Latest on Elenin Partial Recovery of Deleted thread that was the best of the web

[keehah]

This is serious crap.

Whoever deleted our recent Elenin thread committed an evil act of occultion preventing awareness of forum excellence, occultion of the heavens, and the progress of science, and humanity!

I noticed last week a circle jerk of activity in the establishment media and its blogs that "doom and gloom sites" and the like are full of scare mongering lies about Elenin.

Anyway the politics around that can be a thread in itself, but to sum up the only scare mongering aka Planet X talk was from the UFO type sites that do this with near everything. And while the straw man they choose to promote is incorrect, then the science they would offer was full of mistakes and of much lower quality than the information on advanced comet theory and charts we had in this thread.

As well we also had significant discussion questioning the establishment toss-off (based on outdated theory of comets) that the comet had disintigrated. And pretty much all posters in thread were long past talk of the strawman doom so there was none of that in this thread (as in most earlier threads).

I've spend much time researching, and our thread was the best on the free web, MSM or alternative, at a time when the establishment media was spinning a talking point to discretade such threads.

Gold-Silver's time to shine!!!!!

And the thread was deleted! >:(

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?53306-Latest-on-ELENIN/


The cache is dated September 6.
No google cache offered for first and last pages.
One suspect for this crime against the forum would be the thread starter.

[keehah]

Page 2 August 20th, 2011

Twisted Titan
Meh..............

Nothing much is going to happen.

The Elite would have imposed martial law and would have been sitting pretty underground waiting for the big die off if that was the case.

Sit tight and keep stacking vittles and ammo

vacuum

Originally Posted by Twisted Titan
Meh..............
The Elite would have imposed martial law
I don't know...think about it. If the status quo isn't shaken and people are still going to work and all, any talk of a comet is all crazy talk. If however their world is shaken by something like martial law, then the population could wake up to something like this and disrupt well-laid plans. If most people will in fact die, then there really may not be need for martial law.

But I agree with you, stay the course is the best one can do.


Bigjon
http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/

Comet Elenin IS NOT A THREAT to earth ... my name and work regarding the electrical nature of comets and the solar system are being hijacked by a government backed misinformation crew making all kinds of wild claims about Comet Elenin ... these postings are on web pages and blogs and many professionally made youtube videos disguised as coming from "average people" like you and me ... many times claiming to have resources to un-named "professional astronomers" who "verify" their baloney stories ... some claim that they talk to aliens who "confirm McCanney's work" along with completely distorted ramblings ... some claim Comet Elenin will cause all sorts of disaster with time lines and dates with some claiming you should move to certain "safe sites" on a given timeline ... these sites and people we have found are all coming from the same place ... let me make it perfectly clear that Comet Elenin is a small comet that will likely not be even seen by most people since it is so small and far away ... someone (group) is spending a lot of time and money to make a major issue out of a complete non-issue ... the curious issue is why all the misinformation and other "date" correlations being propagated on the internet and now on the major media ... it is clear that an extensive group of people are behind this and they are getting major press and air time ... then in clear disinformation style the NASA owned press has the "white hats" (the NASA "good-guys") riding in to save the day telling you not to listen to all those quacks on the internet (pointing directly to these many sites which distort my name and work which as i said is being completely mis-represented by the same disinformation crew in what we have come to learn over the years is a well orchestrated dog and pony show ... with the same disinformation crew controlling both sides of the "debate") ... others are associating this false reporting with possible NASA and leadership (NWO and other) groups to create false alien invasion scenarios (emphasis on FALSE) to create fear with the public ... i have NOTHING to do with any of these reports and let me repeat and make it perfectly clear ... my work regarding cometary alignments and the electrical nature of the solar system shows that Comet Elenin IS NOT ANY KIND OF THREAT TO EARTH ... emphasis on NOT ... the false reporting regarding Comet Elenin and many related topics will most likely continue into the fall of 2011 as a movie 2012 is due to come out November 13th this coming fall making all kinds of wild and unscientific (but scientific sounding) claims of doom and ultimate earth destruction ... this oddly enough coincides with the take over of public communications that will soon be finalized with Obama making national emergency announcements on the newly centralized Homeland Security FEMA emergency broadcast network that will basically take over ALL media ... 1984 is alive and well in the USA ... so i will leave this posting up stating once again that i have nothing to do with the false FEAR reporting that is propagating on all fronts ... this also opens the opportunity for every nut case and imposter on the internet to jump in and further cloud the real issues from the public ... many of whom are just beginning to wake up from a deep mental slumber (the clueless ones) ... every week i host a commercial free radio show that deals with REAL issues of science and also educates the public on how to recognize and understand the politics of science so you can then begin to understand the real nature of science and why there is such an effort to keep the public confused with phony BAD SCIENCE AND ASTRONOMY that comes from what i call "tier 2" NASA science as well as the barrage of internet imposters (many of whom receive support from government sources to distort the real efforts of the few sane voices that exist in the world today) ... an extreme effort has been made by the "controllers" to dumb down the public everywhere from public school education to the mass media ... you will begin to understand and read between the lines as you listen to my shows which air live every thursday evening with ALL PAST SHOWs available on the "weekly radio show archive sub-page" (scroll down for details) ... i also provide information on how to prepare to live on what i call "many levels" ... continue with your regular daily lives but also be prepared on a basic level to take care of you and your family ... my secure web ordering page gives you everything you need (without all the bells and whistles) to prepare for what i call a "basic living scenario" ... i do not call it "survival" as this implies many bad connotations ... i call it "common sense and being prepared" ... preparedness is the same whether it is for natural disasters such as floods or fires or tornados or earth quakes or for man made events or whatever the disaster may be ... you will need clean water and basic food and good information ... it may be for a day 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cortez
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpre...rth-aug-22-24/

August 21, 2011 – DOUBLE CORONAL HOLE: A double-barreled hole has opened up in the sun’s atmosphere and it is spewing a split-stream of solar wind toward Earth. NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory captured this composite UV image of the double coronal hole on August 20th. Sky watchers should be alert for auroras when the solar wind arrives on August 22-24. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% to 50% chance of high-latitude geomagnetic activity. –Space Weather

Bigjon

Originally Posted by cortez
http://theextinctionprotocol.wordpre...rth-aug-22-24/

August 21, 2011 – DOUBLE CORONAL HOLE: A double-barreled hole has opened up in the sun’s atmosphere and it is spewing a split-stream of solar wind toward Earth. NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory captured this composite UV image of the double coronal hole on August 20th. Sky watchers should be alert for auroras when the solar wind arrives on August 22-24. NOAA forecasters estimate a 35% to 50% chance of high-latitude geomagnetic activity. –Space Weather
Well to quote Mr. McCanney again, he says we are being set up for a takedown of our entire US grid system, all to be blamed on solar flaring. He had this posted on his website, it is not still there. He said he was just speculating and he was "out on a limb" with this prediction.

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/JamesMcCanneyScienceHour_August_11_2011.mp3
At 26 minute mark.

But it would be a great way to create chaos in order to impose martial law via Homeland (in)Security.


Cortez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuQFVv6x7LE

Keehah
I agree with Mccanney, the recent NASA press release was a joke. It was to 'debunk' comet talk, but ignored the real questions they should answer, such as could it trigger a CME our way, and what could happen when we pass through the tail as the comet will pass directly through earth's orbit path were ignored over a handful of ignorant questions at the kindergarden level of 'all gravity' space awareness.

That said, I'm not expecting anything one would notice, unless your looking for it and happen to be at the right part of earth at the right time.

Page 3 August 21


Serpo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR1ypwOHLG0


EE
When this event happens I predict panic sex taking place everywhere.
Plan accordingly.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm61/nascartrekkie3/humping.gif
[Off topic comments on things other than panic sex may not have been copied over. -k ;) ]

Nomoss
There was/is a post on www.rense.com. about 19 or so breaks down that is called
(Elein doomsday quake prediction fails to show) that was fun to see.
Can't post links from this phone so if you can post the link thanks.

DMac
I vote non-event.

Comets are vile stars. Every time they appear in the south, they wipe out the old and establish the new. Fish grow sick, crops fail, Emperors and common people die, and men go to war. The people hate life and don't even want to speak of it. -Li Ch'un Feng, Director, Chinese Imperial Astronomical Bureau, 648, A.D. [SOTT (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/228189-New-Light-on-the-Black-Death-The-Viral-and-Cosmic-Connection)]

The Thunderbolts article covers about as much as one can casually know about the odds of it 'acting up', as opposed to a safe bet nothing can happen or denying anything can happen.

And the sun seems to be in a mood to spit out large flares these days.

The Electric Comet: The Elephant in NASA's Living Room? (http://thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/archives/goodspeed08/110629_NASAs_elephant.htm)
by Michael Goodspeed June 29, 2011 Thunderbolts.info

For thousands of years, the appearance of a comet in the terrestrial skies has provoked deep anxiety and even collective hysteria in humans the world over. The reasons for this response are not entirely clear. Working with historical testimony, David Talbott and his colleagues have concluded that comet fears originated in a global experience of catastrophe and terror. Behind all of the regional traditions and stories is the memory of the "Great Comet," the mother of all comets. The memory traces to the origins of world mythology, according to Talbott, and is particularly vivid in the story of a cosmic serpent or dragon threatening to destroy the world. The most common ancient ideas attached to a comet were the death of kings, the fall of kingdoms, cosmic upheaval, and the end of the world.

It should be noted here that the leading proponent of the electric universe, Wal Thornhill, has refrained from predicting specific behaviors of Elenin due to the number of unknowns. These unknowns include the Sun's activity, and the constituent material of the comet itself.

The electric comet theory sees comets as leftovers of relatively recent catastrophic events in the solar system. Comets have elliptical orbits for good reason, and the most dramatic comet displays will typically involve highly elliptical orbits. During its time in the outer reaches of the solar system, the comet will acquire a negative charge with respect to the Sun. Then, as it approaches the inner limits of its orbit, accelerating through the electric field of the Sun, it will begin to discharge to the plasma surrounding it, producing the familiar bright coma and tail. Comet jets are electric discharges to the nucleus - the jets electrically machine the comet surface in a process similar to the industrial process known as spark discharge machining.

The electric view of comets can explain most if not all of the so-called mysteries that have long plagued cometologists, including: unexpectedly high temperatures and X-ray emissions from cometary comas (something never anticipated by mainstream theorists); the sharply carved relief of comets -- the exact opposite of what astronomers expected under the dirty snowball model; comets breaking apart or exploding considerable distances from the sun; explosive cometary jets that occur too far from the sun to be plausibly explained as eruptions of subsurface gas and water from solar heating; ejection of larger particles and even "gravel," something never imagined under the standard comet model (which supposes that nuclei accrete from primordial clouds of ice, gas, and dust); a short supply or complete absence of water and other volatiles on comets' nuclei; and the unexplained ability of a relatively minuscule comet nucleus to hold in place a highly spherical coma, up to millions of miles in diameter, against the force of the solar wind (a phenomenon graphically displayed by Comet Holmes).

When asked to interpret Holmes' "flare-up," Wal Thornhill suggested in a private email:
Outbursts from comets at great distances from the Sun seem to be correlated with a sudden change in the solar 'wind' plasma environment due to a solar storm. The point about sudden comet outbursts is that we are dealing with a sudden, discontinuous process of plasma discharge - a switch from dark current mode to normal glow mode. It is a complex surface phenomenon that cannot be predicted. The best we can do is to say that the passage of a sudden change in the solar wind is the most likely time to see a flareup.
And in fact, the sun had been electrically active in the days before Holmes' so-called "explosion". Investigator Michael Mozina noticed that there was a large spike in the density of the solar wind on October 22 at 19:45, two days prior to the flare-up. This could have switched the comet into what Thornhill describes as normal glow mode, allowing the plasma coma to become visible.
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Even SOTT is expecting nothing to happen. From this comet.

Cosmic Propaganda Alert! Comet Elenin: Just Passing By - With SOTT Commentary (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229777-Cosmic-Propaganda-Alert-Comet-Elenin-Just-Passing-By-With-SOTT-Commentary)
Jason Major Universe Today Thu, 09 Jun 2011


Cortez
Honda-Levy passing by now, Earthquakes in Colorado and D.C. same day warm up for ELENIN CME

Page 4 August 27


Keehah
Edit: deleted possible comet sighting after sunset in Auckland (seems to have been a meteorite or contrail).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlM1nPzCdNs
http://jimmyprophet.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/elenin-good-orbit-map1.jpg

Spectrism
Looks like late October will be the best time for viewing the comet in the northern hemisphere. I believe its departure from the sun will be above our plane of revolution whereas the approach has been from the south.

Horn

Spectrism
Looks like late October will be the best time for viewing the comet in the northern hemisphere.
Needs a plasma bump from a solar flare.


JJ.G0ldD0t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZM4Nw35R1M

Serpo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oioVNsVfYjI
[The last video is very good video for lots of background on advanced theory comet science.
'here are the 3/4 things that could happen' starts at 14:00, but the whole video is worth watching.
Made before the late August dimming was known I think. -keehah]

[keehah]

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JJ.G0ldD0t ahh- missed that link keehah

This one is interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI0rvW5Pyy4&feature=player_embedded

Silver Rocket Bitches! Rumors that this comet could be the Blue Kachina prophecized by the Hopi indians which is the predecessor to the Red Kachina which will cause the cleansing of the Earth.

Prophecy, I know but interesting nonetheless.

http://strictlyhonest.com/comet-elen...-star-kachina/

Keehah's Prediction: That was it. The show is over.
(other than a small meteor shower in fall)

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/sc.htm
http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/eleninlightcurve.gif
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Elenin-disrupition.gif
http://www.universetoday.com/88494/c...isintigrating/

Animation of 5 images taken Aug 19,22,23,27,29 ...Astronomers monitoring Comet Elenin have noticed the comet has decreased in brightness the past week, and the coma is now elongating and diffusing. Credit: Michael Mattiazzo.

On August 19, a massive solar flare and coronal mass ejection hit the comet, which may have been the beginning of the end for the much ballyhooed lump...

“We’ve been following it in the STEREO spacecraft images and a number of amateurs have been following it in their telescopes,” said Australian amateur astronomer Ian Musgrave, author of the Astroblog website. “Shortly after the coronal mass ejection the comet flared up and you could see some beautiful details in the tail, with the tail was twisting about in the solar wind. But shortly after that Earth- bound amateurs reported a huge decrease in the intensity of the comet.
Perhaps the CME also electrically blasted the comet apart, but I have yet to see evidence of this.

Comet Elenin is unique in its orbital interaction exposing the earth to it and the sun. But it is not a large one.

But for most comets the last century the entire show has basically been the coma brightening for days or months. Then it drops and the comet just fades away.

I would not be at all surprised if this ends up being the end of the show for Elenin. It normally is.
It may have electrically stabilized with the local environment.

Perhaps a solar flare will knock off the rest of the tail in the next month that may come our way. But it seems to have already happened and drained away that charged plasma before any such event would cause it to come our way in the next few weeks.

In other words we did't dodge a bullet, but that the sun fired too soon.
Elenin it seems was only loaded with one cartridge, it only had the power of a BB, and the sun dischared it when it was aimed 90 degrees away from earth.

If the comet was larger or had more capacitance, it would have quickly recovered its brightness after the solar flare and continued to brighten as it traveled towards the sun, and be recharged to take another shot (eject another tail) better aimed at earth.


sirgonzo420 so what's the story?

Doom or no doom?


(cue Howie Mandel) lol


Keehah
http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/368/cache/new-comet-2011-l4-spotted-pan-starrs_36898_200x150.jpg
National Geographic, June 22, 2011: New Comet Found; May Be Visible From Earth in 2013 (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/06/110622-new-comet-found-2013-visible-space-science/)
Icy body may even be bright enough to be seen in the day, expert says.

By March 2013 the comet, named C/2011 L4 (PANSTARRS), is expected to come within 30 million miles (48 million kilometers) of the sun—closer even than the innermost planet, Mercury...

"The current path of the comet ...showing it coming up from the south—underneath the Earth—going up the back side of the sun and into the north sky, very nearly perpendicular to the plane of the solar system," Wainscoat said.

The fact that it's going around the back of the sun from our point of view may ultimately affect the comet's visibility, but a lot will depend on how close the body actually gets to the sun.

Also, whether the comet is north or south of the sun when it reaches peak brightness will determine which hemisphere on Earth gets the better view.

For now, "we think it will be an easy binocular target, but it may very well make it to naked-eye level, and there is even a potential that it may be visible during the day," Wainscoat said.

"But it's just really too early to tell. We may not know for sure until only a few weeks before it gets here."


platinumdude http://www.spaceweather.com/

SO MUCH FOR DOOMSDAY: Comet Elenin (C/2010 X1), widely known for inaccurate reports of its threat to Earth, appears to be breaking apart. Observations by amateur astronomer Michael Mattiazzo of Castlemaine, Australia show a rapid dimming and elongation of the comet's nucleus akin to that of Comet LINEAR (C/1999 S4), which also disintegrated when it approached the sun in 2000. Comets are fragile objects, so this development while unexpected comes as no surprise. Readers with pertinent images of Elenin are invited to submit them here.


Here is another article on the disintegration:

http://www.examiner.com/space-news-in-national/doomsday-comet-elenin-may-be-disintegrating

Keehah
Originally Posted by platinumdude
Here is another article on the disintegration:
What disintegration? Why is this claim made?
The link mentions "nucleus in the process of disintegrating" but all I see in the images is the coma fading. In no way are those pictures clear enough to show a 2km rock breaking apart inside that Jupiter sized plasma coma.


JoeKing The coma is also elongating. Which indicates that the comet may very well not be in one chunk anymore.
ie smaller pieces spread out over a larger distance should make it appear dimmer and to look more elongated.
Being as close to Perihelion as it is, it should be getting brighter and more well defined, but it's not.

http://members.westnet.com.au/mmatti/Images/Elenin%20disrupition.gif


Besides, if it breaks up is that a problem? Those pieces are still many millions of miles away and they will have no effect on the Earth. Same as if it were in one piece.


Keehah Let us just say the coma is elongating then. The rest is just speculation bias towards incorrect theoretical understanding of the situation. Disinformation.

If it did break up, then this could increase the strength of any meteor storm in early November as we cross the comet's path. I would expect any nucleus disintigration should follow observations of energetic electromagnetic jetting. Observations suggest CME discharge (coma got smaller) and more distorted coma due to higher solar wind as the comet gets nearest to the sun. I have yet to see any pictures showing anything other than the smaller coma after being hit by the CME.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060119comets.htm

“Splitting and jetting may be connected … At the moment Comet West split, the individual fragments brightened noticeably, and propelled large quantities of dust into space in the first of some dozen bursts”. The same could be said for the more recent Comet Linear breakup.

Why would intense, high-velocity jets and explosions of dust, traveling at supersonic speeds, precede the fragmentation of a comet nucleus? In the electrical model of comets, the answer is obvious. The behavior of comets will never be understood in simple mechanical terms because they are electrified bodies orbiting within the plasma environment of an electrified Sun. The solar plasma behaves like a very good conductor in the Sun's electrical connection with the galaxy. And just like any good conductor, the electric field within the plasma is very low. But unlike good metal conductors, the solar plasma is of extremely low density and therefore its current-carrying ability is limited.

Comets must adjust to the changing plasma potential as they move radially toward or away from the Sun. This adjustment is not so difficult on the long, slow journey through the outer reaches of the solar system. But it usually involves visible electric discharge effects as the comet dashes through the inner solar system.

The comet nucleus behaves like a capacitor. And as any electrical engineer knows, if a discharge occurs within a capacitor it will explode violently. That is what causes comet nuclei to fragment and it is why the event is commonly preceded by outbursts far more energetic than could be explained by sublimating ices. The energy is provided by the stored electrical energy within the nucleus.

All that is required to trigger the comet fragmentation is an electrical breakdown within the comet. In this sense, it may be analogous to the electrical breakdown evident in an earthquake. And that breakdown in the comet may happen with any sudden change in the solar plasma environment. The more sudden the change in the comet's electrical environment, the more likely that flaring and fragmentation will occur.



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JoeKing

Originally Posted by keehah
Let us just say the coma is elongating then. The rest is just speculation bias towards incorrect theoretical understanding of the situation. Disinformation.
So how would you explain its dimming and elongating at the one time in its orbit that it should be brightening and becoming more well-defined?

Again, is there a problem if it breaks up? You come across as not liking the idea that it might be breaking up.

Keehah - I thought I answered the issue if it breaks up quite clearly in my post above no? And post #43 tells what caused the dimming.

Are you a bot just programmed to ask questions?

Quit being so emotional Joe, it is not that I don't like the idea of nucleus disintigration (in fact I quoted a good explanation for such events), its that we have seen no evidence (nothing pasted or linked in this thread anyway) of the nucleus disintigrating in this comet.

All we have are statement and image of a enlongated plasma coma (coma tails more) as the comet nears closest approach to the sun as would be expected without significant disintigration of the nucleus.

http://www.oarval.org/section3_15.htm

The supposed nucleus of the comet is the bright centre of the coma.
The coma and the tails develop markedly as the comet gets closer to the Sun, with tail lengths sometimes growing as long as 100 million kilometres.

[vacuum]

Looks like it might be a database problem. Here's all the threads started by EE_ (who started the Elenin thread)

http://gold-silver.us/forum/search.php?searchid=166819&pp=

You can see that after July there is a huge gap.

[keehah]

More main stream talking point fail:
Has Elenin made everyone on ATS Mad?!?!, page 1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread746856/pg1

reply to post by HelloJCneedsomehelp


Elenin has broken in 2! Someone asks how do we know? The answer back from the smart people is we don't know because we couldn't really tell you what it was in the first place. But we can make # up just watch us.

Umm we've know that it's a harmless comet for some time now, are you new here?


When you don't know STFU should be the way to go.

umm, no, if you don't know, ask. Just don't sit there and ignore the science and facts because they don't fit your theory.

[Bigjon]

What the hell is going on here,

I looked and I can't find any of my posts dealing with this thread!!!!

[Serpo]

What the hell is going on here,

I looked and I can't find any of my posts dealing with this thread!!!!

They have been hit by the comet..............


http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=4026

[DMac]

Thanks for trying to recreate it Keehah. I still think we will be (relatively) unscathed by Elenin but I am glad the info dug up by GSUS is not deeped 6'ed down the memory hole.

I didn't picture EE as the type to delete his threads.. ???

[vacuum]

bump

[vacuum]

I'd like to at least know what happened to the original and why we're losing threads...

[osoab]

I'd like to at least know what happened to the original and why we're losing threads...

Jackie did it!

[Dogman]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/search.php?searchid=167786

[k-os]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/search.php?searchid=167786

"Sorry, no matches. Try some different terms."

I think EE_ deleted his Elenin thread. Not sure why.

[cortez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e0mlPZyJt8&feature=channel_video_title

[Horn]

I'm sorry, has it grown to Halo proportions?

http://cdn2.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/halo-reach.jpg

[Gaillo]

I think EE_ deleted his Elenin thread. Not sure why.

That's correct... when I checked into the thread, it showed that EE_ (the thread originator) had deleted it.

[madfranks]

I don't know what the official protocol is regarding these kinds of situations, but I agree that the thread in question was valuable so I restored it. No hard feelings, EE_.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?53306-Latest-on-ELENIN