinney.posterous.com/):
It is with great disappointment that I receive the news from foreign media publications and Libyan sources that our President now has 12,000 U.S. troops stationed in Malta and they are about to make their descent into Libya.
Unfortunately, she doesn’t reveal any of her sources.
http://andreasmoser.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/cynthia_mckinney.jpg?w=640 (http://andreasmoser.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/cynthia_mckinney.jpg)Cynthia McKinney: "I really have no idea what I am talking about."

As a resident of Malta, I can guarantee her – and you – that this is untrue. There are no 12,000 US soldiers stationed on Malta. And trust me, this island is so small, I would have seen them. There wouldn’t be enough space for 12,000 troops to hide, especially not if they would have the typical soldiers’ equipment of tanks, artillery, helicopters et cetera with them. – To put things into perspective: the whole military of Malta is 2,140 troops strong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Malta). I doubt if even during World War II, there were 12,000 troops stationed on Malta...

[cheka.]

Libya: Four Years Down the Road

http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/24/libya-four-years-down-the-road/

Turbulent events in Syria, the international community is closely watching, deflect attention from the situation in Libya. In this circumstances, the fourth anniversary of the murder of the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi (October 20, 2011) went by virtually unnoticed. It dotted the ‘i’s and crossed the ’t’s in the internal Libyan conflict that commenced in February 2011.

Had it not been for the powerful NATO airstrikes sweeping through Libya destroying its military facilities and killing personnel, the situation could have been quite different. Back then, they were harping that Gaddafi was allegedly the main obstacle in the way of the “nation rebelling against oppression” and that once he was ousted, the blood shedding would stop, and peace, prosperity and democracy would blossom.

But life proved these statements wrong. After Gaddafi’s death, colonel’s weak opposition fell apart and former military elite jumped to each other’s throats in a fight for a “piece” of the “authority pie.”

In the summer of 2014, Libya was plunged into a diarchy with two centers of power: one — in Tripoli, the other — in Tobruk (in the eastern part of Libya), each one with its parliament, government and armed forces.

Since that time, combat operations between the two factions continue in some regions in the east, west and south of the country. And these exchanges of fire have transformed into a trench war over time. About 3.5 thousand Libyan military personnel and civilians were killed in the combat operations in the period from January 2014 to the end of April this year.

The country is experiencing economic stagnation. Production of oil — the main natural assets of the country — has dropped almost fourfold in comparison with the times of Gaddafi’s rule, from 1.6 ml down to 440 thousand barrels per day.

UN’s mediation to bring the two conflicting Libyan blocs to a dialogue and peace talks have proven to be ineffective. For over a year there have been numerous attempts to reconcile the parties. There have been different venues used for reconciliatory meetings held under the auspices of a special envoy of UN, Bernardino Leon, ranging from Europe to Morocco, Egypt and Algeria. During the meeting of representatives of the conflicting parties held on October 9, 2015 in Morocco, Mr. Bernardino announced the names of the government of the Libyan national unity, which the parties had allegedly coordinated. But proposals of the UN mediator were rejected by both the internationally recognized parliament of Tobruk and the government in Tripoli.

All those who tried to help Libya to untie this knot had to face its harsh reality — an overwhelming power crisis. It expectedly broke out after the former system of government and the balance of powers, which had existed in Libya for the last 40 years, collapsed after the massive external intervention.

Disagreements (earlier contained by the regime) between tribes and regions incited by ambitions of politicians, between the center and socially disadvantaged rural areas, etc., instigated a wave of violence.

Groups of mujahedeen have also been engaged in the turmoil in Derna and Sert, the towns, which took an oath of allegiance to ISIS. From time to time, they show on TV footages depicting how Islamists behead Christians and other “heretics” in these towns.

At the end of 2011, hundreds of insurgents from Libya went to Syria to help Assad’s foes. Later, some of them joined ISIS in Syria and Iraq. In 2014, some of them returned home.

More than ever before, Libya is being perceived as a magnet attracting all sorts of destructive regional Islamist elements and as a source of threat for the neighboring countries of North Africa and the Middle East.

A grim lesson we can learn from the Libyan phenomenon (which resulted from the scenario devised and implemented according to the western instructions) is how an internal strife can devastate a rich country and challenge its territorial integrity and unity.

Libyan people suffered hefty losses twice. After Gaddafi’s overthrow, when the society divided into the “winners and losers,” and the second time, when the winners divided into two feuding groups and started fighting against each other.

This lesson is a warning for other countries, including Syria. In this context, Russia’s efforts to counter expansion of ISIS and its support of Damascus are dictated by common interests of the two countries and peoples in their struggle against this world’s evil. That inspires hopes that situation in the Syrian Arab Republic will advance along a different developmental trajectory than it did in Libya.

First appeared: http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/24/libya-four-years-down-the-road/

[Neuro]

Well done Zato. You have helped ruin the lives of millions of ordinary Libyans!

[aeondaze]

Well done Zato. You have helped ruin the lives of millions of ordinary Libyans!

The hubris of these knob jockey's is breathtaking.

Listening to Blair deny responsibility for his actions was simply astounding and shows the degree of callous disregard these sycophants have for international law and human life. Tony Blair ----> another in a long line of perpetrators that should face war crimes charges.

[singular_me]

I posted it a few days ago in another thread... memorable 10secs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y



recommend to watch (featuring blacks who got it, one of the speakers looks very negroid by the way and seems like having an excellent IQ)
Real Reasons Why Africa Is Poor & Why Muammar Gaddafi Was Killed (because he wanted to establish an african bank with a resource backed currency to terminate neocolonialism)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT6tKDCone0

[cheka.]

the oil production collapse might be one of the main goals of this -- q may have refused the cartel's orders to cut rates

imo that's what got saddam taken out. it certainly wasn't the oil for euros meme (euro since has been exposed as nothing more than frn in drag)

now the damn frackers.....little help epa?

the nyc/saud oil production suppression scheme is having a rough time

[Horn]

the nyc/saud oil production suppression scheme is having a rough time

not so sure, looks like a race to the bottom commenced on by all parties involved.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?85624-Oil-market-showdown-Can-Russia-outlast-the-Saudis

The hope is to make up the difference in form of carbon tax from indigenous populations.

[mick silver]

rag heads

[Horn]

If anyone really cared, some might have said something a while back.

Hillary supporters approve more and more French/Russian cluster bombs on Haji.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmY4FnxcN9E

[cheka.]

a tangled web of kidnapping, torture, bribes, oil, concessions by momar, etc..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/09/rendition-islamists-mi6-torture-libya

So after more than four years of Scotland Yard investigations, and months of agonising within the Crown Prosecution Service, ministers and MI6 are getting off scot-free over the abduction and subsequent torture of two suspected Islamists.

Abdel Hakim Belhaj and Sami al-Saadi were enemies of Muammar Gaddafi delivered to Tripoli, courtesy of MI6 and the CIA, in 2004 when Tony Blair’s government was cuddling up to the Libyan dictator. Gaddafi had promised to abandon his nuclear and chemical weapons programme and as a reward for British friendship – including the secret rendition of his opponents – he agreed to huge and lucrative oil deals for BP.

CPS will not bring charges against MI6 over rendition of Libyan families

In one of the deepest ironies in the history of British intelligence, clear evidence of British involvement in the rendition of Belhaj, Saadi and their families to Tripoli’s jails emerged in 2001. They were spelled out in a letter from Sir Mark Allen, then head of MI6 counter-terrorism operations, to Moussa Koussa, Gaddafi’s intelligence chief, written in March 2004. In it, Allen trumpeted MI6’s role in the operation. The letter was found among documents in Moussa’s office destroyed by Nato bombs.

Saadi accepted £2.2m compensation from the British government. Belhaj chose to fight on, demanding an apology. The supreme court is soon due to deliver judgment on his claim that Britain must take responsibility for his abduction. Lawyers for the government argue that British courts have no right to hear the case since the agents of foreign intelligence agencies – notably the CIA – were also involved in the operation.

Eliza Manningham-Buller, then head of MI5 – MI6’s sister service responsible for British security as opposed to spying abroad – was so angry with what MI6 had been up to, that, as the Guardian reported last week, she fired off a letter to Blair complaining about it, saying its actions may have compromised the security and safety of MI5 officers and their informants. Such was her fury that she ejected MI6 staff from MI5’s headquarters, Thames House.

After the Allen letter came to light, Blair said he had “no recollection at all” of the Libyan rendition. Jack Straw, then foreign secretary responsible for MI6, told MPs in 2005 – a year after the Libyan abductions – that “there is simply no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom has been involved in rendition full stop.” After the Allen letter emerged, Straw said: “No foreign secretary can know all the details of what its intelligence agencies are doing at any one time.”

Government officials have insisted that the operation was in response to “ministerially authorised government policy”. Sir Richard Dearlove, head of MI6 at the time, has said: “It was a political decision, having very significantly disarmed Libya, for the government to cooperate with Libya on Islamist terrorism.”

Referring to MI6’s links with Gaddafi, Manningham-Buller has stated: “There are clearly questions to be answered about the various relationships that developed afterwards and whether the UK supped with a sufficiently long spoon.”

Section 7 of the 1994 Intelligence Services Act, sometimes described as the “James Bond clause”, protects MI6 officers from prosecution for actions anywhere in the world that would otherwise be illegal. They would be protected as long as their actions were authorised in writing by the secretary of state.
Blair government's rendition policy led to rift between UK spy agencies
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Andrew Tyrie, the senior Conservative backbencher and chair of the all-party parliamentary group on extraordinary rendition, told the Guardian last week: “It is now essential to establish who authorised this rendition. The chances of it not having been authorised would appear low. Were it unauthorised it would be criminal.”

An inquiry under Sir Peter Gibson, a retired senior judge, into earlier rendition programmes in which British intelligence was involved, was abandoned because of the new and dramatic evidence about the Libyan abductions. Among 27 questions he said needed answering was, did the government and its agencies become “inappropriately involved in some renditions”?

The answers now lie in the hands of the parliamentary intelligence and security committee (ISC) under its new chair, the former attorney general, Dominic Grieve. The ISC has no judicial authority. Tyrie also intends to pursue the case. Yet it seems everyone involved in this affair will in the end escape prosecution, even though it involved torture – a crime which, in domestic and international law, is supposed to override all other considerations, including of course political embarrassment.

[monty]

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Wikileaks Expose the Saudis Paid Hillary to Turn Libya Into an ISIS Hellhole

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It’s called the “tick tock” email, just recently released by Wikileaks. The email shows Hillary Clinton’s office outlining how Mrs. Clinton must be given full credit for what took place in Libya before and after the fall of the Gaddafi regime – a fall that resulted in a missing 1.5 billion dollars sent to Libya by Hillary Clinton, the subsequent death of four Americans, including the first U.S. ambassador to die on duty in more than thirty years, and thousands more deaths as Libya descended into anarchy.

And it was all done after the House of Saud wished it so – the very same House of Saudi that has “donated” millions to the Clinton Foundation and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

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And here is the tick-tock email showing how badly Hillary Clinton wanted credit for Libya.
Since the country has fallen into chaos and become and ISIS stronghold, Mrs. Clinton and her campaign don’t wish to discuss it anymore…

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Now here is a bit of history the Mainstream Media has said almost nothing about. The reason for its deletion is simple – it directly links to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and what took place with the fall of Libya in 2011.
For years, Gadaffi and the House of Saud were embroiled in a long-standing dispute over who was the true and rightful representative of Islamic power in the Middle East – though the dispute had more to do with Libya’s growing influence in oil production. Libyan oil is among the best in the world, commanding a top-dollar price, a fact that was not lost on the Saudi royal family who did not appreciate competition in that regard.
Gaddafi, unlike other Muslim leaders, was willing to openly challenge the House of Saud, and claim it was joined too closely with the American government, a challenge that in this video, was met with the following response from the Saudi King:

“The lie is before you, and the grave is in front of you.”

Some two years after this altercation, Gadaffi was killed via an effort orchestrated and funded by the Obama government and the Hillary Clinton State Department. The grave truly was put in front of him – by Hillary Clinton.
The House of Saud has since donated between $10 and 2$5 MILLION dollars to the Clinton Foundation and continues to donate to the Hillary Clinton campaign. A ZERO HEDGE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/saudi-arabia-has-funded-20-hillarys-presidential-campaign-saudi-crown-prince-claims) article from earlier this summer indicated that the Saudis are as of now, funding approximately 20% of the entire Clinton campaign for president.

The House of Saud wanted Gaddafi’s Libya gone.

Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State makes that happen, creating the ISIS hell that is now Libya.

Tens of millions of dollars pour into the Clinton Foundation, and tens of millions more are now pouring into the Clinton campaign – from the House of Saud.

[osoab]

Leaked Hillary Clinton Emails Revealed NATO Killed Gaddafi to Stop the formation of a United States of Africa


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[Cebu_4_2]

Everything that I read and learned about Gaddafi points in the direction of good guy going against the system.

[ziero0]

Khadafi was going for a One-Africa currency.

[keehah]

csis.org: How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine (https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Analyzing%20data%20compiled%20by%2 0the%20Uppsala%20Conflict%20Data,25%20percent%20en d%20in%20less%20than%20a%20year.)

March 4, 2022
CSIS analyzed data on conflict termination since 1946 to identify windows of opportunity for crisis diplomacy. Most conflict since the end of the Second World War tends to involve counterinsurgency campaigns and proxy wars, making large-scale invasions—like what is currently happening in Ukraine —rare events. Based on the Correlates of War dataset, when these conflicts do occur, the average number of battlefield deaths is 25,000 while the civilian death toll is much higher, and the aftermath tends to create complex humanitarian emergencies.

Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes.
kyma.com: Italy agrees to lift ban on flights from conflict-stricken Libya, officials say (https://kyma.com/news/ap-national/2023/07/09/italy-agrees-to-lift-ban-on-flights-from-conflict-stricken-libya-officials-say/)

July 9, 2023
(AP) — One of Libya’s rival governments says commercial flights between Italy and conflict-torn Libya will resume in September after the Italian government agreed to lift a 10-year-long ban on civil aviation in the North African nation. Abdul-Hamid Dbeibah, prime minister of the Tripoli-based government, said on Twitter that the Italian government of Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni informed his government of the decision Sunday. He called the removal of the ban a “breakthrough.” Oil-rich Libya plunged into chaos after a NATO-backed uprising toppled and killed longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi in 2011. In the disarray that followed, the country split into rival administrations in the east and west, each backed by rogue militias and foreign governments.

dw.com: Ten years after NATO intervention, Libya remains unstable (https://www.dw.com/en/libya-still-plagued-by-conflict-10-years-after-nato-intervention/a-56921306)

03/18/2021
In the wake of the Arab Spring, in February 2011, Libyans too took to the streets to protest ...

On March 17, the United Nations passed a resolution allowing for measures to establish a no-fly zone, to protect the civilian population. Two days later, the US, Britain and France launched airstrikes. On March 31, NATO took sole command of international air operations over Libya...

The violence did not stop for long and a civil war raged on for years. In hindsight the NATO intervention was not a complete success...

"However, it did not succeed in bringing long-term stability and democracy to Libya,” ...

The war also had a massive impact on the lives of the between 600,000 and 700,000 migrants and refugees, largely from Sub-Saharan Africa, in Libya. Many of them were hoping to stay there. Had there been peace, the country would have offered good employment opportunities thanks to its natural resources. The war forced many of them to attempt the dangerous journey to Europe...

In recent months, under the auspices of the United Nations, it has been possible to persuade local actors to come to a ceasefire agreement
foreignpolicy.com: NATO Killed Civilians in Libya. It’s Time to Admit It; The alliance bombing campaign had a devastating toll—but, a decade after the war, leaders have still not taken responsibility. (https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/20/nato-killed-civilians-in-libya-its-time-to-admit-it/)

MARCH 20, 2021
New research from Airwars concludes that this number could be higher still. Using hyperlocal open-source material to assess for the first time the entirety of reported civilian harm by all parties during the 2011 war, it found NATO strikes resulted in between 223 and 403 likely civilian deaths in the 212 events of concern reviewed...

This paled in comparison to the killings by Qaddafi’s forces; according to local communities, they were responsible for between 869 and 1,999 civilian deaths. And rebel actions resulted in between 50 and 113 fatalities...

[Retired British Army Maj. Gen. Rob Weighill, the Combined Joint Task Force head of operations during the conflict] insisted that even the second NATO attack in Majer, which killed many of those rushing to rescue the injured, was justified. Such so-called double-tap strikes are often criticized for killing civilians...

The U.S. Department of Defense has led the way, admitting that its forces killed more than 1,300 civilians (https://airwars.org/investigations/the-credibles-how-airwars-secured-the-most-comprehensive-locational-data-on-civilian-harm-ever-released-by-the-us-military/) in the U.S.-led coalition campaign against the Islamic State—though watchdogs such as Airwars estimate the real number to be far higher.

Other key allies remain in denial (https://airwars.org/news-and-investigations/europes-shame-claims-of-no-civilian-harm-exposed/). The U.K. has admitted to just one (https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-statements/detail/2018-05-02/HCWS665) civilian fatality in six years of bombing the Islamic State, and France none...

But victims of NATO strikes in Libya find themselves caught in a bind. To seek an apology, they have to know which individual country carried out the strike, yet states still hide behind the anonymity of the coalition.

Eight NATO nations carried out airstrikes in Libya during 2011: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, the United Kingdom, and the United States...

The U.S. military said all questions should be answered by NATO. Current NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu did not respond to requests about specific incidents.

Lungescu insisted that NATO had “no mandate” to investigate inside Libya after the 2011 conflict ended...

A new NATO “Protection of Civilians” (https://shape.nato.int/resources/3/website/ACO-Protection-of-Civilians-Handbook.pdf) handbook issued on March 11 notes the need “to prevent, identify, investigate, and track incidents of civilian casualties from [our] own actions, while also providing amends and post-harm assistance when civilians are harmed as a result of these operations.” Yet a decade of silence on Libya suggests NATO has little real willingness to follow that path.
Wikipedia: Slavery_in_Libya (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Libya)

Since Muammar Gaddafi's regime was overthrown during the First Libyan Civil War in 2011, Libya has been plagued by disorder, leaving migrants with little cash and no papers vulnerable. Libya is a major exit point for African migrants heading to Europe. The International Organization for Migration (IOM) published a report in April 2017 showing that many of the migrants from West, Central and Sahelian Africa heading to Europe are sold as slaves after being detained by people smugglers or militia groups. African countries south of Libya were targeted for slave trading and transferred to Libyan slave markets instead. According to the victims, the price is higher for migrants with skills like painting and tiling. Slaves are often ransomed to their families and until ransom can be paid are tortured, forced to work, sometimes to death and eventually executed or left to starve if they can't pay for too long. Women are often raped and used as sex slaves and sold to brothels and private Libyan clients. Many child migrants also suffer from abuse and child rape in Libya