Ribose, a cheap and healthy way to boost your energy

[Large Sarge]

http://svakanda.hubpages.com/hub/d-ribose

(note this is not spam), the link provides info, and does not sell it, neither do I. Just relaying some of my experiences with it.

I have to say Ribose is amazing stuff, seriously. started taking it about 9-10 days ago. I could feel it within an hour of taking it, hard to explain the feeling, just felt more energy, maybe a little more awake than usual.

since being on it, less fatigue, less muscle soreness, I am warmer than usual (and I run pretty warm), less aches and pains, less craving of sweets, and others.

Now Ribose is not the end all beat all, but it is used by the body to make ATP (cellular energy), and when you increase cellular energy, well all kinds of good things start happening.

one of my heroes, Dr. Frank Shallenberger (a pioneer and genius IMO), has stated that aging and illness are really just energy deficits.

so if your age is say 60 years old, but you have the cellular energy of a 35 year old..... well, then you will have the health and benefits of someone 35.

So what Shallenberger states is that the mitochondria is the most important part of aging and illness, this is where we all make cellular energy.

Ribose helps the mitochindria make ATP

Shallenberger has a book on this,

"bursting with energy"

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/bursting-with-energy-frank-shallenberger/1005611000


so anyway, Ribose is extremely cheap, it tastes sweet like a sugar (addit to coffee, lemonade, iced tea, etc), it does not really have calories in a traditional sense (from my understanding), it goes a different pathway than normal sugars (where excess sugar is made into fat, ribose does not do this)

Really recommend this stuff, very cheap and easy to do

if any of you are suffering from chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, or have heart problems, the testimonials are just unbelievable ...
people that had suffered for years with various ailments were cured within a week or 2 of taking ribose on a daily basis....

[Dogman]

And I always thought having a girlfriend 20 + younger was the ticket.


Edit: Have watched people taking all sort of stuff, and med's .

Into my 6th decade on this planet and the only thing I take is aspirin
now and then.

[Large Sarge]

Energy-Boosting Benefits of D-Ribose78
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D-Ribose Chemical Structure (the image taken from ChemSpider.com)

What is d-ribose powder?
Ribose powder restores your body's core energy and keeps it fully charged all day long. Ribose is produced by your body naturally, though this process is very slow. The d-ribose powder can quickly restore and maintain your depleted energy reserves and as a result, the daily intake of this supplemental powder reduces muscle stiffness, soreness and fatigue. Being one of the more popular supplements among endurance athletes, ribose helps athletic performance by supplying cells in the muscle tissue with a continious supply of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), which is known as a cellular energy.

Ribose is a natural sugar that can be found in all living cells. Ribose powder and its related substance, deoxyribose, are the carbohydrates that are used to form DNA and RNA, whereas ribose forms RNA and deoxyribose forms DNA.

What is d-ribose energy?
Ribose is a five-carbon sugar, also called pentose. It is produced by all cells and is a key element for the makup of RNA. When combined with adenine, it produces adenosine, one of the components of the cell’s energy – adenosine triphosphate (ATP). Because ATP is rapidly used by muscle tissues during intense physical exercise and because RNA plays an important role in protein synthesis, d-ribose energy supplements as well as energy drinks containing ribose promote energy enhancement and better exercise performance.

ATP is a nucleotide, also called the energy currency of the cell, that has a ribose sugar and three phosphate groups. It is a high-energy molecule that is used by cells for energy storage. In addition, ATP is an important element in the synthesis of nucleic acids. If this substance cannot be formed, the energy starves. The availability of d-ribose in cells is a vital factor in energy recovery that follows cellular stress.


D-Ribose Molecular Structure 3D (the image taken from ChemSpider.com) What is d-ribose made of?
D-ribose is a pentose (five-carbon sugar), mainly found in ribonucleic acid (RNA). It is very essential for life, although the substance is a non-essential nutrient. It is made naturally in the body from glucose. The potent ingredients of d-ribose play an important role in the stress related control. The substance is easily absorbed with the diet and has a sweet taste.

How many atoms in a d-ribose?
When the carbonyl is faced by an alcohol in the chain of ribose, a five-member ring, called furanose, is formed. The ring of d-ribose has four carbons and one oxygen. The full chemical formula for d-ribose is C5H10O5, meaning that there are 5 carbons, 10 hydrogens, and 5 oxygens.



What is ribose used for?
While ribose powder and capsules are widely popular among bodybuilders and other athletes, clinical research of this compound is still inconclusive. However, several studies of d-ribose powder has demonstrated that this substance does indeed help speed recovery of the heart muscle after a heart attack. It also improves blood flow to the heart in those affected by ischemia. Furthermore, ribose supplementation has also been used to support heart function and improve cardiac tissues after heart surgery and heart attack.

A recent study shows that d-ribose powder may also be helpful in recovery promotion in those with illnesses characterized by the ATP depletion (for instance, fibromyalgia and Huntington’s disease). It is assumed that the effectiveness of this substance may be due to the fact that it is a small molecule and easily crosses the blood brain barrier.

The intake of d-ribose powder seems to be effective to treat myoadenylate deaminase deficiency (MAD), also known as AMP deaminase deficiency, and the symptoms like cramping, pain, and stiffness after exercise in patients with MAD. At least one study shows that the intake of d-ribose before and during workouts can be used to prevent the symptoms.

There is still insufficient evidence that d-ribose can be used to improve the following conditions or symptoms:

Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Many bodybuilders and athletes reported that the daily use of d-ribose powder might improve energy, sleep and general health state when they experience chronic fatigue syndrome.
Congestive heart failure (CHF). The daily use of ribose supplementation during 3 weeks demonstrated the improval of heart function and the quality of life in patients with congestive heart failure.
Fibromyalgia. Several studies show that the daily intake of ribose supplements can be effective for energy promotion, sleep and the sense of well-being in patiens with fibromyalgia.
Skin and Aging. A recent study demonstrates that d-ribose can act as a regenerative material. When placed on the skin, the substance is can decrease wrinkling and aging signs in patients.
Antioxidant. D-ribose may be effective as an antioxidant in the human body. According to a 2002 research published in the Free Radical Biology Medicine journal, 7 grams before and after physical exercise helps reduce the amount of free radical production.
Other conditions.
Despite all the studies by numerous scientists and physicians, d-ribose powder has not been recognized by FDA yet and more research is required to prove its effectiveness.

Are all d-ribose the same?
D-ribose is available in bulk powder, capsules, and tablets, as well as in chewable tablet forms. This supplement can be also found in a combination with creatine, which helps keep the muscles supplied with ATP (energy). You should follow the dosage instructions on the packaging.

What is the difference between ribose and d-ribose?
Ribose and d-ribose are almost the same. The only difference is that d-ribose is a more bioavailable form of ribose and is considered to be absorbed more quickly and fully in the body.

What foods contain d-ribose?
D-ribose can be found in red meat, particularly veal, which contains the highest concentration of this substance. Brewer's yeast is rich in RNA and is also considered to be a rich source of D-ribose.

Though normally d-ribose can be produced by our body, it cannot produce the sufficient amount of d-ribose if it is under stress, which may result in metabolic stress such as oxygen and blood deprivation (ischemia). When deficits of oxygen or blood flow are chronic, tissues cannot produce enough ribose and cellular energy levels become depleted.


What measurment of 500 milligrams of ribose powder in a teaspoon?
1 teaspoon equals to 5 grams of d-ribose powder. As 500 milligrams is half a gram, it equals to approximately 1/10th of a teaspoon.

How much ribose powder equals four ounces?
Four ounces (4 oz) approximately equals to 113,4 grams or 113398 milligrams of pure ribose powder.



What is recommended dose of d-ribose?
During the loading phase to make your muscles stronger, you should take three grams of d-ribose 3 - 4 times a day. During the maintenance phase, take 3 - 6 grams of this substance a day.

Bodybuilders recommend starting with one full scoop (around 5 grams) three times a day. After 1 month, the dose of d-ribose can be decreased to the minimum dosage that maintains the same benefit (that is, 1 scoop twice a day).

When is the best time to take d ribose?
Studies showed that for maximum effect, the best time to take d ribose is before and during exercise, when the body responses actively to the changes in the cells.

What is the best way to take d ribose?
Physicians recommend to use d-ribose for a little bit of extra energy. For these purposes, you should generally need to take only one or two capsules or one half teaspoon of powdered d-ribose a day orally. To offset the blood glucose-lowering effect, the substance is normally mixed into hot or cold meals or at least juice, milk, or fruit. Your dose will be near a gram and a half of d-ribose and this is a nice dosage for a relatively healthy person.

However, if you are suffering from any kind of energy deficit disorder, you may want to take significantly larger doses of d-ribose or take it in some other ways to maximize its energy-boosting benefits without having to increase the dosage:

1) Pour the d-ribose powder directly under your tongue and leave it in your mouth for several minutes. This allows the body to absorb much of d-ribose directly into the bloodstream through the rich network of veins under your tongue.

2) Take d-ribose powder along with synergistic nutrients such as B-vitamins. This will maximize the energy-boosting benefits of d-ribose and will significantly effect its effect throughout the day. You can also take d-ribose with other substances such as magnesium (200mg), tyrosine (500mg), malic acid (900mg), selenium (200mcg), iodine (200mcg), and vitamin C (500mg).

3) A very powerful way to maximize your d-ribose energy effect is to take it with an immune system booster, e.g. beta-glucan. This little-known secret is used by numerous bodybuilders and athletes suffering from severe chronic fatigue and who used this combination to quickly recover from a debilitating chronic fatigue. Taken together, the synergy between these two supplements appears to double the individual benefits of each d-ribose and beta-glucan. The energy can be usually restored within just a couple of hours. When taken for several days in a row, the energy- and mental-boosting effects of this combination can last for several days to several weeks afterwards.

To maintain the benefits of d-ribose powder, continued use is necessary.

Can you overdose on d-ribose?
Taken at the recommended dose, d-ribose is unlikely to do you any harm, but you should note that this substance can be added many products, including energy drinks, and you may be getting more than you think.

What is d-ribose amount per day?
The optimal and most recommended amount of d-ribose powder per day is 3 teaspoons (1 tsp 3 times a day) for 3 weeks. This amount can be reduced to 2 teaspoons for 3 weeks and up to 1 teaspoon a day. To maintain energy and cells recovery, athlets and bodybuilders recommend using d-ribose continiously for 6 days on and one day off for more than a year.



What is the dose for d ribose for recovery from exercise?
According to 2004 study published in the American Journal of Regular Integrity Physiology, the effect of oral d ribose supplementation on performance after 1 week of intense intermittent exercise, an effective dose of d ribose powder is 200 mg per 1 kg of the body weight. Eight subject performed strenuous cycle training twice a day for seven days. After their workouts they received either d ribose or placebo 3 times a day for three days. Immediately after the last training session, muscle ATP energy was lowered by 25 in d ribose and 22 in placebo. The results of this study support the hypothesis that d ribose in the muscle is a limiting factor for the rate of resynthesis of ATP. In addition, the reduction in muscle ATP after intense training does not appear to be limiting for high-intensity exercise performance.

How much d-ribose powder should you take for fybromyalgia?
The first thing you should do is to figure out the root cause of fibromyalgia (muscle pain, in plain words). Usually, the underlying cause of this condition is candida overgrowth or adrenal fatigue. The use of d-ribose powder has evidence of its effectiveness for fybromyalgia, though its benefits are short term. Published in 2006 in the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine a pilot study called The Use of D-Ribose in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia explored the use of D-ribose to decrease the debilitating symptoms of both fibromyalgia (FMS) and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Most frequently, these syndromes are associated with impaired cellular energy metabolism. In this pilot study, the subjects were given a dosage of 5 grams three times a day for a total amount of 280 grams. The scientists made the following conclusion based on the results of their research:

D-ribose was well-tolerated and resulted in a significant improvement in all five visual analog scale categories: energy, mental clarity, sleep, pain intensity, and general well-being. Approximately 66% of the subjects felt dramatic improvement when taking d-ribose, with an average increase in energy in 45% and an average improvement in overall well-being of 30%.

Furthermore, d-ribose significantly reduced clinical symptoms in the patients with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome.

How long does it take d-ribose to take effect?
Though there is still little evidence on the effectiveness of d-ribose, about 60% of the subject who took part in 2009 research, felt a boost in energy, as well as the ability to train harder and longer.

Usually, it takes about 3 to 4 days to feel the effect; however, the research suggests that the benefits from the d-ribose intake will be felt if individuals exercises hard enough to deplete adenine nucleotide pools. You might not feel it, but d ribose works to enhance the body’s energy and cells recovery.

The biochemistry about this process is quite clear. In all strenuous physical exercise adenine nucleotides decrease their amount under both aerobic and anaerobic conditions. If bodybuilders or athletes train hard enough to lower the cellular energy charge, then d ribose will assist in recovery. It’s can be compared with a rapid recharge on a rechargeable battery.

What medications react with ribose?
If you have diabetes and use medications to treat this condition, remember that they can interact with d-ribose and cause an unsafe drop in blood sugar. If d-ribose is recommended by your physician, most likely your dosage of diabetes medications will need to be modified.

Alcohol can also interact with d-ribose. When combined, alcohol and d-ribose may lead to a significant drop in blood sugar.

Ribose interacts with other medications and drugs such as aspirin, inderal, trilisate, and disalcid.

Should you take angioprim before or after d-ribose?
EDTA Disodium, also known as Angioprim, is used to assist with unwanted arterial plaque, heavy metals and decalcifying of internal organs like pancreas, kidneys, and liver.

The first dose of angioprim should be taken before d-ribose in about 30 minutes before your breakfast. Then it is recommended to have your EDTA dose 2 hours after lunch and at least one hour before dinner. Remember, that you should avoid taking d-ribose on empty stomach, thus angioprim will be taken before your d-ribose dose.

Should you take d ribose before or after workout?
It is recommended to take d ribose both before and after an ischemic event such as strenuous exercise. This will produce an increased benefit and will be more effective for your general condition.

The suggested dosage guidelines vary from 2 grams 30 to 60 minutes before workout and 2 grams after physical training. Some people would want to take up to 5-10 grams, depending on intensity of their exercise, activity and body mass.

To keep cellular energy (ATP) at their highest level, it is recommended to take d ribose everyday.

If you experience muscle cramps and soreness associated with workouts, an effective dose will be 10 grams before exercise and 4 grams every 30 minutes during the workout and after it.

When you have no exercise scheduled, d ribose powder should be taken in the evening before bedtime.

What is the d-ribose dose for heart attack recovery?
D-ribose is being researched now as a new heart supplemental block. As a building block of ATP (adenosine triphosphate), d-ribose rapidly restores depleted energy in sick hearts. For a better effect, you should take about 5 grams (1 teaspoon) of powdered d-ribose. However, if you notice any unwanted side effects, the dose should be minimized to 2 grams.

Is creatine and d-ribose powder the same thing?
Yes and no. Both creatine and d-ribose powder work synergically and are closely related in the way in which they do their thing. The combination of creatine and d-ribose acts at the mitochondrial level, enhances muscular, cardiovascular, and neurological function of the body. For more information, please refer to the section “Can d-ribose cause creatine build up in the body” above.

D ribose with malic acid. How many times a day?
The combination of d ribose with malic acid demonstrated its ability to promote optimal levels of energy production within cells. The results from this supplemental intake can be felt in just a few days.

Several studies showed that malic acid plays a central role in energy production, especially during anaerobic conditions, thus the combination of this nutrient with d ribose may benefit healthy individuals, who are interested in maximizing their energy production.

As an alternative suggestion, you can consume fruit naturally rich in malic acid, especially watermelon, plums, apples, and cherries. Although you should consider a powder form of this substance as it mixes better with the d ribose powder and makes it easer to get the advanced level of support you need. Just take the mix 2 – 3 times a day for more effective results.





Does ribose aid in weight loss?
D ribose is a natural anti-stress relief ingredient that is used to control stress-related eating and drinking, thus adding the value of being non-sedating with potential anti-depressant properties. At least one study shows that d ribose is beneficial for weight loss because it can help shorten recovery time between workouts, which allows people on weight loss programs to work out more often and more effectively.

Although ribose is essential for energy production, it is not recognized as a fuel by the body, thus this substance is actually of no caloric value to humans.


What does d ribose taste like?
D ribose has a sweet taste. The supplement is easily soluble in hot and cold water and can be mixed with other drinks or foods without losing its effectiveness.

Is d-ribose sweet like sugar?

D-ribose indeed is sweet like sugar, though it has quite different properties. The body uses d-ribose specifically and only for cellular energy. And there are little or no evidence that this substance is toxic in excess, like other sugards.

You should be aware that taking d-ribose on an empty stomach may cause blood-sugar swings, and you should advise your healthcare practitioner prior to starting the use of this supplement if you are prone to blood-sugar problems.

Can ribose powder be used to sweeten iced tea?

Ribose powder is a 5-carbon sugar that is essential for the synthesis of ATP, the cells energy molecule. The supplement helps protect tissues from energy deprivation, and stimulates recovery following a hypoxic or ischemic event. Healthy people the intake of pure d ribose powder may translate to more energy and less fatigue, greater exercise performance (in the long term), and faster recovery from exercise or overexertion. As ribose powder has a sweet taste and is easly soluble both in hot and cold water, it can be added to drinks, including iced tea. Thus you get a powerful energy-boosting drink that tastes greatly.

Can d-ribose be added in fruit juice?

Yes, d-ribose can be added in fruit juice. The supplement is easly soluble in juice and can be used even with plain water, although it is not recommended to use d-ribose on empty stomach because it might raise blood sugar.

Can you put d-ribose in coffee?

The combination of d-ribose with coffee is a very good idea. Coffee (and its main ingredient caffeine) acts as a stimulant. However, besides its beneficial effects, coffee produces several unpleasant side effects such as insomnia, an increased heart rate, anxiety, headaches, and a potential crash state following its metabolism. Several researchers have proposed mechanisms responsible for caffeine’s interactions. The results of their investigations have produced no positive consensus; however d-ribose, which is an important pent pentose carbohydrate in the energy molecule of ATP, may become a good solution to this problem. Potentially, d-ribose may help maintain or lower extra-cellular adenosine concentrations and lessen fatigue and depression. Every cell requires energy to maintain its integrity and function. The mix of d-ribose powder with caffeine might help in the potential intracellular energy demand and lessen the unpleasant side effects of coffee intake, and at the same time preserve the desired benefits of this stimulant.

What is the name of the sugar alcohol produced of d-ribose?

Sugars, including d-ribose, may be modified by natural or laboratory processes into substances retaining the main properties of saccharides, but having different functional groups. Sugar alcohols, also known as alditols, polyols or polyhydric alcohols, represent hydrogenated forms of aldoses or ketoses. For instance, sorbitol (or glucitol) has the same structure as glucose, but the group of aldehyde (-CHO) is changed to -CH2OH. Among other sugar alcohols are such monosaccharides as erythritol and xylitol and disaccharides such as lactitol and maltitol. Sugar alcohols are widely used in weight loss programs as low-calorie or sugar-free products, because they contain half the calories of sugars.

Xylitol can be found in numerous sugar-free candies and gums due to its sweetness, which is almost the same as sucrose, but it contains 40% less food energy. Although xylitol seems to be safe for humans, this sugar alcohol can cause seizures, liver failure and death in dogs even in small doses.


Is d-ribose safe?
D-ribose powder is safe if taken in doses no more than 5 grams (1 teaspoon) at a time. However, if you take numerious doses of 5 grams separated by at least 30 minutes, the supplement can be safely metabolized in the course of the day.
When d-ribose is taken in large doses over 10 grams at a time and on an empty stomach, some people may experience side effects like hypoglycemia (weakness or lightheadedness), which can be minimized by combining the ribose doses with other carbohydrates or taking the supplement with juice or food.

One more reported d-ribose side effect is diarrhea.

Your total taily intake of ribose shouldn’t exceed 20 grams (equals to approximately 4 teaspoons). If you are pregnant or have any medical condition including heart disease or diabetes, consult a doctor prior to using dribose.

Safety and toxicology researches of d-ribose demonstrated that the substance is safe when consumed as directed.

Is d-ribose safe for those with hypoglycemia?
The supplemental d-ribose intake in large doses (10 grams and more at a time) may lead to hypoglycemia and elevation in uric acid levels. If you have gout, you should avoid using d-ribose, and people with elevated uric acid levels and hypoglycemia should take d-ribose in small doses and it is recommended that they consult a physician before consuming the supplement.

Is d-ribose safe with coffee?
Yes, it is not only safe to put d-ribose in coffee, but may bring positive effect to your well-being. D-ribose neutralizes some negative effects of caffeine and adds extra boost to your cellular energy. For more information, see the section above “Can you put d-ribose in coffee”.

Is it safe to take ribose while nursing?
Although there are no known contraindications of the ribose therapy, it is not recommended to use this supplement for pregnant women, nursing mothers, and young children. Before starting your intake of d-ribose supplements, it is highly recommended that you consult your doctor first.

[General of Darkness]

Where do you get it?

[chad]

just google it, you can buy it online a lot places.

in a former life, i ran a corelab. ribose is basically the main ingredient in RNA. the reason it makes you feel good, is that RNA is what fuels metabolism. in effect, it's cranking up your metabolism. interesting that i have known this for almst 20 years, yet never applied it to real life. duh!

[Large Sarge]

its good stuff, and seriously cheap...

if you want to feel it faster, besides the empty stomch thing.

you can try putting a little under your tongue, take it sublingually.

it tastes really good.

all these reports of people that were essentially "house bound", whether with heart issues, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia or other ailments, and by the third week of taking this stuff they were "normal", out doing yard work, cleaning the house, etc

I can say after 10 days its pretty dramatic, I imagine in another 10 days it will be even better.

[General of Darkness]

Interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cejImoaaOac

[General of Darkness]

I just picked up .5 of a kg at this place, I'm going to give it a try.

http://purebulk.com/d-ribose

[Large Sarge]

I just picked up .5 of a kg at this place, I'm going to give it a try.

http://purebulk.com/d-ribose

I use them (purebulk) for a variety of products, I feel confident you will like the Ribose

one other trick to increasing cellular energy is essential fatty acids (Flax seed, and flax seed oil), the mitochondria need essential fatty acids around them to do the chemical reactions (shuttle molecules in and out of the cell, to create energy), essential fatty acids make this easy (they are the best)

one of the main reasons saturated fatty acids (and trans fats, and other "weird fats") are so bad, is that they actually shutdown this chemical pathway...

they in effect suffocate the mitochondria, shutting down cellular energy production...

thats why saturated fats make you fat (besides the calories), its more like shutting down your metabolism on a cellular level.

oncve you do that, all calories are converted to fat...

[Bigjon]

just google it, you can buy it online a lot places.

in a former life, i ran a corelab. ribose is basically the main ingredient in RNA. the reason it makes you feel good, is that RNA is what fuels metabolism. in effect, it's cranking up your metabolism. interesting that i have known this for almst 20 years, yet never applied it to real life. duh!

Duh, Joogle it??????

http://ixquick.com/eng/
the world's most private search engine

[Santa]

Did somebody say the word, cheap? Oy vey... Lol

Any way, D-ribose sounds interesting... however, it is made from fermented corn syrup. Yes, CORN SYRUP.

That means it's almost guaranteed to be made from genetically modified corn. Is there any other kind anymore?

Other than that, why not?

[Large Sarge]

send an e-mail to purebulk (or whoever you want to use)

ask them

purebulk sources soy lecithin that is not GMO (and they state it)

The stuff is pretty amazing, seriously....

you will be feeling warmer, among other things...

[Joe King]

I just picked up .5 of a kg at this place, I'm going to give it a try.

http://purebulk.com/d-riboseI noticed in Large Sarges post it says that "brewers yeast is rich in RNA and is also considered to be a rich source of D-ribose."

If so, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to just get brewers yeast? ???

$5 a pound vs $40.22 a pound
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?pq=eastern+us+earthquakes&hl=en&sugexp=bvec&cp=9&gs_id=6p&xhr=t&q=brewers+yeast&gl=us&gs_upl=&um=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1283&bih=929&wrapid=tlif131648083267110&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10099153937199662330&sa=X&ei=6vt3TtC0NK6EsALJu9jQDQ&ved=0CIIBEPMCMAA#


Or is there some downside to brewers yeast I'm unaware of?

[MAGNES]

Really recommend this stuff, very cheap and easy to do

Sarge , start up your flax seed oil thread on here, it's only fitting you do it.

We went on that Large Sarge diet, it's time for this forum to do the same.

I still do it from time to time.

[joboo]

I would imagine it's better to let your body make it's own ATP. If your body needs rest to recover then that's what it needs otherwise you are over training. If your body can't recover normally after exercise, a magic bullet is not always the best answer.

You might have the energy to work out sooner, but your body isn't healing properly if it's telling you to rest.

With type II diabetes at record levels, what does this stuff do to blood sugar levels?



Edit: Rense was pushing Ribose on WRH radio. The supplement industry is incorrigible.

Nice list of side effects:

You should avoid taking D-Ribose if:


you are diabetic
you have gout
you have high levels of uric acid
you are pregnant or breastfeeding
you are hypoglycemic use only with extreme caution

Side effects can include:


hypoglycemia or transient hypoglycemia
diarrhea
nausea
headache
high levels of uric acid in the blood (hyperuricemia) which could possibly leading to gout
high levels of uric acid excreted in the urine (hyperuricosuria) which could possibly lead to kidney stone

Anectdotally reported side effects also include:


constipation
dizziness
migraine
abdominal pain
difficulty getting to sleep
increased pulse and blood pressure
detoxing or antioxidant reaction
herx reactions (fever, chills, headache, muscle pain, skin problems)

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

In the spirit of this thread, what about supplementing glutamine or Branch Chain Amino Acids?

[Kali]

Where is it found naturally...what foods?

[Joe King]

Where is it found naturally...what foods?

Here ya go.


What foods contain d-ribose?
D-ribose can be found in red meat, particularly veal, which contains the highest concentration of this substance. Brewer's yeast is rich in RNA and is also considered to be a rich source of D-ribose.

[Large Sarge]

In the spirit of this thread, what about supplementing glutamine or Branch Chain Amino Acids?

I take glutamine Also, its very good.

BCAA's are good also, although I do not take those currently. (I can put down some pills, but BCAA's are just horse pills... gobbling them all day)

[Large Sarge]

ok we had a few comments on where to get the supplement in question, and then the ever present "is it ethical" or healthy to supplement"

I will try and answer these

I have never investigated brewers yeast, I seem to remember it is also high in B vitamins ( going off memory).

as stated, I agree with Dr. Frank Shallenberger that aging and illness are really just energy deficits, so Ribose helps to increase cellular energy.

is it unethical to let someone suffer from an illness or age related disease, and then use toxic, expensive, and dangerous drugs to treat these conditions (and then charge all of us insurance through socialized medicine). The patient just wants to be healthy again, and yet all of us are forced to subsidize drugs for him/her that do not even work, and are often dangerous. So what is the ethical opinion on that?
At least Ribose works, its inexpensive, and it is non-toxic. I am not sure where you found that list of side effects from above, the only 2 real issues for most people will see is if you take to much you can get low blood sugar or diarheaa.

take a look at the side effects of your heart medicine, or fibromyalgia medicine or chronic fatigue medicine (and that stuff does not even work to cure anything)

Ribose is found and produced naturally in the body.


I personally have no ethical issues with taking supplements, its one of the good uses of science. if someone wants to use and abuse their body with drugs, alcohol or supplements, well most here know that no law will really stop that person from doing it. So its not really the alcohol, drugs or supplements that are bad/evil, its the person using them, and their intent.

[Celtic Rogue]

I just picked up .5 of a kg at this place, I'm going to give it a try.

http://purebulk.com/d-ribose

Me too... we will see~! 8-)

[Tumbleweed]

I believe I read it is naturaly occuring in meat and I eat a lot of meat for the stamina and energy it gives me. I've got a lot of work to do and a little more energy is always welcome. I ordered 1.5 kg so I could give it a good test. Didn't want to run out if it works;D

[joboo]

Did a google search on ribose side effects, and found issues in the first few links where people are complaining/documenting ongoing stomach cramps, and IBS still ongoing after several months, one dude after a year, and he was still taking it. Sounds like something I would not want to go over dosage with considering it's supposedly a "natural" body process emulation.

[Awoke]

OK well you guys post your results in this thread for the rest of us.

When you're done, feel free to check this out. I have a co-worker that is trying to talk me into trying this out:
Iodine/Iodide tablets (http://www.thyroid-canada.com/?gclid=CKTsgonoq6sCFdM55QodXT6Y6w) to stimulate the thyroid.

I am not going to repost it all here, but the effects of a below-active thyroid include Foggy headspace, fatigue, forgetfullness, etc. Interesting. I am considering trying the stuff out for a month or two.

[basplaer]

thats why saturated fats make you fat (besides the calories), its more like shutting down your metabolism on a cellular level.

You need to cite some verifiable sources for such a statement. Science has shown that insulin is what drives fat into adipose tissue and an excess of insulin will drive an excess of serum fat into storage (gross simplification). I'd like to see where this claim is coming from.

[Large Sarge]

You need to cite some verifiable sources for such a statement. Science has shown that insulin is what drives fat into adipose tissue and an excess of insulin will drive an excess of serum fat into storage (gross simplification). I'd like to see where this claim is coming from.

I got it originally from Frank Shallenbergers book "bursting with energy"

let me dig around, see if I can find the material online....

[Joe King]

OK well you guys post your results in this thread for the rest of us.

When you're done, feel free to check this out. I have a co-worker that is trying to talk me into trying this out:
Iodine/Iodide tablets (http://www.thyroid-canada.com/?gclid=CKTsgonoq6sCFdM55QodXT6Y6w) to stimulate the thyroid.

I am not going to repost it all here, but the effects of a below-active thyroid include Foggy headspace, fatigue, forgetfullness, etc. Interesting. I am considering trying the stuff out for a month or two.Do you suffer from those symptoms? I tend not to take medications to treat symptoms I don't have.

[Large Sarge]

here is part of it, now part of it (which shallenberger explains) is that saturated fats, trans fats (and other non natural fats), shut down the reaction below.

like throwing a wet blanket on a fire, smothers it.

http://library.med.utah.edu/NetBiochem/FattyAcids/faq.html

Cytoplasmic fatty acyl CoA is converted to fatty acyl carnitine by carnitine acyl transferase (CAT I), an enzyme of the inner leaflet of the outer mitochondrial membrane. Fatty acyl carnitine is then trransported by an antiport in exchange for free carnitine to the inner surface of the inner mitochondrial membrane. There carnitine acyl transferase II (CAT II) reverses the process, producing fatty acyl CoA and carnitine. This shuttle mechanism is required only for longer chain fatty acids. Medium- and short chain fatty acids are carnitine-independent. They cross the mitochondrial membranes, and are activated in the mitochondrion.

[Santa]

Energy's great, but without confidence it'll get you only so far.
That's why I recommend combining energy supplements with beer. :)

[General of Darkness]

Got the D-Ribose today. Comes tightly sealed and took my first serving, as posted it's not bad tasting at all, I just mixed it up with some water.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/4687/dribose.jpg

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[BrewTech]

I noticed in Large Sarges post it says that "brewers yeast is rich in RNA and is also considered to be a rich source of D-ribose."

If so, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to just get brewers yeast? ???

$5 a pound vs $40.22 a pound
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?pq=eastern+us+earthquakes&hl=en&sugexp=bvec&cp=9&gs_id=6p&xhr=t&q=brewers+yeast&gl=us&gs_upl=&um=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1283&bih=929&wrapid=tlif131648083267110&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10099153937199662330&sa=X&ei=6vt3TtC0NK6EsALJu9jQDQ&ved=0CIIBEPMCMAA#


Or is there some downside to brewers yeast I'm unaware of?

If there's a downside, I haven't found it!

BTW, if you get live brewer's yeast, you can do several starters (fermentations) and make a large supply out of your first batch.

[BrewTech]

Energy's great, but without confidence it'll get you only so far.
That's why I recommend combining energy supplements with beer. :)

See? Now you are understanding the wonders of homebrewing!

[Joe King]

If there's a downside, I haven't found it!Can it provide the same results as the more $pendy D-Ribose?



BTW, if you get live brewer's yeast, you can do several starters (fermentations) and make a large supply out of your first batch.Sounds interesting.

[Large Sarge]

ok,

so if we use the engine analogy.

then ribose is like gasoline (fuel for making ATP)
mitochondria are the engines (where we make the ATP)
glutathione acts like an oil, lubricant, engine protector (for the mitochondria)

article below explains why glutathione increases energy.

http://mxl.myvoffice.com/pdf/en/april_08_gsh_and_energy.pdf

[Large Sarge]

oh I was thinking on this some more, on the engine analogy.

Essential fatty acids (flax seed oil, fish oil, omegas) would be like the fuel injector/carburetor/intake The fatty acids allow all the chemicals to be transported across cell membranes, this is "the combustion" Dirty fuel injectors, or a clogged up carburetor do not allow fuel into the engine... same thing, essential fatty acids allow fuel into the engine (mitochondria)