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Serpo
6th October 2011, 03:12 PM
Why You Should Avoid Cooking With Olive Oil!

6/10/2011 11:44



Avoid cooking with unsaturated fats like olive, canola and grapeseed oil

You’ve probably heard that you should fry with grapeseed oil and sauté with olive oil because they have the highest smoke points, right? Well although those smoke points are correct, this has nothing to do with the actual safety of cooking with these oils. You see, heating unsaturated fats like olive, canola and grapeseed damages their omega fatty acids by changing their molecular structure to a point where they become bad for our health.

Smoke point of various oils:
Ghee, 485F
Canola, 425F
Grapeseed, 425F
Coconut, 350F
Butter, 350F
Olive, 325F
Flax, 225F


Saturated fats like coconut oil and butter are best for cooking

For those who have been following my story, I have gone back to school to study holistic nutrition at the Institute for Holistic Nutrition. After finishing my biochemistry final yesterday, our biochem professor gave us a lecture on cooking oils. Here is what we learned.

Choose saturated fats for cooking, not unsaturated:

In order to understand which fats or oils to cook with, you need to look at their molecular structure and whether or not they contain double bonds. I will spare you from this biochemistry and give you the answer.

Saturated fats contain no double bonds so are not sensitive to heat, light or oxygen and are less likely to create free radicals when heated. Thus, coconut oil and butter are the best fats to cook with. This said, you should still not be frying with them because that is just wrong from a health perspective. I’m saying that they are the most resistant to the heat needed to cook food. Fried food is not food, period!

Unsaturated fats (vegetable oils) are very sensitive to heat, light and oxygen so heating them up will change their molecular structure and thus turn them into free radicals which damage our cells. Monounsaturated fats like olive oil only contain one double bond so are a little more resistant to heat than polyunsaturated fats like canola, grapeseed and sesame, but they should still be avoided for cooking. They should only be used to top a dish afterwards or create a vinaigrette.

What about social situations?

Does this mean you will die if you eat a meal cooked with olive oil at your friend’s house or a restaurant? No. But I am saying that you want to limit free radical damage to your body which leads to degenerative disease and cancer over time, so lessening your exposure to them is a good idea.





Coconut oil is sold at room temperature and great for cooking

What if I’m lactose intolerant or vegan?

You can also cook with ghee which is clarified butter and has had all the milk products removed. I believe this is ok for lactose intolerant people. As for vegans or strict vegetarians, it looks like coconut oil is the only option. I’ve heard it’s great for Asian dishes but you can still use it for Mediterranean type dishes with onions and garlic.

But isn’t butter bad for you and what if I have high cholesterol?

Cooking with an oil that is not meant to be heated is worse and potentially carcinogenic (causes cancer) because of the free radical damage it will do to your body. You need a fat that can withstand heat and not change chemically when it is heated.

As for cholesterol, contrary to popular belief, there is no evidence that high cholesterol is caused by diet, it is caused by free radical damage to the cells in the body so cooking with butter will not raise it. That said, you should still not be eating foods like red meat and pork, but not because of the cholesterol they contain, because they are hard on the body and generally contain a lot of toxins and preservatives.

If you want to reduce free radical damage in your body, limit your exposure to them and eat more unprocessed, organic fruits and vegetables, which are high in antioxidants and attack free radicals.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1191/806/Why_You_Should_Avoid_Cooking_With_Olive_Oil.html

Neuro
6th October 2011, 03:18 PM
Lard is not mentioned...

Heimdhal
6th October 2011, 03:21 PM
while I do recomend coconut oil for cooking, Im tossing out the BS flag on this. I too had to take ungodly sums of nutrition when I was in culinary school. I certainly dont side with most "Modern" teachings, but Im not a full blown hippie vegan either.


Should FRY with olive oil? No. It is ill suited for that. Sauteeing, baking and lightly heating? Yes. If you're reaching the smoke point of ANY fat you are using, youre WAY over cooking your food anyways (Unless deep frying, which is different all together). Over cooking your food is far worse for nutritional content then the type of oil you use.

We use olive and coconut oils almost exclusivley, with butter as a close second and rendered lard behind that. Rarley do we use veg or corn oils and NEVER thigns like rapeseed-grapeseed-sunflower-flaxseed oils.

In all cooking, minimal heating is best. Slow cooking and smoking are the absolute best for retaining nutrition value in cooked foods.

But, this is just my opinion from my own epxeriences and learnings. Take it for what its worth (not much) :)

Serpo
6th October 2011, 03:37 PM
Lard is not mentioned...
sATURATED FAT .....GO FOR IT

ximmy
6th October 2011, 03:40 PM
I've been using grape seed oil. I doesn't leave an aftertaste or oil sheen... I like it!! :p

vacuum
6th October 2011, 03:57 PM
Most likely the shorter fat chains in coconut oil also contribute to less molecular damage from heat, in addition to the fact that it's saturated.

Horn
6th October 2011, 03:58 PM
I've been using olive oil by the gallon to fry 100% pork fat sausages, I'm practicing "opposite end spectrum diet" which makes me impervious to free radicals.

hoarder
6th October 2011, 04:26 PM
I've been using olive oil by the gallon to fry 100% pork fat sausages, I'm practicing "opposite end spectrum diet" which makes me impervious to free radicals.I have to ask, did you do a lot of acid in the seventies?

ximmy
6th October 2011, 04:29 PM
I have to ask, did you do a lot of acid in the seventies?

"He was part of the Free Speech movement at Berkeley. I think he did a little too much LDS"

Korbin Dallas
6th October 2011, 04:41 PM
Lard is not mentioned...

What does Governer Chris Christie have to do with this? :)

Horn
6th October 2011, 04:55 PM
I have to ask, did you do a lot of acid in the seventies?

You have to start at a young age, the longer you wait the less chance you have at successful free radical rejection.

Buddha
6th October 2011, 05:50 PM
"He was part of the Free Speech movement at Berkeley. I think he did a little too much LDS"

Ok, the next drug I will try is Mormonism. I'll start a thread about it on my next off day. This is gonna get wild.

joboo
6th October 2011, 05:51 PM
Free radicals are living the life. All free, and radical, and partying inside of us making our heads hurt trying to come up with new ways to overthrow their free radical lifestyle.


Those bastards...

lapis
6th October 2011, 11:46 PM
Lard is not mentioned...

That's because it has this embarrassing secret: it contains around 50% monounsaturated fatty acids, the so-called "good" healthy fat that "they" tell you is so wonderful....when it's in olive oil. :P

basplaer
7th October 2011, 12:05 AM
Mmmm, tallow...

Mouse
7th October 2011, 12:57 AM
Well, just for fun.... what if there were any actual facts in this story. That would really help out. They have shown us what are purported to be the smoking point temp of many common cooking oils. I am reaching for facts to help me understand why olive oil is bad? I love butter and lard, but please, some facts would be good.

Neuro
7th October 2011, 02:49 AM
Well, just for fun.... what if there were any actual facts in this story. That would really help out. They have shown us what are purported to be the smoking point temp of many common cooking oils. I am reaching for facts to help me understand why olive oil is bad? I love butter and lard, but please, some facts would be good.

Yes, it doesn't make sense, as stated in the article mono-unsaturated fats are better than poly-unsaturated fats due to their stability for frying. It shouldn't have been singled out as the worst to fry in especially since not many use it for frying...

LastResort
7th October 2011, 04:13 AM
I cook my eggs every morning in a mixture of coconut oil and butter. I find its the best lube to use in my stainless frying pan.

undgrd
7th October 2011, 05:49 AM
Hey Heimdhal

I currently use a light coating of olive oil on steaks before grilling to keep them from sticking. Would there be another product you'd recommend other than olive oil for that purpose?

Shami-Amourae
7th October 2011, 06:09 AM
Lard all the way. I don't throw out fat when I butcher meat cuts, I save it in the freezer, and all the bones (for stock.) I use it all, one way or another.

Tumbleweed
7th October 2011, 06:13 AM
I fry everything in coconut oil and I like it. Whenever someone starts telling you to avoid read meat because it's unhealthy and eat more vegetables they're full of bullshit and not telling the truth.

Shami-Amourae
7th October 2011, 06:27 AM
What kind of coconut oils do you guys fry in? All the coconut oil I've had hasn't had a neutral flavor. Currently I use peanut for frying heavy things like fried chicken, and vegetable oil for chips/taco shells.

Shorty Harris
7th October 2011, 06:41 AM
I am currently using "LouAna" Brand pure coconut oil. When cold it has an almost hard, stiff consistency, Like wax lol. But will obviously melt to a liquid when heated. Good stuff & have no probs with it thus far.

Old Herb Lady
7th October 2011, 07:08 AM
I fry everything in coconut oil and I like it. Whenever someone starts telling you to avoid read meat because it's unhealthy and eat more vegetables they're full of bullshit and not telling the truth.

Stay away from red meat & eat more veggies. (wink)

Just low heat foods ! a little butter & a little olive oil mix ! Dee-lish !

All the fry cooks here are gonna end up with nasty bowel disease problems guar-on-teed.

Don't take my word for it, the future will tell !

Just sayin' . HUG

horseshoe3
7th October 2011, 07:26 AM
That said, you should still not be eating foods like red meat and pork, but not because of the cholesterol they contain, because they are hard on the body and generally contain a lot of toxins and preservatives.


You really should add the disclaimer that you are talking about factory produced meat. The meat I raise and eat has no toxins or preservatives. Next to milk, red meat is the most complete and nutrient dense food you can eat.

Tumbleweed
7th October 2011, 07:34 AM
I use Nutiva coconut oil that came in a five gallon bucket. It's snowy white and has a really nice smell and flavor to it. I use a cast iron skillet to fry bell peppers, onions, yellow sqaush and anahiem or hallopeno peppers up with a steak. I fry the meat about five minutes then turn it over and shut the heat off. I can keep up with guys 35 and 40 years old and I'm sixty and I notice the same thing with others my age who are meat eaters. The weakest and most unhealthy people I see are those who avoid red meat and eat alot of vegatables and flour.

I don't know anyone with with bowel desease caused by eating red meat Old Herb Lady and I'm surrounded by meat eaters.

Son-of-Liberty
7th October 2011, 07:46 AM
I agree with the article the OP posted other then his comment about avoiding meat. Factory farmed meat is junk but grassfed beef and pastured poultry and eggs are extremely healthy.

I cook with coconut (nutiva), butter and ghee. Save the olive oil (extra virgin) for salad dressings and stuff like that. It is very healthy just not suitable for cooking.

Heimdhal
7th October 2011, 07:55 AM
Hey Heimdhal

I currently use a light coating of olive oil on steaks before grilling to keep them from sticking. Would there be another product you'd recommend other than olive oil for that purpose?

Thats fine, we do it too. I do use a little veg oil (because its cheap) when I grill but instead of putting it on the steak, I rub a light coat on the grill grates itself. This will season it over time.

I wouldnt recomend using olive oil directly on the grates because then it WILL reach its smoke point (as grilling is high heat), but putting it on the steak itself, or in a marinade is perfectly fine and is the basis for most of our marinades.


We also use veg oil or coconut oil to season our cast iron, as olive oil isnt well suited for that either.

undgrd
7th October 2011, 08:36 AM
My current cast iron grates are shot. Will be getting new ones soon and will season properly.

Thanks for the reply!