Tweakers deserve justice too

[midnight rambler]

The shooter(s) should have done a better job of cornering the varmint to met the letter and spirit of the law.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/jury-123946-burglar-lot.html#ixzz1WAJvzqf5

The only effective treatment for tweakers is a bullet between the eyes.

[midnight rambler]

What's going to be come of the tweakers when in the future they're unable to score crank? What will they do then??

[BrewTech]

The only effective treatment for tweakers is a bullet between the eyes.

While we're at it, we should shoot potsmokers and alcoholics too.

Oh, and anybody who masturbates.

[solid]

See this shit pisses me off..

You can't break into someplace with the intent to steal and harm, then complain when a few bullets come your way. If a bullet takes your life..you walked into it!!

I'm sick of turds playing victims for their own stupidity. Stop stealing!!! Stop being criminals, own your life...and accept responsiblity for your own stupidity!

Good fucking riddance, imo.

Man..the world is really fucked up when this asshole gets 300K from his worthless death.

[osoab]

What's going to be come of the tweakers when in the future they're unable to score crank? What will they do then??

They'll make shittier crank. Battery acid, rat poison, cadavers for embalming fluid.

[osoab]

While we're at it, we should shoot potsmokers and alcoholics too.

Oh, and anybody who masturbates.


This chick might be safe.

Dirty Girls Ministries’ Crusade Against Female Masturbation (http://www.disinfo.com/2011/08/dirty-girls-ministries-crusade-against-female-masturbation/)

[midnight rambler]

While we're at it, we should shoot potsmokers and alcoholics too.

Oh, and anybody who masturbates.

I cannot imagine anyone on this forum taking up for tweakers. IMO, you have no experience with how dangerous and self-destructive tweakers are and/or you associate with tweakers and/or you partake crank yourself. Compared to tweakers heroin junkies are benign.

[zap]

I agree M R tweakers are the scariest of all the druggies, if you ask me the crank changes their brain chemistry, if they have been using for any length of time, they are never the same again.

[solid]

I agree M R tweakers are the scariest of all the druggies, if you ask me the crank changes their brain chemistry, if they have been using for any length of time, they are never the same again.

Tweakers are actually zombies, really. They are the real life version of zombies.

Becareful out there folks! It's a jungle.

[Dogman]

I agree M R tweakers are the scariest of all the druggies, if you ask me the crank changes their brain chemistry, if they have been using for any length of time, they are never the same again.Have to agree with you on this one. Have known some over the years that went that rout, that did it heavy but then did the almost imposable, and got clean. They were not the same people that they were before. The others that I knew are in prison or dead. Doing that shit is almost like stepping into a black hole, only one way in and no way out.

[midnight rambler]

I don't think there can be any denying that using crank permanently alters one's DNA.

[BrewTech]

IMO, you have no experience with how dangerous and self-destructive tweakers are and/or you associate with tweakers and/or you partake crank yourself.

Wrong and wrong. Care to guess again? This time, use your frontal lobe.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Look at the bright side - deer tags are expensive but they still issue them.

[midnight rambler]

Wrong and wrong. Care to guess again? This time, use your frontal lobe.

So you see absolutely nothing wrong with knuckleheads ruining their own life and adversely affecting the lives of virtually everyone they interact with by doing crank...right??

[BrewTech]

So you see absolutely nothing wrong with knuckleheads ruining their own life and adversely affecting the lives of virtually everyone they interact with by doing crank...right??Sure I see something wrong with that. I also see something wrong with condoning the murder of people for what they do to their own lives.

I've known a few tweakers. Some turned criminal, most were harmless to others.

Meth fuck folks up, no doubt about that. When they commit crimes against others as a result, that's when I have a problem. Until then... hey, it's their life.

[solid]

So you see absolutely nothing wrong with knuckleheads ruining their own life and adversely affecting the lives of virtually everyone they interact with by doing crank...right??

Damnit.

They're not knuckleheads....they're hammerheads. Or meatheads. We need to get our terminology right, here, on this forum.

[Carbon]

I don't think there can be any denying that using crank permanently alters one's DNA.

So does GMO HFCS and there's much speculation that - outside of obesity problems - it's also causing a rise in autoimmune diseases.

I don't get your point.

[Twisted Titan]

If you break into my house to take my property and I manage to catch you I'm going to make sure you don't fo it again.

Fill in the blanks however you like

[gunDriller]

I don't think there can be any denying that using crank permanently alters one's DNA.

i don't know if it alters your DNA but it sure f*cks up the user's brain chemistry.

for all practical purposes - if they don't learn to say "no", and pull back from the precipice, after the first few uses - it's GAME OVER for their gray matter.

maybe Dr. Mamboni can explain how meth alters the brain chemistry - why their cognitive abilities are impaired even if they stop using.

i have the impression that the first uses are enjoyable, then the user is forever looking for that feeling, in the process mowing down their friends family profession etc.


meth is the one drug that makes me wonder - if it might be a good idea to put meth sensors on people's toilets or sewer lines. too police state, i know, but if you have a neighbor who is using meth, it's like having an un-caged tiger or zombie or whatever living next door - something i would want to know, if it was the case.

[sirgonzo420]

If cocaine were available at the corner drug store, as it used to be, would meth be a problem?

[Dogman]

If cocaine were available at the corner drug store, as it used to be, would meth be a problem? Unfortunaly I believe meth still would be a problem, some people are always in search of the most intence high/feeling and will fall into the trap.

[Canadian-guerilla]

Police said in a 145-page investigative report that the intruder had knives in his pockets and one strapped to his ankle, but never posed a threat


if this guy was going up against the cops, they would have had a press conference just to display his knives

just like the UK, it's against the law to defend yourself and/or your property

S S S

[Twisted Titan]

+1000 CG

if you even ask a cop a question that is classified as threatning behavior which is grounds for lethal force

yet a thief with weapons on his person is still seen as a victim when the defender is a civilian-

[gunDriller]

If cocaine were available at the corner drug store, as it used to be, would meth be a problem?

i think if America went back to the medication practices that were practiced up till 1937 (tinctures of opium cocaine & marijuana = 3 most widely prescribed medications), we would be better off because a lot of people would settle for commercially available medications.

i think meth is widespread enough in the US that it will affect us a lot as the economy transitions during the next few decades.

if we had access to the "drugs of old", i think meth use would be greatly reduced. instead of being the scourge of many towns counties and states, it would be something you got at the truck stop for a 36 hour haul - or from the doctor (Ritalin) to help you through finals week in college.

[SLV^GLD]

There is better treatment for the addicted than a bullet between the eyes. To state otherwise is intentionally inflammatory, derogatory and obtuse.
Addicts are desperate, hurting people. Criminalizing the drug of choice effectively insures they hide and do not seek the help they need.
However, as Brewtech so eloquently put it, when addicts commit true crimes against fellow men they should be held responsible for those crimes regardless of their state of mind.

[gunDriller]

There is better treatment for the addicted than a bullet between the eyes. To state otherwise is intentionally inflammatory, derogatory and obtuse.

how about a security system that asks a few simple questions that a meth user is bound to not know ?

"who is the governor of your state ?"

"what is the numerical value of pi, the relationship between the circumference of a circle and the diameter of a circle ?"

they get frustrated & move on. before the crime.


i think it might be stupid to get them involved in the criminal justice system for simple possession. that system is designed for violent offenders, and is expensive per person. that's public money spent to house people - why not try to keep the costs down ?

they should let them work on a farm or something. i know there's at least one such arrangement in the Salinas, CA, area, where an ex-con who owns a farm lets recent parolees work on the farm under certain conditions - they have to live at least semi-healthy.

some churches run similar work-and-stay-clean programs.

it's stupid to use public money to incarcerate them the most expensive way possible.


after the crime - we all know the car dealer had the right to protect his business. but the police state in America is parasitic - they want people to 'need' them.

a 'solution' looking for a problem ... but we don't need their 'solution' ... so they twist arms so we do need their 'protection'.

yeah, if you take away a car dealer's right to protect his fleet of cars, then yeah i suppose he depends on the cops to 'protect' him.

[midnight rambler]

I assert that those of you who wish to coddle tweakers never had a violent, deadly encounter with one.

There are two known types of substance abusers who lack ANY inhibitions and will kill you in a heartbeat as soon as look at you: 1) tweakers who've been drinking, and 2) paint huffers who've been drinking. Huffers are fairly easy to spot whereas tweakers aren't. Tweakers are literally the living dead, i.e. real life zombies. And from my experience they effectively hide their activities from everyone else because they *know* they're fucking up.

Back 20+ years ago when I used to hang out in LEO circles there was much talk about how tweakers could have a full magazine fired into them and they'd still be in the fight and just as dangerous as if they had not been shot. A very good friend of mine who was a DPS Trooper once stopped on a freeway in Houston (when he was a Sgt. there and had one of the '77 440 'baby Fury' - B body cars, one of the quickest, most powerful cars ever put into service) to help out a stranded motorist. He had passed him and then backed up on the paved shoulder to where the stranded motorist was on the side of the road. My friend got out and walked back to the stranded motorist's car. The motorist advised him he had run out of gas and upon my friend saying he'd take him to get some gas said, "I'll grab my gas can" as he walked to the back of his car. My buddy who knew well enough not to let the guy pop his trunk open where he couldn't see what he was doing followed the motorist to the back of the motorist's car. He opened up his trunk and grabbed a gas can, then proceeded to walk toward my buddy's cruiser on the driver's side while my buddy proceeded to walk on the safer passenger side. When this motorist was between his car and the back of the cruiser he broke and ran for the driver's door of the cruiser which was running and in park. My buddy got to the driver's door opened it just as the motorist got the cruiser into drive and nailed it, having just enough time to grab the steering wheel with his left hand. Then the fight was on as my buddy tried to steer to the right and the stranded motorist tried to steer the cruiser toward the concrete median in order to crush my friend. Being that it was a 440 car they were doing 100 mph in just a few seconds as this 'stranded motorist' kept it at wide open throttle. As my friend was trying to steer the car back to the right while punching him with his right fist he managed to get his foot on the brake and put all the force he could muster on it. He told me, "I thought that car was going to come apart" with the brakes locked up while at WOT. He managed to stop the car just as it was headed to a grove of trees, all the while he's hanging outside the car with his left hand in a vise grip on the steering wheel (this incident caused a permanent disability in his left shoulder requiring numerous surgeries). Once he managed to get his cruiser stopped he found himself in a fist fight with this 'stranded motorist' on the side of the freeway. Cars were stopping on both sides of the freeway, and one of the closest to him was a family in a station wagon pulling a boat. As he was thinking to himself, "Oh no, I'm going to have to shoot this asshole in front of these young children" the father in the station wagon got out and assisted in subduing the varmint. Guess what - the varmint was a tweaker. Big surprise, huh?

I've had an extremely violent encounter myself with a tweaker, and the only reason I'm alive now is that I responded immediately with a greater level of deadly force. This was the case where the Sheriff himself expressed to me his disappointment that I missed, shaking his head and saying, "Too bad, you'd have done a service to the community."

[po boy]

Advocating violence against a drug addict is just as sick as the addict.

[midnight rambler]

Advocating violence against a drug addict is just as sick as the addict.

I never once suggested seeking out tweakers like four-legged varmints and arbitrarily eliminating them. You don't believe in self-defense as a God-given right?? ???

[BrewTech]

Back 20+ years ago when I used to hang out in LEO circles

That explains a lot.

Proof that meth isn't the only thing that permanently affects a person's cognitive state, and not always for the better.

[BrewTech]

I never once suggested seeking out tweakers like four-legged varmints and arbitrarily eliminating them. You don't believe in self-defense as a God-given right?? ???


The only effective treatment for tweakers is a bullet between the eyes. I don't see anything about "self defense" in that statement.::)

[midnight rambler]

That explains a lot.

Proof that meth isn't the only thing that permanently affects a person's cognitive state, and not always for the better.

You've absolutely no idea what you're talking about as you are clueless as to my experiences.

[po boy]

I never once suggested seeking out tweakers like four-legged varmints and arbitrarily eliminating them. You don't believe in self-defense as a God-given right?? ???

I do and have known more than a few tweeks they are scarey the thread title is misleading and seems to advocate violence.

Self defense is a right I will die for.

[midnight rambler]

I don't see anything about "self defense" in that statement.::)

You continue to demonstrate that you're without a clue. lol Perhaps that's the result of associating with tweakers.

[midnight rambler]

I do and have known more than a few tweeks they are scarey the thread title is misleading and seems to advocate violence.

Self defense is a right I will die for.

The title of the thread was sarcasm.

I have a completely different perspective than most people still looking at the grass from the green side - I survived an extremely violent encounter with a tweaker who used enough deadly force on me to kill me, very seriously injuring me in the process. Frankly and in all seriousness I don't want to 'have' to shoot anyone, however I fully realize that at the present the sort of human I'm subject to 'having' to shoot is a tweaker.

Some people just don't know any better.

[BrewTech]

You've absolutely no idea what you're talking about as you are clueless as to my experiences.

Umm, I read your post. I was under the impression it was one of your experiences. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I think?

As for me not knowing what I'm talking about as to the original topic, well... that may or may not be true. But I'm not the one advocating murdering a class of people just because they decide to use certain drugs.

[midnight rambler]

In violent encounters there are essentially two kinds of people - the quick and the dead. If one is not quick at identifying a tweaker (by their actions and knowing what one can expect out of them) then one is more likely to be dead.

Habitual and unrepentant weakers are real life zombies, adversely affecting EVERYONE they interact with, since they are such fuckups.

[BrewTech]

You continue to demonstrate that you're without a clue. lol Perhaps that's the result of associating with tweakers.

You said in your OP:


the only effective treatment for tweakers is a bullet between the eyes

You then claimed that you never advocated killing tweakers. I point out that in fact, you DID advocate murdering tweakers in your OP and you say I'm the one that doesn't have a clue?

OOOOOOOOK!

[midnight rambler]

You said in your OP:

You then claimed that you never advocated killing tweakers. I point out that in fact, you DID advocate murdering tweakers in your OP and you say I'm the one that doesn't have a clue?

OOOOOOOOK!

I never once advocated anything other than justifiable homicide.

In Texas under current Texas law it's most likely the grand jury would have no billed the shooter(s) in case in the OP under the circumstances as published.

"Some people don't deserve to live." --Reeves Junket, former rangemaster at the Texas DPS pistol range.

[midnight rambler]

Zombie 101 -

http://www.barelyhangingon.com/wp-content/uploads/addictfacesofmethL.jpg

[midnight rambler]

Holey molely!!!

http://www.horrorphile.net/images/kumari-fulbright-meth-addict1.jpg

[BrewTech]

"Some people don't deserve to live."

Indeed, the person that directly threatens my life fits that bill... might be a tweaker, or it might not.

Might just be some authoritarian-minded jerk that thinks he gets to decide such matters based on his opinions.

Don't make no difference to me, as I just stay away from the disagreeable types the best I can.

[zap]

Crank?

[midnight rambler]

Perhaps the battlefield of Armageddon will be littered with crystal meth pipes …?!

http://www.horrorphile.net/the-meth-epidemic/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0ANm4nSsws

[midnight rambler]

Don't make no difference to me, as I just stay away from the disagreeable types the best I can.

It appears to me you fail to get it - there are some extremely dangerous individuals who will never come across as the least bit 'disagreeable', i.e. up 'til the point they kill you.

Go read the above link I posted and watch the video I posted and get back to us.

[solid]

The problem I have with tweakers is the damage they leave in their path, and the crimes they commit against others. It seems they will stupe to anything, regardless of innocent people and who they may hurt in the process.

In my area, there's tweakers burglarizing the area.

When I was on the fire dept, I fought a fire that some tweaker started to burn his meth lab because the cops were onto him. Two things that happened during that fire that could have injured or killed me. It was a basement fire, and while I was conducting a search on the main floor, the fire erupted from underneath the master bedroom and the floor collapsed. I was pretty close to it, but what really gives me shivers was the fact that the asshole tweaker....had hidden gas cans in the wall next to me, sheet rocked in to make a bomb. When the floor gave away and the fire erupted near us, those gas cans could have exploded killing me and my partner.

The second thing that happened was after the fire was out. I was overhauling the ceiling in the room the floor gave out, checking for hotspots, and damn near almost fell through the hole into the burned wreckage in the basement. One of our chiefs was there, grabbed me and lifted me up in the air. I'm glad that man was so strong.

Tweaker's cause a lot of damage when they feel like it. What a waste of human life.

[BrewTech]

It appears to me you fail to get it - there are some extremely dangerous individuals who will never come across as the least bit 'disagreeable', i.e. up 'til the point they kill you.

Go read the above link I posted and watch the video I posted and get back to us.

I could spot a potential tweaker at 25 yards and be dead sure in about 5 seconds. I don't understand why you think the dangerous ones are so stealth... hell, you just posted pics of what they turn into! And it's true! That's pretty obvious, don't you think?

Funny thing is, you think that I disagree with you about how fucked-up tweakers can be. Not one person here (so far) thinks that meth use is a good thing, including me.

[vacuum]

While using guns for self defense is definitely a good thing, it doesn't give you a license to cut people down for petty theft from your business. There's a big difference between dangerous people lurking around your home and someone jumping a fence after hours to grab a power tool. And on top of it, killing that person as they are running away isn't how our society operates. Its basically saying you can kill someone for stealing from you. No, we don't kill people for stealing, we don't cut their hands off, or stone them. We only use violence for self defense when we're physically threatened.

[midnight rambler]

it doesn't give you a license to cut people down for petty theft from your business...killing that person as they are running away isn't how our society operates. Apparently you're not familiar with the laws in Texas. Yes, someone in Texas can use deadly force at night against ANYONE they 'reasonably believe' is on their property with the intent to steal property and they 'reasonably believe' that the one they're shooting at has some of their stolen property in their possession - yes, this includes shooting them in the back as they're fleeing. And in the daylight hours someone who reasonably believes that some other party has set an arson fire can shoot them in the back as they're fleeing the scene of the crime as well.

I can cite a handful of real life examples where a shooter in Texas was no billed by the grand jury for shooting someone in the back at night for trespass/theft as they were fleeing. In one well known local case years ago a fellow woke up to someone having broken into his Jeep Waggoneer to steal the stereo and he shot him in the back with a shotgun at the edge of his drive-way while the thief was fleeing, killing the thief.

[vacuum]

Apparently you're not familiar with the laws in Texas. Yes, someone in Texas can use deadly force at night against ANYONE they 'reasonably believe' is on their property with the intent to steal property and they 'reasonably believe' that the one they're shooting at has some of their stolen property in their possession - yes, this includes shooting them in the back as they're fleeing. And in the daylight hours someone who reasonably believes that some other party has set an arson fire can shoot them in the back as they're fleeing the scene of the crime as well.

I can cite a handful of real life examples where a shooter in Texas was no billed by the grand jury for shooting someone in the back at night for trespass/theft as they were fleeing. In one well known local case years ago a fellow woke up to someone having broken into his Jeep Waggoneer to steal the stereo and he shot him in the back with a shotgun at the edge of his drive-way while the thief was fleeing, killing the thief.
It appears this incident took place in El Paso, Colorado and not in Texas. And in that location, it seems this wasn't "fair game".

If this did happen in Texas the circumstances would be a bit different because people in that state all know what the "rules" are and that changes everything. For example, if I was to rob someone in CO I might not be prepared to harm anyone, even if I get caught. But in TX, robbing is a bigger deal so its more likely I'm prepared to go all the way, just by the fact that I'm doing it.

[BrewTech]

With very few exceptions, shooting someone in the back is the mark of a coward.

[Santa]

With very few exceptions, shooting someone in the back is the mark of a coward.

Ba Da Boom...! :)

[joboo]

I don't think there can be any denying that using crank permanently alters one's DNA.

That, and it burns out your dopamine receptors from over firing all the time (i.e. re uptake inhibitor), and it rewires the neural pathways all at the same time.

Triple mind fuck. Total disaster.

[mightymanx]

That, and it burns out your dopamine receptors from over firing all the time (i.e. re uptake inhibitor), and it rewires the neural pathways all at the same time.

Triple mind fuck. Total disaster.

Can we somehow pump it into the ventilation of the congressional halls? Then the actions they take would make sense.

[k-os]

The problem I have with tweakers is the damage they leave in their path, and the crimes they commit against others. It seems they will stupe to anything, regardless of innocent people and who they may hurt in the process.


This is my problem with any human being. I don't care if a person uses any type of drug. It's harming other people that is the problem here, not the drug use. If someone wants to use drugs, so be it. Some can handle it, some can't. Those that can't - let 'em overdose, I don't care. That's just better for evolution.

[mick silver]

people on hard drugs i just dont want them around me . i dont give fuck if they kill their selfs but i do if they kill someone else . i have seen them come and in our store the first thing i do is make sure my gun is close . i can see one face and know there so f up they should not be walking around

[Dogman]

This is my problem with any human being. I don't care if a person uses any type of drug. It's harming other people that is the problem here, not the drug use. If someone wants to use drugs, so be it. Some can handle it, some can't. Those that can't - let 'em overdose, I don't care. That's just better for evolution. That can be one outlook on life, Let the other person live their life as they want as long as they do not cause harm to others. If they want to kill them selfs, it is their choice, just do not bother other people as you do it.

[solid]

That can be one outlook on life, Let the other person live their life as they want as long as they do not cause harm to others. If they want to kill them selfs, it is their choice, just do not bother other people as you do it.

I totally agree with that outlook on life, I'm not one to judge what other people do with their lives...yet, that's being far to idealistic. Fact is tweakers do cause harm to other people all the time. Fact is the world would be a better place if people stopped using meth.

As of yesterday, I now have a next door neighbor using. I saw her around 2 pm yesterday, she said she just woke up. She looked distant, mentally gone, like a zombie...completely wrecked. I've seen her recently paling around with two known methheads, who got caught stealing. Burglaries have gone up here. Will my neighbor be able to use meth without going down the path of being a criminal? I don't know. I'm not going to stick around long enough to find out (hopefully).

It's sad to see people destroy their own lives, however it makes me angry when they bring other people down with them.

[zap]

You better get of of there asap Solid, you and your stuff aren't safe at all when the tweekers are around, you never know when they are going to freak out.

[solid]

You better get of of there asap Solid, you and your stuff aren't safe at all when the tweekers are around, you never know when they are going to freak out.

Tomorrow, I will go to my intended destination to finalize dock space. Today, I got almost everything I need to get done for the trip. What's left is just small things, like topping off the fuel/water tanks, running the jacklines, securing the dinghy, etc. Last minute stuff.

All I need now is a weather window, and I'm out of here.

[Joe King]

With very few exceptions, shooting someone in the back is the mark of a coward.


Ba Da Boom...! :)AFAIC, if one is fleeing after having commited crimes like rape robbery murder...etc....why would it matter which side of them gets shot?
The point is, they're attempting to flee justice and should stop if they want to prevent being stopped. Assuming, of course, that someone is there to stop them.

[solid]

AFAIC, if one is fleeing after having commited crimes like rape robbery murder...etc....why would it matter which side of them gets shot?
The point is, they're attempting to flee justice and should stop if they want to prevent being stopped. Assuming, of course, that someone is there to stop them.

I agree with Brewtech, shooting in the back is a coward's game.

You can't just shoot someone because you think they 'committed' a crime. That's being tried guilty before innocent, that's not the American way.

You shoot to stop someone from hurting your family, or other innocent people. You protect life, by making that decision.

[Joe King]

I agree with Brewtech, shooting in the back is a coward's game.

You can't just shoot someone because you think they 'committed' a crime. That's being tried guilty before innocent, that's not the American way.

You shoot to stop someone from hurting your family, or other innocent people. You protect life, by making that decision.

What I wrote assumes that the shooter has proof-positive of the crime and "knows" his target. Not that you just think someone has commited a crime due to the fact they are running.
ie you walk around a corner and see someone being beaten with a baseball bat and robbed, and then the perp tries to run away when you pull your gun, it's perfectly ok to shoot the perp if the perp doesn't choose to stop. Gotta stop 'em somehow. To not is to let them think they can get away with it. Can't have that, as it just re-inforces their bad behavior.

[solid]

Gotta stop 'em somehow. To not is to let them think they can get away with it. Can't have that, as it just re-inforces their bad behavior.

If they drop their weapon and flee, it still doesn't justify shooting them. If they have the weapon, in someone's harms way, shoot them.

This is why we train the gym. So we can chase them the fuck down and catch them.

No situation is perfect, we just can do the best that we can do.

[Joe King]

Just because they drop one doesn't mean they don't have another.

If you wait 'til you know for sure, they either get the drop on you, or they get away. The fact they've just commited a serious felony should be enough justification. After all, simply stoping would prevent it. {them getting shot}

[solid]

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[Joe King]

I was just going by the letter of the law relative to MR's post about Texas law and using deadly force. No more, no less.

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

That last part means that there is no duty to chase after them.
...and if it's ok to use deadly force to prevent the perp from fleeing after things like burglary or robbery, rape and murder would fit the bill too.

[solid]

OK Joe, you go and shoot a perp in the back.

You live with it. Don't ask me to join ya there.

[Joe King]

OK Joe, you go and shoot a perp in the back.

You live with it. Don't ask me to join ya there.I wouldn't want to do it, just sayin' that I can see the logic of shooting someone in order to prevent them from fleeing after having commited a serious felony.
I doubt I'd do it for just theft or something like that, but for murder, rape, armed robbery, stuff like that? Sure. I see no problem with it. But it's still a personal call I suppose.

[solid]

I wouldn't want to do it, just sayin' that I can see the logic of shooting someone in order to prevent them from fleeing after having commited a serious felony.
I doubt I'd do it for just theft or something like that, but for murder, rape, armed robbery, stuff like that? Sure. I see no problem with it. But it's still a personal call I suppose.

I wouldn't for armed robbery unless it was in progress, but if I saw the murder or rape with my own eyes and the turd took off, it would be damn tempting. Depends upon the loss, and the damage that the perp could cause trying to get away.

Don't discount the satisfaction you get from catching a guy in a foot chase, Joe. Chasing a perp down and getting him the old fashion way is damn rewarding.

[Joe King]

It's also very dangerous.

Why take additional risks in a foot pursuit to who knows where when there's a victim that might need help? A gun lets you do both.
....and this whole discussion is about crimes in progress that one happens to witness, not about vigilantism.

[solid]

It's also very dangerous.

Why take additional risks in a foot pursuit to who knows where when there's a victim that might need help? A gun lets you do both.
....and this whole discussion is about crimes in progress that one happens to witness, not about vigilantism.

A gun should be used when your life, or the life of others is immediately threatened....only then.

It's not used for revenge.

If it's too dangerous for you to chase a perp, don't chase them. Some of us would rather chase the bastards. Accept that risk.

That being said, any turd who wished to harm another person should make their peace, because a bullet or two their direction is well earned, imo.

[Joe King]

A gun should be used when your life, or the life of others is immediately threatened....only then.

It's not used for revenge. Stopping someone immediately after their commission of a serious felony where a victim has been created is not "revenge".



If it's too dangerous for you to chase a perp, don't chase them. Some of us would rather chase the bastards. Accept that risk.Why accept an unnecessary risk? The perp knew in advance that by robbing/raping/murdering someone, they were painting a target on themselves.



That being said, any turd who wished to harm another person should make their peace, because a bullet or two their direction is well earned, imo.There ya go. I knew you'd come around to seeing it my way. ;)