O'rielly Poll: Re Ron Pauls stance on killing Anwar al-Awlaki

[Libertytree]

It was 60% to 40% for when I voted. O'rielly is really trying to screw RP with this poll.

http://billoreilly.com/poll-center

The morality of killing a terrorist
September 30, 2011
Congressman Ron Paul criticized the Obama administration for "assassinating" U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki with a drone attack. Where do you stand? He's right - it's immoral & illegal
Al-Awlaki's killing is justified

[gunDriller]

It was 60% to 40% for when I voted. O'rielly is really trying to screw RP with this poll.

Congressman Ron Paul criticized the Obama administration for "assassinating" U.S.-born Anwar al-Awlaki with a drone attack. Where do you stand?

He's right - it's immoral & illegal
Al-Awlaki's killing is justified

i don't recall Ron Paul saying that. seems like Faux Reilly may have put words in RP's mouth.


i can't wait for RP to get the nomination, if it works out that way. Faux & Roger Ailes & Co (Roger Ailes was a member of Bush43's staff ... he went from that, to running Faux) will crank up the character assassination 100-fold.

[Libertytree]

There's some other vids out there but this is the gist of it.


Paul condemns 'assassinating' al-Awlaki
By NBC's Jo Ling Kent
MANCHESTER NH -- Ron Paul aggressively criticized President Obama today for al-Awlaki's death.
"No I don't think that's a good way to deal with our problems," Paul said in a media avail after his remarks at the Politics + Eggs event here. "He was born here, Al-Awlaki was born here, he is an American citizen. He was never tried or charged for any crimes. No one knows if he killed anybody. We know he might have been associated with the underwear bomber. But if the American people accept this blindly and casually that we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys, I think it's sad.


http://nation.foxnews.com/anwar-al-awlaki/2011/09/30/ron-paul-condemns-assassinating-al-awlaki

[Libertytree]

Obama Administration Drafts Legal Advisory Justifying Killing of Americans without Trial

Jim Cook (http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/author/jim/) 10/1/2011 (http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/10/01/obama-administration-drafts-legal-advisory-justifying-killing-of-americans-without-trial/)

(http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/10/01/obama-administration-drafts-legal-advisory-justifying-killing-of-americans-without-trial/)

When you read about the assassination of an American citizen by the U.S. Government, you may be tempted to think of it as an isolated action. But before that assassination was carried out, the Justice Department actually wrote a opinion laying out a legal theory (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/aulaqi-killing-reignites-debate-on-limits-of-executive-power/2011/09/30/gIQAx1bUAL_story.html) under which the killing of U.S. citizens without due process is acceptable. Killing Americans without trial is now part of administration policy toward the people of the United States.
I’d love to tell you more about the Obama Administration’s legal opinion. But your government won’t comment on the opinion and refuses to release the opinion for public view (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/aulaqi-killing-reignites-debate-on-limits-of-executive-power/2011/09/30/gIQAx1bUAL_story.html):“A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment. The administration officials refused to disclose the exact legal analysis used to authorize targeting Aulaqi, or how they considered any Fifth Amendment right to due process.”
You’re subject to a legal stance that could kill you — and that legal stance itself is an official secret.


http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2011/10/01/obama-administration-drafts-legal-advisory-justifying-killing-of-americans-without-trial/

[mamboni]

If a man or woman is an American citizen and is killed by the government without full trial and conviction then it is assassination and a high crime pure and simple. This conduct by government should strike fear in all of us. The United States government is a lawless criminal cartel and it must be reigned in and the guilty prosecuted for treason against the Constitution and the people of the United States.

[mrnhtbr2232]

Intelligence services cleaning up their mistakes before they get exposed is hardly new. Ex-judicial murder is exactly the kind of thing that silences people that make trouble for their handlers. Considering Anwar al-Awlaki trained with the Mujahideen, was educated at American universities, and had a popular place in the files of the FBI blaming him for a dozen connections to various "terrorist" exploits including 9/11, it's quite possible he knew too much and certain people in the crime syndicate we call government decided to call in their marker.

As for due process, if someone is an American citizen they should be afforded the right to a trial to present their rebuttals, period. Any deviation from that protection as afforded is a criminal act by the feds. Obviously that was not something the intelligence community wanted. Somewhere along the way they weighed the options between execution and rendition and decided to take the heat on violating the Constitution vs. risking having him opening discuss his sponsors and financing. The end result speaks for itself, and the Bill O'Riellys of the world get to carry the water to further support terrorism against our own citizens through the pretend world of terrorism the feds themselves are operating.

[iOWNme]

Turns out Anwar Al Awlaki was MORE of a US citizen than Obama......

The headline should read "Foreign De Facto Dictator murders US born citizen"

[Eyebone]

It' 50/50 now, I just voted.

At least there should have been a trial in absentia.

[palani]

15 stat 249

Sec 3. And be it further enacted, That whenever it shall be made known to the President that any citizen of the United States has been unjustly deprived of his liberty by or under the authority of any foreign government, it shall be the duty of the President forthwith to demand of that government the reasons for such imprisonment, and if it appears to be wrongful and in violation of the rights of American citizenship, the President shall forthwith demand the release of such citizen, and if the release so demanded is unreasonably delayed or refused, it shall be the duty of the President to use such means, not amounting to acts of war, as he may think necessary and proper to obtain or effectuate such release, and all the facts and proceedings relative thereto shall as soon as practicable be communicated by the President to Congress.

Approved, July 27th, 1868 ... one day prior to enactment of the current 14th amendment

Just another indication that the office of President of the United States of America is presently VACATED.

I would let Congress know of this but for two reasons

1) I expect they already know
2) I am not registered under the FARA act as a foreign agent and would not desire to be accused of lobbying on this POLITICAL issue

[Awoke]

I voted that it's immoral and illegal. It's still at 50 50 .

Then I check out some other polls.

Haha... The people are so hopeful.


America in decline?
September 23, 2011
Many observers say the United States is in a general state of decline. Where do you stand?

Yes, but we'll come out of it 70% http://images.billoreilly.com/images/clear.gif
Sorry, but the decline is permanent 29% http://images.billoreilly.com/images/clear.gif
Actually, America is better than ever 1% http://images.billoreilly.com/images/clear.gif

[Libertytree]

I voted that it's immoral and illegal. It's still at 50 50 .

Then I check out some other polls.

Haha... The people are so hopeful.


America in decline?
September 23, 2011
Many observers say the United States is in a general state of decline. Where do you stand?

Yes, but we'll come out of it 70% http://images.billoreilly.com/images/clear.gif
Sorry, but the decline is permanent 29% http://images.billoreilly.com/images/clear.gif
Actually, America is better than ever 1% http://images.billoreilly.com/images/clear.gif

Or delusional?

[gunDriller]

If a man or woman is an American citizen and is killed by the government without full trial and conviction then it is assassination and a high crime pure and simple. This conduct by government should strike fear in all of us. The United States government is a lawless criminal cartel and it must be reigned in and the guilty prosecuted for treason against the Constitution and the people of the United States.

especially because they've already pumped up the "domestic homegrown terrorist theme", and have deployed the same UAV/ drone technology at domestic military bases.

e.g. Fort Huachaca in Arizona, where one division of a large defense contractor conducts their UAV prototype testing. incidentally, their prototype is visually quite similar to the Israeli heron UAV.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/uav/heron/heron_.jpg


there was also a rumor a few years ago that the Predator had been deployed in Yuba City, in North Calif. near Reno.

i have trouble keeping the UAV's straight. General Atomics & Northrop Grumman are 2 of the primary US developers.


i wonder if there's any plane-spotting hobby people that have noticed anything. British plane-spotters helped to track down the airplanes used by the CIA's torture program, in Europe.

[Eyebone]

76 Death Penalty Evaluation Form for Espionage and Treason
Death Penalty Evaluation Form for Espionage and Treason
under Title 18 (see 18 U.S.C. § 3591 (b))

Before/immediately following indictment, this form is to be prepared by
the lead AUSA in any case in which the Government intends to or could charge a
defendant with espionage or treason.


http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00076.htm



1119. Foreign murder of United States nationals

(a) Definition.— In this section, “national of the United States” has the meaning stated in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(22)).
(b) Offense.— A person who, being a national of the United States, kills or attempts to kill a national of the United States while such national is outside the United States but within the jurisdiction of another country shall be punished as provided under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113.

(c) Limitations on Prosecution.—
(1) No prosecution may be instituted against any person under this section except upon the written approval of the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, or an Assistant Attorney General, which function of approving prosecutions may not be delegated. No prosecution shall be approved if prosecution has been previously undertaken by a foreign country for the same conduct.
(2) No prosecution shall be approved under this section unless the Attorney General, in consultation with the Secretary of State, determines that the conduct took place in a country in which the person is no longer present, and the country lacks the ability to lawfully secure the person’s return. A determination by the Attorney General under this paragraph is not subject to judicial review.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00001119----000-.html

I think Barry's ass is covered here because this Attorney General will never prosecute

[gunDriller]

I think Barry's ass is covered here because this Attorney General will never prosecute


BHO's ass is covered. i don't think they're going to take away his Nobel Peace Prize just because he killed a US citizen without a trial.


but as far as Anwar al_Awlaki, we don't really know him, except what the Zio-media tells us. over time we will find out more.

maybe he was a Zio-team-player, whom they decided to off because they needed some bread & circuses to feed the War on Terror/ Scary Muslim story.

or maybe he was a Yemeni citizen that just didn't like Uncle Shylock's military occupation of the mid-East & Israel's 63 years of stirring up shit in the Mid-East.


in any case, BHO & Co. are behaving more & more like the Empire in Star Wars. BHO doesn't look much like Darth Vader but he's an active member of the Israeli How-to-Sacrifice-Gentiles-for-Fun-and-Profit Team.


obviously the true threat to our "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", at this point, is the Israeli How-to-Sacrifice-Gentiles-for-Fun-and-Profit Team, and their supporters, such as BHO.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I don't believe any of it. I don't think there is such a thing as an independent Al Qaeda. It is all a creation of the CIA. Webster Tarpley says it is the CIA's Arab Legion. It is an intelligence fraud. An Army the CIA hires to do a job. Soldiers of fortune. Mercenaries. I'm sure the CIA hired some Al Qaeda to attack US military in Iraq and Afghanistan when things got too quiet, so there would be continued justification for keeping troops there. They hired Al Qaeda to remove Qadafi. Anyone who fears Al Qaeda, fears the CIA.

Al Awlawki, for all we know is a phantom figure. He's in the same category as Adam Gadhan. An Actor. A CIA actor. I don't think they killed him any more than I think they killed Osama Bin Laden. I think Obama needs to tell the world of his accomplishments, and just to keep the funding for the wars going, so he conjures up some 'results' which are all fake, because there is no evidence of it ever happening. Awlawki may well have been set up as an excuse to justify the government having the right to execute people without trial. He was set up to take away not our freedoms, but protections from the government. I'd like to see the body.


Hatha

[keehah]

Anwar al-Awlaki and Faux Reilly are both corrupted mil-gov operatives working to enrich the same master pushing either side of the same lie.

Whatever happens to Anwar al-Awlaki is also policy due Faux Reilly. Faux Reilly's life depends on Ron Paul's opinion overpowering Faux Reilly's opinion.

Expect Faux Reilly and the like to get even more insane as the natural time arrives for sane to no longer deny they have dealt with the devil all these years.

[Neuro]

I don't believe any of it. I don't think there is such a thing as an independent Al Qaeda. It is all a creation of the CIA. Webster Tarpley says it is the CIA's Arab Legion. It is an intelligence fraud. An Army the CIA hires to do a job. Soldiers of fortune. Mercenaries. I'm sure the CIA hired some Al Qaeda to attack US military in Iraq and Afghanistan when things got too quiet, so there would be continued justification for keeping troops there. They hired Al Qaeda to remove Qadafi. Anyone who fears Al Qaeda, fears the CIA.

Al Awlawki, for all we know is a phantom figure. He's in the same category as Adam Gadhan. An Actor. A CIA actor. I don't think they killed him any more than I think they killed Osama Bin Laden. I think Obama needs to tell the world
of his accomplishments, and just to keep the funding for the wars going, so he conjures up some 'results' which are all fake, because there is no evidence of it ever happening. Awlawki may well have been set up as an excuse to justify the government having the right to execute people without trial. He was set up to take away not our freedoms, but protections from the government. I'd like to
see the body.


Hatha
Spot on!

[Son-of-Liberty]

I don't believe any of it. I don't think there is such a thing as an independent Al Qaeda. It is all a creation of the CIA. Webster Tarpley says it is the CIA's Arab Legion. It is an intelligence fraud. An Army the CIA hires to do a job. Soldiers of fortune. Mercenaries. I'm sure the CIA hired some Al Qaeda to attack US military in Iraq and Afghanistan when things got too quiet, so there would be continued justification for keeping troops there. They hired Al Qaeda to remove Qadafi. Anyone who fears Al Qaeda, fears the CIA.

Al Awlawki, for all we know is a phantom figure. He's in the same category as Adam Gadhan. An Actor. A CIA actor. I don't think they killed him any more than I think they killed Osama Bin Laden. I think Obama needs to tell the world of his accomplishments, and just to keep the funding for the wars going, so he conjures up some 'results' which are all fake, because there is no evidence of it ever happening. Awlawki may well have been set up as an excuse to justify the government having the right to execute people without trial. He was set up to take away not our freedoms, but protections from the government. I'd like to see the body.


Hatha

This is pretty much what I have been thinking. Did they actually kill Anwar al-Awkaki to cover their tracks? or did they just say they did it to make Obama look good and let Anwar retire and go play some golf? Or maybe he never existed and was just a boogy man they could blame for one of their many false flags and government sponsored terror.

In the end I don't think it really matters. The only thing that does is that the media is endorsing that it is OK for the president to assassinate whoever he wants. Which is a dangerous precedence.

[Libertytree]

No matter what really happened the precedent has now been set that its alright to target American citizens for assassination without benefit of a trial. Yet another case of them wiping their ass with the Constitution.

[VX1]

Spot on!

I don't think I've ever seen a post from Hatha that wasn't spot-on.

[jimswift]

y'all remember this one?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFBj-epzdo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgFBj-epzdo


There IS a war on for our minds.