proof the internet is working, young person ranting at occupy wall street (great rant

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQow0Fhua1A&feature=player_embedded#at=133

[Large Sarge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQow0Fhua1A&feature=player_embedded#!

[Shami-Amourae]

Wow, someone my age who sounds like me. I love it!

[Santa]

That's what I'm talking about... this guy is taking advantage of a gift.
While it may be that the Occupy Wall Street protest began by questionable means, ie Soros,
this young man is using it for all the right reasons.

[Joe King]

Is that Jerry Springer behind him at 8:05 mark? lol

[Twisted Titan]

Part of the 1% who get it.

if the youth ever start to mimic this man in large numbers it is game over for the zionist overlords

[Ash_Williams]

I wonder if all the protesters went to subway after and used their debit or credit cards to buy a $5 footlong.

[Santa]

I wonder if all the protesters went to subway after and used their debit or credit cards to buy a $5 footlong.

Everyone is a hypocrite. They're essentially forced to be in this current crony corporatist system. You as well.

So what?

[Large Sarge]

I suspect some of you folks are missing the point, this young person (my guess is 18-20 yrs old), is only a couple of years out of the formal govt indoctrination centers we lovingly call "schools", and he has already figured it out (or at least most of it, I heard no good cheap shots against Israel in that rant, but he is young)

think back a decade or more, how many books you would need to read (purchase, or checkout from the library), how many lectures you might have to travel to in order to meet "like minded folks", etc

in short, before the internet, "waking up was a long and very hard path"

thanks to the internet, it has gotten exponentially easier and faster..

thats the lesson here

[DMac]

5 stars for this young man.

SPOT ON! Bump!!

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOkMizZjhBI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOkMizZjhBI

[Joe King]

Everyone is a hypocrite. They're essentially forced to be in this current crony corporatist system. You as well.

So what?
Sorry, but no one is forced to use credit.
Cards, or otherwise.

Forced to use the debt of others? Perhaps.
...but creating your own is a personal choice.

[Santa]

Sorry, but no one is forced to use credit.
Cards, or otherwise.

Forced to use the debt of others? Perhaps.
...but creating your own is a personal choice.

Hmmm, would you agree that the current economic and political situation might more accurately be described as crony corporatism, rather than capitalism?

[Joe King]

Hmmm, would you agree that the current economic and political situation might more accurately be described as crony corporatism, rather than capitalism?Yea I would.....but you still don't have to be a participating member in the expansion of credit. It's purely by choice that one does that.

[Twisted Titan]

Absolute bolderdash...

I didn't even know what fractional reserve lending was until several years ago.

so how the hell can I be held accountable when I have no knoweledge of it?

couple that with the balant suppression of usury and redeemable currency.

please explain how the victim is responsible for their own demise?

[Joe King]

Absolute bolderdash...

I didn't even know what fractional reserve lending was until several years ago.

so how the hell can I be held accountable when I have no knoweledge of it?But you've known since then, yes?
So now that you know, do you continue to play their game? Or do you try making good your past obligations while making sure not to create new obligations?
Edited to add: Everyone needs to start living the change they want to see.



couple that with the balant suppression of usury and redeemable currency.

please explain how the victim is responsible for their own demise?That parts easy.
By not having cared enough to actually understand what it was they were doing in the first place.

[Twisted Titan]

What type of mental gymnastics are using to justify this insanity?

so when a couple who bought the line " by as much house as you can afford"

when they realize the money was never there until they created it with their signature

when they realize that money is a fiction and what they debt holders are really after is control

you should still pay your obligation whichh in essence makes your enemy even stronger?

[Joe King]

What type of mental gymnastics are using to justify this insanity?

so when a couple who bought the line " by as much house as you can afford"

when they realize the money was never there until they created it with their signature

when they realize that money is a fiction and what they debt holders are really after is control

you should still pay your obligation whichh in essence makes your enemy even stronger?

I'm just sayin' that people need to do what they think right based upon their own principles. I'm not saying that people who did something due to their ignorance of the reality of the situation should have it held against them. Just that once they know what's up, quit helping it along any further.

I'm assuming that people can actually pay for what they've bought on credit based upon their own future earnings.
You repay in kind.
ie with the same FRN you borrowed into existence.

You have to remember that when you borrow "money" today, that yes, it is created by your sig on the note.
What that "money" that's created represents is nothing more than your own future earnings that you haven't earned yet.
Then you spend those newly created "dollars" that you have not earned yet into circulation so that it is avaliable for you to then re-gain via your sweat.
In the meantime, those "dollars" you created are out there somewhere being passed around like the uncashable two party checks they actually are.

Once you go turn your sweat back into FRNs and re-pay those "dollars" you borrowed into existence, they go back into the thin air from whence they came.
....and then if the under lying deposits that made the fractionaly reserved loan possible still exist, it's repeated for the next person who steps up to the loan window and asks for an application. Times that cycle by many million times and you have an economy that is full of credit as "money" in sufficient quantity for business to be conducted. The bank lives off the interest, which it also spends so that it is avaliable to be re-earned.

Our "problem" now is that we have reached a point where we have more people still trying to make payments with that credit "money" than there are stepping up to the window asking for their future earnings now in order to replenish the credit "money" that people use.

So I guess my whole point was that because the end-game situation will be mass foreclosure, you want to stop sucking the teat of bank credit as early as possible so hopefully it won't be you struggling to make lots of payments that can't be made and losing your stuff.
ie get out of debt early and often.



Also, I use the term "FRN" loosely because the actual paper ones are only issued to account holders or those cashing checks who demand physical representation of their credit. So if no one ever asked for cash and only used electronic transfer, checks, and debit/credit cards, we'd already have a cashless society.
...and yes, I realize that if everyone did what I propose that everything would come to a screeching halt....but what better time to fix it?

Compare our problem in this country to having a flat tire on your vehicle.
When you are happily rollin' along and you get a flat, do you just keep driving along? Or do you stop and fix it?
You could drive on the rim and still get down the road, we all know that.
...but do you really want to? Ruin the rim? Or fix the tire?

I liken our situation to our gov and banking system having gotten a flat tire years ago and most people were content to keep going while turning up the radio to cover the sound of the flat tire. Over the years we've gotten 3 more flats and more people are slowly noticing that the radio can no longer hide the noise of what is now all four rims on the concrete.

[Son-of-Liberty]

That parts easy.
By not having cared enough to actually understand what it was they were doing in the first place.

I really disagree. The entire education system and mainstream media deliberately steer us away from the truth. They use mind control techniques to create negative emotional associations to the truth. It isn't that people don't care to know (well maybe a few don't) what is actually going on it is that they are being kept from it. If not for the right set of circumstances that give you a glimpse behind the curtain most of us here would still be unaware.

I read dozens of books on economics and investing when I was younger and never came across fractional reserve banking until after a friend clued me in to the 9/11 hoax. If there wasn't a deliberate suppression of the truth I would have been taught this stuff in high school and my decisions in life would have been greatly affected.

That said now that I do know, I do not use debt.

[Joe King]

I really disagree. The entire education system and mainstream media deliberately steer us away from the truth. They use mind control techniques to create negative emotional associations to the truth. It isn't that people don't care to know (well maybe a few don't) what is actually going on it is that they are being kept from it. If not for the right set of circumstances that give you a glimpse behind the curtain most of us here would still be unaware.IMHO, it comes down to the fact that people were or are, as the case may be, willing to allow others to make their legal determinations for them, as opposed to wanting to find out for themselves.
That is a willful choice, my friend.




I read dozens of books on economics and investing when I was younger and never came across fractional reserve banking until after a friend clued me in to the 9/11 hoax. If there wasn't a deliberate suppression of the truth I would have been taught this stuff in high school and my decisions in life would have been greatly affected.How was I able to find it out many years prior to you then, if it were truly suppressed? The information is freely avaliable for those that care to know.

In fact, I just pulled out my old Funk and Wagnells New Encyclopedia 1983 edition that I just happen to have handy.

I am reading it right now as I type and under "Banking" it tells quite clearly about how the goldsmiths lent out more claim strips for more gold than they had and how this fractional-reserve banking remains the basis for present day operations.



Two Charistics of this early fractional reserve banking remain for present day operations.
First, the banking system's monetary liabilities exceed its reserves. This feature was responsible in part for Western industrialization, and it still remains important for ecenomic expansion. The excessive creation of money however, may lead to inflation.
Second, liabilities of the banks {deposits and borrowed money} are more liquid - that is, more readily convertable to cash - than are the assets {loans and investments} included on the banks balance sheets.
This charistic enables consumers, businesses, and governments to finance activities that otherwise would be deferred or cancelled; however, it underlies banking's recurrent liquidity crises.
When depositors en messe request payment, the inability of the banking system to respond because it lacks sufficient liquidity means that banks must either renege on their promises to pay or pay until they fail.

I knew this before I was ten because I had read it in the Encyclopedia we had when I was a kid.
...and if we hadn't had one, the school did. So did the local public library.

I can even go one better than that. I remember learning in 7th grade govt class about the transition from Common Law due its perceived harshness. I'll admit that I didn't fully grasp the idea at the time, nor its implications, but it helped later when a light came on and pieces started fitting together and I could think back and say to myself, oh, so that's what she was talking about.

IMO, the info is out there for those that seek it.



That said now that I do know, I do not use debt.That's all I'd really ask of anyone.

[Twisted Titan]

So you were awakend in the 7th grade?

you were fortunate that dumafication of education was not yet complete at that time

you had a studyroom in your house?

contrast that with those that don't know where their next meal is going to come from due tell us what books should be read then

you could have gone to the libary?

contrast that with no acess to said facilities because of circumstance beyond oness control





All in all JK it boils down to this:


You were lucky you. didn't draw the short straw

as this system is set up that 99% will go from cradle to grave never figuring out the great mystery of how to make money the Useful servant it was intended to be rather the Cruel Task master it is today.

You would be wise to remeber nothing seperates you with all the wealth and knoweledge have you today from the ignorant pesant who labors in a posion filled mine so that he can earn enough yeild to feed his family. save for whatever God you worship decided not to make his place,station and circumstance in life your own.



Be mindful when you speak of the less knoweledable in demeaning terms.......

[Son-of-Liberty]

I can even go one better than that. I remember learning in 7th grade govt class about the transition from Common Law due its perceived harshness. I'll admit that I didn't fully grasp the idea at the time, nor its implications, but it helped later when a light came on and pieces started fitting together and I could think back and say to myself, oh, so that's what she was talking about.

IMO, the info is out there for those that seek it.


The Info is there to find, but nobody is going to educate you on these matters. My parents should have been the ones to teach me this stuff but they didn't know either. I had to teach them what fractional banking was and the implications of it. They went 50 years without a clue and I don't blame them. It was society, the media, and the educational system that failed them. Not a lack of willingness to learn the truth.

So if I hadn't have stumbled upon truth and been in the right frame of mind to recognize it they too would be in the dark.

[sirgonzo420]

Son-of-Liberty, I think it boils down to: "you don't know what you don't know".

Also, people are less likely to look for the truth if they don't realize that they *should* be seeking the truth... (perhaps they are content with the world as it is presented to them).

Luckily, I was born knowing everything.

[Santa]

The assumption that people are only individuals is a half truth.

"No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as a manor of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."

[Santa]

The assumption that people are only individuals is a half truth.

What's the word for speaking half truth and then claiming it to be whole truth?

Oh yeah, that's right, I remember now. It's called Hypocrisy.

[sirgonzo420]

What's the word for speaking half truth and then claiming it to be whole truth?

Oh yeah, that's right, I remember now. It's called Hypocrisy.

In today's world, one might think it's called "regular speech".

[Santa]

The rulers hold a great banquet, a fabulous catered feast. They invite everyone. They say up front not to worry about payment,
there's plenty for everyone. Just please sign the guest list.

At the end of the great feast, while you wake and begin to depart as if from Thanksgiving Dinner, you're met by
a gang of fat jowled men in suits that tell you that you owe for all the wonderful food and drink.

Shocked and dismayed, you balk and say, "no, that cannot be, no one told us that at the beginning of the line."

The fat jowled men in suits then show you your signature on the guest list that states in small print on another page, in addendum, in another language, that you in fact signed the paper that states you now owe a percentage of everything you have ever earned, now and into the future forever, for the enjoyable privilege of having feasted at the banquet table.

The fat men in suits then say to you, as they poke you in your gas bloated solar plexus, "You don't really expect to walk out of here without helping to pay for this great feast that you partook in, do you? That would be "selfish" and would place the burden on the other guests, now wouldn't it?"

"But that's fraud," you shout.

No, dumbass, didn't you see the contractual conditions posted right outside on the light pole as you entered the premises, plain as day, as is required by law. We even published the conditions in the newspaper, in the legal section, years before the banquet began, for you to read and study.

No, sorry, but you owe us. Now, if you sign this paper, we won't tase you and drag you off to debtors prison... just to show how humane and reasonable we are.

"But what does that paper say?," you ask incredulously.

This? This is just an automatic payment plan designed for your convenience, which will automatically deduct your payment that's automatically wired to us by your employer who's already a subsidiary member of our central State Banking committee.

"But this is almost as much as I earn. How am I supposed to feed my children, or for gas, or for all my household needs?"

Is it? Well, perhaps we might be able to offer you a loan. Here's the number to our loan officer. Of course, we leave it all up to you. It's your choice. This IS a free Country, after all.

[Santa]

In today's world, one might think it's called "regular speech".

Yep, and that was my point to begin with. :)

[sirgonzo420]

The rulers hold a great banquet, a fabulous catered feast. They invite everyone. They say up front not to worry about payment,
there's plenty for everyone. Just please sign the guest list.

At the end of the great feast, while you wake and begin to depart as if from Thanksgiving Dinner, you're met by
a gang of fat jowled men in suits that tell you that you owe for all the wonderful food and drink.

Shocked and dismayed, you balk and say, "no, that cannot be, no one told us that at the beginning of the line."

The fat jowled men in suits then show you your signature on the guest list that states in small print on another page, in addendum, in another language, that you in fact signed the paper that states you now owe a percentage of everything you have ever earned, now and into the future forever, for the enjoyable privilege of having feasted at the banquet table.

The fat men in suits then say to you, as they poke you in your gas bloated solar plexus, "You don't really expect to walk out of here without helping to pay for this great feast that you partook in, do you? That would be "selfish" and would place the burden on the other guests, now wouldn't it?"

"But that's fraud," you shout.

No, dumbass, didn't you see the contractual conditions posted right outside on the light pole as you entered the premises, plain as day, as is required by law. We even published the conditions in the newspaper, in the legal section, years before the banquet began, for you to read and study.

No, sorry, but you owe us. Now, if you sign this paper, we won't tase you and drag you off to debtors prison... just to show how humane and reasonable we are.

"But what does that paper say?," you ask incredulously.

This? This is just an automatic payment plan designed for your convenience, which will automatically deduct your payment that's automatically wired to us by your employer who's already a subsidiary member of our central State Banking committee.

"But this is almost as much as I earn. How am I supposed to feed my children, or for gas, or for all my household needs?"

Is it? Well, perhaps we might be able to offer you a loan. Here's the number to our loan officer. Of course, we leave it all up to you. It's your choice. This IS a free Country, after all.




Santa's clarity

shines through for us once again

isn't it super?

[Santa]

One man pointing to all the others in mockery
On the whole, in the bigger picture,

Is the spitting image of hypocrisy.

[Santa]

Yea I would.....but you still don't have to be a participating member in the expansion of credit. It's purely by choice that one does that.

A choice comes from a series of events. A choice is not an isolated incident.

An individuals actions are predicated in large degree, on the individuals environment at large.
And as you agree, society writ large is no longer, if ever, free. We live in a corporatocracy. A wholly owned subsidiary
of the parent corporation, Babel Inc.
We ride upon the beast of Babylon as it carries us off to hell.

It appears that our choice is but to hang onto the beast or to let go.

Just let go, you say. Just let go...

And I say, OK, you go first.

Haha... but you won't. You won't go.

And if you say to me that you've already jumped,
that you have escaped and are free because of your intelligent superiority,

Well, I guess all I can say is, "I Don't think so. I'm just barely hanging onto the ass of the beast, and if you had already jumped and were free, you wouldn't be here chatting with me."

It has been said there's another way,
but I'll leave that for another day.

[Joe King]

So you were awakend in the 7th grade?No. I said that I remembered it having been taught. I didn't really grasp it fully at the time.
I just remember it well because I paid extra attention in that class due to it having been taught by the first "hot" teacher I ever had. :)
Up until then, they'd all been the old lady type of teacher who always seemed to be crabby and mad as hell at everyone. lol
As example, in 5th grade I probably got paddled every other day by ol' baggy bones....as she was known as by the kids. lol



you were fortunate that dumafication of education was not yet complete at that timePerhaps, but it was already pretty dumbed down by then, even.



you had a studyroom in your house?No, I said we had an Encyclopedia set....and I used it for homework and such. I also would sometimes look through them when I was bored and read about whatever I happened to find interesting.
When I was young, I was that kid that drives adults nutz by constantly asking questions. Why this? Why that? Why not? Why do I hafta do.......? All I wanted to know, is "why". lol

As far as the fractional reserve banking thing, I asked my mom how they could pay me to hold my "money" {I thought it was all just stacked in the vault for safekeeping} and that's when she told me they lent my "money" out to others and paid me a lil' bit of the interest they received. That was my first real inkling of it and I read the rest in the Encyclopedia.

At the time I didn't fully grasp it and just assumed it was ok. It wasn't until several years later that I was able to put all the pieces together into a "big picture" kinda thing.
That also included many days spent looking things up and reading at the law library later in life.
Education is something you must choose to aquire. If you are waiting for others to force you to learn, you are not going to learn anything other than the fact that you don't like being forced to learn stuff you aren't interested in.



contrast that with those that don't know where their next meal is going to come from due tell us what books should be read thenI'm not holding anything against anyone. I just feel that it's natural to want to know how the World actually works and have a hard time understanding those who don't.


you could have gone to the libary?Of course. Couldn't you? I assumed that most towns have a library. Don't all schools too?
In librarys you will typically find Encyclopedias.



contrast that with no acess to said facilities because of circumstance beyond oness controlAs I said, I'm not holding anything against anyone who didn't actually have access, just those that did, but didn't care enough to even begin to try to find out.




All in all JK it boils down to this:

You were lucky you. didn't draw the short strawMine wasn't exactly a long straw either. There's lots of folks who've done waaaay better than me. Likely quite a few on this very forum.



as this system is set up that 99% will go from cradle to grave never figuring out the great mystery of how to make money the Useful servant it was intended to be rather the Cruel Task master it is today.

You would be wise to remeber nothing seperates you with all the wealth and knoweledge have you today from the ignorant pesant who labors in a posion filled mine so that he can earn enough yeild to feed his family. save for whatever God you worship decided not to make his place,station and circumstance in life your own.

Be mindful when you speak of the less knoweledable in demeaning terms.......I thought I do. The only thing I expect from others is for them to want to know what they're doing, signing, saying, or anything else they do.
...and once a new set of data is aquired that destroys previously held truths, you abandon the old to go with the new.

[Joe King]

The rulers hold a great banquet, a fabulous catered feast. They invite everyone. They say up front not to worry about payment,
there's plenty for everyone. Just please sign the guest list.

At the end of the great feast, while you wake and begin to depart as if from Thanksgiving Dinner, you're met by
a gang of fat jowled men in suits that tell you that you owe for all the wonderful food and drink.

Shocked and dismayed, you balk and say, "no, that cannot be, no one told us that at the beginning of the line."

The fat jowled men in suits then show you your signature on the guest list that states in small print on another page, in addendum, in another language, that you in fact signed the paper that states you now owe a percentage of everything you have ever earned, now and into the future forever, for the enjoyable privilege of having feasted at the banquet table.

The fat men in suits then say to you, as they poke you in your gas bloated solar plexus, "You don't really expect to walk out of here without helping to pay for this great feast that you partook in, do you? That would be "selfish" and would place the burden on the other guests, now wouldn't it?"

"But that's fraud," you shout.

No, dumbass, didn't you see the contractual conditions posted right outside on the light pole as you entered the premises, plain as day, as is required by law. We even published the conditions in the newspaper, in the legal section, years before the banquet began, for you to read and study.

No, sorry, but you owe us. Now, if you sign this paper, we won't tase you and drag you off to debtors prison... just to show how humane and reasonable we are.

"But what does that paper say?," you ask incredulously.

This? This is just an automatic payment plan designed for your convenience, which will automatically deduct your payment that's automatically wired to us by your employer who's already a subsidiary member of our central State Banking committee.

"But this is almost as much as I earn. How am I supposed to feed my children, or for gas, or for all my household needs?"

Is it? Well, perhaps we might be able to offer you a loan. Here's the number to our loan officer. Of course, we leave it all up to you. It's your choice. This IS a free Country, after all.

Nice story, but that's not how it is. Show me where the gov ever said there is a "free lunch".
It's always been tied to the paying part.
As example, does anyone here think that when they signed up for SS that it didn't require paying in?

[Joe King]

Son-of-Liberty, I think it boils down to: "you don't know what you don't know".

Also, people are less likely to look for the truth if they don't realize that they *should* be seeking the truth... (perhaps they are content with the world as it is presented to them).That's exactly it. They were content in allowing others to provide the answers to their questions and were content in stopping there.
ie if you ask one of the herd to tell you how the herd works, you will get the answer that allows you to become a member of the herd.

[Twisted Titan]

Nice story, but that's not how it is. Show me where the gov ever said there is a "free lunch".
It's always been tied to the paying part.
As example, does anyone here think that when they signed up for SS that it didn't require paying in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Joe King]

That's not the gov saying it, but rather just one of the deluded souls that populate this planet.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUm8M_PG0XI
Here's his YouTube, though he hasn't posted anything:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cptnmidnite

[PatColo]

At least the guy in the OP uploaded his rant to youtube; coz his shouting in the middle of the crowd just reached the people within earshot, and maybe not even then.

John Friend got up in San Diego and said end the fed, & izzy did 911, and....... the fake protesters got all upset at the latter... lol, 2 mins:

John Friend addressing Occupy San Diego- booed by fascists and shills (http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/john-friend-addressing-occupy-san-diego-booed-by-fascists-and-shills/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-XdpTxOnk

[Large Sarge]

criticism of Israel causes such a visceral reaction in some folks....

"holy land"

all that brainwashing by rev hagee is paying off...

"criticize Israel and goto hell"

that lady at the end was ready to attack him, for telling everyone the truth

[Joe King]

Thanks, I was unaware of that. But it seems that he had some sort of organizational responsibility there.
I don't think he was protecting the mans right to speak. He was preventing her from causing problems by doing something that might bring more "tea party" types out.I just saw that he was preventing her from trying to interfer with him while he was trying to speak. Seemed like he was trying to be fair if by his own arm gestures he didn't agree with what the guy was saying. If that were the case, he could have easily let the girl keep poking her stick at the guy. It takes principle to disagree with someone while also defending their Right to say it.