Gordon Duff "Israel and the upcoming nuclear war"

[Large Sarge]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/11/israel-and-the-upcoming-nuclear-war/

[Canadian-guerilla]

If Israel’s extremist government continues its fear mongering, helped along by AIPAC and the ADL in the United States, Israel will not survive. Israel will not die alone, not by a long shot. The problem is that there is no political leader in Israel or within the Zionist community in the United States that seems to care.

The dreams of world domination, as some of us have always seen, never left room for the survival of Israel or any other nation.


something positive to look forward to when TSHTF

something to watch would be the christian zionists reaction in north america

[Awoke]

They would automatically assume it was the scary mooslims!

[Ponce]

Something new to take the place of the "holocaust" and continue their old game........oi vey, oi vey, why me?, give money.

[gunDriller]

Something new to take the place of the "holocaust" and continue their old game........oi vey, oi vey, why me?, give money.

check out this book - the Jews were collecting money for the Holocaust before World War 2.

the odd thing is how i found out - Amazon told me ! they said, "we thought you might like this book" -

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1591480035/ref=pe_113430_21105240_pd_re_dt_dt6

"The First Holocaust: Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During and After World War I, Second Edition"

if the first Holohoax doesn't succeed, try & try again ?

DOUBLE Oy Vey !!


"Product Description
Six million Jews in Poland and Russia threatened with imminent holocaust: this allegation was appearing in such sources as "The New York Times" -- but the year was 1919! Don Heddesheimer's compact but substantive "First Holocaust" documents post-WWI propaganda that claimed East European Jewry was on the brink of annihilation, regularly invoking the talismanic six million figure. It gives details how that propaganda was used to agitate for minority rights for Jews in Poland, and for Zionism and Bolshevism in Poland and Russia; and demonstrates how Jewish fundraising operations in America raised vast sums in the name of feeding Polish and Russian Jews, then funneled much of the money to Zionist and Communist "constructive undertakings" -- including banks, unions, and kibbutzes -- rather than to starving Jews. "The First Holocaust," which includes eye-opening testimony from American diplomats and military attachés stationed in Poland and Russia that contradicted Jewish persecution claims, is a valuable study of American Jewish institutional operations at a fateful juncture in Jewish and European history, an incisive examination of a cunningly contrived campaign of atrocity and extermination propaganda, two decades before the alleged WWII Holocaust."

[MAGNES]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/11/israel-and-the-upcoming-nuclear-war/

WTF is up with VT, Jim Fetzer is writing for them now, what a joke,
that guy is a clown and he single handedly hurt the 9/11 movement,
CNN would have him on early and he made everyone look like loons,
he is also attacking openly http://www.ae911truth.org/ on VT as
well, WTF ? He is reinventing himself and attacking key people
that matter. He is a paid shill absolutely no doubt, he was early
to build credibility personally then later as a " spokesperson " hurt
the movement, total stand shill MO. Now he just talks shit and goes
after AE.

I posted comments on there about his history and they removed them.

They are getting heat cause of him, why ignore it ?
People in the 9/11 truth movement know his history.

Gordon Duff needs to wake up, maybe he was paid to take the shill.

[Ponce]

Thanks Gun, I already sent for it..........$1.99 for a used soft cover plus $3.99 for shipping..........

[Bigjon]

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/audio/fester/heretics-hour-spotlight-duff-s-disinfo

[Serpo]

Ceyda Sabah'tan Karaaslan, according to the Turkish Navy in the Mediterranean began preparations for the task to make the Southern Sea Area Command. To be applied against Israel, "freedom of navigation in the Eastern Mediterranean" under the sanction of 3 Turkish frigate is scheduled to be staffed.

3 frigates, aid to Gaza will take you to assure the protection of civilian ships. Freedom of navigation of vessels will be patrolling the Eastern Mediterranean, will take place in the form of similar policy against Greece in the Aegean airspace. Israel, any vessel outside the territorial waters 12 miles from the end of intervention will be introduced if the Turkish navy.

Turkish ships, adopted by Turkey in international waters 12 miles from the Israeli navy on a ship from outside the region, rather than facing up to 100 meters away from the event will advance to gelinmesi. Lock down against the ship's weapons systems. Thus, war planes in the Aegean airspace dalaşlarının it will take place from a similar ship in the eastern Mediterranean. The Aegean, 'it dalaşının' behind the borders of the airspace of the two countries and the different interpretation of the FIR line lies. Greece, 10 miles of airspace over the territorial waters of the islands which purports to be 6 miles. Should be the same width as the airspace over the territorial waters of Turkey with Greece's "line of sovereignty" in international airspace area is considered to be advocates.

NUMBER AND TECHNOLOGY

Prime Minister Erdogan will go to Gaza, the Turkish Navy's ships, which are accompanied with a possible explanation in the help, attention has translated into the inventory of the Navy Command. 4 different class frigate with 17 and 14 submarine, the Navy's Command, 6 Corvettes. Naval vessels and personnel in Turkey, Israel, superior. 13 in the Israeli torpedo boat, 3 submarines, 2 and 3 anti-submarine support ship, the weather there. But Israel's weapon systems are equipped with latest technology. Ships equipped with guided bullets hit an target 120 miles away.

FOREIGN PRESS: ISRAEL ONLY

La Repubblica: the Israeli government after the more recent developments in the region were left alone. Mavi Marmara, Turkey did not apologize for the attack, a mixed situation in Syria and Egypt, where tensions with Israel protesters in Cairo last Egyptian Büyükelçiğine increasingly isolated in Israel, was added into.

Corriere della Sera: Prime Minister Erdogan, in Egypt, starting from the 'Arab Spring' is a tour. Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, countries such as the governing leaders for many years after the overthrow Erdogan became the first leading to the region.

Haaretz: Israel, Turkey and Egypt, where the cost of the war in the Gaza crisis. Shock waves are coming now, and very big. Every day, contains new dangers. And some of Israel's aggression, and inattention is the product of küstahlığının. The result is this: the only two countries in the region, Israel, Turkey and Egypt who accepted, they burn the Israeli relations. The first is the decision of a government, with the latter through an angry crowd.

Jerusalem Post: Mediterranean "seyrüfeser freedom" that the explanation will be provided in a single frenleyebilecek element Erdogan, to the international pressure. This strategy should begin by demanding a stronger U.S. stance, in particular, Erdogan, the Turkish navy in a way that could trigger the deployment of a real military conflict, to discourage.

Lieberman: We do not want CONFLICT

His remarks on the previous day şimşekleri Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who, yesterday, the Israeli Army radio said that Turkey did not want to live with the conflict. Lieberman, the "white flag sallamayacaklarını", but also that they had to repair its relations with Turkey. Lieberman, against him to punish Turkey is dismissed questions that you will not give support to the PKK terrorist organization.

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[MAGNES]

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/audio/fester/heretics-hour-spotlight-duff-s-disinfo

I listened to some of it, I will listen to all of it.

Deserves it's own thread.

MUST LISTEN TO, how disinfo works, info that matters, how do you educate people.
At 20 minute mark they are right on.

WRH made VT, WRH cherry picks the articles, the ones I read are great.
I am not familiar with all his writings, this is explosive if true. This is how
disinfo works. Build credibility speaking in generalities and attack key people
that put out key information. They are doing this. The first few minutes talk of
the USS Liberty, Duff give Israel a pass, explosive, the first and best account
I ever read about this was from " the secret war against the jews ", do not let
the title fool you, Loftus is more right than ever putting out key information,
I read that book 15 years ago, before I was awake to everything, truer today,
Loftus protects himself by writing from a pro Jewish point of view, but he outs
their crimes at the top totally. I have been attacked for posting that book, but
Gordon Duff admits to far less and is an apologist for Israel here if the reports
are true, and he gets a free pass, bullshit. Jim Fetzer is the turd of the bunch,
his job is to smear the site as a bunch of loons, " jim fetzer writes for VT a conspiracy
website, he believes in space beams and holographs no planes on 9/11 " CNN 2011
A rerun of the past, this already happened.

This is what they do to Bollyn too, everyone avoids him even though it is real criminals and events.
Nobody even tries to attack his research.

You have a case to make in court. Bollyn is the man, not the others writing general articles.

[Large Sarge]

one thing at always worried me was that veterans today has a banner ad "join the CIA today" running along side....

I got into an online debate with Duff one time, (vie e-mail).

I just took the stance that political power corrupts (everyone), and no one should be trusted with it...

so the only solution was to keep govt very small, so the damage is minimal.

He thought govt could do some good things, help the poor, etc...

I am unsure on Duff, have not listened to the recording above yet...

[MAGNES]

one thing at always worried me was that veterans today has a banner ad "join the CIA today" running along side....

I got into an online debate with Duff one time, (vie e-mail).

I just took the stance tha tpolitical power corrupts (everyone), and no one should be trusted with it...

so the only solution was to keep govt very small, so the damage is minimal.

He thought govt could do some good things, help the poor, etc...

I am unsure on Duff, have not listened to the recording above yet...


They removed my posts on Fetzer which were 100 % true.

They don't remove people attacking Jews as satanists.

Think about it.

You still believe in DBS, very similar, you didn't answer my questions before,
why is he still allowed to operate in France, attacking Bollyn ?
Bollyn does not trust them. He says avoid them.

You should be speaking to how disinfo works Sarge.

He has some good stuff on there no doubt, both DBS, VT,
but we should flood the web with Bollyn articles and AE911.

People were attacking Buchanan on here for far less.
Even questioning Ron Paul.

I advise people not to read into relatively small things too much.

You have to always ask, what is the limited hangout if they are controlled opposition ?

VT is aimed at the web, those awake, not the general public, we are the targets, so they
admit to far more than you will ever see anywhere.

Putting Fetzer on there was a blatant move, and only recent.

[Large Sarge]

Magnes,

I follow Duff on some stuff, he claims to have a lot of "good contacts", which may or may not be true...

he is very smart.

but as in all things, we all have to do our own thinking, when we let someone else think for us is when we get into trouble...

if he puts out 90% good info, and 10% garbage, well its my responsibility (if I am interested enough) to weed through it.

his 10% garbage may be accidental on his part, or it might be intentional.... who knows.

but he does put up some decent stuff.

Bollyn is good.

I still like DBS

I like Rense for general info/new stories.

even alex jones can cover some topics decently (like GMO foods for example, or chemtrails, he just will not do zionism/Israel or jews)

so its kind of like shopping, I goto say store x for all my chemtrail stuff, store y for my "what is the criminal state of Israel upto these days"

etc

pick and choose.

I have a lot less respect for alex jones, because he has been confronted on certain topics (zionism/9/11, etc) and he continues to deny reality, and push his own agenda...

some folks are just misinformed, if after repeated attempts to show them the errors of their ways, they continue... well then thats different.

[MAGNES]

if he puts out 90% good info, and 10% garbage, well its my responsibility (if I am interested enough) to weed through it.



If the 90% is just general articles they do nothing.

If the 10% garbage is attacking key people that count whose information
builds a real case then they are disinformation, even controlled and paid.

Nothing else they do matters.

Everyone needs to listen to the 20 minute mark of that video.
I totally believe in that, 100 % accurate.

Sarge , we go way back, you know me better than most on here.
You know I agree with you in general about your previous post.
I gave VT some credit, even Jones, even Ruppert, even DBS,
even Rense. We can do better on here I believe, me included of course.

[Bigjon]

You still believe in DBS, very similar, you didn't answer my questions before,
why is he still allowed to operate in France, attacking Bollyn ?
Bollyn does not trust them. He says avoid them.


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The last time I heard DBS talk about Bollyn (who does great work) he acknowledged that he made some mistakes while dealing with Bollyn and tried to apologize for those mistakes.