Christians being killed in Egypt

[DMac]

Video is a little graphic


Al Arabia TV:Muslim Egyptian Army Genocide against Christians Copts,Run over them with Army tanks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vBxMG1e8oLw


Al Arabia TV Channel:Muslim Egyptian Army Genocide against Christians Copts,Run over them with Army tanks

URGENT:Marshal Tantawi orders the Egyptian army to runs over Christians in Maspero demonstrators with tanks and killed 39 Christian Copts-Martyred
Cairo-Egypt.
9/10/2011
Bodies of Christian martyrs cut to pieces in the streets and on bridges in pools of blood.
"Mass murder and genocide of Christians in Egypt (genocide)"



Dozens arrested in wake of deadly Cairo clashes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EOgoe6q1x0&feature=player_embedded



Dozens of arrests have been made after 24 people were killed in clashes on Sunday between police and Egyptian Christians protesting an attack on a Coptic church, state media reported on Monday.
http://www.france24.com


Egypt Christians vent fury after clashes kill 25 (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/egypt-christians-vent-fury-after-clashes-kill-25/191849-2.html)


At Coptic Hospital, Christians hysterical over lost relatives (http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/503522)

[Glass]

It occured to me the other day that everything going on is actually a global war against Christians. WWI, WWII, The goings on in all commonwealth countries, vaccinations, cancer industry, legal industry, education industry, government. I'm sure I could add to that.

WWI, How many Chrisitans went to their deaths? Millions

WWII, How many Christians went to their deaths? Millions

In both cases, who lead them there? People like Winston Churchill, Druid and Satanist. Rosenvelt? Stalin?

Despite the commonwealth being Christian in nature (I unclude the US in the commonwealth even though the commonwealth ties are concealed these days), the rulers are all Satanics. We know this because invariablly they are Masons or 322'ers.

The pharmaco goes after the Christian nations and not others. That includes the cancer industry. Cancer is now running at 1 in 2 males and 1 in 3 females in what are called 1st world countries. Is it the same in the middle of Africa? No it is not.

The legal industry has sqaushed the law, which is Gods law, the laws of Christians. It has been replaced with someone else's law. It is a law of debt slavery. Seeing as that profession is also made up of tightly knit Satanics (masons etc) we can see where that is going.

The education industry has purged God from it's material and also blocks the Christian tendencies of the children. Forces them to conceal their beliefs.

While doing all of this on one side, they encourage and exalt other belief systems. They don't care about a lot of those belief systems themselves but it achieves an objective of increasing the destruction of Christian beliefs. I also think to an extent the Islam belief system has undergone similar bastardisation and those "bastards" are used as a tool of destruction against Christians and obviously against the remaining true Islamists.

To me, this is the true nature of the goings on in the world today.

So therefore this is no surprise to me now. I can see it as part of the bigger picture. There is a global war going on to eradicate Christians and destroy their claim. If what I state is true and I believe it is, then clearly there is some validity to Christians claims.

I'm just trying to think how long it has been since they banned the ringing of Church bells. It would be nearing 30 years now. I'm in Australia btw. You have to laugh, Australia is a Christian nation yet My state was first governed by a Satanist. I think it has been ruled by them since it started. Not sure. I know since the mid 70's all the State Govts have been satanics. There was even a newspaper report about it back in the 70's more than 2/3 of the government were admitted Satanics. They had a group photo and everything. Our current Prime Minister is openly one as well.

I was bumbling around Youtube about a week ago and I cam across a short video that said something like globally 60,000 Christians are persecuted to death every year. I think it was 60K. Might have been more. These were people who were beaten, burned, squashed etc which is in addition to the stuff I mentioned.

[Serpo]

Governor general as well is in the same club I believe........

[StreetsOfGold]

Anyone who has read the Bible and studied church history knows that it always has been about the Bible (which produces Christians) against the world (every other religion) Best to just get saved (trust Jesus Christ as your personal saviour) since in the final anaylsis, you life here is but a vapour and will be gone before you know it. ALL that really matters is Jesus Christ and his kingdom which he will bring and there will be true peace. Peace is what men desire and they think they can achieve it without God. You can't and never will, just look around and see for yourself.

This world is not my home, I'm just a passing through

[MAGNES]

Anyone who has read the Bible and studied church history knows that it always has been about the Bible (which produces Christians) against the world (every other religion) Best to just get saved (trust Jesus Christ as your personal saviour) since in the final anaylsis, you life here is but a vapour and will be gone before you know it. ALL that really matters is Jesus Christ and his kingdom which he will bring and there will be true peace. Peace is what men desire and they think they can achieve it without God. You can't and never will, just look around and see for yourself.

This world is not my home, I'm just a passing through

I am familiar with some of your very controversial posts, even attacks,
your posts are full of hate, I gave you a break once, thanked you for
some of your posts, you are a divider and a hater and people like you
are the problem, you and the Occult share a lot in common, you need
to learn some history, cause you too are a tool if you are not a Jew.

For people that don't know, this guy is some sort of " evangelical fundie "
where he comes out openly and proclaims, " Catholics are satanists " .
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54629-church-observation&p=465211&viewfull=1#post465211

The Catholic Church was a driving force behind European Civilization and Culture,
despite some backward episodes and criminality, The Orthodox Church as well,
this is history that people have forgotten being dumbed down by the schools.

[MAGNES]

It occured to me the other day that everything going on is actually a global war against Christians.

I have quite a few posts and threads on here dealing with some key history.
That is the new me.
I give references, sources, and to be a bridge builder, I outed goldie the
open satanist on here, Fred outed skyvike on gim, what do you think they were doing ?
They were outed by Modus Operandim, MO. Targeting key leaders and key history,
posting Masonic and Theosophist dribble, all anti Western.
One of the best things in my life was meeting these creatures on GIM,
I went back to the basics and have told this story a few times.
There is a thread in the religious section on much of this if you are interested.

War on You, War on The West, European Western White Christian Man.

Welcome to the club, the entire old school and banned on gim are part of the club.

Book's original unforgivable sin on gim was to tell Scorpio he is anti Christian.

Many of us may may argue on here, we were a tighter group once, we have far
more in common, issues that matter rather than small potato issues, the great majority,
the best and most knowledgeable stopped posting long ago, Anty Ep was actually
our leader, key banned Western History, eye openers.

Western History is Christian History, those that are not religious need to understand this,
I am not religious. Our enemies do not care if you are religious or not, you are part of the
club, the culture and people of this history, you are a target, your nation is target.

" WAR ON ROME " ZOHAR . You are all Rome, what does this mean ?

[MAGNES]

Egypt Christians vent fury after clashes kill 25 (http://ibnlive.in.com/news/egypt-christians-vent-fury-after-clashes-kill-25/191849-2.html)


At Coptic Hospital, Christians hysterical over lost relatives (http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/503522)

The Coptic Christians have been almost totally destroyed in Egypt.

Many have been absorbed by the Arabs, the Arabs tell them they are Arab, LOL,
the Arabs are invaders that mass murdered them, the Copts are the original population
of Egypt who built the Pyramids as workers not slaves. Many of them converted to
save their lives. That's the kind of deal the muzzies were giving people, the fact that
any survived proves they are very stubborn and they are fighters, and they know
history that matters. They are our natural allies, I feel a strong connection to them.

In other places like Turkey and North Africa Christians have been totally disappeared.
The Stones Speak (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54150-The-Stones-Speak)

Nocturnal Egyptian on here is a Coptic Christian I believe and has spoken about it.

And I personally believe it is Israel stoking tensions, they did that to Lebanon,
they are good at it, bomb a Church, if nobody else is doing it they will.

This is an excellent issue to use to show people the hypocrisy of the left, the media
and the double standards, this sort of thing goes on in many places, unreported.

[JDRock]

its the INTENDED result of EVERY jewish backed revolution for 2,000 years now.

[MAGNES]

its the INTENDED result of EVERY jewish backed revolution for 2,000 years now.

The one and only, JDR, JDRockingFeller, the legend from gim, the greatest trader that
ever lived, the greatest thread ever, one of the greatest teachers and money makers
for those interested in following in his footsteps, he saw it all, we did it all.

JDR, he's with us, who gives a shit about the rest of them.

JDR, it was a real pleasure sir, you say more in a few words than I do with more.

[JDRock]

im humbled sir.

[MAGNES]

im humbled sir.

Don't mess with me, you know you are Thee GIANT of the Giants !

You saw me join as a noob being schooled, on everything.

We did it all, for that I am honored.

Be well .

[PatColo]

Ben Friedman had interesting things to say about Christians & dajooz, here's audio mp3s,
01 Preface.mp3 2302.2 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/01%20Preface.mp3)
02 WWI.mp3 6641.1 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/02%20WWI.mp3)
03 The Balfour Declaration.mp3 5984.8 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/03%20The%20Balfour%20Declaration.mp3)
04 Jewish ultimatum.mp3 5395 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/04%20Jewish%20ultimatum.mp3)
05 Holy War against Germany.mp3 6775.4 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/05%20Holy%20War%20against%20Germany.mp3)
06 Christian or Communist.mp3 4930.5 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/06%20Christian%20or%20Communist.mp3)
07 The Khazars.mp3 6695 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/07%20The%20Khazars.mp3)
08 The Kol Nidre.mp3 6135.8 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/08%20The%20Kol%20Nidre.mp3)
09 Common Sense.mp3 8824.8 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/09%20Common%20Sense.mp3)
10 About the word Jew.mp3 7148.1 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/10%20About%20the%20word%20Jew.mp3)
11 Loyalty among Jews.mp3 2782.8 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/11%20Loyalty%20among%20Jews.mp3)
12 Jews were driven out of England.mp3 4948.9 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/12%20Jews%20were%20driven%20out%20of%20England.mp3 )
13 Benjamin Franklin.mp3 3663.6 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/13%20Benjamin%20Franklin.mp3)
14 The Republic of the Alamo.mp3 3035.4 KB 2010.03.19 · 20.34 (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/Willard.Hotel.1961/14%20The%20Republic%20of%20the%20Alamo.mp3)

and here's the transcript, use search function for word "Christian",
http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/1961.Willard.Hotel.Speech.htm (http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Benjamin.H.Freedman/1961.Willard.Hotel.Speech.htm)

[praetorian]

So , your saying Jews are causing the Muslims to run over the Copts?

[PatColo]

Father Charles Coughlin also addressed it in the 1930s, before dajooz deemed such discussion "politically incorrect" :-* Here's audios of many of his weekly radio shows:
http://iamthewitness.com/archive.php?dir=audio%2FCharles.E.Coughlin%2F (http://iamthewitness.com/archive.php?dir=audio%2FCharles.E.Coughlin%2F)

In 1934, Father Coughlin announced the formation of the National Union of Social Justice. At this time some observers claimed that Father Coughlin was the second most important political figure in the United States.
It was estimated that Coughlin's radio broadcasts were getting an audience of 30 million people.
He was also having to employ twenty-six secretaries to deal with the 400,000 letters a week he was receiving from his listeners.

[PatColo]

So , your saying Jews are causing the Muslims to run over the Copts?

any "stories" which are disseminated over the ZioStream Media inciting outrage over Scary Moozlems persecuting Christians, are categorically bogus- false flag at best, mossad goons dressed as arabs conducting agitprop charades.

Most Arabs, and those Christians who've taken the red pill & broken free of the zio-mind-kontrol matrix, know who the enemy is... and they recognize when that enemy is trying to fraudulently pit Christians & Muslims against each other...


Jews, Israel and America (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/opinion/24friedman.html?_r=1)

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/misc/spacer.gif
Published: October 24, 2004

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/i.gif was speaking the other day with Scott Pelley of CBS News's "60 Minutes" about the mood in Iraq. He had just returned from filming a piece there and he told me something disturbing. Scott had gone around and asked Iraqis on the streets what they called American troops - wondering if they had nicknames for us in the way we used to call the Nazis "Krauts" or the Vietcong "Charlie." And what did he find? "Many Iraqis have so much distrust for U.S. forces we found they've come up with a nickname for our troops," Scott said. "They call American soldiers 'The Jews,' as in, 'Don't go down that street, the Jews set up a roadblock.' "http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/opinion/24friedman.html?_r=1

[Joe King]

For people that don't know, this guy is some sort of " evangelical fundie "
where he comes out openly and proclaims, " Catholics are satanists " .
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54629-church-observation&p=465211&viewfull=1#post465211

The Catholic Church was a driving force behind European Civilization and Culture,
despite some backward episodes and criminality, The Orthodox Church as well,
this is history that people have forgotten being dumbed down by the schools.Just curious Magnes, but how exactly does your responce to his assertion refute it? You seem to be implying that just because it was a driving force in Europeon culture that his assertion would be impossible to be true.

It's well known that even bad people can in fact also do good things too.

[praetorian]

I can see your point Pat, but this footage shows a very large group of people being chased around by Egyptian Army vehicles, although not truly a tank as the thread specified. Im not seeing a group of Mossad hijacking armor and driving it into a crowd unopposed.

[PatColo]

I can see your point Pat, but this footage shows a very large group of people being chased around by Egyptian Army vehicles, although not truly a tank as the thread specified. Im not seeing a group of Mossad hijacking armor and driving it into a crowd unopposed.

if mossad "does their job correctly", you will never "see mossad" doing this or that - deception & secrecy are their MO (granted: same as all nat'l security services). Izzy/mossad have their ZioStream Media global propaganda apparatus to "spin" any event, real or contrived, in a way which benefits them. It's no secret among red-pillers that the zio's have long planned to (fraudulently) pit Christianity & Islam against each other for their contrived WW3, in which the two populations will "destroy each other", or at least that is hoped by the zio's.

and there are zio-sellouts in these militaries. According to this source, it took Erdogon over a year to root them out of his military,

Monday, September 26, 2011

Jim Dean of Veterans Today: Erdogan was waiting to clean Zionists out of Turkish military before breaking with Israel (http://truthjihadradio.blogspot.com/2011/09/jim-dean-of-veterans-today-erdogan-was.html)

[MAGNES]

So , your saying Jews are causing the Muslims to run over the Copts?

Alls they need is a spark, it is easy to do in places like this, I am reminded of Lebanon,
Israel divided them and they destroyed themselves, for the most part, who bombed the
Christian Church of the Copts, if you know some of this history this is not new, the Copts
are the persecuted minority now, they responded with violence, then it went back to them,
I am not surprised to see Muslims killing Christians, that is what they do.

Who was doing the bombing in Iraq ? Israel, US, UK special forces, they got them
to kill each other, they wiped out the Christians too. Saddam was the iron fist that
gave order to this country. Libya was a bit like that too, muzzie fundies were not
welcomed, NATO like Iraq is putting them in power now.

The Coptic Christians responded to the attack with violence, they had enough.

Their fight is to the death and they know it.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111009/D9Q900380.html

[Awoke]

if mossad "does their job correctly", you will never "see mossad" doing this or that

This. Times a Million.

[Awoke]

Glass I want to thank you for that post. Amazing post. Thanks for sharing the tidbit about your leaders being admitted satanists. That's important stuff!

[MAGNES]

Just curious Magnes, but how exactly does your responce to his assertion refute it? You seem to be implying that just because it was a driving force in Europeon culture that his assertion would be impossible to be true.

It's well known that even bad people can in fact also do good things too.

Jew King,

CASE CLOSED !

[Joe King]

Jew King,

CASE CLOSED ! The only case that's closed is the case of you making dumb accusations.

All I said was that your answer to him did not address his statement you took issue with. You tried to divert instead.

[Book]

Israel divided them and they destroyed themselves...

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Christmas_truce

::) jews divided Christians during both World Wars...then was handed Jerusalem and Palestine.

[MAGNES]

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Christmas_truce

::) jews divided Christians during both World Wars...then was handed Jerusalem and Palestine.


We were just talking about you, LOL, Book, another leader and true Giant.
He saw it all, we did it all.

War on Whitey.

They getting it Book. Be well Book.

[JDRock]

So , your saying Jews are causing the Muslims to run over the Copts?

by virtue of the WAY they play their iron fisted control of the media....see hoarders tireless postings on " the end result is usually the INTENDED result"

[StreetsOfGold]

I am familiar with some of your very controversial posts, even attacks,
your posts are full of hate, I gave you a break once, thanked you for
some of your posts, you are a divider and a hater and people like you
are the problem, you and the Occult share a lot in common, you need
to learn some history, cause you too are a tool if you are not a Jew.

For people that don't know, this guy is some sort of " evangelical fundie "
where he comes out openly and proclaims, " Catholics are satanists " .
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?54629-church-observation&p=465211&viewfull=1#post465211

The Catholic Church was a driving force behind European Civilization and Culture,
despite some backward episodes and criminality, The Orthodox Church as well,
this is history that people have forgotten being dumbed down by the schools.

I know that tempers can flare and we can disagree on things but (assuming you are a Catholic) as I WAS, I said nothing that a "good" catholic would (or should) disagree with. You don't believe trusting Jesus Christ is THE most important thing a man can do? Then what is? Is this world YOUR home? Telling people about Jesus Christ is somehow being a "tool of the Jews"? Perhaps you should re-think what you said.
Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

[optionT]

Not a Single Christian Church Left in Afghanistan, Says State Department

By Edwin Mora (http://www.cnsnews.com/source/edwin-mora)






http://www.cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/images/afghanistan%20%20ap%20photo.jpg (http://www.cnsnews.com/image/afghanistan-54)(AP Photo.)

(CNSNews.com) -- There is not a single, public Christian church left in Afghanistan, according to the U.S. State Department.

This reflects the state of religious freedom in that country ten years after the United States first invaded it and overthrew its Islamist Taliban regime.

In the intervening decade, U.S. taxpayers have spent $440 billion to support Afghanistan's new government and more than 1,700 U.S. military personnel have died serving in that country.

The last public Christian church in Afghanistan was razed in March 2010, according to the State Department's latest International Religious Freedom Report. The report, which was released last month and covers the period of July 1, 2010 through December 31, 2010, also states that “there were no Christian schools in the country.”

“There is no longer a public Christian church; the courts have not upheld the church's claim to its 99-year lease, and the landowner destroyed the building in March [2010],” reads the State Department report on religious freedom. “[Private] chapels and churches for the international community of various faiths are located on several military bases, PRTs [Provincial Reconstruction Teams], and at the Italian embassy. Some citizens who converted to Christianity as refugees have returned.”

In recent times, freedom of religion has declined in Afghanistan, according to the State Department.

“The government’s level of respect for religious freedom in law and in practice declined during the reporting period, particularly for Christian groups and individuals,” reads the State Department report.

“Negative societal opinions and suspicion of Christian activities led to targeting of Christian groups and individuals, including Muslim converts to Christianity," said the report. "The lack of government responsiveness and protection for these groups and individuals contributed to the deterioration of religious freedom.”
Most Christians in the country refuse to “state their beliefs or gather openly to worship,” said the State Department.

More than 1,700 U.S. military personnel have died serving in the decade-old Afghanistan war, according to CNSNews.com’s database of all U.S. casualties in Afghanistan. A September audit released jointly by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction and the State Department’s Office of Inspector General, found that the U.S. government will spend at least $1.7 billion to support the civilian effort from 2009-2011.

According to that report, the $1.7 billion excludes additional security costs, which the report says the State Department priced at about $491 million.
A March 2011 report (http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/172437.pdf) by the Congressional Research Service showed that overall the United States has spent more than $440 billion in the Afghanistan war. Christian aid from the international community has also gone to aid the Afghan government.

Nevertheless, according to the State Department, the lack of non-Muslim religious centers in Afghanistan can be blamed in part on a “strapped government budget,” which is primarily fueled by the U.S. aid.

“There were no explicit restrictions for religious minority groups to establish places of worship and training of clergy to serve their communities,” says the report, “however, very few public places of worship exist for minorities due to a strapped government budget.”

The report acknowledged that Afghanistan’s post-Taliban constitution, which was ratified with the help of U.S. mediation in 2004, can be contradictory when it comes to the free exercise of religion.

While the new constitution states that Islam is the “religion of the state” and that “no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam,” it also proclaims that “followers of other religions are free to exercise their faith and perform their religious rites within the limits of the provisions of the law.”

However, “the right to change one’s religion was not respected either in law or in practice,” according to the State Department.

“Muslims who converted away from Islam risked losing their marriages, rejection from their families and villages, and loss of jobs,” according to the report. “Legal aid for imprisoned converts away from Islam remains difficult due to the personal objection of Afghan lawyers to defend apostates.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/523d2811d5824f91a417bd41fb775c95.jpg (http://www.cnsnews.com/image/afghanistan-26)In this image made available from the Afghanistan Presidential Palace, Afghan President Hamid Karzai, center, shakes hand with new U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker at the Presidential Palace in Kabul, Afghanistan on Monday, July 25, 2011. (AP Photo/Presidential Palace)

The report does note that “in recent years neither the national nor local authorities have imposed criminal penalties on coverts from Islam.” The report says that “conversion from Islam is considered apostasy and is punishable by death under some interpretations of Islamic rule in the country.”

Also, in recent years, the death punishment for blasphemy “has not been carried out,” according to the State Department.

According to the State Department report, the United States continues to promote religious freedom in Afghanistan--even though the country no longer has even one Christian church.

“The U.S. government regularly discusses religious freedom with government officials as part of its overall policy to promote human rights,” according to the report.

According to the State Department report, more than 99 percent of the population, estimated between 24 and 33 million people, is either Sunni (80 percent) or Shia (19 percent) Muslim. Non-Muslim religious groups, including the estimated 500 to 8,000 strong Christian community in the country, make up less than 1 percent of the population. Other non-Muslim groups in the country are Sikhs, Bahais, and Hindus.




http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/not-single-christian-church-left-afghanistan-says-state-department

[optionT]

Christians under siege in post-revolution Egypt

By MAGGIE MICHAEL

Associated Press
http://hosted.ap.org/photos/6/6b08f7f9-d2bc-465c-ae76-3370ab91bce9-small.jpg (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/6/6b08f7f9-d2bc-465c-ae76-3370ab91bce9.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
AP Photo/Amr Nabil World Video





http://analytics.apnewsregistry.com/analytics/v2/image.svc/AP/RWS/hosted.ap.org/MAI/V9579-2011-10-10T1727Z/E/prod/AT/A CAIRO (AP) -- Egypt's Coptic Christians have long felt like second-class citizens in their own country.

Now many fear that the power vacuum left after the overthrow of Hosni Mubarak is giving Muslim extremists free rein to torch churches and attack Coptic homes in the worst violence against the community in decades.

An assault Sunday night on Christians protesting over a church attack set off riots that drew in Muslims, Christians and the police. Among the 26 people left killed in the melee, most were Copts. For Coptic scholar Wassem el-Sissi, it was evidence that the Christian community in Egypt is vulnerable as never before.
"In the absence of law, you can understand how demolishing a church goes unpunished," he said. "I have not heard of anyone who got arrested or prosecuted."

Once a majority in Egypt, Copts now make up about 10 percent of the country's 85 million people. They are the largest Christian community in the Middle East. Their history dates back 19 centuries and the language used in their liturgy can be traced to the speech of Egypt's pharaohs. Proud of their history and faith, many Copts are identifiable by tattoos of crosses or Jesus Christ on their right wrists, and Coptic women do not wear the veil as the vast majority of Muslim women in Egypt do.

Under Mubarak, the problems of Copts festered even if they faced less violence than they do now. Their demands for a law to regulate construction of churches went unanswered and attacks on churches went unpunished.

Copts shared in the euphoria of the 18-day revolution that ousted Mubarak and like so many other Egyptians their hopes for change were high. Mainly, they wanted to be on equal footing with Muslims.

At Tahrir Square, the epicenter of the revolution against Mubarak, there were glimpses of a fleeting utopia where coexistence and mutual respect between Muslims and Christians was the rule. The iconic image of Christians forming a human shield around Muslim worshippers during Friday prayers to protect them from thugs and pro-Mubarak loyalists spoke volumes to the dream.

But shortly after Mubarak's ouster, a series of assaults on Christians brought home a stark reality: The fading of authoritarian rule empowered Islamist fundamentalists, known here as Salafis, who have special resentment for Christians.

While the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood has long been Egypt's best organized opposition movement, the Salafis are a new player in politics. They are ultraconservatives, close to Saudi Arabia's Wahhabi interpretation of Islam and more radical than the Brotherhood. They seek to emulate the austerity of Islam's early days and oppose a wide range of practices they view as "un-Islamic" - rejecting the treatment of non-Muslims as citizens with equal rights as well as all forms of Western cultural influence.

The Salafis persistently accuse the Copts of trying to spread Christianity in a Muslim nation, echoing Wahhabism's deep distrust and hostility of other religions.
Mubarak's regime tolerated the Salafis and they expanded in numbers and power over the years. However, after Mubarak's overthrow, they enjoyed more freedom than ever before to go after their No. 1 target - Christians.
Now rarely a month passes without a sectarian incident - a Muslim-Christian love affair or battles over constructing a church.

On Feb. 23, less than two weeks after Mubarak's ouster, a priest was found dead with several stab wounds and witnesses say masked men shouting Allahu-Akbar (God is Great) were seen leaving his apartment. The incident triggered protests in the southern city of Assiut where Christians scuffled with Muslims.

Not long after in March, a Muslim-Christian love affair led a Muslim mob to torch a church in Soul village to the south of Cairo and set it on fire. When Christians held a protest denouncing the attack on the church, they were attacked by Muslim mob wielding guns, knives and clubs. When it was done, 13 were dead and 140 injured.

The next month, thousands of protesters, most of them Islamic hard-liners and members of the Muslim Brotherhood, protested in front of the governor's office in the southern city of Qena to denounce the appointment a day earlier of a new Coptic Christian governor. In the face of the protests, the government replaced the Coptic governor.

Then in May, Islamic ultraconservatives burned a church in the working-class district of Imbaba in Cairo and clashed with Christians leaving 12 dead.
Those riots were triggered by a Christian woman who had an affair with a Muslim man. And when she disappeared, the man spread rumors that Christian clergy had snatched her and were holding her prisoner in a local church because she converted to Islam.

Then a few months passed with no attacks, until Sunday night, now known as the "bloody Sunday."

The Christians were protesting in Cairo over the events of Sept. 30 when a Muslim mob that set fire on a church in southern village of Marynab in Aswan province because they believed the Christians were illegally constructing a new church. Church officials had documents showing they had permission to build a new church to replace a previous, run-down one at the same site.

Under Mubarak-era rules, the building of a church or repairs for an existing one required permission from local authorities and the state security agency but since permission was rarely given, Christians at times resorted to building churches in secret, often in parish guesthouses.

Even before the attack, Muslim protests prompted priests to turn to security officials, who arranged a meeting with local elders and Salafis. In the face of their demands, the priests agreed to take down a cross and bells on the church, according to church officials. Still, after the Christians erected a dome, the mob attacked, setting the church and nearby homes and shops on fire.

Aswan's governor, Gen. Mustafa Kamel al-Sayyed, escalated the tensions by telling the media that the church was being built on the site of a guesthouse, suggesting it was illegal.

In response, hundreds of Christians marched in front of the governor's office last week, demanding those behind the attack be prosecuted and families who lost homes be compensated. Christians also protested in Cairo, cutting off a main avenue in the heart of the capital, demanding the governor's ouster, until soldiers dispersed them by force.

Days after the Aswan attack, Muslim villagers in the southern province of Sohag tried to storm Saint Girgis church, shouting "No to church construction," as Christians on rooftops rained stones down on them. The assault was prompted by construction of a church in a guesthouse.

On Monday, the Coptic church declared three days of morning for those killed the night before and blasted authorities for allowing repeated attacks on Christians with impunity. The statement lamented "problems that occur repeatedly and go unpunished."

Outside the Coptic Hospital in Cairo, where bodies of 17 slain protesters were brought, a Coptic woman named Iman Sanada with a small cross tattooed on her wrist, lamented the deaths and shrieked: "It's my right to live as a citizen and not a second-class citizen."
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Associated Press reporter Aya Batrawy contributed to this report from Cairo.





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Christians under siege in Indonesia





Islamic fundamentalists in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, are attacking Christians with impunity, the head of Indonesian bishops said on Tuesday during a visit to the Vatican.



“Muslim fanatics are staging violence and denying basic religious freedom and stopping the construction of places of worship and the practice of Christianity,” Martinus Dogma Situmorang told the Vatican’s l’Osservatore Romano daily.



“Alas, these incidents are being tolerated or authorities are turning a blind eye without taking any legal action because in their eyes it is less serious even though they were accompanied by violence,” Situmorang said.



Indonesia’s constitution guarantees freedom of religion but rights groups say violence against minorities including Christians and the Ahmadiyah Islamic sect has escalated since 2008.
In February, a 1,500-strong mob of Muslims set two churches alight and ransacked a third in the town of Temanggung, on Java island, as they demanded that a Christian man be sentenced to death for insulting Islam.



Situmorang said even if extremists and radicals behind these attacks were brought to justice, the “punishments accorded are not proportionate to their acts.”
He said fanaticism was on the rise but security forces appeared to have got weaker.
More than 80 percent of Indonesia’s estimated 240 million people are Muslim. Five percent are Protestants and 3 percent Catholic.



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The iconic image of Christians forming a human shield around Muslim worshippers during Friday prayers to protect them from thugs and pro-Mubarak loyalists spoke volumes to the dream.

But shortly after Mubarak's ouster, a series of assaults on Christians brought home a stark reality: The fading of authoritarian rule empowered Islamist fundamentalists, known here as Salafis, who have special resentment for Christians.



Even during the time leading up to the musulman invasions, they would feign friendship with Christians, only to turn on them at the last second.
They had the best instructors: Talmudists.




On Monday, the Coptic church declared three days of morning

Now that is a long morning!