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midnight rambler
1st September 2011, 04:00 PM
From a newsletter I subscribed to just to get this one article, it took a while but finally I received it in an email. This shows the short-sightedness of some people who falsely think they're *ready* for what's coming down the pike.

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BFP#10 Do You Need a Gun to Garden?

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Growing your own food is the cornerstone of a sustainable lifestyle and offers you the possibility of real health, true freedom, and deep healing. Since it also can be a very difficult journey we will also provide you with continual encouragement and support.

Do You Need a Gun to Grow a Garden?


Well guns aren't really that useful for digging or anything like that. But do you need a gun if you are becoming self-reliant? Let me tell you a true story that happened to me which had me re-think the whole concept of security.

Back when we were first starting to sell the DVD Food Production Systems for a Backyard or Small Farm (available from our website here (http://backyardfoodproduction.com/?awt_l=9wq2_&awt_m=LZvlNHYo446903)) I had a very shocking experience. When I say shocking, I mean I was really dumbfounded, and almost couldn't speak for a long time.

I was at a local shop talking with the owner about carrying the DVD in his store. He was congenial enough, but looked me right in the eye and told me "I will never need to grow food". I told him that you never knew what was coming and being able to grow food could be a crucial skill. He flatly told me he would never have to grow food. I asked him why, and he said "because I have this", and from under the counter he pulled out a big black semi-automatic gun.

I stared at the gun not understanding, and I asked him 'What do you mean?"

"Well, if anything happens" he said, "it is like this; with this gun I can get all the food I need from people like you who grow it".

Several customers who had been listening in on the conversation agreed with the shop owner. They were ordinary looking people and I would have never guessed they would have this kind of thinking.

Now I live in Texas, which has a proud tradition of gun ownership. Buying, selling, and swapping guns is easy and legal - in fact, it is a major pastime for many Texans. And while Texas may be on the more extreme end of the spectrum, that kind of mentality exists in some form everywhere.

So I began a project of researching guns and self-defense. Within the history of recent periods it is well documented that crime and violence go up as economic conditions go down. And there certainly are scenarios where law and order break down. Having some level of defense is an important skill.

Here is a short summary of the major points and useful resources I have discovered about self-defense. One of the first things I found is gun owners are strongly opinion-ed and they rarely agree. Most of them were very friendly and offered lots of help in my process of trying to find what weapons I might need and how to use them. But be aware there is a lot of conflicting information out there.


Getting some basic training is essential. Of all the videos I've seen, I found the series produced by The Outdoor Channel titled "The Best Defense" to have the most useful and specific information for a novice gun owner. You can order a copy from Amazon.com here (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9wq2_&m=LZvlNHYo446903&b=hyjQDrLQK3MRTJ270dtpOA).

Of the many trainings that are available there are some that are free or low cost. We attended an excellent training done over a weekend where they teach rifle marksmanship and an entertaining dose of revolutionary war history. The training is sponsored by a group called Appleseed. As of 2010, the course was free to women and children, and only $75 for men. They welcomed beginners and a majority of the rifles were inexpensive .22 caliber. To find an Appleseed event near you click here (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9wq2_&m=LZvlNHYo446903&b=jTyTW5PoNsKyqpxO7G_wxA).

As a woman, I found that I felt comfortable with the .22LR caliber as a first handgun and rifle. Lower start up cost, relative quiet, and low recoil helped my skittish nerves and fear of these powerful new tools. As I gained more experience and got comfortable with gun safety and operation, I moved up to a 9mm handgun. Over half of all hand guns sold in the US are 9mm and with that much popularity the caliber is likely to be available as long as ammunition is available.

Another very common and versatile gun is the shotgun. By far, 12 gauge is the most widely available size. If you are only going to have one gun, I have to agree with the experts recommendation of the 12 gauge shotgun with a shorter barrel as an all around weapon. The first time I shot a 12 gauge it was loaded with heavy buckshot and I almost fell over from the noise and recoil and I was afraid of them for a long time. Later, a friend introduced me to low recoil rounds, and after some testing, I realized that even simple bird shot loads (which are fairly light) would be highly effective in home - or garden - defense scenarios. My 11 year old son can also handle the 12 gauge with lighter loads.

Hopefully, you and I (or my son!) will never get to the point of needing a weapon to defend our gardens and livestock. But it sure is something to think about - and prepare for. Actually, I have been finding it a lot of fun to go shooting.

Bang! Next week we'll look at the fortune you are probably pissing away.

Until then,

Marjory Wildcraft
& the Backyard Food Production Team

midnight rambler
1st September 2011, 04:03 PM
Who in the world thinks that terrorizing the folks who grow food are going to net any long term positive results?? Madness....

Cebu_4_2
1st September 2011, 04:26 PM
Might work once, maybe even twice if in the dark but a third time I have my doubts about.

JJ.G0ldD0t
1st September 2011, 04:29 PM
That mentality has always been simply unthinkable to me. Absolutely foreign... yet as the writer points out-even those that are now law abiding NOW have every intention of doing "what ever it takes" to survive- moral flexibility they call it.

Triple your ammo stock. Double your practice time.

gunDriller
1st September 2011, 05:27 PM
at many homestead locations, to get there, you have to drive or it's a long walk.

i think a primary concern is that someone coming from the road, if they're trespassing & not welcome, if you shoot in their direction, you are possibly shooting towards the road, in the direction of your neighbors.

if you can stop their car, for example with a gate, it makes the task of robbing you a little more difficult - they have to hike in.

if you have poison oak & a big wall of thorny weeds in front of your garden, it hides it AND makes getting to it un-inviting.

none of these are panaceas, but if a trespasser makes it through the security layers & barriers, and robs your garden - well, then, yes, it's time to unlatch the safety.


i am curious. if you have something like a 20 gauge shotgun, will the cloud of lead pellets disperse, so that you can fire it at a trespasser, but not have to worry about killing a neighbor whose house might be in the line of sight 200 yards behind the trespasser ?

i am wondering if a 20 or 12 gauge might be better than a rifle (.308 or .310 ?) or a handgun (.357/ .38/ .45 ACP) in some situations.

don't want to piss off a neighbor with a bullet ricochet, the neighbor's part of your security set-up ... hopefully !

Cebu_4_2
1st September 2011, 05:33 PM
Hopefully you are above the garden and all them shooting scenarios are void of neighbor problems. 200 yards can be a crapshoot I wouldn't be willing to try straight on.

palani
1st September 2011, 05:42 PM
Life is pretty short. It is even shorter when you are stupid.

JJ.G0ldD0t
1st September 2011, 05:42 PM
i am curious. if you have something like a 20 gauge shotgun, will the cloud of lead pellets disperse, so that you can fire it at a trespasser, but not have to worry about killing a neighbor whose house might be in the line of sight 200 yards behind the trespasser ?


depends on shot size and powder load... Bird shot wouldn't be any big deal - but buck or slugs.... not so much.

It'd be interesting to see some ballistics charts.

vacuum
1st September 2011, 05:43 PM
Had a scare a few days ago. We thought we saw a light and heard something in the woods behind our house. We got our guns and went to investigate. It was actually kind of scary, because someone would have to be pretty bold or pretty desperate to move in on a house like that in the middle of the night. Turns out it was nothing, but it taught us some lessons. The first one is that you are completely helpless against someone with a rifle and night vision at night. Second, our dog didn't do much. So there are additional, tactical, things that must be considered beyond merely having a weapon.

mrnhtbr2232
1st September 2011, 06:03 PM
With that kind of attitude it takes away the hesitation to pause for moral reflection in the split second before pulling the trigger.

osoab
1st September 2011, 06:07 PM
Who in the world thinks that terrorizing the folks who grow food are going to net any long term positive results?? Madness....

The same ones that will expect food stamps/debit cards to be handed out twice a month.

People will get mean and more greedy. They won't have their daily fix on extravagances.

"I need that, so I will take it. Fuck the other guy."

k-os
1st September 2011, 06:24 PM
I believe that some people could be "morally flexible" when the time comes, but what is more likely is that these people have not fully thought it out, or they are just acting like tough guys. I don't know how a person with any morals at all could consider pillaging a viable way of life.

I love that the article mentions Appleseed!

Twisted Titan
1st September 2011, 06:24 PM
anybody that thinks they can rob themself to sustainabilty is living in a fools paradise.

you might have some degree of suscess in urban areas as local defense laws are tight.I guranteee that will fall off very sharply as they fan out.

back wood and middle area folk will dam near be waiting for them

po boy
1st September 2011, 07:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML6oLuLecQ4