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Ares
13th September 2011, 06:41 AM
The FDA has issued a proposed mandate that represents the greatest threat to dietary supplements since 1994. Back in the early 1990s, consumers were so alarmed by FDA bullying that they staged a massive revolt. The result was that Congress passed a law prohibiting the FDA from banning popular nutrients (as the agency had threatened to do).

There was, however, a loophole in the 1994 law. The FDA was given authority to regulate ingredients introduced after October 15, 1994.

It has been 17 years, but the FDA just issued draconian proposals as to how it intends to regulate what it now calls "new dietary ingredients". You can find the FDA Draft Guidance on New Dietary Ingredients (NDI's) here. If implemented, some of the most effective nutrients you are taking will be removed from the market. This includes many fish oil formulas and natural plant extracts. A detailed analysis of the FDA Draft Guidance is available here.

These oppressive rules are exactly what the 1994 law (DSHEA) sought to prevent. The FDA is using its authority in direct violation of Congressional intent.

In order for these ingredients you are using today to return to the market, the FDA will require manufacturers to conduct outrageously expensive studies using absurdly high doses, in some situations multiplied by a "safety factor" up to 2,000-times the recommended dosage on a per product basis.

The FDA defines dietary supplements as being "new" if they were introduced after October 15, 1994. That means that even certain nutrients that have been safely used over the course of three decades will be subject to the FDA's oppressive policies that mandate costly animal testing.

The FDA Views Supplements in Same Light as Synthetic Food Preservatives

According to the new guidelines, the FDA believes that "new dietary supplements" must be regulated similarly to synthetic food preservatives. The FDA guidelines have modeled the outrageous safety thresholds after those in place for food additives. This appears to be in direct violation of DSHEA, the law enacted in 1994 to protect consumer access to dietary supplements, which classifies dietary supplements as foods, not food additives.

The FDA proposes that new dietary supplement ingredients should adhere to aggressive safety margins, which are typically reserved for chemical compounds known to be dangerous in all but the most miniscule concentrations.

Since food additives or preservatives such as aspartame, monosodium glutamate, and sodium nitrate are known to cause cancer or other severe health problems, the FDA has implemented safety guidelines which limit allowable concentrations of these food additives to levels that are supposed to be physiologically inert.

The fact that the FDA is trying to impose the same limits upon dietary supplements seems to be arbitrary and completely unfounded. In fact, when someone takes a dietary supplement, their intent is to positively affect the structure or function of their bodies in some way – limiting dosages of dietary supplements to physiologically inert levels defeats the entire purpose of supplementation with health-sustaining nutrients.

The FDA's new guidelines are so flawed that even nutrients shown to be completely safe in hundreds of human clinical studies would fail to accommodate the unreasonable safety margins.

To give you an example, each manufacturer of certain fish oils would have to conduct a one year study where animals would have to consume the human equivalent of 240,000 milligrams each day of fish oil.

Another option under the FDA's proposed mandates is to conduct a 90-day, 1,000 – fold safety margin study in which two species of animals, one being non-rodent – likely young beagle dogs, will theoretically consume the equivalent of 2.4 million milligrams of fish oil daily. We know of virtually no species can tolerate this high dose, so by default, FDA guidelines will make it impossible for certain omega-3 supplements to be sold. (Note typical dose of EPA/DHA people take each day is around 2,400 mg—100 times less than what the FDA proposes must be tested.)

Since these are not patented drugs, no supplement maker will be able to afford these "safety" studies, which means that many of the nutrients you now purchase at low prices will convert into high-priced drugs.

Pharmaceutical Industry Profit Threatened By Low Cost Supplements

It appears that the FDA is claiming that dietary supplements are unsafe, and in order to "protect consumers" the agency must place a stranglehold on the dietary supplement industry by requesting exorbitant safety testing. These ludicrous safety thresholds are in excess of those required by pharmaceutical drugs despite studies showing supplements are far safer than drugs.

According to the 2001 report of the American Association of Poison Control Centers (AAPCC), of the substances implicated in fatal poisonings in 2001, 84.6 percent were pharmaceutical drugs, with analgesics being implicated as the primary cause of death in 32 percent of fatalities or 341 deaths. This compares with 0.8 percent for all dietary supplements combined, even including substances such as dinitrophenol, a dangerous (and illegal) substance banned in 1938, as well as the central nervous system stimulant Ma Huang (Ephedra). Interestingly, the anti-asthma drug theophylline alone was responsible for 15 deaths, 66 percent more than all the available dietary supplements combined.

There is, however, a massive economic benefit for the drug industry if the proposed guidelines are enforced by the FDA. Health conscious Americans who properly supplement slash their risk of degenerative disease. The FDA's new rules, if enacted, will force the price of many supplements to surge upwards, while removing many effective ones altogether. That means that more aging people will have to rely on side effect laden prescription drugs to treat the degenerative diseases they will contract because they will be denied access to health-promoting nutrients.

What You Can Do to Stop this Impending Carnage!

No one can sit on the sidelines with an emergency of this magnitude about to befall everyone who depends on dietary supplements. As citizens, we have the constitutional right to petition the government to redress our grievances. In this case, the FDA proposals pose a direct threat to our health and longevity.

We therefore have to take extraordinary measures to defend our right to continue using supplements that our very lives depend on, and to gain access to new natural ingredients that demonstrate efficacy in scientific studies.

I ask each one of you contact your representatives by following this link:

https://secure3.convio.net/aahf/site/Advocacy?alertId=911&pg=makeACall

Recall how Consumers revolted back in 1994 and the result was a glorious victory over FDA tyranny!

Let your voice be heard by exercising your right to petition the government against these serious violations of the law and scientific principle. Please be sure to call, fax, or send a certified letter to your representative - emails can be easily dismissed.

Here is a set of talking points for your consideration:

My name is [Name] and I am a constituent of [Congress Member's name].
I am very concerned about the new FDA draft guidance on dietary supplements and new dietary ingredients.
I request that Congress hold hearings and take action to review the FDA's draft guidance and stop their overreach of power.
The FDA's draft guidance flies in the face of the original congressional intent of the Dietary Supplement Health Education Act: The guidance turns what was meant to be a simple notification system for new dietary ingredients into a preapproval scheme that Congress did not intend to create.
Congress recognized that dietary supplements are natural ingredients and therefore inherently safer than drugs and chemical food ingredients. It did not intend that the FDA would have the power to approve or reject dietary supplements.
The FDA's draft guidance creates unnecessary regulations that limit my access to dietary supplements I rely on. The expensive and burdensome process will force between 20,000 and 42,000 dietary supplements to be removed from the market and will increase the cost of those supplements that remain.
The draft guidance hurts our economy. Expert analyses show that this guidance will cause a total economic loss of $21.2 billion to $39.8 billion annually.
Thank you for your time.

Tips:

Be courteous and respectful.
Keep your comments brief and focused on the facts.
Always thank the staff member for their time taking your call.


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/13/fda-to-ban-new-supplements-and-classify-them-like-food-preservatives.aspx?e_cid=20110913_DNL_art_1

Son-of-Liberty
13th September 2011, 07:39 AM
I heard something about this but I didn't realize there was talk about forcing companies do absurd safety testing with unrealistic dosages that nobody could possibly consume. Of course this is after the fact when people have been consuming this stuff for years with no serious illness or death reported.

Meanwhile the "regulated" drugs kill hundreds of thousands a year....

palani
13th September 2011, 07:42 AM
FDA rules dealing with food or drugs define Man as an animal. This is true of criminal drug laws as well.

These regulations come with an automatic 1st amendment (freedom of religion) defense UNLESS you agree with them that you are an animal (hue-man ... color of Man ... not Man).

This will offer no help from the supply side if the one who puts together the supplement chooses to be a good "corporate" citizen.

Ares
13th September 2011, 07:43 AM
I heard something about this but I didn't realize there was talk about forcing companies do absurd safety testing with unrealistic dosages that nobody could possibly consume. Of course this is after the fact when people have been consuming this stuff for years with no serious illness or death reported.

Meanwhile the "regulated" drugs kill hundreds of thousands a year....

Yeah but that's why we have the FDA to keep us safe. :sarcasm:

Son-of-Liberty
13th September 2011, 07:49 AM
I get what you are saying palani but it doesn't do most people who are consumers of supplements much good. Most supplements are produced by corporations and there will be no supply to purchase. Eventually they will be available black market but there are down sides to that as well like quality issues and higher prices.

beefsteak
13th September 2011, 09:04 AM
All,
I called Swanson's one of the biggest an oldest an best reputation supplement companies available to us mere animals, and was directed to talk to a "product specialist." This is what I heard.
1) Yes, they were aware of this coming deadline.
2) Mr. Swanson and his team are monitoring the situation. THIS IS A DIRECT QUOTE.
3) No, there was no list the specialist could share which itemized which products were affected so that animals like us could use the 90 days left to stock up while this gets sorted out and litigated to death.

Since this is what SWANSON's is officially saying, goodness only knows what the lesser supplement providers are muttering into their headsets when the animals call.

I also asked specifically if they were doing any radiation checks of products either they are formulating as in mfg or rep'ing since 3/11/2011. The Product Specialist wouldn't answer, except to say many of their customers where concerned about the downwind effects of Fukushima and had "voiced similar concerns to Swansons."

ARRRRRGH! >:(>:(>:( :'(

Son-of-Liberty
13th September 2011, 09:18 AM
So when does this come into effect? I buy some of my supplements from the USA and wouldn't mind stocking up.

midnight rambler
13th September 2011, 09:32 AM
The National Institute for Drugs...er, I mean the National Institute for Health is the party which pays for the testing of Big Pharma's latest patented drugs (AND approves those same drugs), yet that which is natural is of no concern to them. Where gov.org bears the cost of corporations' R&D is often called fascism.

Bigjon
13th September 2011, 10:26 AM
FDA rules dealing with food or drugs define Man as an animal. This is true of criminal drug laws as well.

These regulations come with an automatic 1st amendment (freedom of religion) defense UNLESS you agree with them that you are an animal (hue-man ... color of Man ... not Man).

This will offer no help from the supply side if the one who puts together the supplement chooses to be a good "corporate" citizen.

http://adask.wordpress.com/category/man-or-other-animals/

Golden
13th September 2011, 10:45 AM
This is a call to BACK THE TRUCK UP.

Old Herb Lady
13th September 2011, 12:38 PM
Oh puh-lease people. Get yourselves together. I thought this forum was supposed to be about surviving.

Learn what the h*LL is in your backyard or what is growing between the cracks in your sidewalk.

You are SURROUNDED with medicine / free natural/ organic supplements ALL AROUND YOU and fall is the time to harvest as much as humanly possible to dry it & save it for over winter.

So if big brutha takes away your "supplements" you wll have a back up plan. You know .........Plan B ?

Pick as much red clover heads as your back & knees will allow you to bend over and pick.
Dig out enough dandelion roots out of the ground until your fingers are sore & calloused.
Pick a 5 gallon bucket full of plantain leaves.
Look for yarrow alongside woods.
See if you have stinging nettles around you & put on some gloves & get to pickin'.

I could go on & on all day.

Those weeds are a zilion times better than all the supplements.

Back up my kid's little red wagon & I fill it up regularly & wheel it into my kitchen & make my own.

Big brutha will NOT stop until we are all diseased ridden & dead and then still not stop.

Get a Peterson's field guide to identify your weeds/ plants.

Good Luck.

cortez
13th September 2011, 02:56 PM
i can still buy a crap load of supplement very cheap and than i dont have to get on my knees and pick red clover or dandilion. sure if i need to pick these things great but for a small amount of money i can buy a years supply of herbs and supplements. your argument would mean that i shouldnt buy anything and grow my own rice, mill my own flour, plant everything i need, and toil non stop in a garden. these things are all fine and dandy in a post apocolyptic world, but i would still enjoy the ease of purchasing these things

Old Herb Lady
13th September 2011, 03:44 PM
Trust me, any "supplements" that you can buy "a crap load" of for "cheap" are exactly that. Cheap & worthless .
I was in the "supplement" business for years. Big Pharma owns most of them .
They're all loaded with binders, fillers, excipients, and on & on. The herbs are irradiated & the vitamins are synthetic.

Your body will absorb the synthetic additives & store them in your body & cause worse problems down the road.

If you come across any herbs or "supplements" that are wildcrafted or grown organically with NO ADDED INGREDIENTS you're going to pay for them, NOT GET THEM CHEAP.
That's the only kind we take.......people get kidney stones from all those synthetic ingredients.

Why pay for cheap stuff when you can get the highest TOP quality , 100 % organic or 100 % wildcrafted for free.

That's your choice if you want garbage. No biggie, just sayin. I didn't say to go plant anything, I just said go pick your own supplements in your backyard for free.

Serpo
13th September 2011, 03:55 PM
Im not concerned about myself and picking herbs from my back yard.

It maybe OK if you are trained in this area but most people are not.

Im concerned about the FDA who are a bunch of sold out lying crooks screwing with the health of a large number of people.

Old Herb Lady
13th September 2011, 04:01 PM
That's just it. Most people aren't trained in the real workings of the FDA (crooks). Most people don't have any gold & silver,
most people don't have any food stocked.......most people don't know how to pick weeds from their backyard & use them to survive & thrive on.

Wouldn't now be the time to buy a book & just get some general knowledge on the subject ?

I mean on a survival forum, I thought you big tough guys would all know how to survive and all.

( a large number of people don't have 2 cents to rub together let alone buy supplements)

beefsteak
13th September 2011, 05:30 PM
Herb Lady,
I didn't even mow my grass this year, it's all growing wild. Why? Because of the fallout, that's why. If supplements weren't available I'd have no nutrition at all.

In my wife's and my humble opinion, we need a massive response in this country for "safely grown food" of the heirloom varieties. Supplements are to tide us over, until some of us remove the big screen TV and put in an indoor herb garden where the boob tube formerly was. And then learn how to alternatively hook up the "light source" to DC/Solar Panel power.

Speaking of "light source...," the wife and I went and investigated the "SolaTube" dealership a few miles away. What we discovered was normal tin tubing lined with some kind of mastic into which mylar was placed. The only thing we need is the prismatic cover that sits atop this unit.

Any ideas as to where to individually purchase the prismatically engineered SolaTube covers? Expense be damned...

I like the concept of "bent light" and what I saw of it bouncing down that tube without the heat accompanying it. Executing this concept should make indoor gardening, herbs, container potatoes-onions-corn-wheat-carrots, etc., an absolute joy to tend to and eat from, yes? Not to speak of the cost savings of free sunshine, regardless of longs and lats, vs. these -24/7/365, 500 watt "wheel herb garden" unit lightbulbs and their not so sweet concomitant electric bills.

All responses welcome, especially as relates to locating the SolaTube prismatic and ventilated dome covers.


beefsteak

gunDriller
13th September 2011, 05:32 PM
i can still buy a crap load of supplement very cheap and than i dont have to get on my knees and pick red clover or dandilion. sure if i need to pick these things great but for a small amount of money i can buy a years supply of herbs and supplements. your argument would mean that i shouldnt buy anything and grow my own rice, mill my own flour, plant everything i need, and toil non stop in a garden. these things are all fine and dandy in a post apocolyptic world, but i would still enjoy the ease of purchasing these things

personally i like eating right off the vine. don't even need knives & forks.

i'm not being sarcastic either - i do like eating fresh picked raw wild food. well, mostly plants.


i think it's very wise to learn to do the things Herb Lady is advising. it doesn't mean you have to do it all the time.

from Mercola -

"If implemented, some of the most effective nutrients you are taking will be removed from the market. This includes many fish oil formulas and natural plant extracts."

are they actually going to take Cod-Liver Oil off the shelf ? Bilberry Extract too ?

Old Herb Lady
13th September 2011, 05:53 PM
Herb Lady,
I didn't even mow my grass this year, it's all growing wild. Why? Because of the fallout, that's why. If supplements weren't available I'd have no nutrition at all.

In my wife's and my humble opinion, we need a massive response in this country for "safely grown food" of the heirloom varieties. Supplements are to tide us over, until some of us remove the big screen TV and put in an indoor herb garden where the boob tube formerly was. And then learn how to alternatively hook up the "light source" to DC/Solar Panel power.

Speaking of "light source...," the wife and I went and investigated the "SolaTube" dealership a few miles away. What we discovered was normal tin tubing lined with some kind of mastic into which mylar was placed. The only thing we need is the prismatic cover that sits atop this unit.

Any ideas as to where to individually purchase the prismatically engineered SolaTube covers? Expense be damned...

I like the concept of "bent light" and what I saw of it bouncing down that tube without the heat accompanying it. Executing this concept should make indoor gardening, herbs, container potatoes-onions-corn-wheat-carrots, etc., an absolute joy to tend to and eat from, yes? Not to speak of the cost savings of free sunshine, regardless of longs and lats, vs. these -24/7/365, 500 watt "wheel herb garden" unit lightbulbs and their not so sweet concomitant electric bills.

All responses welcome, especially as relates to locating the SolaTube prismatic and ventilated dome covers.


beefsteak

You wouldn't have had any nutrition at all without supplements ?? No food going into your body since the fallout ? I don't understand ?

I'm not saying all supplements are bad. I'm saying 99.9 % of them are. I LOVE the best of the best herbs, trust me, I order online all the time.

What "supplements" are you taking for your nutrition ?

Bigjon
13th September 2011, 05:54 PM
personally i like eating right off the vine. don't even need knives & forks.

i'm not being sarcastic either - i do like eating fresh picked raw wild food. well, mostly plants.


i think it's very wise to learn to do the things Herb Lady is advising. it doesn't mean you have to do it all the time.

from Mercola -

"If implemented, some of the most effective nutrients you are taking will be removed from the market. This includes many fish oil formulas and natural plant extracts."

are they actually going to take Cod-Liver Oil off the shelf ? Bilberry Extract too ?

Speaking of learning can anyone point to a good source for information on the proper uses of these wild plants?

Old Herb Lady
13th September 2011, 05:56 PM
personally i like eating right off the vine. don't even need knives & forks.

i'm not being sarcastic either - i do like eating fresh picked raw wild food. well, mostly plants.


i think it's very wise to learn to do the things Herb Lady is advising. it doesn't mean you have to do it all the time.

from Mercola -

"If implemented, some of the most effective nutrients you are taking will be removed from the market. This includes many fish oil formulas and natural plant extracts."

are they actually going to take Cod-Liver Oil off the shelf ? Bilberry Extract too ?



OMG !! SOOOO AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVED THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's called foraging and it's soooo much fun. Find a local herbalist & go on a foraging adventure !!!

http://site.infowest.com/business/g/gentle/foraging.html

Old Herb Lady
13th September 2011, 05:58 PM
Speaking of learning can anyone point to a good source for information on the proper uses of these wild plants?

post # 11 in this thread. Peterson's Field guides

gunDriller
13th September 2011, 06:19 PM
OMG !! SOOOO AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVED THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's called foraging and it's soooo much fun. Find a local herbalist & go on a foraging adventure !!!

http://site.infowest.com/business/g/gentle/foraging.html

true ... but ... i should learn what poison oak looks like ... wouldn't want to forage on that.

though i hear goats can !

ximmy
13th September 2011, 06:20 PM
true ... but ... i should learn what poison oak looks like ... wouldn't want to forage on that.

though i hear goats can !

leaves of three... let them be...

Old Herb Lady
13th September 2011, 06:30 PM
true ... but ... i should learn what poison oak looks like ... wouldn't want to forage on that.

though i hear goats can !

That's what the herbalist is for. They will show you which plants, herbs & weeds are edible or poisonous, etc. ( Or a local botanist )
Usually there are "Herb Walks or Weed Walks or Edible Plant Walks, etc . everywhere if you inquire & just try to find out where/when.

Leaves of three; let it be." "Hairy vine, no friend of mine." "Raggy rope, don't be a dope!"

Serpo
13th September 2011, 06:33 PM
They wont be removing coconut oil

Son-of-Liberty
13th September 2011, 07:56 PM
I am more concerned about the fish oils, and some of the newer amino acid based supplements, like Acetyl L-carnitine, Beta-Alanine, and D-aspartic Acid. Some of the scientifically proven herbal extracts like curcumin, and resveratrol might also be in danger. Herbs are good for some maladies but I mostly take supplements to help me achieve my strength training goals.

beefsteak
13th September 2011, 08:44 PM
Herb Lady
we're only consuming that which was packaged pre-Fukushima, bless the dear wife's advance preps.

Truthfully, we're on our ascending Bell"Learning"Curve, doing the dehydrating thing, etc. Our diet has changed dramatically since 3/11, and deliberately so. For example, I had my first 1/4 cup of lentils ever tonight, and am still feeling quite full. The taste was not as I would have liked, which is the primary reason I've avoided them for more decades than I'd like to admit.

I've dropped 43 # since Fukushima 3/11, and am feeling damn good. Let's say I am taking in the neighborhood of 12 supplements, including the Omega 3s. I am and She is very concerned about the fish from which these oils are extracted and the source of them, let alone the processing of them. My wife and I are taking quite seriously our leadership roles in our home and immediate family, as none of the grown children seem to have "caught on yet" and are busy dancing in the ballroom of the Titanic as it were. Breaks our hearts.

Do you have some recommendations for plant sourced DHA replacements we could grow and consume to help make up for the poisoned fish sourcings on our planet? We are sincerely seeking answers to this one and would appreciate your input greatly!!

We're also doing 3 radiation mitigation protocols thanks to the input on the Japanese thread. One of these is Sodium Bi-Carb, for maintaining kidney health. I feel I can speak of that one, without fear of the FDA targeting NaHCO3. And my wife has learned to make our own Soda Crackers from scratch, which helps her with her hiatal hernia health concerns.

Why Sodium Bi-Carb? Since, GSer, Antonio --our resident Chernobyl Survivor priorly indicated on the Japan Nuke WestCoast thread--we will be eliminating radioactivity primarily through that system. Bless Antionio's heart--he used current vernacular to describe that elimination function, a term that ladies such as yourself and my wife are uncomfortable using.

Beyond that, I'm not comfortable posting our specific supplementation on a public forum. Neither of us "tell" the MD everything we are doing nutritionally either, even tho' the "annual intake forms" now require physicians to ask, and report then to Uncle Obamanation now....
We are fortunate to have that particular party very into alternative medicine and treatment and be quite supportive of our improving health and natural vegetarian consumption changes in particular.

Have YOU made any post Fukushima dietary adjustments, Herb Lady? This is a straight question, and not one to make you uncomfortable. We sincerely wish to hear your thoughtful and candid reply.


beefsteak

beefsteak
13th September 2011, 08:45 PM
Serpo,

they won't be removing coconut oil. However, last I looked, it took a LOT of blue sky real estate to grow said coconuts. The taller the plant, the more the exposure to fallout, yes?


beefsteak

beefsteak
13th September 2011, 08:50 PM
I am more concerned about the fish oils, and some of the newer amino acid based supplements, like Acetyl L-carnitine, Beta-Alanine, and D-aspartic Acid. Some of the scientifically proven herbal extracts like curcumin, and resveratrol might also be in danger. Herbs are good for some maladies but I mostly take supplements to help me achieve my strength training goals.

You have voiced a very legitimate short list, Son-of.

Anything formulated SINCE 1994 is on the FDA hit-list, as of the 2004 statues on the books which they are now enforcing effective 12/31/2011.

L-Arginine, Ubiquinol, and Astaxanthin are 3 Dr. Oz, and Mercola just discussed on Dr OZ last week. I don't know how to research if these pre-date 1994 as in will be grandfathered under the new enforcement action. Would any of the more knowledgeable care providers on this forum, weigh in on this topic, please? At least give us a clue as to how to research this for ourselves, if at all possible, so we can determine which of our personal regimens are at risk!

Oz covered Endive with another practitioner, as well as red onions, and sea bass on today's show, as 3 proven ovarian cancer fighters. Quite a show.

Tomorrow, Oz is revealing the brand names of current products on the supermarket shelves which contain arsenic. Apple Juice in particular contains the arsenic. So do candy, cereals, cookies...I'm re listening to Dr. Oz evening edition now.

DAMN the SOB mfgrs and "food processors."

I hope Hell is a truly hot place for these "food processing charlatans." Reminds, me...I think I'll wait until tomorrow before I finish the AppleJuice in our 'frig.


beefsteak

Son-of-Liberty
13th September 2011, 11:39 PM
You have voiced a very legitimate short list, Son-of.

Anything formulated SINCE 1994 is on the FDA hit-list, as of the 2004 statues on the books which they are now enforcing effective 12/31/2011.

L-Arginine, Ubiquinol, and Astaxanthin are 3 Dr. Oz, and Mercola just discussed on Dr OZ last week. I don't know how to research if these pre-date 1994 as in will be grandfathered under the new enforcement action. Would any of the more knowledgeable care providers on this forum, weigh in on this topic, please? At least give us a clue as to how to research this for ourselves, if at all possible, so we can determine which of our personal regimens are at risk!

Oz covered Endive with another practitioner, as well as red onions, and sea bass on today's show, as 3 proven ovarian cancer fighters. Quite a show.

Tomorrow, Oz is revealing the brand names of current products on the supermarket shelves which contain arsenic. Apple Juice in particular contains the arsenic. So do candy, cereals, cookies...I'm re listening to Dr. Oz evening edition now.

DAMN the SOB mfgrs and "food processors."

I hope Hell is a truly hot place for these "food processing charlatans." Reminds, me...I think I'll wait until tomorrow before I finish the AppleJuice in our 'frig.


beefsteak

I am curious also about where one might find info on the status of certain suppliments. I think if the supplement was being sold before 1994 as a supplement it will be OK but if it started being marketed after it gets the axe. I am pretty sure that the stuff I listed would get axed because most of it I only heard about 5-6 years ago or less. Whey protein and creatine are probably OK but I may stock up anyway if it is something I use all the time just to be safe. If you buy a few years worth and store the stuff well I can't see most things other then maybe fish oil going bad.

The FDA, Health Canada etc, are just there to protect Big Agri and Big Pharma's interests. It is pretty transparent. They allow all sorts of toxic chemicals as food additives, allow drugs that have killed hundreds or even thousands and spend all there time trying to shut down supplements and health foods like raw milk.

Twisted Titan
14th September 2011, 06:11 AM
Awesome thread thanks for the links herb lady.....

I got to plan nature walks for me and the wee one

Start her on that path while her curiosity is naturally high