Rural crime on rise as small towns see decrease in law enforcement

[MNeagle]

FERTILE, Minn. - Crime in rural areas is increasing. Simultaneously, the presence of law enforcement is shrinking.

This town of 840 just outside the Red River Valley and the gateway to lake country, known for its flowers, popular county fair and scenic golf course, is a prime example of those conflicting trends. At least it has been the past few months.

In late spring and early summer, a flurry of crimes shook residents of this tidy and pastoral town. Lewd graffiti, a burglary at the Polk County Fair office, a drug store robbery and a series of thefts from unlocked cars and garages happened in town. And, outside the city limits, a barn of Amish farmers was a victim of arson.

The crime outbreak started about one year after Fertile dropped its local law enforcement. Officials say the two developments can't be directly linked — that they still may have happened if Fertile had kept its officer. But they concede the spree has been a wakeup call to a changing world.

"I've never felt unsafe in Fertile, but it was a little disconcerting to have that wave of crime," said Rod Thoreson, publisher of the Fertile Journal.

Only two police forces remain

Crookston and East Grand Forks are the only Polk County towns with their own police force. Fosston, the county's third most populous city, has two officers through a contract with the county sheriff's department that costs $150,000. Fertile had a similar arrangement with the county for one deputy until March 2010.

The contract dedicated 40 hours to patrolling Fertile, with the added requirement that the deputy live in town or nearby for prompt response. Without the contract, law enforcement's presence in Fertile is mostly in response to calls for assistance.

Money is the reason for the change.

"To put an officer in a car would cost us about $100,000 a year," city administrator John Frohrip said. An officer would mean a 25 percent increase in Fertile's general fund budget.

Salary, vehicle, equipment, training and licensing requirements contribute to the increase in the cost of law enforcement. "The old joke is that you used to hire Fred and put a bubble on his Buick," Frohrip said.

Or, as former city councilman Dan Wilkens put it, "Back in the day, you could pretty much slap a badge on anyone."

While costs have increased for small towns, revenues haven't. The loss of local government aid (LGA) is well documented. And, although Fertile has held its own for population, cost inflation has exceeded property tax growth.

"If you're not growing, property taxes are stagnant," Frohrip said. "With an older population on fixed incomes, there's not much room to make up the difference. We've fought real hard here to stand still."

Fertile isn't alone. In 2008, the police chiefs in McIntosh and Erskine retired. They weren't replaced, leaving the two towns as reliant as Fertile on the county sheriff's department.

"Presence makes a difference," Polk County Sheriff Barb Erdman said. "But the consensus was that the same things probably would have occurred in Fertile whether law enforcement was placed there or not."

Like the towns, counties also have budget problems. Erdman said she has 22 officers, 4.5 fewer than at its peak.

But the loss of police officers is more dramatic. When Chief Deputy Karl Erickson started in the department in 1983, towns as small as Mentor, Winger and Lengby had police departments. When they disband, the result is predictable.

Since the Erskine and McIntosh departments folded, "We're seeing more (criminal) activity there now," Erickson said.

Arrests have been made in all of the Fertile incidents. The crimes are a "sign of the times," in the words of Erdman.

"It's a different world we live in now, dealing with issues we didn't deal with 20 years ago," she said. "We see some of the same things you used to see only in Minneapolis and St. Paul.

"People need to lock their doors, mark their property, be diligent and call us."

Thoreson admits that he habitually leaves his keys in his vehicle, a sign of the trusting nature in small towns. Wilkens, a property theft victim, said he used to do the same.

"I figured that if someone took my car, it was because they needed it (for an emergency)," he said. "I don't think that way anymore.

"We have to take care of ourselves. We need to keep our places locked and maybe put in security cameras. We have to change with the times."

Erdman said that has already happened with Fertile residents' response to the crime flurry. "The public was really engaged, providing us lots of tips," she said. "We were able to get suspects in custody relatively quickly."

Mayor Brian Nephew said he was most disappointed that the accused live in Fertile and the area. "You like to think this was being done by people who live somewhere else," he said. "It's more of an issue when it's your own community members."






http://www.startribune.com/local/128113973.html

[solid]

Crime in rural areas is increasing. Simultaneously, the presence of law enforcement is shrinking.

Gee, big shocker. ::)

This is what all the folks who hate cops never realize, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you get rid of cops crime goes up.

Less cops, more crime. Guaranteed, everytime. I don't care where, it will always happen, in small towns, cities...

[mick silver]

this is why i carry a gun

[solid]

this is why i carry a gun

Mick, the gun you carry won't protect your family when you are away at work.

It will not protect your property while you sleep. It won't stop someone from shooting you in the back..unless, you can grow eyes on the back of your head. A gun isn't magic, it doesn't guarantee you won't be a victim. If crime goes up, you have a higher chance of being a victim, regardless of the gun. Just saying...

[mick silver]

there you go thinking again . everyone here in my house carry a gun . and someone alway home .

[solid]

there you go thinking again . everyone here in my house carry a gun . and someone alway home .

Mick, don't be over-confident, that's all I ask.

It pisses me off that the good folks always have to 'react' to the bad ones...putting them at an instant disadvantage from the get-go.

[Eyebone]

Hell, I thought all rural good old boys had guns and were just waiting for some scum bag to try something, I know I am.

[solid]

Hell, I thought all rural good old boys had guns and were just waiting for some scum bag to try something, I know I am.

I think I could use some of those gool ol' boys here in this city. :)

[solid]

Neither will a law enforcement officer. They generally show up after something has happened. Police aren't magic, they won't guarantee your protection..

Wrong. I was sworn in for only 3 months, I put away burglars, rapists, you name the crime, I dealt with it.

I stopped a guy from getting shot.

Police do stop crimes from happening by dealing with the turds of society. Putting them away before they hurt others.

You just don't see it happen. It's for the best you don't.

[solid]

Why would it be for the best that I don't? .

Because I wouldn't wish the horrendous things I've seen with my own eyes on anyone.

[gunDriller]

Wrong. I was sworn in for only 3 months, I put away burglars, rapists, you name the crime, I dealt with it.

I stopped a guy from getting shot.

Police do stop crimes from happening by dealing with the turds of society. Putting them away before they hurt others.

You just don't see it happen. It's for the best you don't.

sounds like you worked as a police officer, or a similar job.

i'm curious which of the TV cop shows - if any - are close to being realistic.

The Closer, NCIS - any of them ?

[solid]

You know..fuck this place. I shouldn't be allowed to post here, it'd be for my own good anyway.

[freespirit]

You know..fuck this place. I shouldn't be allowed to post here, it'd be for my own good anyway.

don't kid yourself, solid...you are a well respected member of this forum. this is just one of those "agree to disagree" topics. don't let it get to ya.

[k-os]

don't kid yourself, solid...you are a well respected member of this forum. this is just one of those "agree to disagree" topics. don't let it get to ya.

Agreed.

[Ares]

You know..fuck this place. I shouldn't be allowed to post here, it'd be for my own good anyway.

Solid with all due respect, it's the bad officers that break the law overstepping their perceived authority that give all cops a bad name. I have 3 neighbors that are cops, and even keep in touch with a local officer I grew up with. But my respect stops with them. Like anyone else whether you have a badge or not has to EARN my respect. I see police as the enforcement arm of the state for revenue generation.

I've had every officer I know even admit they are not duty bound to protect the citizens. There is NO LAW whatsoever that forces an officer to arrest someone. So when an officer gives someone a bullshit citation, or arrest someone for filming them. Or tasing someone for some conceived lack of compliance I see that as their own free choice and violation of the oath they swore and that worthless tin badge that they wear.

You may be one of the few good ones, I don't know. But look at it from a civilians perspective. The cops of yester years were our friends. The cops of today for the most part are jack booted thugs who love executing no knock warrants. Actions speak louder than words my friend.

And their actions define them.

[BabushkaLady]

Money is the reason for the change.

Of course they are always shorting police and fire in favor of more money for the "schools". They want people to feel the need for money!

[Mouse]

You know..fuck this place. I shouldn't be allowed to post here, it'd be for my own good anyway.

We need a cleanup on aisle three. Some liquid and broken glass.

[zap]

don't kid yourself, solid...you are a well respected member of this forum. this is just one of those "agree to disagree" topics. don't let it get to ya.

I agree too ! :)

[solid]

There is NO LAW whatsoever that forces an officer to arrest someone. So when an officer gives someone a bullshit citation, or arrest someone for filming them. Or tasing someone for some conceived lack of compliance I see that as their own free choice and violation of the oath they swore and that worthless tin badge that they wear. .

You are talking about the letter of the law, vs. the spirit of the law. It's not about the 'law' in those cases, it's about what you are sworn to uphold and protect. It's how you interpret that, individually. It's the "gray" area of the law.

You are also basing your opinion on what you see, not necessarily the whole picture. You will never 100% know the facts, how do you feel about that?

Nobody will ever agree on this.

The only thing I know, is the only one that judges me, that matters, is God.

[midnight rambler]

Gee, big shocker. ::)

This is what all the folks who hate cops never realize, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you get rid of cops crime goes up.

Less cops, more crime. Guaranteed, everytime. I don't care where, it will always happen, in small towns, cities...

Typical collectivist/statist bullshit = "the cops are the thin blue line which keeps society safe". lol

No, what keeps society 'safe' is holding people accountable and responsible for their own actions. The communists/statists of different stripes (shysters, members of the bar, swine politicians feeding at the public trough, career LEOs, gungrabbers, etc.) have taken this country off into the fantasy land of limited liability via the growth of the collectivist corporate state.

[midnight rambler]

Mick, don't be over-confident, that's all I ask.

It pisses me off that the good folks always have to 'react' to the bad ones...putting them at an instant disadvantage from the get-go.

You're so funny. There's a distinction between responding and reacting. No disadvantage here!

[solid]

don't kid yourself, solid...you are a well respected member of this forum. this is just one of those "agree to disagree" topics. don't let it get to ya.

Thanks freespirit, I'll take your advise moving forward to be able to "agree to disagree" and not let it get to me.

It's funny, folks bash cops, yet I just see it as something that I gave 100% to....yet failed. It's a tough pill to swallow. When you fail at something that a lot of folks hate with a passion..it is eye-opening. :)

It's all good though, I suppose things happen for a reason. Cheers Buddy.

[solid]

You're so funny. There's a distinction between responding and reacting. No disadvantage here!

When you respond or react, you are at a disadvantage from that very instant.

Here's something to ponder...when you see a gun, it takes 3/4 of a second, for your brain to recognize it's a gun, to recognize it's a threat.

You just lost 3/4 of a second. Doesn't sound like much, but it actually is. Nothing anyone of us can do about that. That is before you get a chance to respond, or react.

[solid]

No, what keeps society 'safe' is holding people accountable and responsible for their own actions..

Who's going to hold them accountable? In a realistic world, that is? Who's going to put those bastards away when they commit crimes?

[midnight rambler]

When you respond or react, you are at a disadvantage from that very instant.

Apparently you're unable to make the distinction between responding and reacting. Reacting = bad, responding appropriately = good.

I've been in a genuine shit blizzard before, and be advised that once I reached my short shotgun I was no longer "at a disadvantage".

In a recent real life incident, a good buddy of mine has a house of six tweakers/cookers down the road from him in his neighborhood. He got a call a few nights ago at 3 AM from one of his neighbors advising him that one of the varmints was on the prowl trying to get into another neighbor's backyard to ripoff some of his stuff. A handful of neighbors mustered at their respective abodes. They almost nailed the varmint however he was able to elude them. This would have been an appropriate response for the situation under the circumstances (one of the bunch is very aggressive), and I guarantee you that none of these rednecks is "at a disadvantage" (this is in the county where the rednecks told the NG to take down their roadblock and leave in the wake of Rita, which they directly did). And FWIW, there hasn't been a single word out of the S.O. telling the people on this street "Don't take the law into your own hands, WE will handle it." No, the Sheriff and his deputies 'get it' - none of this "you're too incompetent to handle such matters, leave to us *licensed* professionals". lol

[midnight rambler]

Who's going to hold them accountable? In a realistic world, that is? Who's going to put those bastards away when they commit crimes?

Judges who aren't corrupt lawyers keeping their brethren fat and happy.

[solid]

Apparently you're unable to make the distinction between responding and reacting. Reacting = bad, responding appropriately = good.

You are confusing responding and proaction.

Two men have guns. Who has the advantage? One man pulls a gun on another man. Which man has the advantage, the man pulling the gun (proactive) or the man who 'reacts' or 'responds' to that threat?

[solid]

Judges who aren't corrupt lawyers keeping their brethren fat and happy.

I'd say fire them all...fire all police..and elect sheriff's based upon the public vote. Restart the computer, personally. Yet, somehow I think folks are too busy watching American Idol to bother with that...so they hire cops to drag the turds in, and corrupt judges to sentence them.

As long as it doesn't interupt their American Idol show.

[midnight rambler]

You are confusing responding and proaction.

Two men have guns. Who has the advantage? One man pulls a gun on another man. Which man has the advantage, the man pulling the gun (proactive) or the man who 'reacts' or 'responds' to that threat?

Very poor example. The dynamics are never the same from circumstance to circumstance, e.g. did the man getting drawn on have his situational awareness up? Was this in the parking lot of a mall in broad daylight or in a bar at midnight?? What led to the one drawing a gun?? Could the man being drawn on, being a reasonable man, read the situation and avoid being drawn on entirely??

FWIW, there are some of us who are as every bit as dangerous unarmed as others are armed.

solid, it appears to me that you lack historical perspective. People in society at large used to have the utmost respect for peace officers, and now they don't - they fear cops, are terrorized by cops, are beaten up and bullied by cops. Cops repeatedly show absolute contempt for the 'civilians' and act as if they are NEVER wrong regarding the laws - THEIR *interpretation* of the law is all that matters! I would suggest you reflect upon that.

[solid]

solid, it appears to me that you lack historical perspective. People in society at large used to have the utmost respect for peace officers, and now they don't - they fear cops, are terrorized by cops, are beaten up and bullied by cops. Cops repeatedly show absolute contempt for the 'civilians' and act as if they are NEVER wrong regarding the laws - THEIR *interpretation* of the law is all that matters! I would suggest you reflect upon that.

I think the real question, is whether you would accept the real peace officers if you believed they did exist. Or would all cops suffer your fear and hate of them? Would you give the good ones a chance?

It will never change...unless you allow it to change.

[hoarder]

I've stated it before, the problem with cops are that they are a "brotherhood". That's the reason Sheriffs cut feds so much slack. We need to get away from the current system where law enforcement is a Masonic cult of "Fraternal Order of Police" members.

Around here things are not that bad. Not cops and not crime. Crime is super low in Montana. There is no graffiti anywhere.
Everyone is so trusting I think they are set up for a fall. You pay someone in cash and they don't even count it, just grab the wad and stick it in their pocket.

This is handshake country.

[freespirit]

It will never change...unless you allow it to change.

...be the change you want to see in the world.

[Ares]

You are talking about the letter of the law, vs. the spirit of the law. It's not about the 'law' in those cases, it's about what you are sworn to uphold and protect. It's how you interpret that, individually. It's the "gray" area of the law.

You are also basing your opinion on what you see, not necessarily the whole picture. You will never 100% know the facts, how do you feel about that?

Nobody will ever agree on this.

The only thing I know, is the only one that judges me, that matters, is God.

Then you're agreeing with me that what we see is what defines our perceptions of police officers does it not? Wouldn't it be in police officers best interest to quit harassing the citizenry with frivolous shit like speeding tickets and seat belt violations? Tasing people who are not a threat, shooting family pets who are in cages no less during a raid? And start being the hero's we were taught in schools to think of when we think of police officers?

No one forces you to join the police force. Just remember that it comes with a lot of responsibility.

No one forced me to join the military, but I understood what I was doing and did my job with honor, commitment and responsibility knowing that my actions don't effect just me.

[solid]

Then you're agreeing with me that what we see is what defines our perceptions of police officers does it not? Wouldn't it be in police officers best interest to quit harassing the citizenry with frivolous shit like speeding tickets and seat belt violations? Tasing people who are not a threat, shooting family pets who are in cages no less during a raid? And start being the hero's we were taught in schools to think of when we think of police officers?

I do agree with you Ares. From my experience...people do not notice when you do good things, but always focus on the bad aspects of policing. I guess it all depends upon where you are are at. How do we change the public view of cops? All the bad ones, get the spot light.

My dept, we didn't have quotas. I didn't have to give any tickets, actually. They wanted to see 3 vehicle or walking stops per shift, which is nothing, yet a lot if there's a lot of crime going on. We would log our stops, but it didn't matter about the tickets. I could give warnings to folks, without citing them, and that was that "gray" area of the law.

I stopped cars that fit vehicles in crimes, such as robberies. I stopped folks that were walking "walking stops", because they matched suspects in crimes in the area. You use the ordinances to make the stops, the detention, to investigate further. Your average person, you'd say have a nice day and send them on their way. If it was a perp, they'd take off running anyway, and you'd have chase.

That is it, a game, the bad guys verse the cops trying to get them. It's all a game. They know the rules, the cops would use the 'gray' area of the law to put the cards in their favor..

[midnight rambler]

How do we change the public view of cops?First of all, cops engaging in thuggery should stop, and those who cover for those engaging in thuggery should stop covering for the thugs.

You carry on as if cops are beyond reproach, yet thuggery by cops is the rule, not the exception.

[solid]

First of all, cops engaging in thuggery should stop, and those who cover for those engaging in thuggery should stop covering for the thugs.

You carry on as if cops are beyond reproach, yet thuggery by cops is the rule, not the exception.

How many cops engaged in thuggery have you noted?

Maybe the 10 or so on threads on this forum?

There's many and many thousands of cops in this country.

You have my word, on MY family name...the majority of them are good people.

I will stand by that till my grave.

[midnight rambler]

How many cops engaged in thuggery have you noted?

Maybe the 10 or so on threads on this forum?

There's many and many thousands of cops in this country.

You have my word, on MY family name...the majority of them are good people.

I will stand by that till my grave.

It only takes ONE thug to entirely fuck up your life solid - the big problem is that these thugs with badges/debt collectors with guns travel and swarm in gangs where their collective mindset devolves to the level of a pack of feral dogs. Apparently you have scales on your eyes and are unable to see the increasing rate of thuggery (killing family pets indiscriminately, no-knock warrants over complete bullshit, tazing people for 'non-compliance' or 'resisting', trumping up of bullshit charges, killing people who are only accused of misdemeanors, killing people already in custody, siccing their K-9 onto someone already cuffed, etc., etc.) by cops in this country. Wake up!

[solid]

It only takes ONE thug to entirely fuck up your life solid - the big problem is that these thugs with badges/debt collectors with guns travel and swarm in gangs where their collective mindset devolves to the level of a pack of feral dogs. Apparently you have scales on your eyes and are unable to see the increasing rate of thuggery (killing family pets indiscriminately, no-knock warrants over complete bullshit, tazing people for 'non-compliance' or 'resisting', trumping up of bullshit charges, killing people who are only accused of misdemeanors, killing people already in custody, siccing their K-9 onto someone already cuffed, etc., etc.) by cops in this country. Wake up!

Most of them are just people...man, like you and I.

My first call in uniform,badge, first response once I finished academy. A train accident. After looking at the body, and having another officer being told that he was standing in brain matter on the tracks...a senior officer asked me, what the guy looked like? I told him, pale faced, that the man had no face. That his face was gone. The senior officer gave me an expression that he knew, and understood.

We are all people, Midnight..and we are in this mess together.

The thought that police are evil robots is so wrong. It doesn't reflect reality. Don't let the media distort your reality. Some cops are corrupt, yes....but most are not. That IS fact. I know it. Wish more folks did.

[midnight rambler]

This is PRECISELY the sort of thuggery you're blindly supporting solid.

"We look at this as a tragic accident, nothing more than that."

Calling it an 'accident' implies that there is no one to blame.

The problem is that this sort of bullshit is on a very noticeable increase.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5qlg-EDFCE

[solid]

So, you are going to judge me based upon that? I see.

Why should we discuss anything then? One Asshole like that and you lump all cops under the same umbrella.

[midnight rambler]

So, you are going to judge me based upon that? I see.

Why should we discuss anything then? One Asshole like that and you lump all cops under the same umbrella.

I get the impression you will never get it. Thuggery by cops IS ON THE RISE, and their superiors are SUPPORTING THEM in this.

The subject of this video was tasered to death for running a stop sign! Tasers are *supposedly* 'non-lethal' yet there have been hundreds of death by taser yet the cops keep using tasers as 'pain compliance' devices. Cops using tasers are the equivalent of cowboys using hot shots on cattle.

The cops in the incident in the video below snatched cameras from the witnesses - this is often referred to as 'evidence tampering' EXCEPT when the thugs with badges do it.

GET A FUCKING CLUE!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR-UOmo8FLA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR-UOmo8FLA)

[solid]

Damnit Midnight...you can judge me on my actions and my actions alone. Not the actions of others.

Bad guys need to be brought to justice. I have no part in thuggery, nor endorse it.

Turds need to be brought down though, so they don't prey on others. If you can't understand that, there's really nothing I can say.

[midnight rambler]

How about bringing these thugs to justice??

Cops brutalize woman who is already cuffed, giving her a serious head injury and nearly killing her -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Zqa1KxT4DUs

[midnight rambler]

Cop runs over kid on bicycle killing him after tasering him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJ1Gpg5m5c&feature=related

[solid]

I'm still kinda pissed my "cop chases gun wielding murderer and catchs him before he kills" didn't make the headlines, or youtube.

It sure was exciting at the time.

[midnight rambler]

Cops abuse disabled girl (5'0"/110#) and kill her 16# service dog -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L71Uj4yVX8E&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Cop pulls up into woman's yard to 'ask directions' then kills her family pet.

Fucking thug.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mvIWFXbHNo&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Cops push disabled woman to the ground then walk off.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1dc1zwatI&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Woman calls 911 for help after car crash, cop helps by smashing her head into a wall




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBjsV2s9SNg&feature=related

[solid]

How come all the bad cops get all the attention?

Man, I had a foot chase once, a big dude, must have been 6'4", assault w/ deadly weapon and ended up alone in an alley with the guy. That, would have been a youtube hit, but all the asshole cops get the attention. Bunch of BS.

[midnight rambler]

Man gets beatdown after witnessing bogus traffic stop.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfmjlEHA4Ug&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Cops Beat Down Another Cop's Son, Then Falsify Reports



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyBP2L3vfuo&feature=related

[solid]

OK, asshole, two can play this game.

Cop saves dog..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgKhPHNqieo

[midnight rambler]

Officer Beats Special Ed Kid



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU5fAGOVvEM&feature=related

[solid]

Cops saves kid from drowning...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRf2Ux4dIUQ

[solid]

Cop rescues woman from burning car..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox8wJI6EYDU&\

[midnight rambler]

Police beat man to death at DUI checkpoint



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftgb357gynE&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Cop taser non resisting man in the neck until he passes out



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6I8iUWInds&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Blind woman Tasered


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDbdhv_cl1E&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Cops vow to put citizens down



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZkZqRM4934&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Total Proof Cops Are Power Tripping Thugs & Habitual Liars



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah0WoUDLiEg&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Call 911 and die, or at least get your head bashed in while cuffed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk-6D3lf2lw&feature=related

[solid]

Done yet?

Of course, we all believe EVERYTHING we see on youtube.::)

Do we get a cookie for each video we watch?

If you want to know my opinion, it's all a bunch of BS. My two bits.

[midnight rambler]

If someone did this to a dog they'd be cited for cruelty to animals.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drwWWgGjClw&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

The camera doesn't lie, and several of these are from the tv news.

Give it up.

[midnight rambler]

Cops Shoot Toddler, Mom 42 Rounds!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zHcmKuln0I&feature=related

[solid]

The camera doesn't lie, and several of these are from the tv news.

Give it up.

Give what up? This thread? You can have it. I think you and I have done a good job of massivly derailing it....lol.

The camera doesn't lie....but doesn't tell the whole truth. That is the difference. Not to mention the camera is selective, based upon the agenda of the person running it.

[midnight rambler]

And here's one where your assertion that Police K-9s do exactly as they are commanded doesn't hold water.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjkUXUgmHio&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

Give what up? This thread? You can have it. I think you and I have done a good job of massivly derailing it....lol.

The camera doesn't lie....but doesn't tell the whole truth. That is the difference. Not to mention the camera is selective, based upon the agenda of the person running it.

And a cop's word is beyond being questioned. lol You're so funny.

[midnight rambler]

Newark Cop: "I Can Do Whatever the Hell I Want"



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1SB8i_IAE&feature=related

[vacuum]

Police and the state aren't inherently bad things, but as the system collapses under its own weight, they will instinctively become more brutal to try and hold on to their power. I think it's best to get out of the way and let things run to their conclusion rather than try to fight for one side or the other.

[solid]

And a cop's word is beyond being questioned. lol You're so funny.

If questioning my word, means posting a shitload of youtube videos.....that doesn't mean anything to me. I'm not laughing, though you are. To me this is serious.

If you want to challenge my honor, do it right.

[midnight rambler]

Fucking psychopaths, laughing about shooting a woman with rubber bullets.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0&feature=related

[midnight rambler]

If questioning my word

I thought you were no longer a cop?? ???

[midnight rambler]

Cops caught on tape raping a women

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fy4TM_HFg&feature=related

[mick silver]

I've stated it before, the problem with cops are that they are a "brotherhood". That's the reason Sheriffs cut feds so much slack. We need to get away from the current system where law enforcement is a Masonic cult of "Fraternal Order of Police" members.

Around here things are not that bad. Not cops and not crime. Crime is super low in Montana. There is no graffiti anywhere.
Everyone is so trusting I think they are set up for a fall. You pay someone in cash and they don't even count it, just grab the wad and stick it in their pocket.

This is handshake country.

it the same here . people still shake your hand and it means something . that some thing i losed when i lived ina big city . a man word means some thing . i have done deals around here for lots of money with only a handshake . we have two cops here that cover a lot of roads . i have never seen are hoard of them giving a ticket for speeding

[osoab]

So, you are going to judge me based upon that? I see.

Why should we discuss anything then? One Asshole like that and you lump all cops under the same umbrella.

solid, I think any judging has to do with what appears as your automatic support of the cops. I am not trying to get into with you. This is just my observation.

Yep, the bad cops are shitheads and their are good cops too.

But when the standard of integrity bar is set so high for cops and the current rise in cop thugery (you have to admit that) is hitting a head spinning pace, why are you automatic into giving a "Hooray cops!" post? It is almost like you are asking to get bashed, when it is clear what the end result would be. After I read your 1st post in this thread, I realized why there were 3 pages of comments overnight.

solid, I truly believe that the cops that you served with are truly no longer the same breed as today. How many years has it been for you?

[Joe King]

My dept, we didn't have quotas. I didn't have to give any tickets, actually. They wanted to see 3 vehicle or walking stops per shift, which is nothing, yet a lot if there's a lot of crime going on. We would log our stops, but it didn't matter about the tickets. I could give warnings to folks, without citing them, and that was that "gray" area of the law.No, whether to give a warning, ticket or make an arrest is called officers discretion.
The "gray" area is when they make stuff up on the spot in order to gain compliance.
Sorta like in these videos where they "make" people stop filming them when it's not illegal to do so.
At the time they get their way, while counting upon the fact that the person in question probably doesn't know their Rights from a hole in the ground.



I stopped cars that fit vehicles in crimes, such as robberies. I stopped folks that were walking "walking stops", because they matched suspects in crimes in the area.Stuff like that can and is used as an excuse to pull people over just to check them out, too.
...and there's no way for the person being pulled over to really know if it's legit or not, which over time can easily lead to abuse of power.

Let's face facts here. The police today are long accustomed to dealing with people who mostly do not truly understand the law or their Rights.
At which point the cops can say pretty much anything they need to in order to gain compliance, be it legal or not.





That is it, a game, the bad guys verse the cops trying to get them. It's all a game. They know the rules, the cops would use the 'gray' area of the law to put the cards in their favor..I contend that law is black and white and not any shade of gray.

"Gray law" is what that cop tried using on me that one time when he tried threatening me multiple times with a ticket right up until he realized I knew the law better than he thought I did. DoH!
So then he goes into "dad mode" and tries to make with a lecture that had nothing to do with any law and then he just drove away.
....and then I went to the station to complain about his behavior.

Cops are sworn to uphold the letter of the law, not make it up as they go along in order to suit their circumstances.

[po boy]

Joe you fared better than me when I explained I wanted to exercise I was threatened brought up on 2 felonies when at least 3 were committed by the police themselves.I had video of what had transpired and it clearly showed both officers were lying in comparison to their statements.

The FBI did a study a while back and the results showed more crime was committed by law enforcement than street criminals by a large margin.

The police today don't really care about rights of citizens or denizens and the only way to get them in line is to kick them in the wallet.

[StreetsOfGold]

"To put an officer in a car would cost us about $100,000 a year,"

How much of that is tax? Remove this OR make it reasonable 10% and that cost will be FAR less.