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steyr_m
24th September 2011, 09:05 AM
Tightening the Noose: France Bans Cash Sales of Gold/Silver over $600

September 23rd, 2011

A couple of weeks ago our report that some Austrian banks had begun restricting the sale of gold and silver to 15,000 Euro (~$20,000 USD) reportedly because of money laundering issues was met with disbelief by many readers of financial news and information web sites. As we mentioned in that commentary, it is our view that governments, namely in Western nations, are making it more difficult for individuals to make gold purchases, as well as to do so anonymously.

It looks like this trend of restricting the peoples’ ability to acquire assets of real monetary value is expanding. If a recent report from France is accurate, and based on the French governments official web site it looks like it is, then as of September 1, 2011, anyone attempting to sell or purchase ferrous or non-ferrous metals, which includes gold and silver, will be required to pay for their purchase via a credit card or bank wire transfer if it exceeds 450€ (~ $600 USD):

Here is the applicable French law via www.legifrance.gouv.fr and translated into English by Google Translate:

Article L112-6
Amended by Law n ° 2011-900 of July 29, 2011 – art. 51 (V)

I. Can be made in cash payment of a debt greater than an amount fixed by decree, taking into account the place of tax residence of the debtor and the professional purpose of the operation or not.

In addition a monthly fixed by decree, the payment of salaries and wages is subject to the prohibition contained in the preceding paragraph and shall be made by check or by transfer to a bank or postal account or account held by a payment institution.

Any transaction on the retail purchase of ferrous and non ferrous is made by crossed check, bank or postal transfer or by credit card, not the total amount of the transaction may not exceed a ceiling set by decree. Failure to comply with this requirement is punishable by a ticket for the fifth class.

II.-I Notwithstanding, the costs of the department conceded that exceed the sum of 450 euros must be paid by bank transfer.

III.-The preceding provisions shall not apply:

a) For payments made by persons who are incapable of binding themselves by a check or other payment, as well as those who have no deposit account;

b) For payments made between individuals not acting for business purposes;

c) paying the expenses of the state and other public figures.

According to independent reports the law was passed to curb the illegal sale of stolen metals like copper, steel, etc. Given the rampant rise in thefts of these metals from telephone poles, construction sites and businesses here in the United States, we can certainly see this as a reasonable assessment for why the French passed this law.

However, the fact that no exception was made for gold and silver simply cannot be ignored. The new law effectively makes it illegal to purchase even a single Troy ounce of gold or around 18 ounces of silver in cash.

Looking at a single incident, for example the identification requirements in some major US cities like Houston, TX if you want to trade bullion, or the aforementioned restrictions in Austria, could be construed as coincidence or no big deal. But the most recent example in France suggests that what we have here is not a coincidence, but rather, a pattern. If there truly is a behind-the-scenes push to keep gold out of the hands of the people, then it would likely be done through indirect means and we commoners would be none the wiser.

How long before the US Congress, as a result of the rise in metals thefts here in the United States, uses this same excuse as a pretext to follow in the footsteps of the French?

Strike that question. That can’t happen in America.

Reference Sources: Legifrance.Gouv, Egalte & Reconciliation, Chris Martenson, GLP, Kitco

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/tightening-the-noose-france-bans-cash-sales-of-goldsilver-bullion-over-600_09232011

solid
24th September 2011, 09:29 AM
. If a recent report from France is accurate, and based on the French governments official web site it looks like it is, then as of September 1, 2011, anyone attempting to sell or purchase ferrous or non-ferrous metals, which includes gold and silver, will be required to pay for their purchase via a credit card or bank wire transfer if it exceeds 450€ (~ $600 USD):

No doubt that any purchases made by credit card and bank transfers will be heavily monitored, and entered into a database profiling the person doing the purchasing.

This will be for our own 'safety' of course, not so they can target folks for future extorsion.::)

steyr_m
24th September 2011, 10:17 AM
No doubt that any purchases made by credit card and bank transfers will be heavily monitored, and entered into a database profiling the person doing the purchasing.

This will be for our own 'safety' of course, not so they can target folks for future extorsion.::)

Oh, for sure.

I'm sure there's some economist with some big fancy degree that will say that gold/silver is the problem -- when in actuality, it's the solution. But I/we don't have a fancy degree, so people might not listen to us.

Joe King
24th September 2011, 10:23 AM
What they're trying to do is to make sure that, one, they know who has the stuff and two, that all applicable taxes have been paid.

That last part'll be especially important for them if there ever actually is a hyperinflation or otherwise huge jump in price of PM's.

Twisted Titan
24th September 2011, 12:19 PM
As long as I get my metal.....i really dont give a rip.

You have to find me if you want to collect..........and you better come ready.

But i digress.....

What are the gun law in France???

solid
24th September 2011, 12:22 PM
[What are the gun law in France???

Years ago I travelled to France a couple of times to have a passionate love affair with a French gal. I got to meet a lot of French folks. I don't know the laws...but the society shaming of guns is huge. Everywhere I went I was asked and fed opinions about guns being barbaric killing machines that caused all the problems in the world.

Twisted Titan
24th September 2011, 12:28 PM
No wonder the Musilm hordes plunder their lands,Women and Culture

Shami-Amourae
24th September 2011, 12:30 PM
Two questions:


Are coins considered cash?
What about Platinum and Palladium?

I bring this up considering Gerald Celente said he was buying silver now since he was afraid the gubermint was coming after gold buyers who would be blamed for the upcoming collapse.


This is exactly why I wanted Bitcoin to take off so badly. Imagine how awesome it would be to anonymously purchase anything you wanted without the ability to be tracked.

Bigjon
24th September 2011, 01:08 PM
Two questions:


Are coins considered cash?
What about Platinum and Palladium?


This is exactly why I wanted Bitcoin to take off so badly. Imagine how awesome it would be to anonymously purchase anything you wanted without the ability to be tracked.

BitCoin's didn't have that anonymity. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity

BitCoin needs an higher level security intermediary to provide anonymity and who knows and who trusts any group? We know the propensity of TPTB to form honeytraps.

Shami-Amourae
24th September 2011, 01:12 PM
Well it had anonymity if you knew how to USE it correctly. Hard to explain, but basically you could start as many wallets as you wanted and pass funds in a way that would cover up a trail/or make it hard to figure out/tie to a transaction. You could dump funds in Exchange X, and retrieve them from Exchange X to a new wallet and no one would be the wiser.

It had the ability to be anonymous or not anonymous if you knew what you were doing.

I'm just hoping like Hell something better takes it's place before the gubermint cracks down more and more.

Horn
24th September 2011, 01:13 PM
So French banks will no longer be able to collude & manipulate the gold market?

Let me guess, this does not apply to leasing contracts.

Bigjon
24th September 2011, 01:37 PM
Well it had anonymity if you knew how to USE it correctly. Hard to explain, but basically you could start as many wallets as you wanted and pass funds in a way that would cover up a trail/or make it hard to figure out/tie to a transaction. You could dump funds in Exchange X, and retrieve them from Exchange X to a new wallet and no one would be the wiser.

It had the ability to be anonymous or not anonymous if you knew what you were doing.

I'm just hoping like Hell something better takes it's place before the gubermint cracks down more and more.

You just admit that you trusted exchange X. On what basis?

Exchange X could be a honeytrap.