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Dogman
22nd September 2011, 09:44 AM
Lawmakers took aim Tuesday at expanding gun rights in Oklahoma (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma&CATEGORY=STATE) by allowing citizens to openly carry firearms, an issue that has become an emotionally charged one at the Capitol with differing opinions on just how far legislation should go.
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Members of the Public Safety Committee took testimony from law enforcement, academics and proponents of expanded gun rights as they decided how to proceed with an open carry bill. Rep. Mark McCullough (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Mark+McCullough&CATEGORY=PERSON), who requested the study, said his plan is to take a strategic approach to expanding firearm rights that would include drafting a variety of bills on the subject.



“When the Legislature rolls around, we would have perhaps a buffet, a variety of well thought out pieces of legislation that we can choose from. Then it will be up to the majority caucus to decide what they want to go forward with as far as a gun bill, if at all,” said McCullough, R-Sapulpa. “This is a serious issue. It has constitutional implications and it's obviously very popular in Oklahoma, but it also has serious public safety implications, and therefore it needs to be looked at very seriously.”



The Republican-controlled Legislature passed an open carry bill two years ago that would allow anyone with a concealed-carry permit to carry a firearm openly, but that measure was vetoed by then-Gov. Brad Henry (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Brad+Henry&CATEGORY=PERSON), a Democrat. Earlier this year, with extended GOP (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=U.S.+Republican+Party&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) majorities and a Republican governor, gun rights advocates were confident a bill would make it to the governor's desk, but the measure got bogged down in the House Public Safety Committee.



“Generally, when we have discussion and debate that pertains to constitutional or individual rights, those discussions tend to be spirited,” said House Speaker Kris Steele (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Kris+Steele&CATEGORY=PERSON). “I think it's a very healthy process.”



Steele said he expects to support an open carry bill that applies to those 21 years and older who have received some training and a permit.



Republican Gov. Mary Fallin (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Mary+Fallin&CATEGORY=PERSON) expressed similar support for a “reasonable” open carry bill with restrictions.



“I support open carry. I've always been a supporter of it, but I do think you have to be reasonable about open carry,” Fallin said. “Just as there are times when you can't take open carry into airports or into areas of public buildings, we have to be thoughtful and reasonable about that.”



Differing viewpoints


Some proponents for expanded gun rights believe there should be few, if any, restrictions on the carrying of weapons, which they perceive as guaranteed right under the U.S. Constitution.



According to the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+Second+Amendment+Association&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION), 43 states allow some form of open carry.



“It's a matter of liberty. Our founding fathers were clear about that,” said Tim Gillespie (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Tim+Gillespie&CATEGORY=PERSON) of the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association. “Over the years, we've put infringements on it.”



But the Oklahoma Constitution explicitly gives the Legislature the authority to regulate the carrying of weapons, said Oklahoma City University (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+City+University&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) professor Michael O'Shea (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Michael+O%27Shea&CATEGORY=PERSON).



O'Shea said lawmakers have a variety of options to pursue. One would be to expand the current concealed carry law to clarify things such as carrying on private property, involuntarily displaying a weapon and prohibited places.



Another option would be to legalize open carry by those with a concealed carry permit, and a third would be allowing anyone over the age of 18 to openly carry a firearm without a permit.



Some law enforcement officials have expressed concerns about whether allowing people to openly display weapons in public is a good idea.



“We are not particularly in favor of open carry,” said Stacey Puckett (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Stacey+Puckett&CATEGORY=PERSON), executive director of the Oklahoma Association of Chiefs (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+Association+of+Chiefs&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) of Police. “We believe if people want to carry a gun, they certainly should be fingerprinted, have a background check and training and meet certain licensing requirements.”



Rep. Sue Tibbs (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Sue+Tibbs&CATEGORY=PERSON), chair of the House Public Safety Committee, said she supports some requirement for training and licensing of anyone who wants to openly carry a weapon.



“I think we should stay with the concealed carry permit and go through that process so that someone is at least familiar with the weapon they're carrying,” said Tibbs, R-Tulsa.


Read more: http://newsok.com/oklahoma-lawmakers-study-open-carry-of-handguns/article/3606062#ixzz1YhULk3Zf

Joe King
22nd September 2011, 09:59 PM
Open carry is the only kind of "carry" there should be.

sirgonzo420
23rd September 2011, 06:14 AM
Open carry is the only kind of "carry" there should be.

Wrong.

Who's rights have I violated if my jacket covers my weapon, accidentally or not?

Joe King
23rd September 2011, 06:25 AM
Wrong.

Who's rights have I violated if my jacket covers my weapon, accidentally or not?That's just my opinion. I say if anyone is going to pack heat, it should just be in a belt holster.

In my view, and this is just my opinion btw, if they are going to make laws regarding this I would rather have it so I can easily tell who's armed and that anyone trying to hide one is up to bad intent.

Besides, if everyones gun is concealed, any perp will always be able to get the drop on anyone else due to the extra time needed to get a gun out of its concealment in order for it to even have a chance of doing its work.

SLV^GLD
23rd September 2011, 06:49 AM
I'm going to carry regardless of what the government has to say about when, where or how.

That said, the states I carry in are open carry states. That is, there is no legalese regarding limitations on the constitutional right that is explicitly not to be limited when exercised in open mode. Therefore, as someone with no carry permit, I have legally enforced incentive to openly carry. I still choose to carry concealed because if the bad guy comes into a place and begins to pick his first target do I think he is going to choose the target that is the most obvious threat or the one that appears entirely defenseless?


Finally, in direct response to Joking, we already "made LAWS regarding this" and that LAW specifically states that it is not to be infringed by silly legal bullshitting. So what you would rather have or not or have or what your opinion may be is entirely fucking irrelevant because the LAW is what it is in spite of your opinions and desires.

Dogman
23rd September 2011, 07:08 AM
This nation would be more civil if we all could open carry! It would cut a lot of bullshit out! And over all there would be less crime!

Joe King
23rd September 2011, 07:11 AM
I'm going to carry regardless of what the government has to say about when, where or how.That'd be your call as to what to do.



That said, the states I carry in are open carry states. That is, there is no legalese regarding limitations on the constitutional right that is explicitly not to be limited when exercised in open mode. Therefore, as someone with no carry permit, I have legally enforced incentive to openly carry. I still choose to carry concealed because if the bad guy comes into a place and begins to pick his first target do I think he is going to choose the target that is the most obvious threat or the one that appears entirely defenseless?What I think is that it's just going to just take that much longer to get yours out.



Finally, in direct response to Joking, we already "made LAWS regarding this" and that LAW specifically states that it is not to be infringed by silly legal bullshitting. So what you would rather have or not or have or what your opinion may be is entirely fucking irrelevant because the LAW is what it is in spite of your opinions and desires.I agree with you on this. Second Amendment should be enough.

...but in "my" view of how the World should be, the good guys shouldn't have to worry about hiding their guns. Heck, in my view everyone should be required to carry a sidearm. lol

Joe King
23rd September 2011, 07:12 AM
This nation would be more civil if we all could open carry! It would cut a lot of bullshit out! And over all there would be less crime!

This is exactly my point. An armed populace is a polite populace.

SLV^GLD
23rd September 2011, 07:16 AM
What I think is that it's just going to just take that much longer to get yours out.

When the guy openly carrying gets shot in the back unawares I'll get notice to start the long, arduous process of readying my weapon over the excruciatingly long fraction of a second that it requires.

Dogman
23rd September 2011, 07:24 AM
When the guy openly carrying gets shot in the back unawares I'll get notice to start the long, arduous process of readying my weapon over the excruciatingly long fraction of a second that it requires. Dam you have time dilation problems also?