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freespirit
31st August 2011, 06:52 AM
http://news.sympatico.ca/oped/coffee-talk/canadas_pot_laws_go_up_in_smoke/da2c93d8



If the federal government doesn't fix the medical marijuana system, pot will be legal to grow and possess in less than 90 days. Will Cheech and Chong head north?


BONG! Some reports say that's the sound an Ontario judge's gavel made when he ruled our pot laws unconstitutional earlier this week.

Ontario Superior Court Justice Donald Taliano found that the medical marijuana system in Canada doesn't work.

Sick people are unable to find doctors willing to give them a licence to possess pot, and since the government hasn't done anything to improve the situation, the laws prohibiting growing or possessing the weed should no longer apply.

There's plenty of fodder here for jokes about Doritos sales skyrocketing or people using the judge's paperwork as giant rolling papers, but there's a serious principle at stake.

Let's leave out the pot and look at the root cause, so to speak.

Would we accept a more socially acceptable drug being withheld from those in need? Probably not. Politics is at play.

The definition of negligence is knowing there's problem, yet doing nothing about it.

In the case of medical pot, the federal government – namely Health Canada – has known the system of doctor authorizations is broken, and has done nothing to fix it.

During the case heard by Taliano, people suffering from fibromyalgia, seizures, and other afflictions spoke about visits to as many as 37 doctors, all of whom turned them down when they sought authorization for a licence to possess weed. The Canadian Medical Association has asked the federal government not to make doctors the gatekeepers of licences, but they were ignored too.

And getting that licence is just the first hurdle. If a sick person is approved for a licence, the delay in getting final authorization from Health Canada could be as long as nine months.

Legitimately sick people shouldn't have to deal with a sick system, and that's what Taliano concluded. He understood that the federal government will only act when forced to do so.

The ruling comes within days of an American report that says one per cent of U.S. power consumption is used to grow pot.

The sobering report concluded that the generators often used to power all the lights and fans for indoor grow-ops produce 17 million metric tons of carbon dioxide each year. It takes more than 250 liters of diesel fuel to produce one indoor pot plant.

That means a single joint represents two pounds of greenhouse gas emissions.

The good news: efficiency improvements of 75 per cent are conceivable, the author writes, just by moving the growing plants outdoors.

So if we combine our Canadian court case and the American grow-op report, the solution becomes clear. We would all be better off if pot is grown outdoors and legally.

Allow small-scale production and small-scale possession of marijuana, and you enjoy: reduced demands on our courts, removal of organized crime from distribution, hydro conservation and reduced greenhouse gases. And best of all, easy access for people who need the drug.

Do the positives of pot legalization outweigh the negatives? What effect do you think legalized pot would have in the long run?


...personally, i'm all for it. not just as a daily smoker, either. people who really need it should be able to get it without having to interact with a criminal element. my g/f has been trying to get a doctor's signature on her paperwork for a couple of years. if she could get the papers signed, she could designate me as her grower, thereby removing us both from that "criminal element".

afaic, the biggest drawback to legalization is the fact that it will cut into gov't money from courts, etc.,and it takes one more intimidation tool away from police. imo, neither of these things are drawbacks to the average person, only to the gov't.

madfranks
31st August 2011, 07:28 AM
I think it's a good thing too, and I personally don't even like marijuana. Tried it once, made me sick.

gunDriller
31st August 2011, 07:34 AM
when i'm watering my plants i have 3 sections - "Trees Food Fuel"

Trees are cedar, Doug Fir, pine.

Food is corn, cantaloupe, potatoes, tomatoes, baby apple trees.

Fuel is Sunflowers, Peanuts, and Pumpkins (all can be used as feedstock for biodiesel).


oh, and there's a beer section - hops plants. OK, so 4 sections.

anyway, that's one of the interesting things about Cannabis - it would go in the "food" section and the "fuel" section (if i wasn't concerned about being arrested.)

it's a VERY useful plant. Food, fuel, fiber, useful medication - all from ONE plant.

so useful they ... made it illegal, here in the US.

Large Sarge
31st August 2011, 07:50 AM
this is great news!!!

Ash_Williams
31st August 2011, 08:06 AM
That story sounds old.

The only thing that will happen is more appeals and a years of court. I think that is happening right now.
I feel like it was a year ago Ontario struck down the prostitution laws - nothing really came out of that.

freespirit
31st August 2011, 08:10 AM
definitely great news, but don't light 'em up yet...still some time before the deadline passes...i have a feeling updates on this situation are going to be hard to find. they'll bury this with all the shit beyond page 6 of the local paper. i will be watching closely to see how the next 8-10 weeks develop. will try to keep updates coming.

jimswift
31st August 2011, 08:14 AM
so useful they ... made it illegal, here in the US.


If hemp was decriminalized, the boon in a lot of industries would be noticeable.

I wonder how quickly Hemp based ethanol could be brought to mainstream market if decriminalized?

freespirit
31st August 2011, 08:26 AM
If hemp was decriminalized, the boon in a lot of industries would be noticeable.

I wonder how quickly Hemp based ethanol could be brought to mainstream market if decriminalized?

...i would think they could do that inside of three years.

Hatha Sunahara
31st August 2011, 08:49 AM
I have been watching a documentary film called The American Drug War. It's on DVD and available at Netflix for rental. That film calls attention to how the drug war gave rise to the prison industrial complex, which provided jobs for rural America. I'm not sure if Canada has privately run prisons, but if they do, that is another reason for keeping marijuana illegal.

The whole drug war, like all wars is based on a huge set of lies. The numbers of people who believe these lies and who repeat them shakes my faith in humanity.


Hatha

keehah
31st August 2011, 08:51 AM
Government 'efficiency' at Its finest: It takes more than 250 liters of diesel fuel to produce one weed.

Hopefully more efficient than taking over Afghanistan to grow CIA's poppies.

jimswift
31st August 2011, 09:05 AM
prison industrial complex

This is likely one of, if not he biggest reasons for the current situation.

The government wouldn't very well 'eliminate' jobs in the midst of a depression where there are no jobs.

Everything coming outta these bozo's is about all the jobs they are "creating". Regardless if that job produces anything or not.

Most of these 'projects' that are supposedly creating jobs, after completion are net consumers. So I don't see anything gained by governments building new gov. buildings.

Like I heard Peter Schiff say one time "...You don't have a job for the sake of having a job..."

Libertytree
31st August 2011, 09:19 AM
If hemp was decriminalized, the boon in a lot of industries would be noticeable.

I wonder how quickly Hemp based ethanol could be brought to mainstream market if decriminalized?

I'd be willing to bet that it could be done much sooner. Also I think it's Methanol that's derived from the oil in the seeds.

The boom that would come from hemp legalization (separate from cannabis) would be dramatic and quicker than most think. I forgot the exact number but there's something like 4-5000 products that can be derived from hemp.

gunDriller
31st August 2011, 09:54 AM
...i would think they could do that inside of three years.

i think there's a lot of engineers & entrepreneurs who already started, some more than 3 years ago.

basically it's the Cellulosic Ethanol process, optimized for hemp chemistry, moisture, & processing issues.

the one that gets me is Hemp Beer. Hops & Cannabis being so closely related as plants, I guess it's not surprising. What Hops Beer does Hemp Beer taste like - if any ?

osoab
31st August 2011, 09:57 AM
when i'm watering my plants i have 3 sections - "Trees Food Fuel"

Trees are cedar, Doug Fir, pine.

Food is corn, cantaloupe, potatoes, tomatoes, baby apple trees.

Fuel is Sunflowers, Peanuts, and Pumpkins (all can be used as feedstock for biodiesel).


oh, and there's a beer section - hops plants. OK, so 4 sections.

anyway, that's one of the interesting things about Cannabis - it would go in the "food" section and the "fuel" section (if i wasn't concerned about being arrested.)

it's a VERY useful plant. Food, fuel, fiber, useful medication - all from ONE plant.

so useful they ... made it illegal, here in the US.

You could put them in the tree area if you grown them big enough. ;D

freespirit
31st August 2011, 10:36 AM
You could put them in the tree area if you grown them big enough. ;D

...wish i had a working scanner...i could show you a pic of one i grew a few years ago...i can reach 8', but i couldn't jump and touch the top of this one, and you couldn't get your arms all the way around it! yielded about 5oz of primo dried, cured and bagged! ;D