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Glass
6th October 2011, 05:33 PM
BBC Does It Again: "In The Absence Of A Credible Plan We Will Have A Global Financial Meltdown In Two To Three Weeks" - IMF Advisor

A week after the BBC exploded Alessio Rastani to the stage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bbc-speechless-trader-tells-truth-collapse-comingand-goldman-rules-world), it has just done it all over again. In an interview with IMF advisor Robert Shapiro, the bailout expert has pretty much said what, once again, is on everyone's mind: "If they can not address [the financial crisis] in a credible way I believe within perhaps 2 to 3 weeks we will have a meltdown in sovereign debt which will produce a meltdown across the European banking system. We are not just talking about a relatively small Belgian bank, we are talking about the largest banks in the world, the largest banks in Germany, the largest banks in France, that will spread to the United Kingdom, it will spread everywhere because the global financial system is so interconnected. All those banks are counterparties to every significant bank in the United States, and in Britain, and in Japan, and around the world. This would be a crisis that would be in my view more serrious than the crisis in 2008.... What we don't know the state of credit default swaps held by banks against sovereign debt and against European banks, nor do we know the state of CDS held by British banks, nor are we certain of how certain the exposure of British banks is to the Ireland sovereign debt problems."

But no, Morgan Stanley does, or so they swear an unlimited number of times each day. And they say not to worry about anything because, you see, it is not like they have any upside in telling anyone the truth. Which is why for everyone hung up on the latest rumor of a plan about a plan about a plan spread by a newspaper whose very viability is tied in with that of the banks that pay for its advertising revenue, we have one thing to ask: "show us the actual plan please."

Because it is easy to say "recapitalize" this, and "bad bank" that. In practice, it is next to impossible. So yes, ladies and gentlemen, enjoy this brief relief rally driven by the fact that China is offline for the week and that the persistent source of overnight selling on Chinese "hard/crash landing" concerns has been gone simply due to an extended national holiday. Well, that holiday is coming to an end.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UGDTtqklSo&feature=player_embedded

Don't know about this guy but ZH thinks he doesn't tow the line.

From Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bbc-does-it-again-absence-credible-plan-we-will-have-global-financial-meltdown-two-three-weeks-)

Neuro
6th October 2011, 05:43 PM
This is pretty similar to what my patient, a top executive at a Turkish bank, who attended the IMF meeting in Washington a couple of weeks said:

THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS!

cortez
6th October 2011, 05:45 PM
awesome!!

Glass
6th October 2011, 06:07 PM
interesting from the Lady at about the half way point. If, if, if & if AND Spain and Italy are far worse than Greece which has all of them completely tied up in knots. If they can't deal with the smallest of the country problems then.......

gunDriller
6th October 2011, 06:57 PM
This is pretty similar to what my patient, a top executive at a Turkish bank, who attended the IMF meeting in Washington a couple of weeks said:

THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS!

i thought the basic plan is, print money as necessary to maintain the illusion of a civil society.

but that interview with Shapiro is good - i like it when people tell the truth.


i think one of the reasons they're having a problem is, all the banks are afraid to say how indebted & screwed up they actually are. partially because they don't know exactly, because of counterparty risk and because of differing approaches to accounting (mark to market vs. mark to daydream).

if one bank would just say, "we need 200 Billion Euro's, yes it's that bad", or Europe would say, "we need 10 Trillion Euro's to maintain liquidy and keep the system from crashing, yes it's that bad" ... i think that might help. of course that's the kind of situation that is prone to abuse.


if they just print a WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY on both sides of the Atlantic & Pacific ... yes sugar might go to $6 for 5 pounds here in the US, twice that in Finland ... people would still have money for their sugar for their coffee & tea ... which reduces the Riot Quotient.


in short - i think MAYBE it's obvious what they need to to - they're just afraid to say it.

Cebu_4_2
6th October 2011, 09:20 PM
You know I have though about this a lot and after looking at all the angles I smoked a fattie. So what? I don't like the banksters, they cause a big mess. So we have a global financial meltdown. What does that mean really, paper is no longer money and whoever holds a LOT of paper will get burned right? Well I don't hold a lot of paper and neither does anyone I know, so back to my point (of no point probably)... So what? Fuk the banksters, sounds to me they will get burned the most, and when it all comes crashing down we wont be able to use paper for a while. Unless there is new paper but that would need backing or it just wont work, at least shorter term.

So what? Why are we propping up bogus paper banksters? Wall street and the financials go bubye, okay right? So fucking what? Banks are not very important to quite a few people, what will happen they take every ones homes, Oops they already are doing that. I guess the big boys will need to beat on each other for a while and in the mean time maybe these countries reset without the criminals..

Ok I'm done.

So what?

ximmy
6th October 2011, 09:28 PM
We need to start reading between the lies... They are concerned about losing countless profit. The banks aren't going anywhere unless "we the people" find an alternative trading currency... perhaps some sort of a trade unit round...

Joe King
6th October 2011, 09:30 PM
if they just print a WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY on both sides of the Atlantic & Pacific ... yes sugar might go to $6 for 5 pounds here in the US, twice that in Finland ... people would still have money for their sugar for their coffee & tea ... which reduces the Riot Quotient.


in short - i think MAYBE it's obvious what they need to to - they're just afraid to say it. .What if they were to secretly start padding everyones bank accounts? If they even noticed, do you think anyone would say anything? lol

Joe King
6th October 2011, 09:37 PM
We need to start reading between the lies... They are concerned about losing countless profit. The banks aren't going anywhere unless "we the people" find an alternative trading currency... perhaps some sort of a trade unit round...

You mean like one of these, perhaps?

Pic by TomD {I hope you don't mind me borrowing it, Tom. I couldn't find one any better}

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x229/TomD77/_DSC1097.jpg

Book
6th October 2011, 09:38 PM
You know I have though about this a lot and after looking at all the angles I smoked a fattie.

::)

Jackie did it and you know it!




...

Cebu_4_2
6th October 2011, 09:46 PM
I'm glad you finally got it!

madfranks
6th October 2011, 11:09 PM
Welcome back Book, I was wondering if I'd ever figuratively see your face again.

Sparky
6th October 2011, 11:19 PM
We need to start reading between the lies... They are concerned about losing countless profit. The banks aren't going anywhere unless "we the people" find an alternative trading currency... perhaps some sort of a trade unit round...
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keehah
7th October 2011, 01:02 PM
Perhaps Book finds us too boring to hang out with without Antonio.

"Global Meltdown in 2 - 3 weeks [Oct-Nov 2011]"
Thats what halfpasthuman has been saying.

Neuro
7th October 2011, 02:04 PM
Perhaps Book finds us too boring to hang out with without Antonio.

"Global Meltdown in 2 - 3 weeks [Oct-Nov 2011]"
Thats what halfpasthuman has been saying.
This forum needs a Stalinist, halfpasthuman base it on the webbots no?

Eyebone
7th October 2011, 02:36 PM
I thought this was pretty interesting..

"Because it is easy to say "recapitalize" this, and "bad bank" that. In practice, it is next to impossible. So yes, ladies and gentlemen, enjoy this brief relief rally driven by the fact that China is offline for the week and that the persistent source of overnight selling on Chinese "hard/crash landing" concerns has been gone simply due to an extended national holiday. Well, that holiday is coming to an end".

Is he talking about this week?