Guy butcher's cow in driveway...in residential neighborhood

[vacuum]

Here's a link to google street view in the neighborhood that it happened in....not sure which house it was though:
neighborhood (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2700+block+of+Gramercy+Avenue+in+ogden&hl=en&ll=41.215305,-111.956692&spn=0.010686,0.022552&safe=off&gl=us&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=41.216294,-111.958014&panoid=M314xFo-bPCu0SOSHv2aeg&cbp=12,205.73,,0,7.96)


Police called after man butchers cow in his driveway

OGDEN -- Charges may ensue for an Ogden man who startled the neighbors by butchering a cow in his driveway over the weekend.

Police were called to the scene at 1:44 p.m. Sunday after the cow's owner began harvesting the animal. A patrolman was responding to a caller who saw a cow being trailered to the home in the 2700 block of Gramercy Avenue.

The caller then reported hearing the cow's audible mooing, followed by what sounded like a gunshot, said Police Lt. Troy Burnett. Then the mooing stopped.

The patrolman's report said when he arrived at the scene a half-block above Monroe Boulevard, "the cow was in the process of losing its head," Burnett said.

The man sawing at the animal's neck, the owner of the beef, denied shooting the cow on the premises, telling the officer the animal had been dispatched outside the city limits.

The officer took the information and filed a report that will be screened by the city attorney's office for possible charges, Burnett said.

"I assume the patrolman had them make arrangements to do the butchering out of plain view," he said.

"It boggles my mind," Burnett said. "It's not illegal, but it's absurd that people would think slaughtering a cow in their driveway is OK. Maybe on the west side of the county on one of the farms. But in the middle of a high density residential area?"

If evidence confirms the person shot the cow on-site, a charge could be filed of discharging a firearm within the city limits, he said.

Other possible violations could include disorderly conduct or health code violations, he said, the latter question which will be referred to the Weber-Morgan Health Department.

The family reporting the unusual bovine demise called their children indoors before calling police, suspecting something unusual taking place, Burnett said.

If any children had witnessed the butchering, and become upset, that could possibly constitute disorderly conduct, said Burnett and Mike Junk, Ogden city's senior prosecutor.

Junk said disorderly conduct includes language of behavior creating "public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm."

Junk said he hadn't been forwarded the case yet as of Tuesday, but said his review would also include the state's animal cruelty statute. "There are a lot of possibilities."

Lori Buttars, spokeswoman for Weber-Morgan Health Department, said the department had not yet been contacted by police about the cow case.

"We have not started that process," she said. "But we'll work with police as needed." The department had received at least three media calls about the case, she said.

The health department would likely be involved if the meat of the animal was sold without the proper permit, or if complaints surfaced about debris from the slaughter left out to decompose, she said.

Disposal of the carcass would be under the jurisdiction of the state Department of Agriculture, Buttars said.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2011/09/06/police-called-after-man-butchers-cow-his-driveway

[General of Darkness]

Animal fucking cruelty?

Look up kosher slaughter Mr Junk, you POS ZOGBOT.

[LastResort]

Animal fucking cruelty?

Look up kosher slaughter Mr Junk, you POS ZOGBOT.

I used to cut meat with an old NEwfy. He used to tell me all kinds of stories from working at one small slaughter house.

Once a month he said this crazy robed masked guy showed up with his 4 foot long sword to kill the cows for kosher beef. He said it was like a friggen horror show and still had bad dreams about it. How they got away with it he never knew...

[Awoke]

Meh. It wouldn't upset my kids to see a cow getting butchered on someones front lawn. I don't think they would want to see it get shot, but the butchering wouldn't faze them.

[brosil]

I'd have to consider this a bit low class. Didn't the guy have a garage he could do this in?

[SLV^GLD]

No harm no foul.
Don't want to see it, don't look.
Where do people think meat comes from?

It's a travesty that everyone is trying to find some way some how to punish this man for doing what man does.

I agree it is low class but I see low class all the time with no one trying every way possible to enact punishment for it.
I do the smart thing and choose not to engage with staring and drooling.

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

I can't say that I've ever been party to a driveway - butcher shop... But we've butchered deer and hogs in the back yard before... no privacy fence either.. lol -

My boy has been witness to numerous animal killings slaughterings. - since about age 4. He calls it "harvesting".::)

That said... yeah, He should be able to do what he wants... however inconsiderate.

[sirgonzo420]

Was it *his* cow?

Was it *his* driveway?

If the answer to both the above questions is "yes", what's the problem?

[po boy]

Here the neighbors complain about people grass getting too tall for their liking I can just imagine someone butchering a cow lol.

I could care less I've helped clean more than a few wild pigs in plain view and the same people that complain have no problem doing yard work in a speedo.

It never was an issue till the retirees moved here. I always wonder why they complain about taxes going up when they are part of the problem.

[po boy]

Animal fucking cruelty?

Look up kosher slaughter Mr Junk, you POS ZOGBOT.


What would you call hunting if slaughter is cruel?

[mamboni]

Was it *his* cow?

Was it *his* driveway?

If the answer to both the above questions is "yes", what's the problem?

Somehow I don't think you'll ever be nominated to be president of your HOA.;D;D;D

[Shami-Amourae]

Huh? I thought beef grew on trees. Why are they murdering cows now?!

[beefsteak]

We talking a Babe the Blue Ox size here or a cute little heifer with ....

wait for it,

wait for it.....

wait for it..........
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big brown calf eyes?

[mrnhtbr2232]

Back in the days before everyone masturbated to America's Most Wanted a cow being butchered in the driveway would be a sign of wealth. I remember carving up deer after hunting with my father as a kid - as natural as the sun shining. What a world of pussies we live in.

[madfranks]

The caller then reported hearing the cow's audible mooing, followed by what sounded like a gunshot, said Police Lt. Troy Burnett. Then the mooing stopped.

What the F kind of first grade level reporting is this?

[madfranks]

Made me think of this scene from Napoleon Dynamite:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Jr2jkbfzk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Jr2jkbfzk

[hoarder]

Our culture has degraded to the point where squeamishness is regaded as an asset.

If I was severely injured, blood and guts all over the place, I would prefer to be found by someone who has butchered his own meat, to someone who finds that repulsive.

[Awoke]

Madfranks, I can't see the clip you posted, but I'm going to guess it's the part when the bus drives by the farmer and the cow?

Hoarder and mrnhtbr, you're correct as usual.

[Neuro]

http://www.thelocal.se/articleImages/36002.jpgElk meat may!
Huh? I thought beef grew on trees. Why are they murdering cows now?!

[keehah]

Stupid farmer. Don't butcher the cow in front of the sheep.

[Festina Lente]

If any children had witnessed the butchering, and become upset, that could possibly constitute disorderly conduct, said Burnett and Mike Junk, Ogden city's senior prosecutor.



Considering our hunter-gatherer past, I find this part of the story laughable. What have we become?

[madfranks]

Madfranks, I can't see the clip you posted, but I'm going to guess it's the part when the bus drives by the farmer and the cow?

Yep, that's the one!

[Joe King]

Meh. It wouldn't upset my kids to see a cow getting butchered on someones front lawn. I don't think they would want to see it get shot, but the butchering wouldn't faze them.

I don't know if you can see this or not, but the article clearly stated that the butchering wasn't the problem, but rather that he'd discharged a firearm within city limits and in a residential neighborhood no less.



"It boggles my mind," Burnett said. "It's not illegal, but it's absurd that people would think slaughtering a cow in their driveway is OK. Maybe on the west side of the county on one of the farms. But in the middle of a high density residential area?"

If evidence confirms the person shot the cow on-site, a charge could be filed of discharging a firearm within the city limits, he said.

Other possible violations could include disorderly conduct or health code violations, he said, the latter question which will be referred to the Weber-Morgan Health Department.

By the fact of him choosing to live in the location he did, he agrees to bound by that locations rules. One of which is that there are no gun shots allowed.
Another is that there are health code regulations that he may or may not have violated.

[Spectrism]

The guy should have said:

"I am cutting up meat for food. I eat what I kill. Cops should be so thoughtful and only kill what they eat."

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQynViAF6Ds


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQynViAF6Ds

off topic but what is up with the flag on youtubes page in the upper left corner?

[mightymanx]

off topic but what is up with the flag on youtubes page in the upper left corner?

It hot links you to some political youtube ask the candate crapola.

http://www.youtube.com/foxnews?feature=yoodle

[horseshoe3]

By the fact of him choosing to live in the location he did, he agrees to bound by that locations rules. One of which is that there are no gun shots allowed.
Another is that there are health code regulations that he may or may not have violated.

What if he was annexed. I know several people who have recently been annexed. They are very unhappy about it. They gain no additional services, but taxes and regulations went up substantially. Fortunately, I live so far out in the sticks that I'll never be annexed.

[solid]

While this story is funny, I think it's a question of etiquette and common sense. Why didn't he butcher the cow in the back yard, where privacy is assumed? There's no privacy in a driveway in a residential area.

People would never walk around naked in a driveway, that's indecent exposure. However, walk around naked in your backyard, and anyone watching is a peeping tom.

Same thing with butchering a cow, if you are going to do that...do that where there's privacy.

[Joe King]

What if he was annexed. I know several people who have recently been annexed. They are very unhappy about it. They gain no additional services, but taxes and regulations went up substantially. Fortunately, I live so far out in the sticks that I'll never be annexed.When you live close to a town or city that's the chance you take.
Not that I agree with forced annexation, mind you, but everyone knows that it happens.

[SLV^GLD]

While this story is funny, I think it's a question of etiquette and common sense. Why didn't he butcher the cow in the back yard, where privacy is assumed? There's no privacy in a driveway in a residential area.

Driveways are a million times easier to wash clean once finished than the grass in your back yard. Also, they tend to not lend a billion pieces of organic material to get stuck in the meat.

[freespirit]

solid---the guy said that he didn't shoot the animal there...


The man sawing at the animal's neck, the owner of the beef, denied shooting the cow on the premises, telling the officer the animal had been dispatched outside the city limits.

if that was truly the case, then slaughtering it in the driveway kinda makes sense...he may not have had a large enough access to his back yard to get the cow in there...also, you ever try to move a dead cow?? without a tractor or a forklift, good luck!

[solid]

OK. I stand corrected! Cheers!

[Dogman]

Have not a problem with the butchering, Tho if there were witness seeing the cow alive on the trailer and hearing it lowing. Then heard what sounded something like a shot and the animal is dead and being cut up, you can bet your booties the law will have a necropsy done. Then the guy maybe in deep dodo if any lead is found in the body.

[mick silver]

dam my whole family would be out there helping and i would bet the guy who lives down the road would come by and ask if i needed any help

[Gaillo]

Have not a problem with the butchering, Tho if there were witness seeing the cow alive on the trailer and hearing it lowing. Then heard what sounded something like a shot and the animal is dead and being cut up, you can bet your booties the law will have a necropsy done. Then the guy maybe in deep dodo if any lead is found in the body.

Why?

Finding lead in the body would be consistent with the cow being "dispatched outside city limits". They'd need to determine WHERE the gun was used, not IF one was used. Otherwise it's just the word of an anti-gun neighbor against his. Although... it almost seems as if the word of an anti- is all that's required for "proof" anymore! :(

[Joe King]

Why?

Finding lead in the body would be consistent with the cow being "dispatched outside city limits". They'd need to determine WHERE the gun was used, not IF one was used. Otherwise it's just the word of an anti-gun neighbor against his. Although... it almost seems as if that's all that's required for "proof" anymore! :(
If he'd only just started the butchering, then he should have on-hand the means with which to have moved the carcass.
If those tools to do so weren't on site, I'd say the case is strong that the cow walked to the spot it was slaughtered.

Not to mention there should be a blood trail to follow.

[freespirit]

If he'd only just started the butchering, then he should have on-hand the means with which to have moved the carcass.
If those tools to do so weren't on site, I'd say the case is strong that the cow walked to the spot it was slaughtered.

Not to mention there should be a blood trail to follow.

the means to move the carcass from the trailer to the driveway could be something as simple as a "come-along". that could be done without a great degree of difficulty, but moving it maybe 25-50ft around the side of the house to the back yard would be a different game entirely. as to the blood trail, if it was shot in the head (which is most likely) i doubt there would be much of a "blood trail" to follow.

the question that keeps popping into my head is if he shot it outside of city limits, why didn't he gut, skin and quarter it outside the city limits as well? it sure would have been less of a spectacle in the driveway for the neighbors to flip over...and less mess for him to clean up.

???

[Joe King]

the question that keeps popping into my head is if he shot it outside of city limits, why didn't he gut, skin and quarter it outside the city limits as well?Because the truth of the matter probably is that he killed it in his driveway as supported by the witness who heard mooing and then a gunshot and then no more mooing.

[solid]

Because the truth of the matter probably is that he killed it in his driveway as supported by the witness who heard mooing and then a gunshot and then no more mooing.

What difference does it make though? If you are going to butcher a cow in your driveway, might as well shoot it there too. Can the witness describe the mooing? I would imagine, each cow has a unique moo. If this cow is dead, there's no way they can match the dead cow's moo, to the moo the witness heard. That would not stand up in court.

[freespirit]

it is possible, no question. however they have to be able to prove he shot it in his driveway, and the "witness" didn't "witness" anything, they just "heard" things. did they find the gun? how many neighbors heard the shot?

doesn't seem to be any real concrete evidence to prove he shot it in his driveway. he probably did, but it was only heard, not witnessed...

even if he did shoot it in city limits, isn't that a simple fine? if so, probly still cheaper than what all that meat cost at the grocery store.

[Joe King]

What difference does it make though? If you are going to butcher a cow in your driveway, might as well shoot it there too.It only matters if he discharged the weapon within city limits. Evidence strongly suggests that he did.


Can the witness describe the mooing? I would imagine, each cow has a unique moo. If this cow is dead, there's no way they can match the dead cow's moo, to the moo the witness heard. That would not stand up in court.This is why the article stated that there would be further investigation. ie they're looking for more evidence.

[freespirit]

Evidence strongly suggests that he did.


evidence?? what evidence?? so far its only his word against the neighbors...

[solid]

This is why the article stated that there would be further investigation. ie they're looking for more evidence.

Which means they are trying to find a reason to charge this guy with a crime.

The cow's dead, nobody got hurt...why not just have a big steak barbeque and forget the whole thing?

The moo-hearing witness rat should bring the beer to apologize.

[muffin]

It would seem to me that the whole point of this exercise was to piss off his gun grabbling pussy neighbors. They probably call the po-po on him for all kinds of stuff and he finally had it.

[Twisted Titan]

Stupid farmer. Don't butcher the cow in front of the sheep.

Now THAT bears repeating

[goldleaf]

A few years ago,one night, we were having a bad blowing snowstorm. My cattle got bunched up in a corner of the barnyard
and popped a gate open. Some of them got onto the road and a guy going to work at 2 in the morning hit one of them. ( He
didn't get hurt, but it did $11,000 damage to his new Chevy Colorado.) The cop at the scene got us up and said they dragged
her off to the side of the road but she couldn't get up and that I better put her out of her misery. I went out and shot her and got her pulled up to a spot in the driveway where the snow had blowed off pretty good.

I couldn't get the tractor and loader started so I could hang the cow in the air so I went and got a neighbor. This guy works winters when he's laid off slaughtering and cutting meat and is a real whiz at it. He got dressed and came overand helped me gut and skin out the animal on a plastic tarp we had laid out on the ground. About 7 am the school bus came to pick up the kids. He turns around in our driveway so I got in and told him what happened and that I was keeping the boys home to help with the meat. He expressed sympathy that I had lost a cow and took off. We got the meat all cut up in chunks we could load in the pickup and took it into the shop to grind up for burger. Ended up with about half a freezer full of hamburger. All the neighbor wanted for helping was some meat. I also took him over a 24 pack of Pabst.

Us people in the country take these things for granted sometimes, buy it is interesting reading posts from town people.

[sirgonzo420]

The guy should have said:

"I am cutting up meat for food. I eat what I kill. Cops should be so thoughtful and only kill what they eat."

Those cops would probably just become cannibals.

[Horn]

Isn't there State Health codes against this sort of thing?

Organs floating downstream & into my well can't be good.

[beefsteak]

Only floating organs, Horn?

Reckon pianos, tubas, and big base drums floating downstream and coming to rest on top of your well can't be too good either, right, Horn?