Soros Weighs In: “It Is Necessary to Think the Unthinkable

[mick silver]

he"s telling everyone what his plans are . no more need to hide ...Greece, Portugal, Ireland are toast. They’re finished and there is nothing that can be done to save their economies. But they are not the only ones. Spain and Italy are in the same boat, with many smaller EU countries also facing serious debt problems: http://www.shtfplan.com/george-soros/soros-weighs-in-it-is-necessary-to-think-the-unthinkable_09192011
George Soros, billionaire financier, chairman of a Cayman Islands based private hedge fund, and Grand Master of the world’s chess board, is weighing in on the European crisis and details some of the problems faced by Europe, as well as some proposed solutions. Love him or hate him, Mr. Soros is a major player and holds significant influence, therefore we stress that his comments should not be ignored.
By all accounts, the situation in Europe is very serious (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/warning-for-americans-be-safe-and-stay-alert-its-coming_09132011), though news coverage suggests (and has continued to suggest for nearly two years) that the crisis is just days from a final resolution.
While Europe is an ocean away and their problems are seemingly isolated to only the Eurozone region, we simply cannot ignore the implications of a European collapse on the American economy. History provides a clue as to how bad things can get even when the triggering events happen in other countries. While we often look back at the catalyst for the Great Depression as being the October 1929 stock market crash, the reality is that the Great Depression went global and full force when European nations defaulted on their debt obligations and their economies crumbled. The situation is starkly similar to what we face today, and according to Soros, may go full circle very soon:

To resolve a crisis in which the impossible has become possible, it is necessary to think the unthinkable. So, to resolve Europe’s sovereign-debt crisis, it is now imperative to prepare for the possibility of default and defection from the eurozone by Greece, Portugal, and perhaps Ireland.
Source: Thinking the Unthinkable in Europe (http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/soros71/English) by George Soros
Greece, Portugal, Ireland are toast. They’re finished and there is nothing that can be done to save their economies. But they are not the only ones. Spain and Italy are in the same boat, with many smaller EU countries also facing serious debt problems:

“It appears the authorities have reached the end of the road with their policy of ’kicking the can down the road’,” he [Soros] says.
“Even if a catastrophe can be avoided, one thing is certain: the pressure to reduce deficits will push the eurozone into prolonged recession. This will have incalculable political consequences.”
Source: Raw Story (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/15/soros-says-european-treasury-needed-to-avoid-depression/)
The catastrophe, unfortunately, cannot be avoided, and the consequences will be civil unrest across Europe (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/word-of-the-day-civil-unrest-it-here-and-its-spreading_09072011) and the real possibility of a complete collapse of the EU economic, monetary and political systems. Mr. Soros puts forth a solution, which he believes may be Europe’s only hope. As you may have guessed, this would involve even more centralized control over the entire region, complete with a single monetary governing body and tax collection apparatus:

“There is no alternative but to give birth to the missing ingredient: a European treasury with the power to tax and therefore to borrow.”
…
“Once the principle of setting up a European Treasury is agreed upon, the European Council could authorize the ECB to step into the breach, indemnifying the ECB in advance against risks to its solvency,” he says.
“That is the only way to forestall a possible financial meltdown and another Great Depression.”
Back in 2008, Secretary Henry Paulson, et. al. suggested that we were facing the legitimate possibility of another depression and one Congressman actually said on the House floor (http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/confirmed-were-literally-on-the-brink-of-catastrophic-collapse_01062011) that Congressional leaders were told there would be martial law on the streets of America. President Obama’s administration and their mouthpieces in mainstream media have told us that they actually prevented this Greater Depression from taking place.
Yet, global political and financial leaders continue to suggest that a Great Depression is imminent. Of course, they never run out of “solutions” for the problems we face, leaving the majority of the public in Europe and America holding on to the idea that they know what’s best, and if given carte blanche over the governments and central banks of the world, they will save us.
We disagree with Mr. Soros with respect to resolution to these problems. What we’re talking about here is not your average recession – it’s not even a prolonged recession. The financial collapse of essentially the entire industrialized world cannot be forestalled by more centralization. Whatever the solution, however, it will not come without a lot of pain being inflicted on the people of The United States, Europe and the rest of the world.
We are heading now into what may prove to be the worst crisis in modern history. We saw what happened at the culmination of the global great depression of the 1930′s. By the time it was all over, tens of millions were dead.
It is our hope that a similar result can be avoided now. Our greatest fear, however, is that the problems are so severe, and the global economies and political systems are so intertwined and fragile, that there is simply no way to stop the cleansing and re-balancing of decades of excess that is to come.
In his book The Crash of 2008 And What It Means, Soros writes:

The year 1944 was the formative experience of my life. I shall not give a detailed account of it because my father has done it better than I could. Imagine a child of fourteen, coming from a middle-class background, suddenly confronted with the prospect of being deported and killed just because he is Jewish. Fortunately my father was well prepared for this far-from-equilibrium experience. He had lived through the Russion Revolution in Siberia, and that was the formative experience of his life.
…
When the Germans occupied Hungary on March 19, 1944, my father knew these were not normal times and the normal rules did not apply.
The Crash of 2008 And What It Means; pp. 12 – 14
Every few generations throughout our history, we have experienced what Soros refers to as “far-from-equilibrium” situations – or, “unthinkable” situations – when the political, economic and/or social stability of entire nations or societies is threatened.
Prepare yourself, because by all indications the “unthinkable” is exactly what we are facing today.
Let us not ignore the lessons of history, but rather, use them to survive and thrive when the world around us falls apart.

[StreetsOfGold]

Greece, Portugal, Ireland are toast. They’re finished and there is nothing that can be done to save their economies..

Except that the house of Rothschild could pay off the entire debt and not bat an eye. Of course, they could just forgive the debt as they are most likely the ones it's ultimately owed to.

[vacuum]

This is the key to the whole story:

“There is no alternative but to give birth to the missing ingredient: a European treasury with the power to tax and therefore to borrow.”

[JohnQPublic]

Amazingly, it may be Brazil that reaches out and saves Portugal. Oh, by the way- can we have all that gold you guys siphoned out of our country a few hundred years ago back. After that we can see about helping you out, you know, out of a feeling of tradition.

You know, you guys helped us out, though the friendly IMF and World Bank through the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, until we got back on our feet [by practically closing off to the Rothschilds, and going energy independent with ethanol against the screaming of the Rockerfellers], so we want to do the same for you. Bend over and let us apply some of that high quality Portuguese olive oil.

[mick silver]

i like this comment ... if you guys have the time read the comments on this story i posted about soros
Mr. Blutarsky says:
September 19, 2011 at 2:48 pm (http://www.shtfplan.com/george-soros/soros-weighs-in-it-is-necessary-to-think-the-unthinkable_09192011#comment-169402)
Mr. Soros is an economic terrorist and should be in prison.
Now that I’ve got that off my chest, I will say that he is correct. We are rapidly reaching the point of no return.
I’ve got almost 2 years of food stored. Just placed another huge order. Same for anti-biotics – I’ve got tons but I’m about to order more.
Make your final preps folks. It’s about to get really, really rough out there.

[TomD]

Did you notice the stories over the past several days about the US Fed coming to the rescue of Europe? Why not? What could possibly go wrong?

[Horn]

Just imagine all the Euro-dollar holes & levies to fill up.

Chino's gonna wish he never stopped buying Yankee securities.

Once O'bummer tax 10% on the rich.

[MAGNES]

Did you notice the stories over the past several days about the US Fed coming to the rescue of Europe? Why not? What could possibly go wrong?

They already did that. $500 Billion in 2008, and that is what we know.

The FED is banker to the world, especially since same criminals own
and control the World Bank, IMF, this is clearer by the day even in the
mainstream now, but we knew that years ago, right Tom. ;)

[Joe King]

Except that the house of Rothschild could pay off the entire debt and not bat an eye. Of course, they could just forgive the debt as they are most likely the ones it's ultimately owed to.
C'mon, now why would you want them to do that?
They gotta eat too and besides, creating "money" out of thin air is hard work. I mean, there's buttons that's gotta be pushed, and they might just break a nail doing so. lol

[Hatha Sunahara]

This is the key to the whole story:

“There is no alternative but to give birth to the missing ingredient: a European treasury with the power to tax and therefore to borrow.”

The problem is that the ability to tax is all the power that is left to nations. If they give that up and all Europeans pay tax to a European Treasury, then they are part of an Empire--not sovreign nations. They all know that. But they are not ready to give up being Germans and Frenchies, and Italians and Greeks and Spaniards and Portuguese and Dutch. Their cultures are their national identities. But the Soroses of the world have figured out how to dampen that cultural life of nations: By uncontrolled immigration of muslims from poor countries. 'Multiculturalism' has been eating away at nationhood in Europe for more than two decades now.

Soros just thinks it's time to administer the coup de grace. Make everybody pay taxes to a single power. That will solve your debt problem, and also our problem with your sovreignty. This will make you slaves to a power that doesn't acknowledge that it even exists.

I wonder if the Europeans are so dumb they can't see through this Soros ploy?


Hatha

[Joe King]

The problem is that the ability to tax is all the power that is left to nations. If they give that up and all Europeans pay tax to a European Treasury, then they are part of an Empire--not sovreign nations. They all know that. But they are not ready to give up being Germans and Frenchies, and Italians and Greeks and Spaniards and Portuguese and Dutch. Their cultures are their national identities.I think it's not so much that they'd want to take away from the nations of Europe the power to tax, but rather to have an additional "Euro-tax" on top of what already is.
What it'd be like is how the States are here. They still have the power to tax as well as the fed gov.
ie shifting who it's paid to doesn't help to increase taxes, and increasing them is the plan.




But the Soroses of the world have figured out how to dampen that cultural life of nations: By uncontrolled immigration of muslims from poor countries. 'Multiculturalism' has been eating away at nationhood in Europe for more than two decades now.That's the plan to try to help keep the ponzi-scheme going. Left to their own birthrates, Europes ponzi-schemes would have already crashed.



Soros just thinks it's time to administer the coup de grace. Make everybody pay taxes to a single power. That will solve your debt problem, and also our problem with your sovreignty. This will make you slaves to a power that doesn't acknowledge that it even exists.

I wonder if the Europeans are so dumb they can't see through this Soros ploy?They're just like most Americans in that regard.

[mick silver]

would the tax be like the climate tax that didnt pass ? so now they come up with a new tax plan , just new paint but same game

[Awoke]

So Soros calls for a European Federal Reserve, instead of just hitting the "Delete" key on all the digital fiat debt?

Nice. Is the name "Soros" babylonian, by chance? Rooted in "Sorcery"?

Maybe we should call all this magical money making "Soroscery". Can I coin a new phrase?

[mamboni]

Taking advice from Soros on sovereign economics is like asking Dracula to help you with your low inventory problem at the blood bank. Soros is a sociopathic cold-blooded black-hearted monster by his own words. He would literally sell his brother to make a profit. Now he has the unmitigated balls to call for more centralization of wealth and power as the solution to Europe's economic problem which is squarely and completely because of centralized planning in Brussels? And he knows better than to ask for this. But he is a rat and subhuman. He would advise you to cut your own throat with a gentle voice and kind fatherly smile. People like Soros need to be degorged of their ill-gotten wealth and executed for the death and misery that their economic terrorism has caused to millions. Fuck Soros!

[Awoke]

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[sirgonzo420]

So Soros calls for a European Federal Reserve, instead of just hitting the "Delete" key on all the digital fiat debt?

Nice. Is the name "Soros" babylonian, by chance? Rooted in "Sorcery"?

Maybe we should call all this magical money making "Soroscery". Can I coin a new phrase?

No, the name "Soros" is from the internationalist language Esperanto, meaning "to soar".

From wikipedia:


Soros was born in Budapest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest), Kingdom of Hungary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hungary_%281920%E2%80%931946%29), the son of the Esperantist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto) writer Tivadar Soros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivadar_Soros) and Elizabeth Soros. Tivadar (also known as Teodoro) was a Hungarian Jew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Jew), who was a prisoner of war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_war) during and after World War I and eventually escaped from Russia to rejoin his family in Budapest.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#cite_note-Kaufman-10)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#cite_note-NewP-11)
The family changed its name from Schwartz to Soros in 1936, in response to growing anti-semitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism) with the rise of fascism. Tivadar liked the new name because it is a palindrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palindrome) and because of its meaning. Although the specific meaning is left unstated in Kaufman's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Kaufman) biography, in Hungarian, soros means next in line, or designated successor; and, in Esperanto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto), it means "will soar".[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#cite_note-12) Tivadar taught George to speak Esperanto from birth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Esperanto_speaker). Soros later said that he grew up in a Jewish home and that his parents were cautious with their religious roots.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#cite_note-13)

[Awoke]

Just for the record, I was kidding about the whole Soroscery thing.

[mamboni]

Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust)


Here is a partial transcript (http://tinyurl.com/ya2onc) from an interview done by Steve Kroft for CBS' 60 Minutes George Soros on December 20, 1998:


George Soros Interview On 60 Minutes
When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.
(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)
KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors.
(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)
KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew…
Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.
KROFT: (Voiceover) …who escaped the Holocaust…
(Vintage footage of women walking by train)
Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.
(Vintage footage of people getting on train)
KROFT: (Voiceover) …by–by posing as a Christian.
Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.
(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)
KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.
Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.
KROFT: In what way?
Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and–and anticipate events and when–when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a–a very personal experience of evil.
KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that's–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't–you don't see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?
Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c–I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets–that if I weren't there–of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the–I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.
Of course most of us here are already aware of Mr. Soros' highly questionable actions during the Nazi occupation. (Though the public at large undoubtedly has a different perspective, if they know anything about his earlier days at all.)
But the statements he made in this interview to my mind are quite chilling. He forgives himself everything. He says that if he hadn't done it somebody else would have.
All of which would seem to indicate that Mr. Soros has no conscience. A lack of conscience is said to be a common symptom of sociopaths.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

[Ponce]

Ponce <----------sitting in first class and looking out the window at the sheeps running around :) .............of course I don't mean you guys because I know that you are ready..........have tp? hahahahahahaahaaha.

First post of the day.............good morning to one and all.

[Hatha Sunahara]

So Soros calls for a European Federal Reserve, instead of just hitting the "Delete" key on all the digital fiat debt?


Europe already has the equivalent of the Fed. It's called the European Central Bank that creates Euros. What Soros is calling for is power for the EU to tax all Europeans. Like what we created with the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. Europeans would pay income tax to the European Federal Government which only partially exists now. They would establish a European Treasury, and the equivalent of the IRS. And as Joe King asserts, Europeans would be burdened with yet another tax above and beyond what they pay their current governments. Maybe they want to dissolve the current governments too? Having such a taxing body coupled with the ECB would give them a Federal government that would be like ours in that it would be able to borrow limitless amounts of money and pledge repayment of those huge debts from tax revenues--making tax salvery in europe more oppressive than it already is. Maybe even more oppressive than it is here in the US.

Hatha

[Awoke]

The point I was trying to make is that none of that debt is real.

It's all just electronic ledger entries.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Here's a guy who gets what's really going on:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JQuxR5EE-s

At this point, it's really hard to tell what's real and what isn't.


Hatha

[Joe King]

Europe already has the equivalent of the Fed. It's called the European Central Bank that creates Euros. What Soros is calling for is power for the EU to tax all Europeans. Like what we created with the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. Europeans would pay income tax to the European Federal Government which only partially exists now. They would establish a European Treasury, and the equivalent of the IRS. And as Joe King asserts, Europeans would be burdened with yet another tax above and beyond what they pay their current governments. Maybe they want to dissolve the current governments too? Having such a taxing body coupled with the ECB would give them a Federal government that would be like ours in that it would be able to borrow limitless amounts of money and pledge repayment of those huge debts from tax revenues--making tax salvery in europe more oppressive than it already is. Maybe even more oppressive than it is here in the US.Yep. That's the goal. European "Federal" taxation.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Here's something to support the view that this debt crisis is being used by the European Shadow Government to consolidate power:

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/eu-debt-crisis-being-used-to.html


Hatha

[mick silver]

Soros Helped The Nazis During Holocaust (http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust)


Here is a partial transcript (http://tinyurl.com/ya2onc) from an interview done by Steve Kroft for CBS' 60 Minutes George Soros on December 20, 1998:


George Soros Interview On 60 Minutes
When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros' father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.
(Vintage footage of Jews walking in line; man dragging little boy in line)
KROFT: (Voiceover) These are pictures from 1944 of what happened to George Soros' friends and neighbors.
(Vintage footage of women and men with bags over their shoulders walking; crowd by a train)
KROFT: (Voiceover) You're a Hungarian Jew…
Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.
KROFT: (Voiceover) …who escaped the Holocaust…
(Vintage footage of women walking by train)
Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Mm-hmm.
(Vintage footage of people getting on train)
KROFT: (Voiceover) …by–by posing as a Christian.
Mr. SOROS: (Voiceover) Right.
(Vintage footage of women helping each other get on train; train door closing with people in boxcar)
KROFT: (Voiceover) And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.
Mr. SOROS: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.
KROFT: In what way?
Mr. SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and–and anticipate events and when–when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a–a very personal experience of evil.
KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. Yes.
KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
Mr. SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.
KROFT: I mean, that's–that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
Mr. SOROS: Not–not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't–you don't see the connection. But it was–it created no–no problem at all.
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?
Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c–I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets–that if I weren't there–of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the–I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.
Of course most of us here are already aware of Mr. Soros' highly questionable actions during the Nazi occupation. (Though the public at large undoubtedly has a different perspective, if they know anything about his earlier days at all.)
But the statements he made in this interview to my mind are quite chilling. He forgives himself everything. He says that if he hadn't done it somebody else would have.
All of which would seem to indicate that Mr. Soros has no conscience. A lack of conscience is said to be a common symptom of sociopaths.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust
yep i posted on this a month are so back . like you said he would kill his mom for some paper