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Large Sarge
10th September 2011, 01:43 AM
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=193872


It's Over


Seriously.

There is persistent chatter about a Greek default over the weekend, which Greece denied, but the denier refused to be named. If it's not true, then put your damned name on the statement or be considered what you are - liars. Greece failed to place their short-term bill rollover. That's a declaration by the market that even for short-term paper the market has utterly lost confidence in Greece and the Euro.

Germany's DAX market relative to the United States just hit a five year low today.

To add to the "liar liar pants on fire" calls Germany is now reported to be working a plan to recapitalize their banks if Greece defaults. This in turn means three things:

A Greek default is considered credible by Germany and they are taking official actions related to that possibility. So much for the denials.


German banks (and presumably French banks and all the other big banks too) are insolvent as they are carrying these bonds at well above their actual value in the marketplace. If the bonds were carried at the claimed "loss" values, which is quoted as 50%, then there would be no need to recapitalize them would there? This is an official statement of proof that the banks are lying about asset values and are in fact insolvent.


Remember that we were just told days ago that these banks were fine and needed no capital and in fact calls for more capital by the IMF were officially refused. The same claim has been made about our banks. You were just told officially by Germany that their claim of adequate capital just days ago was a lie as they are now planning to recapitalize the banks. Do you believe our banks are not similarly exposed and also insolvent? YOU'RE BETTING YOUR FUTURE ON THE BELIEF THAT THEY ARE, SO THIS QUESTION IS QUITE GERMANE AND TIMELY: ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE NOT BEING LIED TO EXACTLY AS WE WERE ABOUT GERMAN BANKS?
Coincident with this hitting the wires there was a massive flow of money into the Japanese Yen - and out of the Euro. A monstrous safety trade - people fleeing the European common currency for what they perceive as a "safe haven." At the same time our markets are down 300 DOW points, the S&P is down 2.5% on the day and more than forty points off the early-morning top -- and there's no sign that things are stabilizing at all.

I said the Euro was going to par, and that might be too conservative. With that our stock market will get cut in half -- or more -- from here and once again the banks, insurance companies and everyone else will start crying poor mouth.

The problem is that this time there's no money to bail them out with in the US and as a result if this outcome manifests they will fail. The embedded losses in those institutions on mortgages alone total trillions, which is several times the available debt ceiling and so far beyond the FDIC's reserves that there is no way to cover you, the average person.

Nobody - and I do mean nobody - in our political establishment from either party gives a damn about the lies and outright fraud in our financial system. Neither political party, including some very specific representatives that have railed about various problems in capital markets, the IMF and similar over the last couple of years will even open their damn mouths, say much less demand structural changes and an end to the frauds.

I have been making attempts to break through that "glass ceiling" now for four years with several representative and senatorial offices. How many speeches have you seen on this topic, or even questions directed at like people such as Bernanke under oath?

I'll answer that for you: ZERO.

The opportunity to fix these problems has been there since 2007 and I have steadfastly put forward plans that will work to resolve these issues, albeit at the cost of there being no more leverage-driven asset-stripping games. I've written over four thousand Tickers since 2007 and a couple of White Papers and distributed them to Congressional offices by postal mail and fax. In addition there are literal hundreds of staffers that access The Ticker on a regular basis along with every three-letter government agency, including the law-enforcement ones.

There can be no claim that "nobody saw this coming" because I assure you that not only did plenty of people see it coming I have repeatedly warned of the "end game" and consequences - loudly.

Nobody from either party will address this or even discuss this and the reason should be obvious - the banks own the politicians. That's fine - they can both hang on the rope of their own construction through their willful and intentional acts of malfeasance and fraud. Absolutely none of this was a mistake.

I believe the alarm has now rung. The market calls all bluffs and that's exactly what it's doing right here, right now, today. The lies have been overwhelmed by the functional facts - that you cannot make payroll or pay the light bill with imaginary money - you need real money, and there isn't any. The time has run out on the fraud pulled in 2009 by Kanjorski with his "mark to fantasy" crap game.

We are doing the same thing right here in the United States with Obama's demands for "more stimulus" with no way to pay for it, games being run by banks suppressing price discovery and hiding losses on mortgages engendered by nine trillion in residential property value loss, the asset-stripping that was performed on the citizens of Jefferson County Alabama and more. Not one damn thing has been done to fix the underlying problems and nobody has gone to jail for these acts.

You cannot solve a debt crisis with more debt any more than you can fix a drunk with a case of whiskey. Yet that is exactly what we've tried to do both in the United States and internationally. The end point of that process here is exactly the same as it is there. You're getting a preview America, and if you think that a 20% sell-off in the stock market is what we get when it happens here, you're wrong. Try a 90% loss on for size followed by the utter failure of every pension fund and insurance company that has sold annuities - including yours.

Our economic system and quite-possibly our government is finished if we allow this to occur.

The claims that "it will all be ok if we just help these people bridge the gap" is now being exposed as an outright and intentional fraud. That fraud has been perpetrated against you, the American taxpayer, by your government and central bank.

Three years into this since the 2008 collapse and not a damn thing has been addressed or fixed. You can see that proof in the employment statistics which, incidentally, are about to get much worse.

YOU have been seduced by the siren song of "Guns, Gays and God" (or "Obama's gonna pay my mortgage!" if you prefer) instead of the truth - a bunch of *******s stole your future sequentially over more than 30 years by levering up on your back, knowing full well they couldn't cover their debts. These intentional acts, which are acts of fraud -- all of them -- occurred in Washington DC and on Wall Street, and they were not limited to the United States. This is a worldwide phenomena.

We're now in the endgame. Greece, if you recall, showed up in early 2010 as a problem. Did our government take this warning and act on it, stop the frauds, prosecute the wrongdoers, close the insolvent banks, and force the recognition of the nine trillion in lost value in residential housing? Did we see bankruptcy occur for those who are in fact bankrupt?

NO.

EVERY ONE OF THE POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE - ALL OF THEM WITHOUT EXCEPTION - HAVE LIED, CHEATED AND STOLE FROM YOU TO PROTECT A GANG THAT HAS REPEATEDLY ABUSED LEVERAGE TO ROB YOU BLIND. NOW THE PONZI SCHEME IS COLLAPSING AS WE ARE OUT OF SUCKERS - GLOBALLY - WITH WHICH TO PERPETUATE IT.

While I write this CNBC runs claims of "we're going to show you how to protect yourself in this market." Oh really? Why didn't you just tell people to get the hell out in 2007 as I advised and sit back with a bunch of popcorn? You'd still have all your damn money and none of the heartburn. NOW, after the market is down nearly 20% off the recent highs, you want to talk about "protection"? NOW?

You have one final opportunity to choose America: Watch Dancing With the Stars or demand and enforce your demand that this crap stop right now.

Just be aware - if you choose "Dancing With The Stars" that it won't be long before you have no job, no money and perhaps no electricity with which to power your TV and no "free stuff" coming from a bankrupt government either. Yes, it can happen here, and if you think not you're dumber than a box-of-rocks and deserve exactly what is coming.

Choose now, choose here and choose wisely.

Neuro
10th September 2011, 07:51 AM
I think we get the news of a Greek default on a Friday afternoon, just after market closing. That seems to be the standard approach to feed us bad news!

Large Sarge
10th September 2011, 08:11 AM
greek default could be an "economic 9/11"

controlled demolition, perhaps enough to destroy the Euro currency...

Neuro
10th September 2011, 08:32 AM
greek default could be an "economic 9/11"

controlled demolition, perhaps enough to destroy the Euro currency...
Well yes, I guess if the purpose of the announcement is to create maximum damage to the markets, the announcement would be made just prior to the opening of the markets on Sunday!

mick silver
10th September 2011, 08:42 AM
Fasten Your Seatbelts

platinumdude
10th September 2011, 08:50 AM
Short term I think it will help the dollar.

USD 77.22 +0.95

Neuro
10th September 2011, 08:52 AM
Greece Must Keep Cutting Its Budget or ‘Probably’ Exit Euro, Flaherty Says
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By Theophilos Argitis - Sep 9, 2011 8:40 PM GMT+0300

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Jim Flaherty, Canada's minister of finance. Photographer: Patrick Doyle/Bloomberg
Greece may have to leave the euro if it fails to press ahead with its budget-cutting plans, Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said.
“It’s necessary for the Greek government to stay the course,” Flaherty told reporters in Marseille, France, where he is attending a meeting of Group of Seven officials. “The alternative is probably that they leave the euro. I expect the Greek government would want to continue their fiscal consolidation.”
G-7 central bankers and finance ministers convene today for their first face-to-face talks since they promised “coordinated action” on Aug. 8 to calm financial markets. Flaherty said investors remain to be convinced that governments can tackle their balance sheets, and that there seems to be some hesitancy among leaders to press ahead with commitments to reduce deficits.
“This comes down to political choices that have political consequences, choices that affect their opportunities for re- election,” he said. “There aren’t easy, comfortable answers here and I certainly worry if any of my colleagues are starting to think that we can have a comfortable answer by delaying fiscal consolidation.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-09/germany-said-to-prepare-plan-to-aid-country-s-banks-should-greece-default.html

Ponce
10th September 2011, 09:15 AM
I don't know a danm thing about finances but I do know this much....I would never put all my eggs in one basket, or even in two or tree........

First post of the day.............good morning to one and all.

StreetsOfGold
10th September 2011, 09:54 AM
I would never put all my eggs in one basket

Unless God is holding the basket

Ares
10th September 2011, 11:04 AM
Relax guys, the G-7 is getting together this weekend. It'll all get worked you'll see. :sarcasm:

Neuro
11th September 2011, 01:34 AM
Prime Minister George Papandreou said he’ll fight to avoid a default and keep Greece in the euro, as resistance builds to extending more aid to the European Union’s most-indebted nation.
The government’s top priority is “to save the country from bankruptcy,” Papandreou said in a speech in the northern Greek city of Thessaloniki last night. “We have taken the decision to fight to avoid a catastrophe for our country and its citizens: bankruptcy. We will remain in the euro. And this meant and means difficult decisions.”
The speech was greeted with protests and police battled demonstrators with tear gas in Thessaloniki as Greeks marched against the austerity measures that have cut incomes and driven unemployment to a record. Police in Athens also used tear gas to disperse protesters near the Parliament building.
Papandreou's speech came after the euro slumped to a six- month low and the yield on Greek two-year notes surged to a record 57 percent on concern the country is sliding closer to default. Divisions among EU leaders threaten to scupper a second Greek bailout plan approved in July, and German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble yesterday reiterated a threat to withhold the next payment from the original rescue unless Greece shows it can meet the fiscal targets agreed with the EU.
Meeting Targets
“If this year the recession is markedly greater than the estimates of international organisations on which the medium- term fiscal plan was based, despite that, Greece will make its fiscal targets, doing all that’s needed in this direction,” Papandreou said.
A total of 4,500 police officers were deployed in Thessaloniki as 15,000 people protested, including students marching against education reforms and taxi drivers opposed to new licensing rules. Police detained 94 and arrested two. Guests ran the gauntlet of protesters to reach the venue and were pelted with eggs.
The government now expects the economy to shrink 5 percent this year, worse than the June estimate of 3.8 percent from the EU and International Monetary Fund, and a deeper contraction than in the past two years. The forecast damps hopes that Greece will meet its pledge to lower its budget deficit to 7.5 percent of gross domestic product in 2011, with the government blaming the slump for a budget gap that widened 25 percent in the first seven months of the year.
Situation ‘Critical’
Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos, who on Sept. 6 promised to speed austerity measures pledged in return for the emergency loans, said yesterday the situation was “critical” and that the next two months would be “decisive for our existence.”
The government must draft a credible 2012 budget, proceed with state asset sales and complete a voluntary debt swap by the end of October, he said.
Speculation of a Greek default is aimed at the euro and it must be countered if the region is to stop the spread of the debt crisis, Venizelos said yesterday in Thessaloniki. “If the euro zone can’t solve the Greek problem, it will show that it can’t solve its own.”
G-7 Meeting
European leaders came in for criticism for their handling of the region’s debt crisis at a meeting of Group of Seven finance minister in Marseille, France that ended yesterday.
“They’re moving, but I think they’re going to have to demonstrate to the world they have enough political will,” U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said in a Bloomberg Television interview “This is not a question of financial or economic capacity.”
Canadian Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Sept. 9 Greece may have to leave the euro if it fails to press ahead with its budget-cutting plans. The comments echoed remarks by Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte this week that countries breaking the region’s budget rules should face expulsion.
Germany’s Schaeuble reiterated that Greece must fulfil the conditions laid down in its adjustment program to get the next tranche of international aid due this month.
“There can be no doubt” that the two are linked, Schaeuble told reporters in Marseille. “Everybody must stand by the agreements.”
German Banks
Germany is preparing a plan to shore up the nation’s banks in the event that Greece fails to meet the terms of its aid package and misses a payment on its debt, three members of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition said Sept. 9.
Fears have deepened since a scheduled quarterly review of Greece’s progress by the EU and IMF was unexpectedly suspended for 10 days last week. The cost of insuring Greek debt against default jumped 212 basis points Sept. 9 to a record 3,238, according to CMA. The five-year contracts signal there’s a 92 percent probability the country won’t meet its debt commitments.
Greece’s economy shrank 7.3 percent from a year earlier after declining 8.1 percent on an annual basis in the first quarter, the Athens-based Hellenic Statistical Authority said in an e-mailed statement on Sept. 8. The figure, based on constant prices and available non-seasonally adjusted data, is higher than an Aug. 12 preliminary estimate for a 6.9 percent contraction. A seasonally adjusted figure wasn’t provided.
Nine in 10 Greeks are dissatisfied with the way the government has handled the country’s economic crisis, according to a poll by researcher VPRC for Epikaira magazine on Sept. 8. Greek opposition New Democracy party’s lead over the governing Pasok party is widening, while a majority of voters don’t want early elections, according to opinion polls published last week.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-10/papandreou-pledges-to-avoid-default-as-resistance-to-more-aid-intensifies.html

I don't think the default is up for another few weeks. But who knows, it seems like Greece is boiling, and government may not last for that much longer. But it is interesting that the northern Euro countries have started putting strong demands on the PIIGS! Germany refuses to forward new bail out money, unless Greece fullfills the milestones. Holland says that countries that don't comply with budget deficit rules, should be expelled. Finland demands collateral for further bail out funds. Of course these are very common sense principles for lending money. Just a pity that it was considered less important before...

osoab
11th September 2011, 03:33 AM
This is Denninger's second it's over piece in the last week. Running out of titles?

1st one 9-5-11. I believe this is where he made his "TickerCon" at level 1.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=193560

The one above
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=193872

Now read this piece by Denninger from yesterday and try not to puke.

Rethinking 9/11 Ten Years On (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=193918)

Spectrism
11th September 2011, 07:41 AM
Yeup. In a universal game with no rules, the game is never over until the most powerful hand says its over.

We have to keep reminding ourselves that there are no rules of the powers pulling the levers.
The rules are only to control us.

steyr_m
15th September 2011, 08:20 PM
This is why threads like this don't get me too worried. When it happens, it happens. Who would have thought gold would plunge like it did this week? After 4-5 serious scares back on GIM1, it doesn't phase me anymore....

MAGNES
15th September 2011, 09:40 PM
Now read this piece by Denninger from yesterday and try not to puke.

Rethinking 9/11 Ten Years On (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=193918)

I read it, it didn't bother me that much, he goes along on 9/11,
he won't fight them on that, how many messages and fights can
a man make without detracting from a mission if he has one,
overselling the muslims raised my eyebrows, so he wants to save
people from criminals, wants to sell a book, lol .

What did disturb me greatly is his banning of people for telling the truth,
he should just leave them alone, if he doesn't want to fight on 9/11 fine,
why silence people on his site, he is no better than the police state criminals
he is supposedly exposing. He is one of them, their agent. And posters were
expecting the ban. He's a little control freak and charlatan.
I don't read the little rat.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2704476

Jono (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?user=jono)
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Banned

Lets see,

Men in robes and sandals living in caves hijacked three aircraft and flew them into the World Trade Center and left their plans in their cars where FBI/CIA types find them!

Yeah that's what happened oh yeah and building seven collapsed by it self.

Thanks for believing the mainstream media bull****!

Welcome to the POICE STATE!

Big Sis has rubber gloves on up to the elbow, now bend over like a patriotic citizen and cough.
2011-09-10 18:50:26


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Large Sarge
16th September 2011, 02:48 AM
I seem to remember DBS took him on awhile back

said some not so nice things about him...

that 9/11 article pretty much confirms what the DBS was saying.

DMac
16th September 2011, 06:22 AM
re: Denninger & 911

It is really sad how some folks just cannot accept that their criminal government(s) just might not care about them to the point they would kill you to further their own twisted agenda(s).

Cognitive Dissonance, avoidance, denial & rationalization. There are even people on this board suffering from this and they don't want to admit it.

osoab
16th September 2011, 07:04 AM
It is really sad how some folks just cannot accept that their criminal government(s) just might not care about them to the point they would kill you to further their own twisted agenda(s).

Cognitive Dissonance, avoidance, denial & rationalization. There are even people on this board suffering from this and they don't want to admit it.

What I find most confusing is that Denninger understands the corruption that is rampant with in .gov. He even calls it out.

But to question 911 or believe that PMs are a conduit to keep wealth is a no go in his mind.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Large Sarge
16th September 2011, 07:08 AM
What I find most confusing is that Denninger understands the corruption that is rampant with in .gov. He even calls it out.

But to question 911 or believe that PMs are a conduit to keep wealth is a no go in his mind.

Doesn't make sense to me.



brilliantly stupid or on the payroll....

take your pick

mick silver
16th September 2011, 07:09 AM
payroll....

Neuro
16th September 2011, 08:15 AM
I am leaning towards Karl Denninger being brilliantly stupid. No doubt he has a great knowledge, but frequently he seems to be unable to connect the dots and overcome his own bias, apart from being a pompous ass...

Spectrism
16th September 2011, 08:36 AM
I am leaning towards Karl Denninger being brilliantly stupid. No doubt he has a great knowledge, but frequently he seems to be unable to connect the dots and overcome his own bias, apart from being a pompous ass...

My impression too.