Billboard flying into NYC to Occupy Wall Street.

[BillBoard]

I am flying into NYC tomorrow morning at 4AM. Should be at Wall Street by 6AM. See those of you that can make it there tomorrow!

[BillBoard]

http://twitter.com/#!/BillBoard8

[LuckyStrike]

Good luck, can't wait to get some actual on the ground reports.

[Serpo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Shocking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html#ixzz1aDd5xx4e

[madfranks]

Good luck, but be prepared to butt heads with some really ignorant folks.

[gunDriller]

Give them the finger for me and watch out for Tony Bologna.

You should get a Freedom Fighter Award too !

If you can find a way to use the Goldman Lobby as a latrine without getting arrested, I say go for it.

[midnight rambler]

You should get a Freedom Fighter Award too !

If you can find a way to use the Goldman Lobby as a latrine without getting arrested, I say go for it.

Even if he has to bottle it up and then splash and dash*, it's certainly worth the effort. Just think if everyone of those banksters had to walk through a nasty ass urine and feces soaked area on the way to work everyday.

*The best recycling use EVER for those little Perrier bottles.

[Serpo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/08/article-2046586-0E444D5C00000578-5_634x563.jpg

[Serpo]

Looks like a lot of fun.....http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/07/article-2046586-0E3FE9A600000578-248_634x473.jpg

[Joe King]

I am flying into NYC tomorrow morning at 4AM. Should be at Wall Street by 6AM. See those of you that can make it there tomorrow!
Try not to get maced, tazered or arrested.
....but do try to get pics for us if you see it happening to others, ok? ;D





Good luck, can't wait to get some actual on the ground reports.Same here. Actual first hand reports would be cool.

[Buddha]

God speed good sir.

[osoab]

Did Billboard even make it on the plane. That is where his tweets ended.

[LuckyStrike]

Did Billboard even make it on the plane. That is where his tweets ended.

LOL, that is alittle sketchy. Hope he was detained.

[Libertytree]

You should get a Freedom Fighter Award too !

If you can find a way to use the Goldman Lobby as a latrine without getting arrested, I say go for it.

I did get the chance to piss on the Fed Resv building in DC, damn it felt good! In more than one way :)

[Heimdhal]

Hes got updates on twitter as of 3-4 minutes ago

[Serpo]

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/wallstcartoon.jpg

[chad]

i like his 8th post back via some of the protestors: "send food + water so we can stay."

classic 'give me some free shit' type behavior.

here's an idea protestors: why don't you organize and send someone out for food and water yourselves instead of, once again, asking other people to 'send you free stuff.'

[midnight rambler]

i like his 8th post back via some of the protestors: "send food + water so we can stay."

classic 'give me some free shit' type behavior.

here's an idea protestors: why don't you organize and send someone out for food and water yourselves instead of, once again, asking other people to 'send you free stuff.'

Dude, come on, they're entitled.

[Awoke]

Good luck and stay safe.

[Libertytree]

Good luck and stay safe.

This whole protest spurs something in my mind....."Good luck and slave safe". IDK?

[osoab]

Billboard is going crazy with tweets.

Latest tweet.


Cops here look a tad nervous

http://s1.proxy04.twitpic.com/photos/large/419760097.jpg

http://s1.proxy04.twitpic.com/photos/large/419760097.jpg

[SWRichmond]

I said years ago, and I'll say it again. The one thing I really don't envy the cops is this: they are going to have to choose sides. And they are screwed either way. Remember, they had to disappear after Egypt.

I already know what side I'm on.

[BillBoard]

I was able to make it down to Wall Street about midday. I had to surrender my laptop and other gear so I may be a bit slow in posting updates, interviews and pictures. So far, it was a very good day and cannot complain about my good fortune. I hope you all see the pictures I posted via twitpic.

http://twitter.com/#!/BillBoard8/media/grid

[osoab]

I was able to make it down to Wall Street about midday. I had to surrender my laptop and other gear so I may be a bit slow in posting updates, interviews and pictures. So far, it was a very good day and cannot complain about my good fortune. I hope you all see the pictures I posted via twitpic.

http://twitter.com/#!/BillBoard8/media/grid


What do you mean by surrendering your gear? Still there for today's psyop?

[osoab]

Billboard, what was the mood of the folks there?

[BillBoard]

Billboard, what was the mood of the folks there?

Hey Guys, a narrative from NYC Times Square.

http://www.4shared.com/audio/r-Ry52WH/HPL001.html


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[Sparky]

This quote from Billboard's narrative sums it up: "They're complaining about the symptoms because they don't seem to know the root cause of the problem."

Go educate 'em Billboard!

[Santa]

Speaking of competing currencies, does anyone remember J.Carvingblock? I think that was his handle.

He mentioned a currency that was used briefly in Germany, I believe. But it was a currency with a built in mechanism that gave incentive to get rid of it.
The faster you got rid of it for goods and services, the more value you got out of it. So the economy thrived, since the currency was able to lubricate transactions
and it allowed more value to be transferred to the goods and services themselves, rather than being retained in the dollars.

Anyway, I'm so NOT an economist, I could easily be butchering the concept.

[Joe King]

Speaking of competing currencies, does anyone remember J.Carvingblock? I think that was his handle.

He mentioned a currency that was used briefly in Germany, I believe. But it was a currency with a built in mechanism that gave incentive to get rid of it.
The faster you got rid of it for goods and services, the more value you got out of it. So the economy thrived, since the currency was able to lubricate transactions
and it allowed more value to be transferred to the goods and services themselves, rather than being retained in the dollars.

Anyway, I'm so NOT an economist, I could easily be butchering the concept.Sounds like what we've already got.

[sirgonzo420]

Thanks for mentioning him!

He posted some interesting stuff!

[Santa]

Sounds like what we've already got.
Well, I said I wasn't describing it very well. Oh, never mind. Lol...

[Santa]

Thanks for mentioning him!

He posted some interesting stuff!
I know... Some of the currency solutions he was researching seemed so distant and abstract to me those few years ago, but today may have more immediate relevance.

[Joe King]

Well, I said I wasn't describing it very well. Oh, never mind. Lol...I think you described what we have well.
Inflation is in fact a built in "feature" of our current "money" in that it adds incentive for it to be spent, not held on to.

[Mouse]

Speaking of competing currencies, does anyone remember J.Carvingblock? I think that was his handle.

He mentioned a currency that was used briefly in Germany, I believe. But it was a currency with a built in mechanism that gave incentive to get rid of it.
The faster you got rid of it for goods and services, the more value you got out of it. So the economy thrived, since the currency was able to lubricate transactions
and it allowed more value to be transferred to the goods and services themselves, rather than being retained in the dollars.

Anyway, I'm so NOT an economist, I could easily be butchering the concept.

I can't remember exactly which currency system JC was talking about either, but if I recall, it was a scrip that had a birth date and a rate of depreciation attached to it. So, if you earned 1unit you were incentivized to spend it before it would depreciate, and every month it would be worth a factor less based on the date of issuance until it was no retired at no value. This vastly increased the volatility of the money and therefore the same base amount of money could support a larger amount of productive activity. It also discouraged hoarding of cash and incentivized lending, since if you had more cash than you could spend, you could loan it out now and be paid back in fresh new "full value" currency units without losing value through inflation. This would keep interest rates low and this system automatically pushed money to its best use in the community as the money itself chased value optimization. There was a similar system they were setting up somewhere (Oregon or Cali?) that used a grain bank and scrip backed by grain with similar features, but more recently.

Along the same lines, I ran into this site the other day and found it an interesting read. If Sui Juris, Palani, M. Rambler, or some of our others could comment on this I would be interested to hear it. Regards redemption in lawful money, which is essentially converting FRN's through redemption into lawful money, by which act forces those FRN's out of circulation (so they cannot be fractional reserves) and simultaneously retires the same dollars from the national debt. Please see link - it's David Merril. I am interested in learning about combinations of legal maneuvers including this one that might redeem one from the corporate plane.

http://stormthunder.com/

[Joe King]

I can't remember exactly which currency system JC was talking about either, but if I recall, it was a scrip that had a birth date and a rate of depreciation attached to it. So, if you earned 1unit you were incentivized to spend it before it would depreciate, and every month it would be worth a factor less based on the date of issuance until it was no retired at no value. This vastly increased the volatility of the money and therefore the same base amount of money could support a larger amount of productive activity. It also discouraged hoarding of cash and incentivized lending, since if you had more cash than you could spend, you could loan it out now and be paid back in fresh new "full value" currency units without losing value through inflation. / (http://stormthunder.com/)If every time it got spent it "refreshed" back to 100% purchasing power, how did they keep track of it? Sounds like that would be well suited to electronic "money" rather than actual notes. Otherwise, how could new dates be set every time it got spent? Did people simply cross out the old date and write a new date when spent, or what?
Again, it sounds alot like what we've got now, except for being up-front about it's built-in loss of purchasing power as opposed to hiding it via monetary inflation.
If my "money" loses value either way, what difference does it make?

Besides, rather than artifically incentivizing the spending of "money", why not allow the free market to encourage the velocity of "money" through the introduction of better, more technologically improved products?
IMHO, as long as the incentive to spend is built into the "money", the free market doesn't have to deliver better products as fast as it otherwise would have to.

[Santa]

Thanks Mouse, Yes.... exactly what I was unable to explain. I recalled that while thinking about money that had no value, in which its only value is to incentivize transactions.


I can't remember exactly which currency system JC was talking about either, but if I recall, it was a scrip that had a birth date and a rate of depreciation attached to it. So, if you earned 1unit you were incentivized to spend it before it would depreciate, and every month it would be worth a factor less based on the date of issuance until it was no retired at no value. This vastly increased the volatility of the money and therefore the same base amount of money could support a larger amount of productive activity. It also discouraged hoarding of cash and incentivized lending, since if you had more cash than you could spend, you could loan it out now and be paid back in fresh new "full value" currency units without losing value through inflation. This would keep interest rates low and this system automatically pushed money to its best use in the community as the money itself chased value optimization. There was a similar system they were setting up somewhere (Oregon or Cali?) that used a grain bank and scrip backed by grain with similar features, but more recently.

Along the same lines, I ran into this site the other day and found it an interesting read. If Sui Juris, Palani, M. Rambler, or some of our others could comment on this I would be interested to hear it. Regards redemption in lawful money, which is essentially converting FRN's through redemption into lawful money, by which act forces those FRN's out of circulation (so they cannot be fractional reserves) and simultaneously retires the same dollars from the national debt. Please see link - it's David Merril. I am interested in learning about combinations of legal maneuvers including this one that might redeem one from the corporate plane.

http://stormthunder.com/

[Mouse]

If every time it got spent it "refreshed" back to 100% purchasing power, how did they keep track of it? Sounds like that would be well suited to electronic "money" rather than actual notes. Otherwise, how could new dates be set every time it got spent? Did people simply cross out the old date and write a new date when spent, or what?
Again, it sounds alot like what we've got now, except for being up-front about it's built-in loss of purchasing power as opposed to hiding it via monetary inflation.
If my "money" loses value either way, what difference does it make?

Besides, rather than artifically incentivizing the spending of "money", why not allow the free market to encourage the velocity of "money" through the introduction of better, more technologically improved products?
IMHO, as long as the incentive to spend is built into the "money", the free market doesn't have to deliver better products as fast as it otherwise would have to.

The depreciation of the scrip was based upon it's mintage date. Everyone could see the date and easily calculate the worth of the note. It eventually became valueless and went out of circulation. During the time period in question, this was transactional money. If you wanted a savings account go buy some gold or some other physical. The prices of goods maintain stability under such a system, as opposed to constant inflation, since the money supply is fairly constant.

What we really need are US treasury notes, printed in relation to "real" GDP (i.e. remove the G from the equation, so all .gov expenditures do not add to GDP). This as our transactional money; and gold, silver, oil, or any type of paper contract you like can form the basis of your longer term savings.

JC had some very insightful posts. I am not sure if he is still there since I don't really bother checking up. It would be neat to pull out some archives of his posts.

[Joe King]

The depreciation of the scrip was based upon it's mintage date. Everyone could see the date and easily calculate the worth of the note. It eventually became valueless and went out of circulation. During the time period in question, this was transactional money.Ok. I had assumed that when it was earned it had full value.
So under this system you'd have to actually see the "money" first before deciding how much work you'd do for it. ie you couldn't tell someone I'll pay $100 for a days work, and then pay with nearly expired $100 bill that's really only worth $2.


I'd still prefer just to have money of substance and be done with it.
...and let a true free-market be the one to incentiveize spending.

[Mouse]

Ok. I had assumed that when it was earned it had full value.
So under this system you'd have to actually see the "money" first before deciding how much work you'd do for it. ie you couldn't tell someone I'll pay $100 for a days work, and then pay with nearly expired $100 bill that's really only worth $2.


I'd still prefer just to have money of substance and be done with it.
...and let a true free-market be the one to incentiveize spending.

We can discuss in chat tomorrow if you like. It would have to be electronic in this day and age. The expiring scrip concept is a very big idea, unfortunately it requires people that know how to do simple math quickly in order to work, and the majority of our population is retarded. Have a nice cup of joe until tomorrow my friend.

Remain stupid........

I am sure your CORPORATE PERSON will be in attendance at chat and we can further banter the stupid and the dooooooommmmmmmmmm!

[Mouse]

I just burped and realized that you were being pretty cool. My bad. I get so used to trolling that I almost immediately think stupid when I read your posts. This was quite reasonable and I should not have suggested that you're stupid or a corporate entity. Carry on, my friend.

Peace and love and kittens

[Joe King]

We can discuss in chat tomorrow if you like.Ok. I'm not there every week, but I sgould be tonite.



It would have to be electronic in this day and age.To me, that's a very bad thing because it would need a central control and would remove anonomity from our "money" and every dime used in any transaction would be taxed accordingly. ie no more makin' a "quick buck" on the side at a garage sale, or mowin' a few lawns or something. Who in their right mind would want that?



The expiring scrip concept is a very big idea, unfortunately it requires people that know how to do simple math quickly in order to work, and the majority of our population is retarded.Exactly. Most people seem to need a calculator to figure a tip on $22.50 bill at Dennys, and now they'd be asked to figure a continous rate of depreication on "money"? All I can say between laughs is, good luck with that. lol



Have a nice cup of joe until tomorrow my friend.Ok.

[chad]

any paper money at all really is meaningless at a certain point. anyone who travels abroad a lot realizes this. i think we all just stay put most of the time and 'forget' this.

i remember standing in a laundromat in lichtenstein once, and it was something like 2 million whatevers to do a load of laundry. the week before in austria it had been 4 whatevers to do a load of laundry. i remember just laughing and telling the guy 'i have no idea what any of this is worth, just take whatever you need.' i had lost all ability to comprehend what any of it was worth any longer.

[Cebu_4_2]

Can you repeat that without copy paste?

[Joe King]

I just burped and realized that you were being pretty cool.I normally try to be.
...and people in real life have been telling me that I am since as long as I can remember. 8) Which is a pretty long time.



My bad.Thanks for admitting it.


I get so used to trollingAh Ha!, so you admit you're a troll then? Magnes was right!



that I almost immediately think stupid when I read your posts.Oh, ok. I see you're mistaking me for one of those. ::)
If you think that, you're obviously a biased Mouse. All I've done is post my opinion. It is not my fault if certain ones take issue with it. Once responded to, I will almost always respond back.
...and in kind.

I really don't see any problem with anything I've posted. If others have one with me, then that's their problem and they should deal with it internally. If they choose instead to try to make a battle of it, who am I to decline their most generous offer? It would be impolite. Similar to declining a dinner invitation for no good reason.



This was quite reasonable and I should not have suggested that you're stupid or a corporate entity. Carry on, my friend.pApology accepted. BTW, I just ignored those comments in your other post as it did not further the discussion and I have no real beef with you.



Peace and love and kittensSame to you.

[Joe King]

any paper money at all really is meaningless at a certain point.

Exactly. It's value is wholly dependant upon a government. Which is why they like it as opposed to money of actual substance.

[BillBoard]

Hey Guys, if you want to see pictures from OWS' Zuccotti Park Sunday October 9, 2011, demonstration they are here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/billboard8

http://www.flickr.com/photos/billboard8/sets/72157627783252541/


Some Video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZhZk7WYIs8

[Serpo]

My favourite sign for some reason was .....................BEHEAD THE FED

[Serpo]

The $600million dollar men: Meet the country's ten highest paid bosses (whose combined incomes could pay the salaries of over 18,300 Americans)


By Meghan Keneally (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Meghan+Keneally)

Last updated at 12:54 PM on 15th October 2011


In light of the Occupy Wall Street demonstration taking place in downtown New York- and those of similar persuasions across the U.S.- the country's richest one per cent are a very unpopular group right about now.

Making for more trouble, Forbes just released the list of the wealthiest 25 CEOs, and their earning numbers are astronomical.

The amount of money that the country's top ten wealthiest CEOs make in one year is enough to pay the salary of 18,330 'average' Americans.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-0-0E60C57800000578-198_224x336.jpg Top spot: John Hammergren of pharmaceutical company McKesson Corp. had a salary of $131.2million

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-0-0E60C59C00000578-920_224x336.jpg Fashion's favourte: Designer Ralph Lauren came in second place with a salary of $66.7million




The average salary in the U.S. was $33,000 in 2008- and though that is the most recent data, it does not even account for the brunt of the recession.

That is basically nothing when compared to the $604.9million made by the top ten earners last year.

The elite one per cent group includes anyone making over $380,000 per year, and the top ten CEOs make well above that.

The top spot is held by John Hammergren, 52, the CEO of pharmaceutical company McKesson who earned a salary of $131.2million and a net total income, which includes bonuses and profits from stock earnings, of $1.2billion. And that's not all: Mr Hammergren's company stands to expand if President Obama's health care program is enacted due to increased contracts.
Though Ralph Lauren is thought of as a 'classic' American brand, the company's leader is still right up there with the new companys. Mr Lauren, 72, was the second highest earning CEO with a salary of $66.7million, though that's just nearly ten per cent of his total earnings last year which were $630million.

Michael Fascitelli of New Jersey-based real estate firm Vornado Realty gets the bronze with $64.4 million compensation.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-0-0E60C58000000578-852_224x335.jpg Bronze: Michael Fasceitelli who runs a real estate firm made $64.4million

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-2049405-0E60C59000000578-887_224x335.jpg The magic of Disney: CEO Bob Iger made $53.3million from Walt Disney




Robert 'Bob' Iger, 60, worked closely with Steve Jobs as Mr Iger negotiated the sale of Pixar to his company The Walt Disney Company. Mr Iger did well for himself last year, earning $53.3million.

The numbers, while staggering, may not be the most shocking aspect of the list: geography is.

None of the top 10 earning CEOs are from Wall Street, or even the financial sector. Three are from healthcare companies(McKesson, Express Scripts and UnitedHealth Group), two from fashion houses (Ralph Lauren and Coach), one from real estate (Vornado Realty), one from entertainment (Disney), one from internet travel (Priceline.com), one from advertising (Omnicom Group) and one from oil and gas (Ultra Petroleum).


More...



Gap's woes continue as retail giant plans closure of a fifth of U.S. stores - but will triple number of outlets in China (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2049271/Gaps-woes-continue-retail-giant-plans-closure-fifth-U-S-stores--triple-number-outlets-China.html)
The battle of Wall Street: Violence erupts as police clash with protesters after they force Bloomberg to back down over 'eviction' (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049137/Occupy-Wall-Street-Violence-erupts-police-clash-protesters.html)


The earning inequalities between the country's wealthiest and the so-called 99 per cent, who have found their voice in the Occupy protests, has grown substantially over the last generation, and not simply due to the recession.

Twenty years ago, the average salary was, when injusted for inflation, almost identical to that of today. Over the same span of time, the country's wealthiest earners has grown by a third.

Experts point to a number of factors, including globalization, a decreased role for unions, and, obviously, a global economic collapse.
THE BEST OF THE REST



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-2049405-0E60C59800000578-171_110x110.jpg
Number 5: George Paz

CEO of Express Scripts, Healthcare
Compensation: $51.5million
Net Income: $1.29billion







http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-2049405-0E60C5A000000578-350_110x110.jpg
Number 6: Jeffrey Boyd
CEO of Priceline.com, Internet travel site
Compensation: $50.2million
Net Income: $720million





http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-2049405-0E60C58800000578-190_110x110.jpg
Number 7: Lew Frankfort
CEO of Coach, Fashion
Compensation: $49.5million
Net Income: $880million




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-2049405-0E60C57400000578-179_110x110.jpg
Number 8: Stephen Hemsley
CEO of UnitedHealth Group, Health care
Compensation: $48.8million
Net Income: $4.93billion




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-2049405-0E60C5A400000578-18_110x110.jpg
Number 9: John D. Wren
CEO of Omnicom Group, Advertising
Compensation: $45.6million
Net Income: $900million





http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/15/article-2049405-0E60C5AC00000578-2_110x110.jpg
Number 10: Michael Watford
CEO of Ultra Petroleum, Oil & Gas
Compensation: $43.7million
Net Income: $373million





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049405/Meet-Americas-10-highest-paid-bosses-Forbes-list-wealthiest-CEOs.html#ixzz1azDmYkpH

[MNeagle]

And for all these "public" salaries, you know there are more behind-the-scenes/non-public people with even larger salaries & perks...

Not a single Rothschild listed, etc.

[ShortJohnSilver]

The currency talked about by JCarvingBlock was from a theory by a guy named Gesell. The Austrian town was named Worgl and is mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_currency

[Santa]

Well, there's the proof that it worked, at least until the Central Bank and its socialist owners killed it.


The Wörgl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%B6rgl) experiment that was conducted from July 1932 to November 1933 is a classic example of the potential efficacy of local currencies. Wörgl, a small town in Austria with 4000 inhabitants, introduced a local scrip during the Great Depression. By 1932, unemployment in Wörgl had risen to 30%. The local government had amassed debts of 1.3 million Austrian schillings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_schilling) (AS) against cash reserves of 40,000 AS. Local construction and civic maintenance had come to a standstill. On the initiative of the town's mayor, Michael Unterguggenberger, the local government printed 32,000 in labor certificates which carried a negative 1% monthly interest rate and could be converted into schillings at 98% of face value. An equivalent amount in schillings, deposited in the local bank as cover for the certificates in case of mass redemption, earned interest for the government. The certificates circulated so rapidly that only 12,000 were ever actually put into circulation. According to reports by the mayor and economists of the day who studied the experiment, the scrip was readily accepted by local merchants and the local population. It used the scrip to carry out 100,000 AS in public works projects involving construction and repair of roads, bridges, tanks, drainage systems, factories, and buildings. The scrip was also accepted as legal tender for payment of local taxes. In the one year the currency was in circulation, it circulated 13 times faster than the official shilling[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] and served as a catalyst to the local economy. The heavy arrears in local tax collection declined dramatically. Local government revenue rose from 2,400 AS in 1931 to 20,400 in 1932. Unemployment was eliminated, while it remained very high throughout the rest of the country. No increase in prices was observed. Based on the dramatic success of the Wörgl experiment, several other communities introduced similar scrips.
In spite of the tangible benefits of the program, it met with stiff opposition from the regional socialist party and from the Austrian central bank, which opposed the local currency as an infringement on its powers over the currency. As a result, the program was suspended, unemployment rose, and the local economy soon degenerated to the level of other communities in the country.

[BillBoard]

Check out the new website coming up for OWS: http://owsnews.org/

[BillBoard]

The MSM will not tell the truth, well here is more reporting from the trenches:

http://inthesetimes.com/

[BillBoard]

Behind the scenes of OWS: http://www.presstv.ir/Program/208834.html

[BillBoard]

http://occupywallst.org/article/occupy-oakland-calls-total-west-coast-port-shutdow/#comment-391841

The Main Stream Media is telling everyone that Occupy Wall Streeters are a bunch of whining irresponsible losers that do not know what they want.

Occupy Wall Streeters know what they want, and why they want it. You may not fully understand what is going on, but if you are having problems paying your bills due to a lack of work or opportunities, you are already feeling the reasons why people are occupying Wall Street.

The first and most important thing that Occupy Wall Street people want is the abolishment of the Federal Reserve Bank. The reason why? Because it is a private bank that issues the money of our country under Usury to the detriment of all the people that do not own a share in the Federal Reserve Bank.

The second thing Occupy Wall Street people want is competing currencies. By having competing currencies you remove from the Central Bank the awesome power to leave you homeless at their whim.

You will see Occupy Wall Streeters with different signs and slogans, but that does not mean they do not know what they want, they do, and do not let the government media tell you differently. If you let government shape your view of the Occupy Wall Street movement, you will soon find yourself unable to pay your rent or mortgage, unemployed and unable to feed your children.

All we ask is for a fair chance to compete, and that begins by abolishing the Federal Reserve Bank and having competing currencies

[Horn]

Nice thread there, I posted a bit on the Constitutional principals to remind.

[BillBoard]

You want to know what will happen with the OWS movement if those running government do not get their **** together and tell the greedy ****s running the shadow government and Wall Street to go **** themselves?

1. The movement will place a heavy burden on security services, local governments will have police crack down and begin abusing and hurting protesters.

2. As more people joint the ranks of the poor and unemployed, the heavier the burden on security services, government will suspend all civil liberties.

3. Protestors will respond to the lack of civil liberties with acts of violence, bombs, shootings, sabotage, etc.

4. Government will respond by shutting off freedom of movement and installing check points to control the movement of dissidents.

5. Government will implement massive propaganda campaigns to turn neighbors against neighbors, they will reward those that side with the government with economic rewards, i.e. jobs, food, fuel, etc.

6. The economy will break complete down and civil war will ensue.

7. Pending the outcome of the civil war, the reconstruction cycle will begin again.

This has happened since the beginning of time where Usury has been the primary economic model.

[MNeagle]

OWS pledge there will be a 24-hour drum circle in front of Mayor Bloomberg's home, starting in the early afternoon (today 11/20).




http://live.nydailynews.com/Event/Occupy_Wall_Street_Continues_in_New_york_City

[osoab]

Scan your eyes for lower bail?

As Occupy Arrestees Arraigned, Iris Scans Affect Bail (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/as_occupy_arres.php)




The first of the more than 70 Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested Saturday afternoon and evening were arraigned yesterday in Manhattan Criminal Court.
Exhausted by a night and day in jail and shaken by the violence of the police response (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/for_occupy_wall.php#more) to Occupy Wall Street's six-month anniversary celebration, many burst into tears of relief when they were finally released to the friendly welcome of the movement's Jail Support team.

Unlike many of the other defendants with whom they shared cells, the protesters could feel confident that they would soon be released -- Occupy posts bail for those arrested during movement actions.

But protesters and their legal advisers were surprised yesterday to learn that the size of their bail was being affected by whether defendants were willing to have the distinctive patterns of their irises photographed and logged into a database.
Police and courts have been photographing irises since 2010, once at booking and once on arraignment. The practice is a response to a couple of instances in which mistaken identity allowed someone facing serious charges to go free by impersonating another defendant up on minor charges.

The idea of the state collecting distinctive biometric information from people who haven't even been charged with a crime yet, much less convicted of one, makes civil libertarians nervous, though, and over the last two years they've pushed back. Unlike fingerprints, they argue, no law was ever passed to require iris photographs -- it's just a policy. And while police regularly tell arrestees that the photographs are mandatory (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/nyregion/new-objections-to-nypds-iris-photographing-program.html), and that failing to be photographed will prolong their stay in jail, defendants have often refused to comply without serious consequence.

That appears to be changing. Yesterday, a defense lawyer had told Judge Abraham Clott she was under the impression that her client -- not affiliated with Occupy Wall Street, facing charges of marijuana possession -- was not legally bound to submit to an iris photograph. Clott responded in no uncertain terms: Iris photographs may be optional in the sense that the court can proceed without them if it has to, he said, for example if the photographic equipment breaks down. But they are not optional for defendants.

Judge Clott wasn't going it alone in this strict interpretation. National Lawyers Guild NYC President Gideon Oliver said that a memo, presumably from the Office of Court Administration has been circulated to judges, instructing them that iris photographs are mandatory.

Even if iris photographs could be made mandatory, though, they should never be used in setting bail, said Moira Meltzer-Cohen, a third-year law student who helps run Occupy Wall Street's bail services. "In New York, bail can only legally be set for a single purpose: to ensure that defendants appear at their next hearing," she said.
To evaluate someone's flight risk, courts can look at things like their employment, ties to the community, nearby family, a history of bench warrants, and the severity of the charges they're facing. If someone doesn't look like they're a flight risk, they're supposed to be released on their own recognizance, or ROR in court short-hand.

In the case of one Occupier arraigned yesterday, all the indicators pointed to an ROR. She was employed, her parents were sitting in the courtroom, and it was her first encounter with the justice system. Initially charged with resisting arrest and attempted robbery, the prosecutor dropped the second charge when he acknowledged that it arose from the arresting officer claiming she made a grab for his badge, even though the officer conceded he never thought she was trying to steal it.

Nonetheless, the prosecutor asked for $1,000 bail because the defendant had refused to let her iris be photographed. Judge Clott agreed, to the great dismay of Meltzer-Cohen.

"Even though all of the legitimate bail factors militate against setting bail, he did it anyway," she said. "Bail is not supposed to be used in any kind of punitive way. He's using his discretion as a judge to enforce a non-enforceable practice."
Several other Occupy protesters saw their refusal invoked as a justification for bail yesterday, but posted the money and were released. But Oliver said he has another client who's refusing to submit to an iris photograph, and that, police are refusing to produce him in court for arraignment until he does.

"It's a question of who will blink first," Oliver said last night, adding that if it goes on much longer, he'll file a writ of habeas corpus.

"It may well come to that tomorrow," Oliver said. "If this had come up earlier, I might be doing that now."