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DMac
22nd August 2011, 11:04 AM
I think this is an important read:

The FBI vs. Antiwar.com (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/21/antiwar-com-vs-the-fbi/)

Celtic Rogue
22nd August 2011, 11:28 AM
and I am sure that this is just the tip of the ice berg! We as a nation are no better than the east germans.

gunDriller
22nd August 2011, 11:40 AM
I think this is an important read:

The FBI vs. Antiwar.com (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/21/antiwar-com-vs-the-fbi/)

Raimondo has been very compliant relative to the official 9-11 Conspiracy Theory.

not too surprising they would investigate him - so much of the War on/of Terror is fiction ... FBI agents twiddling their fingers looking for something to do. if they're investigating Raimondo, they must be close to dying of boredom.

Ponce
22nd August 2011, 12:17 PM
The same for "What Really Happened", anything that is anti-Zionist (not anti US) is now a suspect.

DMac
22nd August 2011, 12:19 PM
Raimondo has been very compliant relative to the official 9-11 Conspiracy Theory.

not too surprising they would investigate him - so much of the War on/of Terror is fiction ... FBI agents twiddling their fingers looking for something to do. if they're investigating Raimondo, they must be close to dying of boredom.

I don't know much about Raimondo. What I read in the article was a bit chilling though - think of all the money spent on building his file as a possible enemy of the state, working for a foreign power.

Yet we NEVER hear of illegal Israelis being investigated.

(facepalm)

jimswift
22nd August 2011, 02:02 PM
We as a nation are no better than the east germans.

This is a great film:

The Lives of Others
http://www.sonyclassics.com/thelivesofothers/swf/

gunDriller
22nd August 2011, 02:18 PM
I don't know much about Raimondo. What I read in the article was a bit chilling though - think of all the money spent on building his file as a possible enemy of the state, working for a foreign power.

Yet we NEVER hear of illegal Israelis being investigated.

(facepalm)

yes - very similar to the make-work at a defense contractor, that is a lot like Welfare for Zionists.

mick silver
22nd August 2011, 02:21 PM
i would thanks you guys for your post but the fbi maybe looking;D

Gaillo
22nd August 2011, 02:42 PM
This is a great film:

The Lives of Others
http://www.sonyclassics.com/thelivesofothers/swf/

EVERYONE should view that one... seriously.

Probably my favorite political-themed fim of all time!

DMac
23rd August 2011, 11:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VghPFw1ivwY

Ponce
23rd August 2011, 11:21 AM
Will take a look at that movie after I get back from the VA..........250 friking miles round trip.

DMac
23rd August 2011, 11:24 AM
Antiwar.com Radio discussing the FBi vs Antiwar.com piece (~19 minutes long):


http://antiwar.com/radio/
August 22, 2011| Antiwar Movement, FBI, FISA | Scott Horton

MP3 of the Radio program
http://dissentradio.com/radio/11_08_22_garris.mp3

MAGNES
23rd August 2011, 12:30 PM
Raimondo has been very compliant relative to the official 9-11 Conspiracy Theory.

not too surprising they would investigate him - so much of the War on/of Terror is fiction ... FBI agents twiddling their fingers looking for something to do. if they're investigating Raimondo, they must be close to dying of boredom.

Raimondo and his archive is key reading, nobody beats it.

Nobody beats antiwar.com either, their archives, their key writers
introduced to me early, including Ron Paul.

Not everyone talks about 9/11, it does not mean they are disinfo.

They have Sibel Edmonds on there, and other military people speaking.

Raimondo archive is a key archive to save, even people here aware
of NeoCons can learn a lot of key things, links, etc .

The NeoCons hate the site, Raimondo, and those associated with him,
his writers, Ron Paul, Sibel Edmonds, Paul Craig Roberts, Buchanan,
Lobe, McGovern, look at the list.

They totally out the NeoCons, lies, wars, anthrax, even 9/11.

We need to get back to basics, old articles from 2002-2004 from Raimondo are key.
Full of links and facts, some of it is pretty freaking unbelievable.

Raimondo totally outed what happened with Serbia as well.

mick silver
23rd August 2011, 12:32 PM
magnes do you have a link for us all thanks m s

MAGNES
23rd August 2011, 12:39 PM
I think this is an important read:

The FBI vs. Antiwar.com (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/21/antiwar-com-vs-the-fbi/)


It is an incredibly important read.
The NeoCons got the FBI after them.

They should make a big stink about this.

Read some of Raimondo's archives and you
will know why ZOG has them in their sites.

Is Frontpage and Horowitz being investigated ?
How about the real commies the Kristols,
Bill being the Godfather of the NeoCons,
Irving his father being commie scum, how
about Feith and Perle, when are they going to
jail, Raimondo made the case against them
over and over.

The FBI is reading antiwar.com, they know the truth, lol .

Who brought Alquaeda to Europe to kill Serbs ?
Who armed them ? Who made money doing it too ?
Feith and Perle did, operating out of Israel, Feith and
Zell Law Firm. Who ran honey traps and black mailed
politicians, ? , Feith and Perle, Sibel Edmonds FBI,
testimony, what is the ZOG FBI doing about it ?
Oligarch butchers and NeoCons did Beslan too.
Who is protecting these people ? AIPAC ZOG.

FBI going after the only people exposing these real facts.

MAGNES
23rd August 2011, 12:47 PM
magnes do you have a link for us all thanks m s

This is something to save.

Whoever hasn't read this stuff, it is key reading, even now.

Raimondo Archives. Antiwar.com. On NeoCons.
Go back to early years of wars, NeoCons did Beslan too.

Unfortunately Raimondo messed up his archives.
More clicks are needed now.

roughly 2002 to 2004 pages 100-150
http://original.antiwar.com/author/justin/page/145/

Nothing pisses the Jews off more than this material.

Find and read the Beslan material 2004.

you can do search, save site link
site: put website here
site: original.antiwar.com raimondo
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aoriginal.antiwar.com+raimondo+&hl=en&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
site: original.antiwar.com raimondo beslan
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aoriginal.antiwar.com+raimondo+besl an+&hl=en&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

MAGNES
23rd August 2011, 01:03 PM
The news is not surprising, there is probably worse being hidden.

Those that speak out are being targeted, antiwar.com has hosted
many whistle blowers including dynamite ones like Sibel Edmonds.

There phones have been bugged from day one and they have been tracked,
along with their writers they highlight.

They support Ron Paul too from day one.

Their allies are true conservatives.

Antiwar.com made the blogosphere before WRH.

That is a fact.

Everyone steals finds from them, leads, including Drudge.

This is also an excellent example of intelligence agencies,
other government agencies, using open sources to learn,
investigate, this is pretty common, before they had Lexus
Nexus, now they have the net and sites like antiwar.com
that work to connect the dots. Guess what, the people
have that resource now, we don't have to pay for Lexus
Nexus. Open source investigation and intelligence work
is very common, people get paid to do it, most of their
work is open source, they themselves admit it.

MAGNES
23rd August 2011, 01:24 PM
Just a quick find, there are better, but look at the links in it.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2004/09/17/putin-the-patriot/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml

the British have granted political asylum to Akhmed Zakayev (file:///C%7C/Documents%20and%20Settings/me/My%20Documents/Chechen%20military%20commander%20), a top Chechen military commander accused of murder, kidnapping, and other crimes,

It’s no accident that among the separatist terrorists captured at Beslan were mujahideen from Bosnia (http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA6CA.htm),

The neocons supported that war, too (http://www.newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm), just as they have taken advantage of every war – except the FBI’s war on Israeli spies (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml) –

"This harshness towards Putin is perhaps explained by the fact that, in the US, the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled ‘distinguished Americans’ who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusiastically support the ‘war on terror.’"
Laughlin lists the ACPC’s supporters, including


Richard "Conflict of Interest (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=1804)" Perle



Elliott "Iran-Contra (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A41843-2003May26?language=printer)" Abrams



Kenneth "Cakewalk (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1996-2002Feb12?language=printer)" Adelman



Midge "Rummy’s a Stud Muffin (http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/10282003)" Decter



Frank "Military-Industrial Complex (http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest)" Gaffney



Bruce "Lockheed-Martin Marietta (http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/jackson/jackson.php)" Jackson



Michael "Creative Destruction (http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html)" Ledeen



R. James "World War (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j040403.html)" Woolsey.

osoab
23rd August 2011, 04:38 PM
Just a quick find, there are better, but look at the links in it.
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2004/09/17/putin-the-patriot/
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml

the British have granted political asylum to Akhmed Zakayev (file:///C%7C/Documents%20and%20Settings/me/My%20Documents/Chechen%20military%20commander%20), a top Chechen military commander accused of murder, kidnapping, and other crimes,

It’s no accident that among the separatist terrorists captured at Beslan were mujahideen from Bosnia (http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA6CA.htm),

The neocons supported that war, too (http://www.newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm), just as they have taken advantage of every war – except the FBI’s war on Israeli spies (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml) –

"This harshness towards Putin is perhaps explained by the fact that, in the US, the leading group which pleads the Chechen cause is the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (ACPC). The list of the self-styled ‘distinguished Americans’ who are its members is a rollcall of the most prominent neoconservatives who so enthusiastically support the ‘war on terror.’"
Laughlin lists the ACPC’s supporters, including



Richard "Conflict of Interest (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=1804)" Perle





Elliott "Iran-Contra (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A41843-2003May26?language=printer)" Abrams





Kenneth "Cakewalk (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1996-2002Feb12?language=printer)" Adelman





Midge "Rummy’s a Stud Muffin (http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/episodes/10282003)" Decter





Frank "Military-Industrial Complex (http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest)" Gaffney





Bruce "Lockheed-Martin Marietta (http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/jackson/jackson.php)" Jackson





Michael "Creative Destruction (http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html)" Ledeen





R. James "World War (http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j040403.html)" Woolsey.




Looks like some of those links have been taken down or archived with no current public viewing. Appreciate the links MAGNES.

MAGNES
24th August 2011, 08:36 PM
Scott Horton Interviews Eric Garris
Scott Horton, August 22, 2011
http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/08/22/eric-garris-4/

Eric Garris, founder and director of Antiwar.com, discusses Justin Raimondo’s column “The FBI vs. Antiwar.com (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/21/antiwar-com-vs-the-fbi/)” about FOIA documents (http://www.scribd.com/doc/62394765/1138796-001-303A-NK-105536-Section-6-944900) detailing a 2004 FBI investigation of Antiwar.com, its staff and particularly Raimondo himself; the FBI’s apparent interest in “Urban Movers” and the Israeli connection to 9/11; how the FBI got a FISA warrant to essentially conduct a counterterrorism investigation against Antiwar.com, a US-based non-profit media outlet; holding our collective breath until the un-redacted document is released in 2035; and how to keep charitable donations – large and small – anonymous (https://www.donorstrust.org/faqs.html).

MP3 here (http://dissentradio.com/radio/11_08_22_garris.mp3). (19:45)

Eric Garris is the founder, managing editor, director and webmaster of Antiwar.com.

LuckyStrike
24th August 2011, 08:46 PM
I don't know much about Raimondo.

Yet we NEVER hear of illegal Israelis being investigated.



He is a sodomite jew, I couldn't care less if he falls victim to the police state his kinsman set up.

I'll concern myself with true patriots like Edgar Steele, who told and tells it like it is and maybe killed for it.

MAGNES
24th August 2011, 08:54 PM
I couldn't care less if he falls victim to the police state his kinsman set up.


He outs the NeoCons like nobody else, that is why he is a target,
much of his research I have not seen anywhere else especially some
of his key articles going back to 2002-2004, full of links, information
that was not widely spread, I would never knock him and the people
that like my posts, knowledge, perspective on NeoCons, Raimondo
and his site are the key to my reading and research early, and his allies,
including Ron Paul, many were introduced to me by them, even before
9/11 they outed the very same NeoCons waging war on Europe.

I have never heard of him being Jewish, the NeoCons called him an antisemite
and his site antisemitic early, they all went after him all at once. The writers archives
on antiwar.com, who else has a lineup like that and allies like that that outs the NeoCons,
Israel, all of them are targets of the MSM ?

DMac
24th August 2011, 08:54 PM
It is an incredibly important read.
The NeoCons got the FBI after them.

They should make a big stink about this.

Read some of Raimondo's archives and you
will know why ZOG has them in their sites.

Is Frontpage and Horowitz being investigated ?
How about the real commies the Kristols,
Bill being the Godfather of the NeoCons,
Irving his father being commie scum, how
about Feith and Perle, when are they going to
jail, Raimondo made the case against them
over and over.

The FBI is reading antiwar.com, they know the truth, lol .

Who brought Alquaeda to Europe to kill Serbs ?
Who armed them ? Who made money doing it too ?
Feith and Perle did, operating out of Israel, Feith and
Zell Law Firm. Who ran honey traps and black mailed
politicians, ? , Feith and Perle, Sibel Edmonds FBI,
testimony, what is the ZOG FBI doing about it ?
Oligarch butchers and NeoCons did Beslan too.
Who is protecting these people ? AIPAC ZOG.

FBI going after the only people exposing these real facts.


He's got some interesting reads out there, that's for sure. Here is a google search link:

+Raimondo +archive "Raimondo" site:antiwar.com (http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BRaimondo+%2Barchive+%22Raimondo%22+sit e%3Aantiwar.com&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=667&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=)

Some examples:

War With Iran: Has It Already Begun? (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/06/02/war-with-iran-has-it-already-begun/)
Obama talks peace with Iran, but what's he doing under the radar?

by Justin Raimondo, June 03, 2009



In mounting a campaign to destabilize Iran, the U.S. is allying itself with some pretty loathsome elements. Jundallah, for example, is a Sunni militant organization, created to establish a Baluchi Islamic state in southeastern Iran and parts of Pakistan. One of the founding members of Jundallah was allegedly Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the al-Qaeda operational commander of 9/11 attacks, who was arrested in 2003 in Pakistan and is now in U.S. custody.

He has a pretty good rant when talking about Ron Paul:


Ron Paul! (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/02/21/ron-paul/)
That's all I have to say…

by Justin Raimondo, February 22, 2010



Rabinowitz & Co. have their work cut out for them if they’re going to try and convince conservatives that the Paul movement is "leftist." Good luck with that one. The neocon method, however, is simple repetition: if you tell a lie long enough, and persistently enough, maybe, just maybe people will come to accept it.

"Conspiracy theorist," "zealot," "deranged," "truther" – rinse, and repeat. There is something oddly childish about the taunting polemical style of the neocons: what it boils down to is simple name-calling. Rather than engage Paul’s actual views, the idea is to drive him out of the public square by means of pure epithets. Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson joins the chorus:

"The left has a political interest in defining the broad backlash against expanded government as identical to the worst elements of the Tea Party movement – birthers and Birchers, militias and nativists, racists and conspiracy theorists, acolytes of Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo and Lyndon LaRouche."

Ron Paul, avers Gerson, is preying on those "new to political engagement" who find "anger and paranoia intoxicating." (After all, there’s nothing to be angry about: only the "paranoid" get angry.) They "listen to Ron Paul attacking the Federal Reserve cabal, and suddenly their resentments become ordered into a theory. Such theories, in politics, can act like a drug, causing addiction, euphoria and psychedelic departures from reality."

Yes those drug addict-truther-paranoid-extremist-birther-militia types – how dare they so much as open their mouths!

The whole neocon pack of attack dogs is bound to be out in full force by Monday morning, on that you can depend. Angry, paranoid, and full of hate – that describes Ron’s critics to a tee. They are merely projecting these attributes which they possess in full measure onto Ron Paul and his supporters.

However, regarding 911 I found this:

The Ghost of 9/11 (http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/09/01/the-ghost-of-911/)
It haunts us yet

by Justin Raimondo, September 02, 2009


Bin Laden and his cohorts don’t need any "safe havens" bigger than an apartment in Hamburg, Germany – or Florida – to plan the next 9/11.

As recent as 2009 he's still on the bin L is still alive mind, so include all that entails in your opinion of his writing.

I will admit that he has some great quotes and links in various articles.

MAGNES
25th August 2011, 09:01 PM
Everyone has a role to play appealing to wider audiences educating.

Like this guy never mentioning the word Jew once but you would think you are reading about today.
Banned book from the economist Lindbergh.
Your_Country_At_War.pdf (application/pdf Object) (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/Your_Country_At_War.pdf)

And remember WildCards signature, never heard the word " jew " once, but Baruch many times. LOL
Proofs of a Conspiracy Dr. Stuart Crane mp3
http://www.google.com/search?q=Proofs+of+a+Conspiracy++Dr.+Stuart+Crane+ mp3&hl=en&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
and his key book highlighted, owners of the London School of Economics, real commies
Free http://mises.org/resources/4621/Fabian-Freeway (http://mises.org/resources/4621/Fabian-Freeway)

The Media Is the Enemy
Of peace, liberty, and the truth
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/08/16/the-media-is-the-enemy/

by Justin Raimondo (http://original.antiwar.com/author/justin/), August 17, 2011

Ron Paul is getting more (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61412.html) publicity (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/edcetera/2015926924_post.html) out of not (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/news-media-treating-ron-paul-presidential-campaign-unfairly-190149609.html) getting (http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/08/16/139669952/ron-paul-wears-invisibility-cloak-in-medias-eyes) publicity (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/08/why-didnt-ron-paul-get-more-coverage-how-is-rick-perry-different-from-george-w-bush.html) in the wake of his virtual tie (http://lewrockwell.com/franke/franke17.1.html) with Bachmann in the Ames poll than he’s gotten to date. Suddenly everyone’s noticing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DjvhVcVRk) the “mainstream” media is trying very (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlnHC2OsRHk) hard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlnHC2OsRHk) not to notice the twelve-term Texas congressman and libertarian icon, despite his success in quadrupling (http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/iowa-straw-poll-results-bachmann-paul-crush-the-competition/) his previous Iowa showing and barely (http://articles.boston.com/2011-08-14/news/29887279_1_straw-poll-tim-pawlenty-campaign-manager) being edged out by Bachmann. Jon Stewart’s takedown (http://vimeo.com/27757870) of the Ron Paul media blackout is devastating, and, for the most part, funny. Barring that crack about Paul being “the ‘Patient Zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas)’ of the Tea Party” – likening tea partiers to HIV-positives is offensive on so many levels, I don’t know where to start – Stewart’s critique of the anti-Paul bias in the mainstream media is 100 percent accurate. Roger Simon, writing in Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61412.html), found it “amazing” and “disturbing” that “Paul almost wins the thing and he remains poison.”




We've Been Neo-Conned

by Ron Paul (http://www.house.gov/paul/mail/welcome.htm)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html



It's the Jews, Stupid!!!

by Edgar J. Steele

October 7, 2002
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/jews.htm

mick silver
26th August 2011, 06:23 AM
magnes the link for ron paul not working

Cebu_4_2
26th August 2011, 06:36 AM
Try this Mick: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul110.html

mick silver
26th August 2011, 06:51 AM
this part gave me the chills ... In Ledeen's most recent publication, The War Against the Terror Masters (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312320434?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&linkCode=xm2&camp=1789&creativeASIN=0312320434), he reiterates his beliefs outlined in this 1999 Machiavelli book. He specifically praises: “Creative destruction…both within our own society and abroad…(foreigners) seeing America undo traditional societies may fear us, for they do not wish to be undone.” Amazingly, Ledeen concludes: “They must attack us in order to survive, just as we must destroy them to advance our historic mission
In Machiavelli on Modern Leadership, Ledeen praises a business leader for correctly understanding Machiavelli: “There are no absolute solutions. It all depends. What is right and what is wrong depends on what needs to be done and how.” This is a clear endorsement of situation ethics and is not coming from the traditional left. It reminds me of: “It depends on what the definition of the word ‘is' is.”

mick silver
26th August 2011, 06:53 AM
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.

They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.

They accept the notion that the ends justify the means — that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.

They express no opposition to the welfare state.

They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.

They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.

They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.

They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.

They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.

They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.

They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.

Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.

9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.

They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists).

They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.

They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

mick silver
26th August 2011, 06:58 AM
Once this trust is placed in the hands of a powerful leader, this neocon argues that certain tools are permissible to use. For instance: “lying is central to the survival of nations and to the success of great enterprises, because if our enemies can count on the reliability of everything you say, your vulnerability is enormously increased.” What about the effects of lying on one's own people? Who cares if a leader can fool the enemy? Does calling it “strategic deception” make lying morally justifiable? Ledeen and Machiavelli argue that it does, as long as the survivability of the state is at stake. Preserving the state is their goal, even if the personal liberty of all individuals has to be suspended or canceled.

mick silver
26th August 2011, 07:01 AM
Amazingly, Ledeen calls Pearl Harbor a “lucky” event. The Project for a New American Century, as recently as September 2000, likewise, foresaw the need for “a Pearl Harbor event” that would galvanize the American people to support their ambitious plans to ensure political and economic domination of the world, while strangling any potential “rival.”
Recognizing a “need” for a Pearl Harbor event, and referring to Pearl Harbor as being “lucky” are not identical to support and knowledge of such an event, but that this sympathy for a galvanizing event, as 9-11 turned out to be, was used to promote an agenda that strict constitutionalists and devotees of the Founders of this nation find appalling, is indeed disturbing. After 9-11, Rumsfeld and others argued for an immediate attack on Iraq, even though it was not implicated in the attacks.

mick silver
26th August 2011, 07:04 AM
Spending, borrowing and printing money cannot be the road to prosperity. It hasn't worked in Japan, and it isn't working here either. As a matter of fact, it's never worked anytime throughout history. A point is always reached where government planning, spending and inflation run out of steam. Instead of these old tools reviving an economy, as they do in the early stages of economic interventionism, they eventually become the problem. Both sides of the political spectrum must one day realize that limitless government intrusion in the economy, in our personal lives and in the affairs of other nations cannot serve the best interests of America. This is not a conservative problem, nor is it a liberal problem — it's a government intrusion problem that comes from both groups, albeit for different reasons. The problems emanate from both camps who champion different programs for different reasons. The solution will come when both groups realize that it's not merely a single-party problem, or just a liberal or just a conservative problem.
Once enough of us decide we've had enough of all these so-called good things that the government is always promising — or more likely, when the country is broke and the government is unable to fulfill its promises to the people — we can start a serious discussion on the proper role for government in a free society. Unfortunately, it will be some time before Congress gets the message that the people are demanding true reform. This requires that those responsible for today's problems are exposed and their philosophy of pervasive government intrusion is rejected.
Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. A few have, and others will continue to do so, but too many — both in and out of government — close their eyes to the issue of personal liberty and ignore the fact that endless borrowing to finance endless demands cannot be sustained. True prosperity can only come from a healthy economy and sound money. That can only be achieved in a free society.